Crytek (Cevat Yerli) - "Engines are bound to console cycles."

Well nothing has yet matched Crysis, so id like to see all games looking as good as Crysis before i worry about games looking better than Crysis.

This is good news for everyone. There will always be that one PC game that pushes the bar in terms of visuals but knowing you can play 99.99999999999% of new games for so much time is a great thing! It's also one less argument consolities can use against the PC :)

This is good news for everyone.

Espada12

Consoles holding back the industry is not good news :|

I'd prefer more scalable engines instead.

Games today are increasingly lowest common denominator limited, consoles are the lowest common denominator.

I expect console users will try to spin it into consoles being favoured over PC gaming, while that is the case it isn't for the reasons they will likely think they are. Being the lowest common denominator among targeted gaming hardware isn't exactly something you want to boast about.

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This is good news for everyone.

The__Havoc

Consoles holding back the industry is not good news :|

I'd prefer more scalable engines instead.

How are they holding back the industry exactly?

How are they holding back the industry exactly?

Espada12

Well in what way are they pushing it forward?

Their fixed hardware is forcing a standard of graphics that has pushed game development costs beyond breaking point, tearing apart the traditional console operation models and forcing them to look for new ways to compete. This greater cost forced developers cross platform, which makes them have to accommodate the lowest common denominator hardware of each platform. This is pulling progress backwards, such as the case of Crysis losing its open environment game play to accommodate consoles memory limitations.

PC offers greater hardware but it doesn't have fixed hardware, it has no fixed standards, so in effect consoles are responsible for the current stake of the games industry.

I can't believe the LACK of RAGE from this news. No one is talking about it in the PC forums, no one is talking about it here. He just openly admitted that they are effected by consoles. Have Hermits lost faith in Crytek before this?Nerkcon

Nothing new really, every PC gamer knows that consoles do hold back game engine since most of them are designed with consoles in mind. Only game engines designed for PC's can push the limits of hardware currently available. Even crysis when it came out for PC's was a beast but now it's not anymore, mainstream GPU can play at high settings quite easily.

In September this year ATI will release next-gen GPU the 5000 series and they will walk all over crysis. I don't think there will be alot of games that will push the ATI 5000 series until next-gen consoles arrive. Only ones I can think of is Crysis 2, Doom 4 and maybe Stalker.

I didn't vote becuase you left out one option. I don't care. Really, games are fine today. We don't need a new updated graphics engine every year.

[QUOTE="Nerkcon"]I can't believe the LACK of RAGE from this news. No one is talking about it in the PC forums, no one is talking about it here. He just openly admitted that they are effected by consoles. Have Hermits lost faith in Crytek before this?dakan45

[QUOTE="dakan45"][QUOTE="Nerkcon"]I can't believe the LACK of RAGE from this news. No one is talking about it in the PC forums, no one is talking about it here. He just openly admitted that they are effected by consoles. Have Hermits lost faith in Crytek before this?Nerkcon

with all that crap thrown to us pc gamers...and all those developers focusing on consoles, i never doubt that crytek will also pursue the console moneymaking... But anyway i wanna see how diffient the console and pc versions will look and how diffirent and dumbed down the gameplay will be in the consoles. Now i know there are people that are like: "crytek are gods and wont forshake us" But i thought the same for iron storm and then.... they made deus ex invisible war.... :cry: so i can predict that there is a high chance that crysis 2 wont look amazingly better than the console versions and the gameplay will be very dumbed down.... :Ddakan45

Dumbing down the "gameplay" is obviously going to happen. Damn imagine playing at Painkiller and Quake 3 like speeds with a joypad. That would be insane and almost impossible without like spending a few days mastering it. amirite or amirite? Its the inevitable future. Crytek is just one of the many once considered PC exclusive game developers that are soon to fall to the so called "evils" of console gaming, or so the macho elitist PC gamers say :roll:

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This is good news for everyone.

The__Havoc

Consoles holding back the industry is not good news :|

I'd prefer more scalable engines instead.

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This is good news for everyone.

clubsammich91

Consoles holding back the industry is not good news :|

I'd prefer more scalable engines instead.

I say put it on the PC AND the Consoles.

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Consoles holding back the industry is not good news :|

I'd prefer more scalable engines instead.

