CVG - ' Killzone 2 is the best looking game we've ever seen'

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#1 -Maddog-
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Believe the hype; Killzone 2 is the best looking game we've ever seen. Stunning facial animation, huge detailed environments and no loading screens what so ever - and the PS3 makes it look as easy as snapping a photo of Pete Doherty looking rough.

But how does it actually play? This question has gone unanswered since those naughty chaps a Guerilla swindled us with CGI over a year ago - until now...

We managed to get our hands on the SixAxis controller at Sony's Games Convention booth and play the stunning PS3 shooter for the very first time. The level we played was the third mission in; a chaotic and intense invasion of the Helgast homeworld - it looks bloody good.

This is the same demo from E3 earlier last month. You've probably seen the videos; it kicks off with a cut-scene near-identical to that of the CGI trailer from last year's E3 - and amazingly, it looks almost as gorgeous in real-time. The facial animation on each character is on par with Half-Life 2 and the scale and detail of the dark, gritty environment is just ridiculous.

Lightning - properly rendered in 3D - shakes the sky. Clouds and smoke travel with the wind, explosions whisk floating embers into the air and groups of tiny moths dance on dusty light bulbs - these are all little touches that make Killzone 2 the PS3's real technical masterpiece.

In feel, it plays similarly to the original Killzone; R2 fires your weapon, X is the action button and so forth. The cinematic flair however has gone through the roof; subtle focus blur on your weapon and nearby objects adds to the realism greatly, and the HUD is near non-existent; ammo count only appearing when you fire your weapon and visual colour-bending cues indicating your health.

The most exciting feature of the PS3 Killzone however is the new first-person cover system, which works a lot like Gears of War but without taking you out of the experience. Holding L2 latches you on to walls similar to Epic's shooter, then the left stick allows you to pop out with your gun and fire off a few shots. You can even blind fire with the R2 fire button; it's works very well and is even more visceral than the stuff in Gears.

Some of the encounters we experienced in our demo whiffed of that "cover shooter" gameplay as well; in one seen we darted easily from box to pillar with the sprint button, trying to flank around the side of a chaingun-toting mini-boss and shoot him in the back. It works flawlessly in first person, and should add some much needed variety to the Killzone formula.

Thankfully the real meat (that's the shooting) is an enjoyable venture as well. A combination of animation and physics make the Helgast satisfying to shoot; properly rendered blood splatters out realistically while Guerilla's excellent motion capture work creates some great looking death routines, complete with flailing arms and dives to the floor.

The rocket launcher - again looking near identical to the one seen in the CGI trailer - too is a rather satisfying blasting experience - though it desperately needs to support the heavily-rumoured rumble SixAxis to feel as lethal as the RPGs in other console shooters.

The AI seems to be a bit of hit and miss at this point; they're not afraid of jumping behind cover - and indeed hold their ground aggressively - but half the time they strut around like slow guerillas getting shot in the face - and while we're at it the player's own walking speed could do with an increase as well. That said, we expect a demo without god mode turned on might be a more faithful example the AI's behaviour...

It looks amazingly next-gen, but to play Killzone at the moment feels very similar to its PS2 predecessor. We'll reserve judgement though; the cover system has been implemented perfectly and works fantastically in Killzone 2's many stand offs, and if Guerilla's word is to be believed there are still plenty of surprises on the way...

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#2 Squall_Griver
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Expect alot of these from other's


but killzone 2 looks hella good
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#3 FrozenLiquid
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They say all this amazing stuff and then say it feels "very similar to its PS2 predecessor"? Um... I don't understand their view then...

And they used the wrong "guerilla", if I'm not mistaken.

Anyway, that's positive news for Killzone 2. Shaping up to be a good game then.

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#4 Meu2k7
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How long do you guys intend to milk this? :I
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They say all this amazing stuff and then say it feels "very similar to its PS2 predecessor"? Um... I don't understand their view then...

And they used the wrong "guerilla", if I'm not mistaken.

Anyway, that's positive news for Killzone 2. Shaping up to be a good game then.

