Crytek... Stupidity or laziness?

They should make it on the PS3 as 360 cant handle it. Im pretty sure the PS3 can do it on medium-high specs. Crytek are lazy yes, and very ignorant. The game they spent millions on didnt even sell on the PC everybody just pirated it. Why do they so desperately want to keep PC gaming alive even though its not profitable?Ultra-Fatality

I bought it... I must be crazy.

[QUOTE="AdrianWerner"][QUOTE="GioVela2010"]

They are not dumb,  that's why they will release Crysis 1.1 on the next Xbox's launch.

Hermits are just beta testing for us. 

GioVela2010

Really?  What graphics card is running Crysis Maxed out @ 1080p, 4xAA and 60FPS?  

There I go again,  I've said too much :?

2 4870x2 in crossfire. In a year a single high end card either from nvidia or ati. In 2 years a medium end graphics card and in 3-4 years when the new consoles come out  a low end less than a $100 video card

[QUOTE="GioVela2010"]

 

That's interesting Bebi considering it takes a QX9770 @ 4.8GHz, 3 Overclocked GTX 280''s in 3 way SLi, and 4GB G.Skill 1.64GHz CL7 all water cooled to achieve :

 

 

Richard7666

LOL give me a break. I get that on my Athlon 3800 X2, 1gig RAM, and nVidia 7600GT (albeit only at 1024x786, and a lower framerate). But what is that, medium? Stop your trolling Crysis crusade, it's becoming ridiculous.

Good lord,  how is DX9 1024x768 High Settings remotely close  to DX10 Max Settings at 1920x1200?   Hermkids these days...

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[QUOTE="Bebi_vegeta"]

You don't understand that PC has better hardware ?

Bebi_vegeta

At launch?  What GPU was better than Xenos was at launch? 

7800 GTX wich was released atleast a good 6 months before.

That's arguable considering 360 runs Bioshock, DiRT, and many other games better than a 7800 GTX

[QUOTE="Richard7666"][QUOTE="GioVela2010"]

 

That's interesting Bebi considering it takes a QX9770 @ 4.8GHz, 3 Overclocked GTX 280''s in 3 way SLi, and 4GB G.Skill 1.64GHz CL7 all water cooled to achieve :

 

 

GioVela2010

LOL give me a break. I get that on my Athlon 3800 X2, 1gig RAM, and nVidia 7600GT (albeit only at 1024x786, and a lower framerate). But what is that, medium? Stop your trolling Crysis crusade, it's becoming ridiculous.

Good lord,  how is DX9 1024x768 High Settings remotely close  to DX10 Max Settings at 1920x1200?   Hermkids these days...

With no console port of the game it leaves me to one of question is Crytek stupid or just plain lazy? You got millions of console owners willing to easily give you $60 for a decent port of the game. Is it that hard to make the game for consoles? Is it not a wise move to make the game for consoles to make millions more? I don't anyone is paying to have the game be exclusive for PC but I'm pretty sure Crytek just doesn't like consoles. This is pretty much the only game that I want that PS3/360 doesn't have. Dick_Derringer

You realize that what makes Crysis unique would be lost in a simple port? It's amazing visual presentation and flexible control system can't be done on consoles.

Crytek sold because:

A) best looking game ever

can not be acheived on inferior hardware to a similar extent

B) it had investment in it to push hardware sales

don't know if you've noticed but you can't go out and buy an upgraded GPU for your 360 or PS3

C) Its awesome on PC

PC shooters loose their soul when ported, it'd recieve DG in scores and no attention in the media

D) RAM

PS3 and 360 games have the draw distance of a Goldfish's vision.  With so many textures you'd be lucky to see 3 ft in front of you on a machine like the current gen HD consoles, texture pop in FTF (for the fail)

its not crytek but ms and sony's stupiedness off only putting in 512mb total ram (crysis needs 1.5gb just to run on minium.  if you want big open games with no resporning you need much more than 512mb total ram, console makers just seem to be really dumb by the way every gen they put in over powered chips for the amount of ram (ram is dirt cheap)imprezawrx500

crysis uses 1.5gbs of ram so no even if their was a port it would be dimmed down alot and have u seen crysis on anything lower then very high it looks horriblekemar7856

ya but ps3 and 360 dont have as much background things running like a computer so it doesnt need as much ram 

It has been said repeatedly since launch that Crysis was designed to be PC native and cannot scale to console memory capacity.

What is so difficult to understand about that? So difficult that some console users still don't get it to this day? Then after they have been repeatedly reminded someone sooner or later will deny caring about a port in the first place, sheesh.

