Dear "Console v PC" debate:

So yesterday, I spent all day trying to figure out an issue with my dad's copy of GRAW2. From one match to the next, he went from perfectly fine to receiving an Invalid CD Key error. We had bought the game from Direct2Drive before they were bought out by Gamefly, and hadn't ever had a problem until now. I spent the whole day reading up on forums, uninstalling/reinstalling, I even considered looking up a key generator. In the end, I bit the bullet and bought a new copy of the game from bestbuy.com. Didn't bother downloading or anything, I just used the new CD key and everything was just honky dory. 5 hours and 8 dollars later. I've never had that kind of trouble from my 360. Just sayin'. P.S: for some reason, a factory built PC from 2011 can't run a game from 2007 smoothly. I was grossly misinformed as to the superiority of the PC as a gaming platform. Again, just sayin'.El_Zo1212o

So you think a platform is bad because you are computer illiterate?

lol

This should be fun.

Sounds like a lot of trouble just to play a game.

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[QUOTE="El_Zo1212o"]So yesterday, I spent all day trying to figure out an issue with my dad's copy of GRAW2. From one match to the next, he went from perfectly fine to receiving an Invalid CD Key error. We had bought the game from Direct2Drive before they were bought out by Gamefly, and hadn't ever had a problem until now. I spent the whole day reading up on forums, uninstalling/reinstalling, I even considered looking up a key generator. In the end, I bit the bullet and bought a new copy of the game from bestbuy.com. Didn't bother downloading or anything, I just used the new CD key and everything was just honky dory. 5 hours and 8 dollars later. I've never had that kind of trouble from my 360. Just sayin'. P.S: for some reason, a factory built PC from 2011 can't run a game from 2007 smoothly. I was grossly misinformed as to the superiority of the PC as a gaming platform. Again, just sayin'.tenaka2

So you think a platform is bad because you are computer illiterate?

im intrigued as to how he's computer illiterate, considering what he's said.

Seems like pisspoor damage control from you instead.

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Ballroompirate

I can't get my PC to run Deus Ex Invisible War. When I asked for help I was told my PC was smart. Can't argue with that logic.

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[QUOTE="El_Zo1212o"]So yesterday, I spent all day trying to figure out an issue with my dad's copy of GRAW2. From one match to the next, he went from perfectly fine to receiving an Invalid CD Key error. We had bought the game from Direct2Drive before they were bought out by Gamefly, and hadn't ever had a problem until now. I spent the whole day reading up on forums, uninstalling/reinstalling, I even considered looking up a key generator. In the end, I bit the bullet and bought a new copy of the game from bestbuy.com. Didn't bother downloading or anything, I just used the new CD key and everything was just honky dory. 5 hours and 8 dollars later. I've never had that kind of trouble from my 360. Just sayin'. P.S: for some reason, a factory built PC from 2011 can't run a game from 2007 smoothly. I was grossly misinformed as to the superiority of the PC as a gaming platform. Again, just sayin'.razgriz_101

So you think a platform is bad because you are computer illiterate?

im intrigued as to how he's computer illiterate, considering what he's said.

Seems like pisspoor damage control from you instead.

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Bigboi500

That and they are probably used to getting the cold shoulder from using too many computer ***** innuendos lol.

"Look at the processors on her"

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Ballroompirate

That and they are probably used to getting the cold shoulder from using too many computer ***** innuendos lol.

"Look at the processors on her"

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So you think a platform is bad because you are computer illiterate?

DragonfireXZ95

im intrigued as to how he's computer illiterate, considering what he's said.

Seems like pisspoor damage control from you instead.

Not to mention the post itself is just anecdotal rubbish to begin with.

Sounds like a lot of trouble just to play a game.

Bigboi500

[QUOTE="razgriz_101"]He may not be computer illiterate, however he is gaming PC illiterate. If you can't read specs and know how specs work, then you probably shouldn't be buying factory built PCs to play games on.DragonfireXZ95

You're addressing the secondary issue. The primary issue is that one day the CD key that allows me to play online works, and the next day it doesn't. There appears to be no way to resolve the issue, so I'm forced to hunt down a new digital copy of the game(not as easy as it sounds) just for the key. And yet, whenever I come 'round here, PC gamers always tell me that playing PC games is as simple and hassle-free as playing console games. As the great sage once said, "... that's a 'liar, liar, pants on fire' situation."El_Zo1212o

Your post isnt credible its just anecdotal drivel see below.

I had a 360 but it electrocuted my pet rabbit and burned down my house, I got another one but it got RROD after being on for 5 minutes, the third one I got wouldn't even start!

