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#1 slvrraven9
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working the middle....with hardcore devotion and games!(now get your minds out the gutter!) it seems sony is going to be the one to carry us from this gen, into the next successfully.

Opinion? Discuss........

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Wait, what is Microsoft doing?
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#3 VensInferno
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Nintendo and Sony will probably lead the way.

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#4 MajorPain10
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working the middle....with hardcore devotion and games!(now get your minds out the gutter!) it seems sony is going to be the one to carry us from this gen, into the next successfully.

Opinion? Discuss........

slvrraven9
As of right now you are wrong, as Nintendo is the only one concerned in carrying us into the next generation. The Wii U may not have a "next-gen" graphical prowess but will definitely introduce us to a next-gen experience.
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#5 meetroid8
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Nintendo is leading the charge into the next generation, what is MS doing differently?
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SO it will be the the PS3 in its prime vs the beginning of the WiiU.

sounds like a good battle :P

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#7 slvrraven9
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Wait, what is Microsoft doing?UCF_Knight
switching from hardcore to casual with kinect..... (changing positions!)
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#8 turtlethetaffer
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Um... what?

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[QUOTE="UCF_Knight"]Wait, what is Microsoft doing?slvrraven9
switching from hardcore to casual with kinect..... (changing positions!)

What games have they scrapped in order to push Kinect? What are they doing differently besides adding something new?
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#11 tagyhag
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I'd say Nintendo and Sony are going to cater to the core members. (Hardcore gamers wouldn't really game on the consoles)
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MS is willing to outspend Sony and Nintendo in developing the next generation. So I don't really get what you're saying.
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[QUOTE="MajorPain10"][QUOTE="slvrraven9"]

working the middle....with hardcore devotion and games!(now get your minds out the gutter!) it seems sony is going to be the one to carry us from this gen, into the next successfully.

Opinion? Discuss........

As of right now you are wrong, as Nintendo is the only one concerned in carrying us into the next generation. The Wii U may not have a "next-gen" graphical prowess but will definitely introduce us to a next-gen experience.

what i mean by my text is that they arent abandoning their fanbase and jumping straight to a new console while duping the still loyal current fans (i.e. nintendo) they arent changing theyre core focus (i.e. MS) theyre still giving us what we want and offering a wide variety to choose from in the current gen. a nice longevity and steady linenup.
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#14 93BlackHawk93
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Looks like I won't be buying WiiU anymore, so I agree.

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#15 BuryMe
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Um... How is Ninty pulling out?

And MS isn't changing positions...

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#16 LovePotionNo9
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Nintendo can't be the ones pulling out when they're the ones furthest ahead.

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#18 JuanGrande386
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did you even think before you made that topic title???????? "Ninty pulling out" "MS changing positions"?????? LOLz

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#19 MajorPain10
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[QUOTE="MajorPain10"][QUOTE="slvrraven9"]

working the middle....with hardcore devotion and games!(now get your minds out the gutter!) it seems sony is going to be the one to carry us from this gen, into the next successfully.

Opinion? Discuss........

slvrraven9

As of right now you are wrong, as Nintendo is the only one concerned in carrying us into the next generation. The Wii U may not have a "next-gen" graphical prowess but will definitely introduce us to a next-gen experience.

what i mean by my text is that they arent abandoning their fanbase and jumping straight to a new console while duping the still loyal current fans (i.e. nintendo) they arent changing theyre core focus (i.e. MS) theyre still giving us what we want and offering a wide variety to choose from in the current gen. a nice longevity and steady linenup.

How are they abandoning their fanbase when they will be delivering the 1st party titles that fanbase has continued to follow? The only real flaws of the Wii are the lack of valued 3rd party games in regard to massive amount of 3rd party shovelware that has buried the good games, as well as developers not pushing to create "good" games for the Wii. With the Wii having such a large install base you would think third parties would contribute more, but apparently graphical limities are a HUGE setback. In this day in age where Minecraft is one of the most popular games around has "horrible" graphics, it makes you wonder why. Nintendo is STILL the only company of the three pushing for new experiences beyond the "standard" game controller.