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Killzone one was awsome but it had glitches and the online went like 15 FPS
and lagged ALOT!
Killzone one was rushed BADLY
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#6 jiggawho2006
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"but to play Killzone at the moment feels very similar to its PS2 predecessor."

lol and what score did killzone get on ps2? and why was the score so low?

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#7 FrozenLiquid
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How long do you guys intend to milk this? :IMeu2k7

What do you mean milk?

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It looks very,very good but clearly they have not seen Crysis,Gears of War, or COD4.
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#9 goodlay
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[QUOTE="FrozenLiquid"]

They say all this amazing stuff and then say it feels "very similar to its PS2 predecessor"? Um... I don't understand their view then...

And they used the wrong "guerilla", if I'm not mistaken.

Anyway, that's positive news for Killzone 2. Shaping up to be a good game then.

Squall_Griver


Killzone one was awsome but it had glitches and the online went like 15 FPS
and lagged ALOT!
Killzone one was rushed BADLY

Then it wasn't that awesome then, was it?

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#10 Squall_Griver
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[QUOTE="Squall_Griver"][QUOTE="FrozenLiquid"]

They say all this amazing stuff and then say it feels "very similar to its PS2 predecessor"? Um... I don't understand their view then...

And they used the wrong "guerilla", if I'm not mistaken.

Anyway, that's positive news for Killzone 2. Shaping up to be a good game then.

goodlay


Killzone one was awsome but it had glitches and the online went like 15 FPS
and lagged ALOT!
Killzone one was rushed BADLY

Then it wasn't that awesome then, was it?


It had this realistic feeling to it IMO the running and the gun swaying,when you move
it was awsome but the online sucked!
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#11 Metroid_Time
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They've never heard of Crysis then.
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#12 proof11102
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How long do you guys intend to milk this? :IMeu2k7

At least we are not milking PC games **cough** Bioshock *cough*

How long do you guys intend on milking those?

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#13 Squall_Griver
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I dunno why but i mean its not like crysis wipes the floor with killzone 2
other people act as if crysis does so with killzone 2 :|,it does look better but gap between the graphics between them isnt as wide as people say it is IMO
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#14 proof11102
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[QUOTE="Meu2k7"]How long do you guys intend to milk this? :IFrozenLiquid

What do you mean milk?

It seems this is turning out to be a very impressive game (one of the most impressive this gen) and he's just saying he'd rather us talk about games that aren't impressive for PS3 so he and his buddies can go back to saying PS3 is a failure and a flop.

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#15 Squall_Griver
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[QUOTE="FrozenLiquid"]

[QUOTE="Meu2k7"]How long do you guys intend to milk this? :Iproof11102

What do you mean milk?

It seems this is turning out to be a very impressive game (one of the most impressive this gen) and he's just saying he'd rather us talk about games that aren't impressive for PS3 so he and his buddies can go back to saying PS3 is a failure and a flop.


:lol: you win some internet!
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I dunno why but i mean its not like crysis wipes the floor with killzone 2
other people act as if crysis does so with killzone 2 :|,it does look better but gap between the graphics between them isnt as wide as people say it is IMO
Squall_Griver

Believe me it's the size of the grand canyon that gap is.

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[QUOTE="Squall_Griver"]I dunno why but i mean its not like crysis wipes the floor with killzone 2
other people act as if crysis does so with killzone 2 :|,it does look better but gap between the graphics between them isnt as wide as people say it is IMO
Metroid_Time

Believe me it's the size of the grand canyon that gap is.


AHAHA :lol:
Like your...NVM :|
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I have yet to see what is so special about KZ2.
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#19 -Maddog-
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I have yet to see what is so special about KZ2.bluebrad1974

Maybe because you haven't played it...tell me, Whats so special about any game? As long as its FUN, has a great and interesting story...its a sellar...exactly what CVG are basically saying with Killzone 2.

This "Special" talk is being thrown around to often.....Just sit down.

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#20 Kestastrophe
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As long as its FUN, has a great and interesting story.

-Maddog-

O rly? Where, in that article, do they mention anything about story?


It looks amazingly next-gen, but to play Killzone at the moment feels very similar to its PS2 predecessor.