If they redesigned the game to run on consoles it would loose everything that made it appealing in the first place, a port is pointless.

ya but ps3 and 360 dont have as much background things running like a computer so it doesnt need as much ram 

Snake_raider

The average gaming ready computer has 1.5-2GB ram, that's three to four times console capacity not including Vram. How much memory do you think those background processes use?

[QUOTE="Snake_raider"]

ya but ps3 and 360 dont have as much background things running like a computer so it doesnt need as much ram

AnnoyedDragon

The average gaming ready computer has 1.5-2GB ram, that's three to four times console capacity not including Vram. How much memory do you think those background processes use?

Currently on my PC (2GB crucial blaster ram) with 32 processes on windows XP the usage is 33%.I can only imagine what Vista will reuqire.

And btw pipelines can be re designed for smaller memory bandwidths..Ubisoft managed to port Dunia on next gen consoles.

ya but ps3 and 360 dont have as much background things running like a computer so it doesnt need as much ram  Snake_raider

Did you miss this post, which you actually quoted?

crysis uses 1.5gbs of ram so no even if their was a port it would be dimmed down alot and have u seen crysis on anything lower then very high it looks horriblekemar7856

Regardless of additional use from the OS and other processes, Crysis alone uses 1.25-1.5 gigs of RAM.  Neither the 360, nor the PS3 have that much RAM.

Currently on my PC (2GB crucial blaster ram) with 32 processes on windows XP the usage is 33%.I can only imagine what Vista will reuqire.

And btw pipelines can be re designed for smaller memory bandwidths..Ubisoft managed to port Dunia on next gen consoles.

devil_han

30% usage of 2GB? What on Earth do you have running in the background?

Anyway you cannot simply say game X did it so therefore game Y can, not all games are built the same. Dunia was built by Ubisoft who are primarily a cross platform company, the engine was built to run on all platforms and Far Cry 2 utilizes different streaming technology than Crysis.

Look at Far Cry 1, that game had to be completely redesigned before it would run on consoles. Crysis is in the same boat, you cannot reduce the memory usage without changing the level design and game play.

They are not dumb, that's why they will release Crysis 1.1 on the next Xbox's launch.

Hermits are just beta testing for us.

GioVela2010

ROFL, enjoy paying $70 for a game that will be in the $10 bargain bin for us.

[QUOTE="devil_han"]

Currently on my PC (2GB crucial blaster ram) with 32 processes on windows XP the usage is 33%.I can only imagine what Vista will reuqire.

And btw pipelines can be re designed for smaller memory bandwidths..Ubisoft managed to port Dunia on next gen consoles.

AnnoyedDragon

30% usage of 2GB? What on Earth do you have running in the background?

Anyway you cannot simply say game X did it so therefore game Y can, not all games are built the same. Dunia was built by Ubisoft who are primarily a cross platform company, the engine was built to run on all platforms and Far Cry 2 utilizes different streaming technology than Crysis.

Look at Far Cry 1, that game had to be completely redesigned before it would run on consoles. Crysis is in the same boat, you cannot reduce the memory usage without changing the level design and game play.

Yup that is true.They would have to redesign the whole engine to run cryengine 2 on consoles.Meh,i think they can manage that and i am pretty sure we`ill be seeing a Crysis on consoles next year.

a bad attempt at a spin off thread fro mthe valve thread.

instant FAIL

Yup that is true.They would have to redesign the whole engine to run cryengine 2 on consoles.Meh,i think they can manage that and i am pretty sure we`ill be seeing a Crysis on consoles next year.

devil_han

I don't think you have quite understood what I said, it has nothing to do with the engine.

Ok there are multiple ways you can handle memory loading in a game, two of which are streaming and full load (not exact terms). When you stream something you load a variable number of cells surrounding the player to simulate a large seamless environment, you can create entire continents with no loading screens this way. The other way you sit in a loading screen while the entire/significant portion of the level gets dumped into your memory, this can also be combined with streaming.

Crysis uses the second method and then some of the first, it dumps the level into your memory then streams some bits as you move around. The size of the level that gets dumped into memory, that was built around PC memory amounts. Unlike cell streaming you cannot scale the number of cells loaded to your memory amount.

The only way to reduce the memory usage to fit the levels onto consoles is to change the level, either shrink it to fit in console memory amounts or convert it to streaming. Either way it changes how the levels are set up, how the levels look and how the game is played.

It wouldn't be Crysis, it would be like Far Cry Instincts.

crytek needs to stop hermits from having to get a mortgage to pay for the PC specs needed to play there damn games-Mad_Rhetoric-

8800gt plays it on high with 20fps up until the snow parts of the game and beyond where it get's fairly heavy.

[QUOTE="Bebi_vegeta"][QUOTE="GioVela2010"]

 

 

At launch?  What GPU was better than Xenos was at launch? 