Phoenix534

I say put it on the PC AND the Consoles.

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[QUOTE="clubsammich91"] I said it in one thread and I will say it again. Console gaming is the industry now. If I were a PC centric company I'd rather have my product be played by many instead of a select few with the high enough PC specs to run it. clubsammich91

I say put it on the PC AND the Consoles.

And that's a good thing. It'll get the game to more people and the developers will make more money.

Wow people play game on PCs?

in seriousness though, i never got into pc gaming and much prefer a console

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How are they holding back the industry exactly?

AnnoyedDragon

Well in what way are they pushing it forward?

Their fixed hardware is forcing a standard of graphics that has pushed game development costs beyond breaking point, tearing apart the traditional console operation models and forcing them to look for new ways to compete. This greater cost forced developers cross platform, which makes them have to accommodate the lowest common denominator hardware of each platform. This is pulling progress backwards, such as the case of Crysis losing its open environment game play to accommodate consoles memory limitations.

PC offers greater hardware but it doesn't have fixed hardware, it has no fixed standards, so in effect consoles are responsible for the current stake of the games industry.

Oh I never said consoles were pushing gaming foward, this is almost never the case with the majority of genres, what I am saying is that they aren't holding it back either.

No offence TC but when people make threads like these why does the poll always neglect a significant portion of peoples opinions and have about 3 useless options?

I would have said "It's a good thing; it sets the standard for raising the bar"... It sets a mold... PC gamers should think of it as a good thing; it makes for a predictable curve of evolution in hardware and software.

Uh oh, now maybe Crytek will make a good game instead of a generic game with the best graphics ever.

Uh oh, now maybe Crytek will make a good game instead of a generic game with the best graphics ever.

falconclan

I know I'm probably just feeding but what is generic about crysis?

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Uh oh, now maybe Crytek will make a good game instead of a generic game with the best graphics ever.

Espada12

I know I'm probably just feeding but what is generic about crysis?

The fact that it's open world. You see, a game has to be extremely linear to be innovative.

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Uh oh, now maybe Crytek will make a good game instead of a generic game with the best graphics ever.

Espada12

I know I'm probably just feeding but what is generic about crysis?

[QUOTE="dakan45"]with all that crap thrown to us pc gamers...and all those developers focusing on consoles, i never doubt that crytek will also pursue the console moneymaking... But anyway i wanna see how diffient the console and pc versions will look and how diffirent and dumbed down the gameplay will be in the consoles. Now i know there are people that are like: "crytek are gods and wont forshake us" But i thought the same for iron storm and then.... they made deus ex invisible war.... :cry: so i can predict that there is a high chance that crysis 2 wont look amazingly better than the console versions and the gameplay will be very dumbed down.... :DKimbo_Slyce

Dumbing down the "gameplay" is obviously going to happen. Damn imagine playing at Painkiller and Quake 3 like speeds with a joypad. That would be insane and almost impossible without like spending a few days mastering it. amirite or amirite? Its the inevitable future. Crytek is just one of the many once considered PC exclusive game developers that are soon to fall to the so called "evils" of console gaming, or so the macho elitist PC gamers say :roll:

The consoles are going to ruin this game's graphics no matter how you try to spin in into your favor. Deal with it, consoles have outdated tech.

Average PC specs are about equal to console specs, so naturally it would make sense to appeal to the majority of gamers as opposed to the minority(i.e. the ones with at least 8800GT level gpus).

I'm glad he thinks this gen will only last til 2012. That's actually a little too long imo.

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[QUOTE="dakan45"]with all that crap thrown to us pc gamers...and all those developers focusing on consoles, i never doubt that crytek will also pursue the console moneymaking... But anyway i wanna see how diffient the console and pc versions will look and how diffirent and dumbed down the gameplay will be in the consoles. Now i know there are people that are like: "crytek are gods and wont forshake us" But i thought the same for iron storm and then.... they made deus ex invisible war.... :cry: so i can predict that there is a high chance that crysis 2 wont look amazingly better than the console versions and the gameplay will be very dumbed down.... :DHanass

Dumbing down the "gameplay" is obviously going to happen. Damn imagine playing at Painkiller and Quake 3 like speeds with a joypad. That would be insane and almost impossible without like spending a few days mastering it. amirite or amirite? Its the inevitable future. Crytek is just one of the many once considered PC exclusive game developers that are soon to fall to the so called "evils" of console gaming, or so the macho elitist PC gamers say :roll:

The consoles are going to ruin this game's graphics no matter how you try to spin in into your favor. Deal with it, consoles have outdated tech.