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-Maddog-

This is probably the most disappointing part of the article. I was really hoping that Guerilla would completely revamp the gameplay from Killzone PS2, but as of right now it is not looking that way. The cover system sounds interesting though.

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[QUOTE="Metroid_Time"]

[QUOTE="Squall_Griver"]I dunno why but i mean its not like crysis wipes the floor with killzone 2
other people act as if crysis does so with killzone 2 :|,it does look better but gap between the graphics between them isnt as wide as people say it is IMO
Squall_Griver

Believe me it's the size of the grand canyon that gap is.


They are two completely opposite games in terms of overall look... Honestly, the tech behind Crysis >>>>>>>>> Killzone 2 but the graphics are just different. Guerilla better upgrade the textures otherwise it seriously won't even compare. Crysis has better lighting (ray-tracing >>> any type of other lighting... Ray-tracing means the lighting is 100% accurate and realistic. Also volumetric lighting >>> other lighting because it adds realism. Both are dynamic, but Crysis is more accurate and cinematic.), better physics (every object has active physics processing on it, this means that even a tiny splinter has physics. I know in one screenshot there is an explosion and you see a cigarette flying by.), better textures(speaks for itself...), better animations (the tech is similar to Euphoria in that it has 100% dynamic and realistic animations.), and better everything (plants, clouds, water, buildings(if you have seen the tech demo showing the inside of the building in Crysis you would agree...), character models, and facial animations.)

Thing is, when you look at them side-by-side these details appear small, when in reality they require a lot more processing power and work to create. It adds to the overall look of the game.

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[QUOTE="Meu2k7"]How long do you guys intend to milk this? :Iproof11102

At least we are not milking PC games **cough** Bioshock *cough*

How long do you guys intend on milking those?

Its out ... how are we milking it? :lol: .. Bioshock wasnt based a on a previously bad game that had great graphics for is time aswell.

I dunno why but i mean its not like crysis wipes the floor with killzone 2
other people act as if crysis does so with killzone 2 :|,it does look better but gap between the graphics between them isnt as wide as people say it is IMO
Squall_Griver

I agree, then again they are too different in colour palletes to tell, and well everything is hugely exagurated in KZ2 (Smoking bullet holes , heads popping) which indeed looks cool.

Technically though Crysis walks over it, and feature-set.

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I have yet to see what is so special about KZ2.bluebrad1974

maybe buy some new glasses

wonder fi crysis can hold its stick when we see killzone sunny eviroments the thing what makes crysis ''special'' is hdrlightning that makes things pop up but we know killzone has more advanced lightning....

i mean this doesnt look that spectacular untill you drop some lights on it....


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#24 Meu2k7
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[QUOTE="-Maddog-"]

As long as its FUN, has a great and interesting story.

Kestastrophe

O rly? Where, in that article, do they mention anything about story?


It looks amazingly next-gen, but to play Killzone at the moment feels very similar to its PS2 predecessor.

Link

-Maddog-

This is probably the most disappointing part of the article. I was really hoping that Guerilla would completely revamp the gameplay from Killzone PS2, but as of right now it is not looking that way. The cover system sounds interesting though.

Exactly why I'm not hyping it (Despite the fact that I will have a PS3 by then) ..... I fell for the Killzone 1 hype , I wont do it again just because it looks pretty.

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#25 horrowhip
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[QUOTE="bluebrad1974"]I have yet to see what is so special about KZ2.legalize3

maybe buy some new glasses

wonder fi crysis can hold its stick when we see killzone sunny eviroments the thing what makes crysis ''special'' is hdrlightning that makes things pop up but we know killzone has more advanced lightning....

i mean this doesnt look that spectacular untill you drop some lights on it....


Hurray for finding an early DX9 screenshot....

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[QUOTE="legalize3"]

[QUOTE="bluebrad1974"]I have yet to see what is so special about KZ2.horrowhip

maybe buy some new glasses

wonder fi crysis can hold its stick when we see killzone sunny eviroments the thing what makes crysis ''special'' is hdrlightning that makes things pop up but we know killzone has more advanced lightning....

i mean this doesnt look that spectacular untill you drop some lights on it....


