Crysis looks overrated.

The "no better than console game" thread was closed, so I'll just say it here.

Crysis looks like a generic FPS with insane graphics. That's it.

Yes, I have read the specs, I know you have the ability to pick up just about anything that isn't a tree and use it as cover or just throw it at a target. I realize the environments are cumulatively destructable. I know you can jack up your physical traits using the specialized equipment assigned to your character. I know the aliens are super-scary and blah blah blah blah.

The point is that none of these qualities seem to overtly change the presentation mechanically aside from moving faster at times and having extraneous projectiles. Even if you can do these things, it's still just another one man vs. everyone Doom spin-off.

The reason I'm looking forward to FPSs like Black 2, Killzone, Brothers in Arms, and Jericho is because of battle simulations that involve a larger scale conflict that involves teams; three caveats being The Darkness, Condemned, and Assault on Dark Athena who's combat goes beyond your generic FPS games.

After that, the story has to be insanely good for me to go for an FPS. Haze, for example, sounds like it has a crappy story, so I could care less about that particular FPS even though it's getting this weird cult hype, which I'm still struggling to understand.

Would I go out of my way to play Crysis? Sure, but I find hardly any reason to be so excited about it as this new magical creation that's going to be 'unlike any other gaming experience ever blah blah blah.' I'll just go back to enjoying Resistance (good story).

Killzone? Resistence? Black 2? :lol:

Iwonder what baddog has to say about this.

Killzone
Pariah_001

kthxbai

IF, it were to come out on consoles, would you still say it is overrated?DDX2

How can it be overrated when it hasn't been rated yet?
reaperstoll

"Crysis looks overrated."

[QUOTE="reaperstoll"]How can it be overrated when it hasn't been rated yet?
Pariah_001

"Crysis looks overrated."

mmhmm see there is a problem with your sentence. In order to be overrated, or even look overrated, it has to be rated. If you had made it "Crysis looks like it will be overrated" then it would've made sense. Or "crysis looks underwhelming", any number of things other than what you said.

[QUOTE="WhySoCry"]*typical knee-jerk response*Pariah_001

I didn't just use PS3 exclusives you know.

Please stop acting like an irrational *i***.

And you perfer Killzone to crysis? Man, you seriously need a reality check.

tell me? are any of the games you mentioned non-linnear, and have dynamic storylines?

-I though so.

[QUOTE="reaperstoll"]How can it be overrated when it hasn't been rated yet?
Pariah_001

"Crysis looks overrated."

Be careful with that word when you talk about Crysis. :P

mmhmm see there is a problem with your sentence. In order to be overrated, or even look overrated, it has to be rated. If you had made it "Crysis looks like it will be overrated" then it would've made sense. Or "crysis looks underwhelming", any number of things other than what you said.reaperstoll

tell me? are any of the games you mentioned non-linnear, and have dynamic storylines?

-I though so.cobrax75

I'm not sure how someone such as yourself would define "dynamic storylines." We all have our own perceptions on that. However, I fail to see how the area-bubble system makes Crysis original. Like any other FPS, you're still required to carry out certain objectives in a given area.

What makes a game "generic" in your opinion?

By definition, generic would mean that it is the same as the others of its type. To me, Crysis differs from other FPS games in many ways.

You seems to brush off things like customizability and interactivity like they are meaningless additions, when they actually provide the possibility for a lot of gameplay variations.

The reason I'm looking forward to FPSs like Black 2, Killzone, Brothers in Arms, and Jericho is because of battle simulations that involve a larger scale conflict that involves teams; three caveats being The Darkness, Condemned, and Assault on Dark Athena who's combat goes beyond your generic FPS games.Pariah_001

Could you elaborate on this thought more? If you're simply talking about team based gameplay, then there will be some of that in Crysis as well. Saying that the lack of it makes the game generic is ridiculous though.

People have different tastes in games. What makes a game appealing to you may not make it as appealing to another person.

The previews so far show that most people who have gotten the chance to play Crysis have enjoyed it greatly.It would be best to wait until the game is released before you judge it and say it is "generic", especially since that is an opinion, and most people seem to disagree with you.

[QUOTE="Pariah_001"]

[QUOTE="reaperstoll"]How can it be overrated when it hasn't been rated yet?
dgsag

"Crysis looks overrated."

Be careful with that word when you talk about Crysis. :P

lol, grafix pun ftw!

I think it's overated by alot of hermits. Well that being there only worthwhile game this year they have to be happy about something.cyprus646

funny, since are "non-worthwhile" games seem to have gotten 3 AAA's already.