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#20 slvrraven9
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[QUOTE="2_Quiet_2_Riot"]

Sony is indeed the only one that's in the "middle" and has been very consistant in 3 vital criterias:

  1. strong 3rd party support
  2. strong exclusives
  3. catering to the hardcore market

Despite promoting the Move, Sony is still in the same (consistant) position for 17 years in promoting for the hardcore market. Move is an option and FAR LESS concentrated on. Unlike Nintendo and MS where they're pushing their Motion Sensing to the masses.

exactly what i was thinking. good job!
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[QUOTE="slvrraven9"][QUOTE="UCF_Knight"]Wait, what is Microsoft doing?UCF_Knight
switching from hardcore to casual with kinect..... (changing positions!)

What games have they scrapped in order to push Kinect? What are they doing differently besides adding something new?

see the main focus has gone from pushing out core games in favor of pushing out games for kinect. Gamers that dont have/want kinect are left with slim pickins so to speak. instead of putting the primar focus on the add on like MS is doing, their primary focus is still on the hardcore market, while still bringing out games and supporting the move.
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see the main focus has gone from pushing out core games in favor of pushing out games for kinect. Gamers that dont have/want kinect are left with slim pickins so to speak. instead of putting the primar focus on the add on like MS is doing, their primary focus is still on the hardcore market, while still bringing out games and supporting the move.slvrraven9
...huh? Microsoft is doing the same thing with Kinect as Sony is doing with Move. Developing the same games as usual, and implementing those controls for whoever feels like using them. It's not like Microsoft has replaced Gears, Halo, and Forza with mini game collections. All those games are still coming this year, just as they would have if Kinect never existed. I have no idea where you're going with this.
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[QUOTE="slvrraven9"]see the main focus has gone from pushing out core games in favor of pushing out games for kinect. Gamers that dont have/want kinect are left with slim pickins so to speak. instead of putting the primar focus on the add on like MS is doing, their primary focus is still on the hardcore market, while still bringing out games and supporting the move.UCF_Knight
...huh? Microsoft is doing the same thing with Kinect as Sony is doing with Move. Developing the same games as usual, and implementing those controls for whoever feels like using them. It's not like Microsoft has replaced Gears, Halo, and Forza with mini game collections. All those games are still coming this year, just as they would have if Kinect never existed. I have no idea where you're going with this.

They did replace fable ... and rare is now kinect only.. i doubt things would be like that if there were no kinect.
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#24 HaloPimp978
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Nintendo is trying to be Hardcore

MS is turning causal

And Sony is staying the same

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[QUOTE="UCF_Knight"][QUOTE="slvrraven9"]see the main focus has gone from pushing out core games in favor of pushing out games for kinect. Gamers that dont have/want kinect are left with slim pickins so to speak. instead of putting the primar focus on the add on like MS is doing, their primary focus is still on the hardcore market, while still bringing out games and supporting the move.M1KES
...huh? Microsoft is doing the same thing with Kinect as Sony is doing with Move. Developing the same games as usual, and implementing those controls for whoever feels like using them. It's not like Microsoft has replaced Gears, Halo, and Forza with mini game collections. All those games are still coming this year, just as they would have if Kinect never existed. I have no idea where you're going with this.

They did replace fable ... and rare is now kinect only.. i doubt things would be like that if there were no kinect.

You're right. Rare probably would have been shut down without Kinect. Their games have been crap.
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#26 93BlackHawk93
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Nintendo is trying to be Hardcore

MS is turning causal

And Sony is staying the same

HaloPimp978
Nintendo is lying.
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#27 slvrraven9
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Nintendo can't be the ones pulling out when they're the ones furthest ahead.