Hurray for finding an early DX9 screenshot....

huray for thinking killzone is a finished game....

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I hope more games would use the first person cover thing *cough*BIA*cough*
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[QUOTE="bluebrad1974"]I have yet to see what is so special about KZ2.legalize3

maybe buy some new glasses

wonder fi crysis can hold its stick when we see killzone sunny eviroments the thing what makes crysis ''special'' is hdrlightning that makes things pop up but we know killzone has more advanced lightning....

i mean this doesnt look that spectacular untill you drop some lights on it....


That picture is at night time and looks amazing, that could also be available in Multiplayer, adding a whole ne sense of gameplay half-way through a game, making some players perform better, and some worse.... making ambushes and vehicle assaults alot more dangerous.

The need to protect your factories and main base also increases at night ... while you can just use your zoomed in visor to see if theres and attack ... you cant at night obviously.

Also Kz2 does not have more advanced Lighting ... heck any engine can pull of ANY INVENTED Lighting thats available ... KZ2 just uses some features that are not needed for Crysis because of the ****difference .... let me know when Killzone 2 has dense jungles with light rays searing through (not just bloody cracks in buildings) or the absolutely superb water/underwater lighting... OR DYNAMICALLY CHANGING LIGHTING IN MULTIPLAYER for that matter ... sunsets/sunrise/night/day/storys/tornadoes .... yea let me know when that happens.

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Killzone one was awsome but it had glitches and the online went like 15 FPS
and lagged ALOT!
Killzone one was rushed BADLY
Squall_Griver

So in other words it sucked.

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#30 horrowhip
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[QUOTE="horrowhip"][QUOTE="legalize3"]

[QUOTE="bluebrad1974"]I have yet to see what is so special about KZ2.legalize3

maybe buy some new glasses

wonder fi crysis can hold its stick when we see killzone sunny eviroments the thing what makes crysis ''special'' is hdrlightning that makes things pop up but we know killzone has more advanced lightning....

i mean this doesnt look that spectacular untill you drop some lights on it....


Hurray for finding an early DX9 screenshot....

huray for thinking killzone is a finished game....

I never said that. You said tha Killzone 2 has better lighting which IS NOT TRUE. Ray-tracing(Crysis uses a simple form of it. Not 100% accurate but it iscloser to being perfect than anything else...)beats anything because it is literally doing the actual calculations for the light.

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#31 proof11102
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I have yet to see what is so special about KZ2.bluebrad1974

Yet every lemming on this board seems to find Bioshock to be the best looking and most impressive gameEVERRR! I don't see how you can look as Bioshock and make such claims of how innovative and outstanding a game it is then looks at Killzone 2 and say you see nothing impressive at all.

Lemmings are really the worse fanboys. You all make such rediclous andoutlandish claims it's not even fun to argue with you sometimes.

Ok lemmings I'll agree with you, there is absolutly nothing impressive about KZ2, Something like Halo3 is alot more impressive...

I mean who in there right mind would want to play this....

when they could instead play this?

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In case you cows forgot, KZ1 flopped. Yet, you cows are still hyping KZ2 just because of it's graphics.

This would be like hyping a sequal to Brute Force...

But, since it's all you guys have...

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[QUOTE="bluebrad1974"]I have yet to see what is so special about KZ2.proof11102

Yet every lemming on this board seems to find Bioshock to be the best looking and most impressive gameEVERRR! I don't see how you can look as Bioshock and make such claims of how innovative and outstanding a game it is then looks at Killzone 2 and say you see nothing impressive at all.

Lemmings are really the worse fanboys. You all make such rediclous andoutlandish claims it's not even fun to argue with you sometimes.

Ok lemmings I'll agree with you, there is absolutly nothing impressive about KZ2, Something like Halo3 is alot more impressive...

I mean who in there right mind would want to play this....

when they could instead play this?