GioVela2010

7800 GTX wich was released atleast a good 6 months before.

That's arguable considering 360 runs Bioshock, DiRT, and many other games better than a 7800 GTX

Optimised VS Scalable is the reason for that. 

It's not Crytek's fault that the current-gen consoles don't have the RAM required to run Crysis properly.

Even counting the RAM use by background programs and the Operating System where a console minimizes RAM consumption, it's still not enough.

aliblabla2007

Then how would you explain some of the PC games needing at least 1GB (2GB on Vista) to run while X-box 360 does it smoothly with 512MB ram?

Then how would you explain some of the PC games needing at least 1GB (2GB on Vista) to run while X-box 360 does it smoothly with 512MB ram? Supafly1

What does a console to PC port using more memory have to do with Crysis not running on consoles?

There are performance gains to using more memory, many people tweak games to use more memory on purpose for these gains (e.g. Gamebryo Engine). Again Crysis is a PC native game specifically designed for very large environments, because a game on console can be made in less memory than the same game on PC; is not evidence that Crysis can be optimised to run on consoles.

Again it is not a case of X game can do it so Y can also, different games have different designs.

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[QUOTE="Bebi_vegeta"]

You don't understand that PC has better hardware ?

Ztxl

At launch? What GPU was better than Xenos was at launch?

The X1800xt released 1 or 2 months before the Xenos. the specs are the same (TMU's, ROP's), the Xenos just had slightly lower clocks.

Your on a pc to post these messages, it will only cost you a few hundred to upgrade, maybe less depending on what you already own. It doesn't cost that much.  I upgraded in 2006 and its now 2008 almost 2009 and I can still max out all pc games.  All you need is an geforce 8800 or higher a core2 cpu and 2gb+ ram, and your good to go.  You can get all that for the price of the 360.

And pc can do so much more then just play games. its really worth it.  If you can't afford it, get a freakn job. It doesn't take long to save up a few hundred...people need to learn how to upgrade themselves and not buy from dell....I hate the idiots who say it costs $2000+ for a good pc, it doesn't you can build one yourself or upgrade for cheap, and can buy a new one that will play crysis warhead for $700

Your on a pc to post these messages, it will only cost you a few hundred to upgrade, maybe less depending on what you already own. It doesn't cost that much.  I upgraded in 2006 and its now 2008 almost 2009 and I can still max out all pc games.  All you need is an geforce 8800 or higher a core2 cpu and 2gb+ ram, and your good to go.  You can get all that for the price of the 360.

And pc can do so much more then just play games. its really worth it.  If you can't afford it, get a freakn job. It doesn't take long to save up a few hundred...people need to learn how to upgrade themselves and not buy from dell....I hate the idiots who say it costs $2000+ for a good pc, it doesn't you can build one yourself or upgrade for cheap, and can buy a new one that will play crysis warhead for $700

world69star69

I'm on a laptop watching the NFL in HD on my couch. 8)

 AHAHA Tower PC's 

You can build a PC that runs Crysis for 3 times the cost of a 360?  Impressive. 

$700+ dollars to truly be wowed by one game..

[QUOTE="Bebi_vegeta"][QUOTE="GioVela2010"]

 

 

At launch?  What GPU was better than Xenos was at launch? 

GioVela2010

7800 GTX wich was released atleast a good 6 months before.

That's arguable considering 360 runs Bioshock, DiRT, and many other games better than a 7800 GTX

Oh really? At what resolution and AA? 

[QUOTE="world69star69"]

Your on a pc to post these messages, it will only cost you a few hundred to upgrade, maybe less depending on what you already own. It doesn't cost that much.  I upgraded in 2006 and its now 2008 almost 2009 and I can still max out all pc games.  All you need is an geforce 8800 or higher a core2 cpu and 2gb+ ram, and your good to go.  You can get all that for the price of the 360.

And pc can do so much more then just play games. its really worth it.  If you can't afford it, get a freakn job. It doesn't take long to save up a few hundred...people need to learn how to upgrade themselves and not buy from dell....I hate the idiots who say it costs $2000+ for a good pc, it doesn't you can build one yourself or upgrade for cheap, and can buy a new one that will play crysis warhead for $700

GioVela2010

I'm on a laptop watching the NFL in HD on my couch. 8)

 AHAHA Tower PC's 

You can build a PC that runs Crysis for 3 times the cost of a 360?  Impressive. 

$700+ dollars to truly be wowed by one game..

It's more like $700 to play all games at high-max settings.

[QUOTE="GioVela2010"][QUOTE="world69star69"]

Your on a pc to post these messages, it will only cost you a few hundred to upgrade, maybe less depending on what you already own. It doesn't cost that much.  I upgraded in 2006 and its now 2008 almost 2009 and I can still max out all pc games.  All you need is an geforce 8800 or higher a core2 cpu and 2gb+ ram, and your good to go.  You can get all that for the price of the 360.