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i meant in the current gen ;)
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#28 slvrraven9
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loool joke thread i hope no one can be this dumb

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woah there partner. think about what im saying for a second. with MS focusing more on the kinect instead of regular core games and ninty dropping the wii baisicly in favor of the wiiu sony is the only one still going strong with the current market and handling its supporters right. i agree the wiiu is coming and it might be great but with games rivaling what were already getting on the current gen...it might be too little to late for ninty. MS is in a boat of its own with kinect....and how its pretty much doing the core gamers with the skimpy support.
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[QUOTE="slvrraven9"][QUOTE="MajorPain10"] As of right now you are wrong, as Nintendo is the only one concerned in carrying us into the next generation. The Wii U may not have a "next-gen" graphical prowess but will definitely introduce us to a next-gen experience.MajorPain10

what i mean by my text is that they arent abandoning their fanbase and jumping straight to a new console while duping the still loyal current fans (i.e. nintendo) they arent changing theyre core focus (i.e. MS) theyre still giving us what we want and offering a wide variety to choose from in the current gen. a nice longevity and steady linenup.

How are they abandoning their fanbase when they will be delivering the 1st party titles that fanbase has continued to follow? The only real flaws of the Wii are the lack of valued 3rd party games in regard to massive amount of 3rd party shovelware that has buried the good games, as well as developers not pushing to create "good" games for the Wii. With the Wii having such a large install base you would think third parties would contribute more, but apparently graphical limities are a HUGE setback. In this day in age where Minecraft is one of the most popular games around has "horrible" graphics, it makes you wonder why. Nintendo is STILL the only company of the three pushing for new experiences beyond the "standard" game controller.

Well, in the wii's case....this last year and a half is going to be pretty bare of support aside from shovelware. understandable why because they wanna focus on the next gen...but for current wii owners, well, better start catching up on games you hadnt played yet.

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#30 slvrraven9
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[QUOTE="M1KES"][QUOTE="UCF_Knight"] ...huh? Microsoft is doing the same thing with Kinect as Sony is doing with Move. Developing the same games as usual, and implementing those controls for whoever feels like using them. It's not like Microsoft has replaced Gears, Halo, and Forza with mini game collections. All those games are still coming this year, just as they would have if Kinect never existed. I have no idea where you're going with this.KC_Hokie
They did replace fable ... and rare is now kinect only.. i doubt things would be like that if there were no kinect.

You're right. Rare probably would have been shut down without Kinect. Their games have been crap.

with the exception of PDZ yeah, most other games on the xbox have been pretty bad. oh yeah and banjo was ok. i think they wouldve gotten picked up by sony if MS hadnt have gotten them instead but i definatly dont think Rare would have been shut down...
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I totally agree.

Sony just has more games that are high quality games for the hardcore that aren't killer apps like COD, Gears and Halo. I mean, Uncharted is a popular series, but it is nowhere NEAR Halo or Gears in terms of appeal to the casual core gamer (the people who buy consoles for COD and Halo and Madden). It just seems like the games that are on Sony systems aren't developed to be cash cows, they are developed to be good games. Maybe it is because most of their big games are single player focused. Jak and Daxter, Ratchet and Clank, Sly Cooper, Crash Bandicoot, Killzone (this one is the only one that might be pushing into the same category as COD and Halo), God of War, Uncharted, Infamous, Yakuza, Team Ico games, etc... The list goes on.

As a PC only gamer (for now) I can say that Sony is the most traditional game company and console manufacturer. In the past it was all about the games, and now with M$ and Nintendo, they seem to be focusing on hardware. This may change with the WiiU, but we don't know for sure.

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... LOL. I love this thread right now. No disagreements or agreements here, just hilarity for the title and OP. :lol:

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Wait... what is "hardcore" about Sony's offerings? Lol. And what is Nintendo "pulling out" of? They are trying to push the console market forwards and keep it from stagnating.
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#34 KC_Hokie
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Wait... what is "hardcore" about Sony's offerings? Lol. And what is Nintendo "pulling out" of? They are trying to push the console market forwards and keep it from stagnating.foxhound_fox
I agree. I don't see any hardcore pulling out.
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next gen will be wierd....espeically MS and Ninty