Anyone with sense thats who ... if they both didnt have trach-records it would be a different story, but Halo 3 is definatly easier on the eyes ... btw you showed a bad pic of Halo 3... that doesnt help your arguement at all... Halo 3... as much as I think its mediocre looks (style) amazing ... everything about it ... Killzone 2 ? just a bunch of dirty war-torn men fighting in wore-torn streets with wore-torn weapons/vehicles ... wake me up when it gets less depressing to look at .

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[QUOTE="bluebrad1974"]I have yet to see what is so special about KZ2.proof11102

Yet every lemming on this board seems to find Bioshock to be the best looking and most impressive gameEVERRR! I don't see how you can look as Bioshock and make such claims of how innovative and outstanding a game it is then looks at Killzone 2 and say you see nothing impressive at all.

Lemmings are really the worse fanboys. You all make such rediclous andoutlandish claims it's not even fun to argue with you sometimes.

Ok lemmings I'll agree with you, there is absolutly nothing impressive about KZ2, Something like Halo3 is alot more impressive...

I mean who in there right mind would want to play this....

(Killzone 2)

when they could instead play this?

(Halo 3 pic)

(Ignores sarcasm)

Especially when the latter has proven to have some of the most addicting multiplayer ever conceived in a FPS. I'm so pumped for Halo 3 :D.

Oh, and someone already beat me to the purple/yellow colour scheme. That's my royalty colour people!!!!

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#35 JPOBS
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i dont think killzone really looks that great. from what we've seen, its dark, drab, bland, and single colored. the lighting is cool and the gun models are nice the enviroment looks horrible imo.
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#36 JPOBS
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[QUOTE="bluebrad1974"]I have yet to see what is so special about KZ2.proof11102

Yet every lemming on this board seems to find Bioshock to be the best looking and most impressive gameEVERRR! I don't see how you can look as Bioshock and make such claims of how innovative and outstanding a game it is then looks at Killzone 2 and say you see nothing impressive at all.

Lemmings are really the worse fanboys. You all make such rediclous andoutlandish claims it's not even fun to argue with you sometimes.

Ok lemmings I'll agree with you, there is absolutly nothing impressive about KZ2, Something like Halo3 is alot more impressive...

I mean who in there right mind would want to play this....

when they could instead play this?

despite all of your rambling about how horrible lemmings are, you have yet to disprove that bioshock is indeed more innovative and impressive than killzone 2....
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#37 MortalDecay
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[QUOTE="bluebrad1974"]I have yet to see what is so special about KZ2.proof11102

Yet every lemming on this board seems to find Bioshock to be the best looking and most impressive gameEVERRR! I don't see how you can look as Bioshock and make such claims of how innovative and outstanding a game it is then looks at Killzone 2 and say you see nothing impressive at all.

Lemmings are really the worse fanboys. You all make such rediclous andoutlandish claims it's not even fun to argue with you sometimes.

Ok lemmings I'll agree with you, there is absolutly nothing impressive about KZ2, Something like Halo3 is alot more impressive...

I mean who in there right mind would want to play this....

when they could instead play this?

If KZ2 is anything like the first one, which it sounds like it will be, I'll take Halo 3 any day.

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#38 proof11102
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In case you cows forgot, KZ1 flopped. Yet, you cows are still hyping KZ2 just because of it's graphics.

This would be like hyping a sequal to Brute Force...

But, since it's all you guys have...

MortalDecay

Why don't you go educate yourself instead of making idiotic comments?

If you had the ability to read you'd already konw that there have been several hands on reports of Killzone 2's gameplay which have all mentioned impressvie features of gameplay and mechanics, many of which can only be found in this game, show that isnot just just more of the same Killzone of old.

Hell most next gen gamesnow can't stack up to what killzone is pulling off in unfinished form. The physics, lighting, scale, and interactionbetween theplayer and theworld is not even beingacheived by any other game on the market save for Crysis.

Here educate yourself before makeing any more dumb comments.

http://www.gamespot.com/events/leipzig07/story.html?sid=6177525&pid=928377&tag=topslot;title;2

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#39 JPOBS
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Why don't you go educate yourself instead of making idiotic comments?

If you had the ability to read you'd already konw that there have been several hands on reports of Killzone 2's gameplay which have all mentioned impressvie features of gameplay and mechanics, many of which can only be found in this game, show that isnot just just more of the same Killzone of old.