[QUOTE="cyprus646"]I think it's overated by alot of hermits. Well that being there only worthwhile game this year they have to be happy about something.cobrax75

funny, since are "non-worthwhile" games seem to have gotten 3 AAA's already.

I think its at 5.

[QUOTE="cyprus646"]I think it's overated by alot of hermits. Well that being there only worthwhile game this year they have to be happy about something.WhySoCry

Disregard what this maggot has to say.

I think it's overated by alot of hermits. Well that being there only worthwhile game this year they have to be happy about something.cyprus646

The only game? wow...

How many AAA games are on the wii?

You seems to brush off things like customizability and interactivity like they are meaningless additions, when they actually provide the possibility for a lot of gameplay variations.santeri_15

Again, mechanically speaking, the additional variations would be minimal. Physically interacting the environment by being able to pick things up doesn't take things far enough. Customizing weapons doesn't really do much either. In the end, you're just shooting a gun--You would have done that anyway.

Could you elaborate on this thought more? If you're simply talking about team based gameplay, then there will be some of that in Crysis as well. Saying that the lack of it makes the game generic is ridiculous though.

There's was a more specific phrase I used: One man against everyone.

That's been the same old story for close to two decades. The bulk of this game seems to be exactly that.

It's not entirely team-work that I'm looking for, it's a particular atmosphere. These devs are trying to grasp realism through highly detailed textures and yet they incorporate a story about a futuristic Rambo; a person infiltrating enemy territory who's basically an army unto himself. When you have a huge 'Call of Duty' atmosphere with a full blown skirmish, it's ridiculous to expect one man to be capable of handling the situation and still give the feeling of a real battle. I've just gotten tired of this kind of genre--I still play these games, but I don't hold them in the highest regard; Crysis will be no exception.

The other games actually have more character elements and culpability to provide such an atmosphere and gamer perception.

People have different tastes in games. What makes a game appealing to you may not make it as appealing to another person.

I never said otherwise.

The previews so far show that most people who have gotten the chance to play Crysis have enjoyed it greatly.It would be best to wait until the game is released before you judge it and say it is "generic", especially since that is an opinion, and most people seem to disagree with you.

Oh I see.

I should of known you were leading up to a "majority is god" denouement.

I think it's overated by alot of hermits. Well that being there only worthwhile game this year they have to be happy about something.cyprus646

You talk like theres something coming out on the Wii worth playing for more than 15 minutes.

[QUOTE="reaperstoll"]mmhmm see there is a problem with your sentence. In order to be overrated, or even look overrated, it has to be rated. If you had made it "Crysis looks like it will be overrated" then it would've made sense. Or "crysis looks underwhelming", any number of things other than what you said.Pariah_001

tell me? are any of the games you mentioned non-linnear, and have dynamic storylines?

-I though so.cobrax75

I'm not sure how someone such as yourself would define "dynamic storylines." We all have our own perceptions on that. However, I fail to see how the area-bubble system makes Crysis original. Like any other FPS, you're still required to carry out certain objectives in a given area.

That's not evne what he was talking about when he referred to dynamic storylines. It looks like you need to do some more reading.

incrysis.com and crysis-online.com are your friends! Enjoy!

I think it's overated by alot of hermits. Well that being there only worthwhile game this year they have to be happy about something.cyprus646

:|

[QUOTE="santeri_15"]You seems to brush off things like customizability and interactivity like they are meaningless additions, when they actually provide the possibility for a lot of gameplay variations.Pariah_001

Again, mechanically speaking, the additional variations would be minimal. Physically interacting the environment by being able to pick things up doesn't take things far enough. Customizing weapons doesn't really do much either. In the end, you're just shooting a gun--You would have done that anyway.

Could you elaborate on this thought more? If you're simply talking about team based gameplay, then there will be some of that in Crysis as well. Saying that the lack of it makes the game generic is ridiculous though.

There's was a more specific phrase I used: One man against everyone.

That's been the same old story for close to two decades. The bulk of this game seems to be exactly that.

It's not entirely team-work that I'm looking for, it's a particular atmosphere. These devs are trying to grasp realism through highly detailed textures and yet they incorporate a story about a futuristic Rambo; a person infiltrating enemy territory who's basically an army unto himself. When you have a huge 'Call of Duty' atmosphere with a full blown skirmish, it's ridiculous to expect one man to be capable of handling the situation and still give the feeling of a real battle. I've just gotten tired of this kind of genre--I still play these games, but I don't hold them in the highest regard; Crysis will be no exception.

The other games actually have more character elements and culpability to provide such an atmosphere and gamer perception.