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lol microsoft will never lead and saying sony is the only 1 leading i dont think so ,

what has sony brought to the table other then multiple formats to store games huh dont say analog-n64 had it first

motion-wii /nes had them first

ya get your head out of the gutter

as far as sony goes only time well tell but wii u will be succesful,

cause its the only one on the market for some time far then enough time , to be honest i think sony and ms are letting nintnedo go ,

they really see no reason to fight them

and i think thats how it should be , cause after all nintendos main industry is the games industry ,,

sony and ms have other markets to fall back on

but since you brought it up i tihnk next gen will be bad for microsoft

due to the following factors

1 third console curse

2 -- reliablity has to be questioned

3 price , we all know how much darn expensive ps3 was which is why sony is pulling a wiiu card out of its sleeve-only slightly more powerful then a ps3 not all crazy at all , putting them in a good 350 range , -same for nintendo could be less but ya

microsoft we dont know what they want

if they go for power again , well have fun, cause we all know exactly what happens to the most powerful unit on shelves---struggles at launch

more expensive for developers and consumers

and by the end of the gen ms will be lucky to make profit , , cause guess what japan already doesnt like 360 that much

the usa wont either if it costs 600-700 dollars

im sorry remember ps3

and what really bothers me is microsoft dont get more first party titles they will be in even more trouble

the reason 360 succeeded was because at the start they had good amount of first party titles

but that has changed

-they went from having

pgr

amped 3

condemed 1

test drive unlimited 1

saints row 1

halo 3

gears

fable 2

crackdown

banjo

kameo

pd

to ,,

halo

gears

forza

crackdown 2

fable 3

,,, hmm different scene aint it

and now all yall got is kenict stuff , which most of it is on wii and ps3 move ,

the rest are just ports and such only 1 good title overall-kenict adventures and that comes with kenict so pretty bad for them next gen if they keep this up

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#37 slvrraven9
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Wait... what is "hardcore" about Sony's offerings? Lol. And what is Nintendo "pulling out" of? They are trying to push the console market forwards and keep it from stagnating.foxhound_fox
pulling out of the current gen....abandoning the system a little too early. 2 games left for baisicly a year and a half?? good thinking on nintys part...drop out the current gen and leave em wanting more. and sony is still offering games for everone. hardcore, casual....people in between! so its kinda like this, ninty = no games, MS is mostly casual now and sony is still fighting the good fight with games for everyone and still supporting their current exclusives for the fans. we will have to see how support is for the vita when its released....but so far theyre the ones working hardest to please everyone...
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#38 Hatiko
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[QUOTE="slvrraven9"][QUOTE="UCF_Knight"]Wait, what is Microsoft doing?UCF_Knight
switching from hardcore to casual with kinect..... (changing positions!)

What games have they scrapped in order to push Kinect? What are they doing differently besides adding something new?

Kameo 2 and Perfect Dark Core were scrapped so Rare could work on kinect sports. Which would you rather have?

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#39 slvrraven9
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lol microsoft will never lead and saying sony is the only 1 leading i dont think so, in the games department at this point sony is offering MUCH more than MS and ninty are.

what has sony brought to the table other then multiple formats to store games huh dont say analog-n64 had it first WHAT? what does that have to do with my op? if you dont understand just say so and i would gladly break it down.....like its been done already this thread.

motion-wii /nes had them first again, WHAT?

ya get your head out of the gutter didnt get the sexual inuendos eh?

as far as sony goes only time well tell but wii u will be succesful, WHAT?

cause its the only one on the market for some time far then enough time , to be honest i think sony and ms are letting nintnedo go , ok......im done. i officially dont understand where your logic of thinking comes from in reference to my OP and thats after ive gone back and reread it a few times...

they really see no reason to fight them

and i think thats how it should be , cause after all nintendos main industry is the games industry ,,

sony and ms have other markets to fall back on

but since you brought it up i tihnk next gen will be bad for microsoft

due to the following factors

1 third console curse

2 -- reliablity has to be questioned

3 price , we all know how much darn expensive ps3 was which is why sony is pulling a wiiu card out of its sleeve-only slightly more powerful then a ps3 not all crazy at all , putting them in a good 350 range , -same for nintendo could be less but ya

microsoft we dont know what they want

if they go for power again , well have fun, cause we all know exactly what happens to the most powerful unit on shelves---struggles at launch

more expensive for developers and consumers

and by the end of the gen ms will be lucky to make profit , , cause guess what japan already doesnt like 360 that much