Why would that affect development of the PC version (all the while Crytek being one of the most competent developers out there)?

I think you have misunderstood the concept of a scalable engine if you think it will be "dumbed down"; if used efficiently there is no reason for the PC version to look downgraded.

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[QUOTE="Kimbo_Slyce"]Oh hai this thread is full of good examples of the typical PC gamer on these forums; acting and talking as if they're the gaming god's gift to Earth. :roll::roll::roll::roll::roll::roll::roll::roll:

Dumbing down the "gameplay" is obviously going to happen. Damn imagine playing at Painkiller and Quake 3 like speeds with a joypad. That would be insane and almost impossible without like spending a few days mastering it. amirite or amirite? Its the inevitable future. Crytek is just one of the many once considered PC exclusive game developers that are soon to fall to the so called "evils" of console gaming, or so the macho elitist PC gamers say :roll:

Leejjohno

The consoles are going to ruin this game's graphics no matter how you try to spin in into your favor. Deal with it, consoles have outdated tech.

Why would that affect development of the PC version (all the while Crytek being one of the most competent developers out there)?

I think you have misunderstood the concept of a scalable engine if you think it will be "dumbed down"; if used efficiently there is no reason for the PC version to look downgraded.

I meant that the console version will be "dumbed down", because this guy thinks that consoles are able to produce the same graphics as PC's. Consolites can keep calling PC gamers elitists though, it just makes you look stupid because PC gamers hardly ever talk in SW.

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[QUOTE="Hanass"]

The consoles are going to ruin this game's graphics no matter how you try to spin in into your favor. Deal with it, consoles have outdated tech.

Hanass

Why would that affect development of the PC version (all the while Crytek being one of the most competent developers out there)?

I think you have misunderstood the concept of a scalable engine if you think it will be "dumbed down"; if used efficiently there is no reason for the PC version to look downgraded.

I meant that the console version will be "dumbed down", because this guy thinks that consoles are able to produce the same graphics as PC's. Consolites can keep calling PC gamers elitists though, it just makes you look stupid because PC gamers hardly ever talk in SW.

It won't be downgraded on PCs so who cares, even if the graphics are slightly downgraded, is it really a big deal?

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Why would that affect development of the PC version (all the while Crytek being one of the most competent developers out there)?

I think you have misunderstood the concept of a scalable engine if you think it will be "dumbed down"; if used efficiently there is no reason for the PC version to look downgraded.

Threebabycows

I meant that the console version will be "dumbed down", because this guy thinks that consoles are able to produce the same graphics as PC's. Consolites can keep calling PC gamers elitists though, it just makes you look stupid because PC gamers hardly ever talk in SW.

It won't be downgraded on PCs so who cares, even if the graphics are slightly downgraded, is it really a big deal?

I never said I cared nor that it was a big deal.

It won't be downgraded on PCs so who cares, even if the graphics are slightly downgraded, is it really a big deal?

Threebabycows

Only it will be downgraded for PCs, that's a given.

To accommodate consoles memory limitations they would have to convert it to cell streaming, which of course makes Crysis's trademark open environment game play no longer work.

Crysis couldn't be ported to consoles because of the way its game play was designed, Crytek themselves have stated that repeatedly. That it is now coming to consoles can only mean that aspect of its game play has been removed.

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[QUOTE="Hanass"]

The consoles are going to ruin this game's graphics no matter how you try to spin in into your favor. Deal with it, consoles have outdated tech.

Hanass

Why would that affect development of the PC version (all the while Crytek being one of the most competent developers out there)?

I think you have misunderstood the concept of a scalable engine if you think it will be "dumbed down"; if used efficiently there is no reason for the PC version to look downgraded.

I meant that the console version will be "dumbed down", because this guy thinks that consoles are able to produce the same graphics as PC's. Consolites can keep calling PC gamers elitists though, it just makes you look stupid because PC gamers hardly ever talk in SW.