People have different tastes in games. What makes a game appealing to you may not make it as appealing to another person.

I never said otherwise.

The previews so far show that most people who have gotten the chance to play Crysis have enjoyed it greatly.It would be best to wait until the game is released before you judge it and say it is "generic", especially since that is an opinion, and most people seem to disagree with you.

Oh I see.

I should of known you were leading up to a "majority is god" denouement.

If you want squad-based FPS's, go play something else. Just because this isn't a squad based FPS doesn't mean it's "TEH GENERIX LOLZ". Sersiously, you lost all credibility when you mention Black 2 and Killzone. What a joke.

I already know what he means in the context of Crysis. I play RPGs and a lot of developers use the term "dynamic." That doesn't mean everyone buys it.

For example: The developers who made Oblivion said it had a "dynamic" storyline when it was simply a matter of picking and choosing guilds.

Pariah, I supposed God of War is overated becausse it was one man fighting gods and demi-god and an army's worth of enemies. But you certainly seemed to enjoy it.

Hell even Black, which was practically devoid of story was something you enjoyed. So because crysis has a more intricate story than these games, its an overrated title? How retarded of an argument is that.

I already know what he means in the context of Crysis. I play RPGs and a lot of developers use the term "dynamic." That doesn't mean everyone buys it.

For example: The developers who made Oblivion said it had a "dynamic" storyline when it was simply a matter of picking and choosing guilds.

Pariah_001

But you still need to kill the boss at the end?

If you want squad-based FPS's, go play something else.trix5817

I do.

Just because this isn't a squad based FPS doesn't mean it's "TEH GENERIX LOLZ". Sersiously, you lost all credibility when you mention Black 2 and Killzone. What a joke.

I'm sure you like to think so.

so your saying the PC version of Farcry was a generic shooter?

Because thats just dumb...and anyone who played the PC version will agree, that it was nothing like any other shooter.

Pariah, I supposed God of War is overated becausse it was one man fighting gods and demi-god and an army's worth of enemies. But you certainly seemed to enjoy it.

Hell even Black, which was practically devoid of story was something you enjoyed. So because crysis has a more intricate story than these games, its an overrated title? How retarded of an argument is that.XaosII

God of War isn't a first person that was meant to be down to earth. It, furthermore, is an excellent testament to modern day allegories.

Black was never hyped the way Crysis is now so it can't really be called "overrated." Aside from putting more emphasis on destructability than most other games at the time, it was indeed generic--I have no problem admitting that (I heard somewhere that Black 2 was going to have more skirmish interaction however). Please to note that this is not a crusade against generic shooters, I'm just trying to put Crysis into the context that people don't seem to want to admit it's in.

Maybe it is, maybe it isn't. Generic shooters can still be fun; I'm just not attracted to them.

so your saying the PC version of Farcry was a generic shooter?

Because thats just dumb...and anyone who played the PC version will agree, that it was nothing like any other shooter.cobrax75

I have never looked into FarCry's mechanics let alone played it, so I don't have an opinion.

Maybe it is, maybe it isn't. Generic shooters can still be fun; I'm just attracted to them.

[QUOTE="cobrax75"]so your saying the PC version of Farcry was a generic shooter?

Because thats just dumb...and anyone who played the PC version will agree, that it was nothing like any other shooter.Pariah_001

I have never looked into FarCry's mechanics let alone played it, so I don't have an opinion.

then look into it....at least read the PC review....then you will see how "generic" it is....

[QUOTE="XaosII"]Pariah, I supposed God of War is overated becausse it was one man fighting gods and demi-god and an army's worth of enemies. But you certainly seemed to enjoy it.

Hell even Black, which was practically devoid of story was something you enjoyed. So because crysis has a more intricate story than these games, its an overrated title? How retarded of an argument is that.Pariah_001

God of War isn't a first person that was meant to be down to earth. It, furthermore, is an excellent testament to modern day allegories.

Black was never hyped the way Crysis is now so it can't really be called "overrated." Aside from putting more emphasis on destructability than most other games at the time, it was indeed generic--I have no problem admitting that (I heard somewhere that Black 2 was going to have more skirmish interaction however). Please to note that this is not a crusade against generic shooters, I'm just trying to put Crysis into the context that people don't seem to want to admit it's in.

Yet regardless of whether you consider Crysis generic or shallow, changes nothing about the gameplay - case-in-point: God of War and Black. Im not sure how you could consider Crysis down to earth with the heavy sci-fi elements it has in it..... I would have thought that invading aliens would qualify for that.