the usa wont either if it costs 600-700 dollars

im sorry remember ps3

and what really bothers me is microsoft dont get more first party titles they will be in even more trouble

the reason 360 succeeded was because at the start they had good amount of first party titles

but that has changed

-they went from having

pgr

amped 3

condemed 1

test drive unlimited 1

saints row 1

halo 3

gears

fable 2

crackdown

banjo

kameo

pd

to ,,

halo

gears

forza

crackdown 2

fable 3

,,, hmm different scene aint it

and now all yall got is kenict stuff , which most of it is on wii and ps3 move ,

the rest are just ports and such only 1 good title overall-kenict adventures and that comes with kenict so pretty bad for them next gen if they keep this up

mariokart64fan

dude i think youre reading WAY too much into what i was saying! but whatever, ill bite....

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#40 dream431ca
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Wait, what is Microsoft doing?UCF_Knight

Peter Pan and Cookie Munster!!! Hardcore!!

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Kameo 2 and Perfect Dark Core were scrapped so Rare could work on kinect sports. Which would you rather have?Hatiko
Neither. :P I didn't know of those games being canceled though because of Kinect. If so, then I can see Kinect having a slightly larger impact than Move, but nonetheless I don't see how Microsoft is going so much more casual now than Sony.
Peter Pan and Cookie Munster!!! Hardcore!!dream431ca
Maybe I don't spend enough time here but I don't even know what this means. lol
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[QUOTE="mariokart64fan"]

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dude i think youre reading WAY too much into what i was saying! but whatever, ill bite....

cocaine is a hell of a drug

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#44 Sgt_Crow
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[QUOTE="UCF_Knight"]Wait, what is Microsoft doing?slvrraven9
switching from hardcore to casual with kinect..... (changing positions!)

Ehhh, no. Opposite to what cows seem to think, Kinect is just an addon like Move, not needed.
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#45 el3m2tigre
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[QUOTE="Hatiko"]Kameo 2 and Perfect Dark Core were scrapped so Rare could work on kinect sports. Which would you rather have?UCF_Knight
Neither. :P I didn't know of those games being canceled though because of Kinect. If so, then I can see Kinect having a slightly larger impact than Move, but nonetheless I don't see how Microsoft is going so much more casual now than Sony.
Peter Pan and Cookie Munster!!! Hardcore!!dream431ca
Maybe I don't spend enough time here but I don't even know what this means. lol

Sesame street. That is all.

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#46 el3m2tigre
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[QUOTE="slvrraven9"][QUOTE="UCF_Knight"]Wait, what is Microsoft doing?Sgt_Crow
switching from hardcore to casual with kinect..... (changing positions!)

Ehhh, no. Opposite to what cows seem to think, Kinect is just an addon like Move, not needed.

Still, it'd be nice if they focused on making more games that would cater to the hardcore players. Instead they'd prefer to make a game about Sesame Street.

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#47 dream431ca
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[QUOTE="Hatiko"]Kameo 2 and Perfect Dark Core were scrapped so Rare could work on kinect sports. Which would you rather have?UCF_Knight
Neither. :P I didn't know of those games being canceled though because of Kinect. If so, then I can see Kinect having a slightly larger impact than Move, but nonetheless I don't see how Microsoft is going so much more casual now than Sony.
Peter Pan and Cookie Munster!!! Hardcore!!dream431ca
Maybe I don't spend enough time here but I don't even know what this means. lol

Really? Go watch the Microsoft E3 press conference :lol:

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#48 LegatoSkyheart
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Nintendo is facing a huge Hardcore Fan Backlash with their little Announcement they made earlier (only for NOA), Sony has had a critical Backlash too with Internet Secerity, and Microsoft can't seem to understand who is their fanbase anymore.

Gaming in America. Yeah!......

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What, what, what? Did I miss something? :?
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#50 NeonNinja
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I disagree, I think all three have decided to focus on both markets, with Sony having always aimed for both, MS now skewing more towards casual and Nintendo now skewing more towards hardcore.

But Nintendo are the ones with the best vision thus far for me.