And pc can do so much more then just play games. its really worth it.  If you can't afford it, get a freakn job. It doesn't take long to save up a few hundred...people need to learn how to upgrade themselves and not buy from dell....I hate the idiots who say it costs $2000+ for a good pc, it doesn't you can build one yourself or upgrade for cheap, and can buy a new one that will play crysis warhead for $700

Bebi_vegeta

I'm on a laptop watching the NFL in HD on my couch. 8)

 AHAHA Tower PC's 

You can build a PC that runs Crysis for 3 times the cost of a 360?  Impressive. 

$700+ dollars to truly be wowed by one game..

It's more like $700 to play all games at high-max settings.

Did I say otherwsie?  Crysis will be the only one to truly wow you.  Maybe DiRT and WiC too..Big maybe

Did I say otherwsie?  Crysis will be the only one to truly wow you.  Maybe DiRT and WiC too..Big maybe GioVela2010

So buy a cheap PC then.

[QUOTE="GioVela2010"][QUOTE="Bebi_vegeta"]

 

7800 GTX wich was released atleast a good 6 months before.

Bebi_vegeta

That's arguable considering 360 runs Bioshock, DiRT, and many other games better than a 7800 GTX

Oh really? At what resolution and AA? 

Regarding Bioshock,  the only website that I remember benchmarking it with VSync on was AMDZone,  and  they don't have the benchmarks up anymore.

But the fact that the 360 version of Bioshock gets massive screen tearing with vsync off is proof that it's above 60FPS without vsync enabled. (no screen tearing with 120hz LCD)

[QUOTE="GioVela2010"]Did I say otherwsie?  Crysis will be the only one to truly wow you.  Maybe DiRT and WiC too..Big maybe agentfred

So buy a cheap PC then.

No thanks,  I prefer playing on Plasmas

[QUOTE="Bebi_vegeta"][QUOTE="GioVela2010"]

 

 

I'm on a laptop watching the NFL in HD on my couch. 8)

 AHAHA Tower PC's 

You can build a PC that runs Crysis for 3 times the cost of a 360?  Impressive. 

 

$700+ dollars to truly be wowed by one game..

 

 

GioVela2010

It's more like $700 to play all games at high-max settings.

Did I say otherwsie?  Crysis will be the only one to truly wow you.  Maybe DiRT and WiC too..Big maybe

Stalker Clear sky, Crysis Warhead, Far Cry 2, and futur game and any other mutiplate games you can crank up the settings to native 1080p.

No thanks,  I prefer playing on Plasmas

GioVela2010

So buy a cheap PC, and play on a Plasma.

Also, I'm looking forward to that pic of your plasma, next to a piece of paper with your username on it.  ;)

 

[QUOTE="Bebi_vegeta"][QUOTE="GioVela2010"]

 

That's arguable considering 360 runs Bioshock, DiRT, and many other games better than a 7800 GTX

GioVela2010

Oh really? At what resolution and AA? 

Regarding Bioshock,  the only website that I remember benchmarking it with VSync on was AMDZone,  and  they don't have the benchmarks up anymore.

But the fact that the 360 version of Bioshock gets massive screen tearing with vsync off is proof that it's above 60FPS without vsync enabled. (no screen tearing with 120hz LCD)

Sounds convenient...

Why are you telling me this?

Bioshock PS3 runs at ~1200 by 675 vs 1280 by 720 for the Xbox 360.  HD... huh?

Here are some Fear bench... now how well was that running on console? 

http://www.firingsquad.com/hardware/nvidia_geforce_7800_gtx_512mb/page10.asp

[QUOTE="GioVela2010"]

No thanks,  I prefer playing on Plasmas

agentfred

So buy a cheap PC, and play on a Plasma.

Also, I'm looking forward to that pic of your plasma, next to a piece of paper with your username on it.  ;)

Then how would you explain some of the PC games needing at least 1GB (2GB on Vista) to run while X-box 360 does it smoothly with 512MB ram?

 

Supafly1

[QUOTE="agentfred"][QUOTE="GioVela2010"]

No thanks,  I prefer playing on Plasmas

Ztxl

So buy a cheap PC, and play on a Plasma.

Also, I'm looking forward to that pic of your plasma, next to a piece of paper with your username on it.  ;)

Done,  check the  last couple pags of the "L4D PC vs 360 visual videlity difference is signifcant" thread 8)

 Dynafrom got.. well..You know..

You cannot port Crysis in its current state.

You can scale visuals you cant scale design.

Crysis on a console would have to be a completely different game, to be adjusted for a consoles hardware.