Hell most next gen gamesnow can't stack up to what killzone is pulling off in unfinished form. The physics, lighting, scale, and interactionbetween theplayer and theworld is not even beingacheived by any other game on the market save for Crysis.

Here educate yourself before makeing any more dumb comments.

http://www.gamespot.com/events/leipzig07/story.html?sid=6177525&pid=928377&tag=topslot;title;2

proof11102
what exactly is impressive about the physics, scale, and interactiong between player and world?
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#40 Meu2k7
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[QUOTE="MortalDecay"]

In case you cows forgot, KZ1 flopped. Yet, you cows are still hyping KZ2 just because of it's graphics.

This would be like hyping a sequal to Brute Force...

But, since it's all you guys have...

proof11102

Why don't you go educate yourself instead of making idiotic comments?

If you had the ability to read you'd already konw that there have been several hands on reports of Killzone 2's gameplay which have all mentioned impressvie features of gameplay and mechanics, many of which can only be found in this game, show that isnot just just more of the same Killzone of old.

Hell most next gen gamesnow can't stack up to what killzone is pulling off in unfinished form. The physics, lighting, scale, and interactionbetween theplayer and theworld is not even beingacheived by any other game on the market save for Crysis.

Here educate yourself before makeing any more dumb comments.

http://www.gamespot.com/events/leipzig07/story.html?sid=6177525&pid=928377&tag=topslot;title;2

Cover stytem, physics / descructable objects (some) and gore are not enough ... does it even have vechicles which you can use? all we have seen so far is a mindless helghast grind AGAIN ... show me some video-proof of other-wise or just stop.

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#41 legalize3
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I never said that. You said tha Killzone 2 has better lighting which IS NOT TRUE. Ray-tracing(Crysis uses a simple form of it. Not 100% accurate but it iscloser to being perfect than anything else...)beats anything because it is literally doing the actual calculations for the light.horrowhip

1st of all crysis does not use ray tracing stop the madness it uses HDR

http://www.bit-tech.net/gaming/2006/04/20/crysis_new_screenshots/2

http://www.1up.com/do/previewPage?cId=3147944

http://www.crysisdownload.com/cryengine2.php

2nd of all killzone does have better lightning engine it uses deferred rendering with complex geometry andfull screen msaa

http://www.gameklip.net/v/10184/

3rd you do not even know that deffered rendering has more advances lightning then your typical crysis HDR lightning....

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deferred_shading

4th get to know your lightning

http://ninja-matic.gametrailers.com/gamepad/?action=viewblog&id=125517

5th turn of your light in your room and see how many graphics you see... NOTHING now turn it on, see thats what lightning does..

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#42 proof11102
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[QUOTE="proof11102"]

[QUOTE="bluebrad1974"]I have yet to see what is so special about KZ2.JPOBS

Yet every lemming on this board seems to find Bioshock to be the best looking and most impressive game EVERRR! I don't see how you can look as Bioshock and make such claims of how innovative and outstanding a game it is then looks at Killzone 2 and say you see nothing impressive at all.

Lemmings are really the worse fanboys. You all make such rediclous andoutlandish claims it's not even fun to argue with you sometimes.

Ok lemmings I'll agree with you, there is absolutly nothing impressive about KZ2, Something like Halo3 is alot more impressive...

I mean who in there right mind would want to play this....

when they could instead play this?

despite all of your rambling about how horrible lemmings are, you have yet to disprove that bioshock is indeed more innovative and impressive than killzone 2....

I Don't have to prove ****.

I never made a claim of one being superior to the other, Hell how could I have yet to play both games. And that brings me to my point. Neiter have any of you lemmings on this board!!! The only things we have to go by is to make an assesment of this game is Pics, video, and hands-on commentary. All of which point to Killzone 2 is going to be a hell of a game.

Yet lemmings claim KZ2 is trash besed NOT on what people are saying about the game in question now, but on what a previous game, on a diffrent system, with less funding, on a smaller team, that was NOT backed by Sony did...nice logic lemmings?!