If anything, despite your claims its still being talked about quite well, not just on its graphics. That means that even for its faults of story, its doing quite well. Far Cry was still a AAA title.

The "no better than console game" thread was closed, so I'll just say it here.

Crysis looks like a generic FPS with insane graphics. That's it.

Yes, I have read the specs, I know you have the ability to pick up just about anything that isn't a tree and use it as cover or just throw it at a target. I realize the environments are cumulatively destructable. I know you can jack up your physical traits using the specialized equipment assigned to your character. I know the aliens are super-scary and blah blah blah blah.

The point is that none of these qualities seem to overtly change the presentation mechanically aside from moving faster at times and having extraneous projectiles. Even if you can do these things, it's still just another one man vs. everyone Doom spin-off.

The reason I'm looking forward to FPSs like Black 2, Killzone, Brothers in Arms, and Jericho is because of battle simulations that involve a larger scale conflict that involves teams; three caveats being The Darkness, Condemned, and Assault on Dark Athena who's combat goes beyond your generic FPS games.

After that, the story has to be insanely good for me to go for an FPS. Haze, for example, sounds like it has a crappy story, so I could care less about that particular FPS even though it's getting this weird cult hype, which I'm still struggling to understand.

Would I go out of my way to play Crysis? Sure, but I find hardly any reason to be so excited about it as this new magical creation that's going to be 'unlike any other gaming experience ever blah blah blah.' I'll just go back to enjoying Resistance (good story).

Pariah_001

I already know what he means in the context of Crysis. I play RPGs and a lot of developers use the term "dynamic." That doesn't mean everyone buys it.

For example: The developers who made Oblivion said it had a "dynamic" storyline when it was simply a matter of picking and choosing guilds.

Pariah_001

No, that's not what they mean. Crytek has explained what their doing with the dynmaic storyline. Read. I'm not going to do it for you.

FarCry is not the issue here. I don't care about the developer's previous endeavors. I'm talking about the fallacy I'm witnessing right now.
Pariah_001

Crysis is very similar to Farcry...In fact...It builds on what made Farcry so original and great....

what made Farcry so great?

the fact that it was an open ended game. Objectives could be approached in an endless number of ways and directions...you could not only choose from the countless paths to take to your route, but you could also choose how you wanted to approach it. You could run and gun right through the enemy base...or you could go prone and sneak through the long grass, and approach the objective silently.

and the excellent enemy AI also helped a ton.

[QUOTE="trix5817"]If you want squad-based FPS's, go play something else.Pariah_001

I do.

Just because this isn't a squad based FPS doesn't mean it's "TEH GENERIX LOLZ". Sersiously, you lost all credibility when you mention Black 2 and Killzone. What a joke.

I'm sure you like to think so.

Wow, what a compelling arguement. So, just because you don't like a certain type of FPS means that it's "generic"? Please explain......

Yet regardless of whether you consider Crysis generic or shallow, changes nothing about the gameplay - case-in-point: God of War and Black.XaosII

I've already given you explanation in accordance with those games. Until you decide to call it out, don't bother mentioning them as a contradiction to my feelings.

Im not sure how you could consider Crysis down to earth with the heavy sci-fi elements it has in it..... I would have thought that invading aliens would qualify for that.

I'm talking about the physics, environment, and interaction. Even if the developer's aren't staying absolutely true to reality, there's still trying to make a slippery slope argument using the game's setting: If there were such a scenario taking place, then such and such would happen. They still have to deal with the hurdle of interacting with the Koreans; obviously you don't play an invincible character, otherwise you wouldn't have much need for sneaking. So having huge fire-fights with them as well as aliean lifeforms just doesn't mesh well with an emulation of reality.

If anything, despite your claims its still being talked about quite well, not just on its graphics. That means that even for its faults of story, its doing quite well.

Yes, I'm aware of this. That's why this thread's here.

Far Cry was still a AAA title.

Again, I'm not talking about FarCry. It may or may not have left the realm of generic shooter or perhaps it was just a generic shooter that was particularly fun--I don't know. The point is that Crysis doesn't give such an indication.

Maybe it is, maybe it isn't. Generic shooters can still be fun; I'm just not attracted to them.

[QUOTE="cobrax75"]so your saying the PC version of Farcry was a generic shooter?

Because thats just dumb...and anyone who played the PC version will agree, that it was nothing like any other shooter.Pariah_001

I have never looked into FarCry's mechanics let alone played it, so I don't have an opinion.

Wow.........

FarCry is not the issue here. I don't care about the developer's previous endeavors. I'm talking about the fallacy I'm witnessing right now.
Pariah_001

FarCry and Crysis are very similar....