Okay, I see...

I haven't been saying anything to generalise about PC gamers though, but that doesn't stop the issue that there are one or two of them around here that seem to have a condescending tone.

Don't blame the consoles for just being an OPTION for a PC developer, you should blame all the PC pirates that are forcing all the PC devs onto consoles.

Terrible poll. Where the option for idc it's still a very impressive engine and I'm sure they can squeeze out more out of it in the upcoming years?

Don't blame the consoles for just being an OPTION for a PC developer, you should blame all the PC pirates that are forcing all the PC devs onto consoles.

Giant_Panda

Piracy has existed for decades, it isn't what forced developers cross platform; and note I said "developers" and not "PC developers". There are just as many console companies reaching out for PC as PC developers going cross platform, if not more.

Do you want to know what has caused all the developers to go cross platform? Well I'll let Sony explain that.

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[QUOTE="dakan45"]with all that crap thrown to us pc gamers...and all those developers focusing on consoles, i never doubt that crytek will also pursue the console moneymaking... But anyway i wanna see how diffient the console and pc versions will look and how diffirent and dumbed down the gameplay will be in the consoles. Now i know there are people that are like: "crytek are gods and wont forshake us" But i thought the same for iron storm and then.... they made deus ex invisible war.... :cry: so i can predict that there is a high chance that crysis 2 wont look amazingly better than the console versions and the gameplay will be very dumbed down.... :DHanass

Dumbing down the "gameplay" is obviously going to happen. Damn imagine playing at Painkiller and Quake 3 like speeds with a joypad. That would be insane and almost impossible without like spending a few days mastering it. amirite or amirite? Its the inevitable future. Crytek is just one of the many once considered PC exclusive game developers that are soon to fall to the so called "evils" of console gaming, or so the macho elitist PC gamers say :roll:

The consoles are going to ruin this game's graphics no matter how you try to spin in into your favor. Deal with it, consoles have outdated tech.

Really? consoles are that bad in the graphics department? Sure the graphics on an average gaming PC are better than that of consoles, but it isn't such a huge difference that it's worth complaining about. I don't know why PC gamers are getting so mad just because they have to share the Crysis sequel with the consoles. Suck it up and enjoy the game. clubsammich91

I don't even think this is the case, currently there are supposed to be different teams for the console and PC modifying the experience for each platform, unless that's changed it will be unlike that crytek lowers that their visuals for the sake of consoles.

Where is the option: "I don't care"?funked_up

Its the X symbol in the top right hand corner.

I agree with Cevat Yerli completely. I've always felt that middleware in general has been held back by console gaming. This coming from a console gamer.

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[QUOTE="Kimbo_Slyce"]Oh hai this thread is full of good examples of the typical PC gamer on these forums; acting and talking as if they're the gaming god's gift to Earth. :roll::roll::roll::roll::roll::roll::roll::roll:

Dumbing down the "gameplay" is obviously going to happen. Damn imagine playing at Painkiller and Quake 3 like speeds with a joypad. That would be insane and almost impossible without like spending a few days mastering it. amirite or amirite? Its the inevitable future. Crytek is just one of the many once considered PC exclusive game developers that are soon to fall to the so called "evils" of console gaming, or so the macho elitist PC gamers say :roll:

clubsammich91

The consoles are going to ruin this game's graphics no matter how you try to spin in into your favor. Deal with it, consoles have outdated tech.

I wish that were true, but sadly the consoles' hardware won't allow it.

You know what? Who cares how good Crysis looks. It's not financially feasible for most devs to produce games at Crysis' level.

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How are they holding back the industry exactly?

AnnoyedDragon

Well in what way are they pushing it forward?

Their fixed hardware is forcing a standard of graphics that has pushed game development costs beyond breaking point,

This is pulling progress backwards, such as the case of Crysis losing its open environment game play to accommodate consoles memory limitations.

1.) I dont think that you want to push it too far foward.

2.) I dont understand how having a set standard for console graphics could push development costs to a breaking point. I mean there is a limit to what they can do. Unless you are talking about how it makes developers find how to push more and more out of the system by taking the back alleys through the hardware, which i understand would take money. Explain.

3.) Like I said with #1, you dont want to push it too far forward.