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#43 Meu2k7
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[QUOTE="horrowhip"]

I never said that. You said tha Killzone 2 has better lighting which IS NOT TRUE. Ray-tracing(Crysis uses a simple form of it. Not 100% accurate but it iscloser to being perfect than anything else...)beats anything because it is literally doing the actual calculations for the light.legalize3

1st of all crysis does not use ray tracing stop the madness it uses HDR

http://www.bit-tech.net/gaming/2006/04/20/crysis_new_screenshots/2

http://www.1up.com/do/previewPage?cId=3147944

http://www.crysisdownload.com/cryengine2.php

2nd of all killzone does have better lightning engine it uses deferred rendering with complex geometry andfull screen msaa

http://www.gameklip.net/v/10184/

3rd you do not even know that deffered rendering has more advances lightning then your typical crysis HDR lightning....

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deferred_shading

4th get to know your lightning

http://ninja-matic.gametrailers.com/gamepad/?action=viewblog&id=125517

Yes, it uses Ray tracing on Direct X 10 ....

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#44 JPOBS
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[QUOTE="JPOBS"][QUOTE="proof11102"]

[QUOTE="bluebrad1974"]I have yet to see what is so special about KZ2.proof11102

Yet every lemming on this board seems to find Bioshock to be the best looking and most impressive gameEVERRR! I don't see how you can look as Bioshock and make such claims of how innovative and outstanding a game it is then looks at Killzone 2 and say you see nothing impressive at all.

Lemmings are really the worse fanboys. You all make such rediclous andoutlandish claims it's not even fun to argue with you sometimes.

Ok lemmings I'll agree with you, there is absolutly nothing impressive about KZ2, Something like Halo3 is alot more impressive...

I mean who in there right mind would want to play this....

when they could instead play this?

despite all of your rambling about how horrible lemmings are, you have yet to disprove that bioshock is indeed more innovative and impressive than killzone 2....

I Don't have to prove ****.

I never made a claim of one being superior to the other, Hell how could I have yet to play both games. And that brings me to my point. Neiter have any of you lemmings on this board!!! The only things we have to go by is to make an assesment ofthis game is Pics, video, and hands-on commentary. All of which point to Killzone 2 being a very impressive game.

Yet lemmings claim KZ2 is trash besed NOT on what people are saying about the gamein questionnow, but on what a previous game, on a diffrent system, with less funding, ona smaller team, that wasNOT backed bySonydid...nice logic lemmings?!

That sentence i highlighted translated to me sounds like this: "how can lemmings look at bioshock and be impressed, when killzone is obviously far superior"

Lemmings have a right to have an opinion on the pics and video of killzone.

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#45 MortalDecay
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[QUOTE="MortalDecay"]

In case you cows forgot, KZ1 flopped. Yet, you cows are still hyping KZ2 just because of it's graphics.

This would be like hyping a sequal to Brute Force...

But, since it's all you guys have...

proof11102

Why don't you go educate yourself instead of making idiotic comments?

If you had the ability to read you'd already konw that there have been several hands on reports of Killzone 2's gameplay which have all mentioned impressvie features of gameplay and mechanics, many of which can only be found in this game, show that isnot just just more of the same Killzone of old.

Hell most next gen gamesnow can't stack up to what killzone is pulling off in unfinished form. The physics, lighting, scale, and interactionbetween theplayer and theworld is not even beingacheived by any other game on the market save for Crysis.

Here educate yourself before makeing any more dumb comments.

http://www.gamespot.com/events/leipzig07/story.html?sid=6177525&pid=928377&tag=topslot;title;2

I believe you're the one that needs to brush up on his reading.

I failed to see where that artical states that KZ2 looks, and plays better than anything else available, which is what you're saying.

And about the new gameplay mechanics...Cover? New? :lol:

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#46 axes03
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let em mooo, this is the only piece of crap the waitstation3 has left, the cows are gonna hype it like they did with the first one, which turned out to be the biggest flop in SW, then came the damage control, "oh, it was rushed....."

theyll do the same damage control when emozone2 flops, and comparing it to crysis.....pfft, flop after flop and trying to convince themselveswith the mediocre games they play,has damaged their brain cells

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#47 legalize3
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[QUOTE="legalize3"]

[QUOTE="horrowhip"]

I never said that. You said tha Killzone 2 has better lighting which IS NOT TRUE. Ray-tracing(Crysis uses a simple form of it. Not 100% accurate but it iscloser to being perfect than anything else...)beats anything because it is literally doing the actual calculations for the light.Meu2k7

1st of all crysis does not use ray tracing stop the madness it uses HDR

http://www.bit-tech.net/gaming/2006/04/20/crysis_new_screenshots/2

http://www.1up.com/do/previewPage?cId=3147944

http://www.crysisdownload.com/cryengine2.php

2nd of all killzone does have better lightning engine it uses deferred rendering with complex geometry andfull screen msaa

http://www.gameklip.net/v/10184/

3rd you do not even know that deffered rendering has more advances lightning then your typical crysis HDR lightning....

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deferred_shading

4th get to know your lightning

http://ninja-matic.gametrailers.com/gamepad/?action=viewblog&id=125517

Yes, it uses Ray tracing on Direct X 10 ....

i gave you 3 links of crysis with the official crysis site all of them does not mention the so called ray-tracing

you step in inside this topic claiming crysis uses ray -tracing but without links so who to believe its pretty hard

a guy thats not a developer or the official crysis site hmmm lets see...

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A first person cover system is not new.
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#49 axes03
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[QUOTE="proof11102"][QUOTE="MortalDecay"]

In case you cows forgot, KZ1 flopped. Yet, you cows are still hyping KZ2 just because of it's graphics.

This would be like hyping a sequal to Brute Force...

But, since it's all you guys have...

MortalDecay

Why don't you go educate yourself instead of making idiotic comments?

If you had the ability to read you'd already konw that there have been several hands on reports of Killzone 2's gameplay which have all mentioned impressvie features of gameplay and mechanics, many of which can only be found in this game, show that isnot just just more of the same Killzone of old.

Hell most next gen gamesnow can't stack up to what killzone is pulling off in unfinished form. The physics, lighting, scale, and interactionbetween theplayer and theworld is not even beingacheived by any other game on the market save for Crysis.

Here educate yourself before makeing any more dumb comments.

http://www.gamespot.com/events/leipzig07/story.html?sid=6177525&pid=928377&tag=topslot;title;2

I believe you're the one that needs to brush up on his reading.

I failed to see where that artical states that KZ2 looks, and plays better than anything else available, which is what you're saying.

And about the new gameplay mechanics...Cover? New? :lol:

theyre used to flipping crabs over FOR MASSIVE damage, obviously this is new to them, and "the best available", what do you expect, theyre still trying to prove emozone1 was a good game.....sad

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#50 proof11102
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[QUOTE="proof11102"][QUOTE="MortalDecay"]

In case you cows forgot, KZ1 flopped. Yet, you cows are still hyping KZ2 just because of it's graphics.

This would be like hyping a sequal to Brute Force...

But, since it's all you guys have...

Meu2k7

Why don't you go educate yourself instead of making idiotic comments?

If you had the ability to read you'd already konw that there have been several hands on reports of Killzone 2's gameplay which have all mentioned impressvie features of gameplay and mechanics, many of which can only be found in this game, show that isnot just just more of the same Killzone of old.

Hell most next gen gamesnow can't stack up to what killzone is pulling off in unfinished form. The physics, lighting, scale, and interactionbetween theplayer and theworld is not even beingacheived by any other game on the market save for Crysis.

Here educate yourself before makeing any more dumb comments.

http://www.gamespot.com/events/leipzig07/story.html?sid=6177525&pid=928377&tag=topslot;title;2

Cover stytem, physics / descructable objects (some) and gore are not enough ... does it even have vechicles which you can use? all we have seen so far is a mindless helghast grind AGAIN ... show me some video-proof of other-wise or just stop.

Since you are incapable of readingand finding information on your own before making ignorant comments,I'll hand feed it to you so you won't be so annoying.

http://www.gamespot.com/video/928377/6177600/killzone-2-video-feature-2