[QUOTE="El_Zo1212o"]

You're addressing the secondary issue. The primary issue is that one day the CD key that allows me to play online works, and the next day it doesn't. There appears to be no way to resolve the issue, so I'm forced to hunt down a new digital copy of the game(not as easy as it sounds) just for the key. And yet, whenever I come 'round here, PC gamers always tell me that playing PC games is as simple and hassle-free as playing console games. As the great sage once said, "... that's a 'liar, liar, pants on fire' situation."tenaka2

Your post isnt credible its just anecdotal drivel see below.

I had a 360 but it electrocuted my pet rabbit and burned down my house, I got another one but it got RROD after being on for 5 minutes, the third one I got wouldn't even start!

So yesterday, I spent all day trying to figure out an issue with my dad's copy of GRAW2. From one match to the next, he went from perfectly fine to receiving an Invalid CD Key error. We had bought the game from Direct2Drive before they were bought out by Gamefly, and hadn't ever had a problem until now. I spent the whole day reading up on forums, uninstalling/reinstalling, I even considered looking up a key generator. In the end, I bit the bullet and bought a new copy of the game from bestbuy.com. Didn't bother downloading or anything, I just used the new CD key and everything was just honky dory. 5 hours and 8 dollars later. I've never had that kind of trouble from my 360. Just sayin'. P.S: for some reason, a factory built PC from 2011 can't run a game from 2007 smoothly. I was grossly misinformed as to the superiority of the PC as a gaming platform. Again, just sayin'.El_Zo1212o

So doing a little google search, it appears that contacting Ubisoft regarding this issue requires proof of purchase. So, either you lied and pirated the game or someone else pirated the game and got ahold of your key.

The same thing could occur if you purchase a console game that requires registration for online from Gamespy. As they will open new games to verify contents and could just as easily take said keys. I doubt Ubisoft would be any more help in this situation either.

Then again, I've never had this problem on any system I own, tough luck on your part I guess.

Regardering your PS; I could purchase a new outta the box xbox in 2012, but I wouldn't expect it to run 360 games from 2006.

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[QUOTE="El_Zo1212o"]

You're addressing the secondary issue. The primary issue is that one day the CD key that allows me to play online works, and the next day it doesn't. There appears to be no way to resolve the issue, so I'm forced to hunt down a new digital copy of the game(not as easy as it sounds) just for the key. And yet, whenever I come 'round here, PC gamers always tell me that playing PC games is as simple and hassle-free as playing console games. As the great sage once said, "... that's a 'liar, liar, pants on fire' situation."El_Zo1212o

Your post isnt credible its just anecdotal drivel see below.

I had a 360 but it electrocuted my pet rabbit and burned down my house, I got another one but it got RROD after being on for 5 minutes, the third one I got wouldn't even start!

Yeah, well it could be I guess, or it could be fake, or you could have been mistaken in your own actions, potentially. What did support say?

pc sucks confirmed

"I had problems running one game on PC, therefore all PC games are have tons of issues and are terrible, and console master race has perfect games that never have problems running ever."

Kay.

[QUOTE="El_Zo1212o"]yakyakyakslimjimbadboy

So doing a little google search, it appears that contacting Ubisoft regarding this issue requires proof of purchase. So, either you lied and pirated the game or someone else pirated the game and got ahold of your key.

The same thing could occur if you purchase a console game that requires registration for online from Gamespy. As they will open new games to verify contents and could just as easily take said keys. I doubt Ubisoft would be any more help in this situation either.

Then again, I've never had this problem on any system I own, tough luck on your part I guess.

Regardering your PS; I could purchase a new outta the box xbox in 2012, but I wouldn't expect it to run 360 games from 2006.

Agree with you points somewhat , I am mainly a pc gamer and have ps3 too. I buy all games on pc and exclusives only for ps3 because of the difference of the two is huge. I bought a ps3 by the saved money of games which I bought very cheaply through stores or steam sale etc. I bought Deus ex human revolution for just 7.5 $ . Can you say the same for consoles. No. I know pc hardware is more expensive but still you manage to save more money and it is more fun because of better graphics and you can also play pc games through xbox 360 controller plus pc games have a larger online base. I would suggest you to try steam for online purchases. You wont have a problem.neo_87

Yeah, but I trade moderately better graphics(and, I suppose, insane deals on new games) for ease of use, and I do it gladly.

As far as the xbox/360 comment, I've grown up playing console games and so I understand the concept of console generations. I wouldn't have made that mistake even if they were still making Xboxes in '12

El_Zo1212o

That goes without saying. However my point was that you can't expect a lowend PC to play games on par with gaming PCs regardless of what year it was purchased the same as playing 360 games on the original xboxs. :p

"I had problems running one game on PC, therefore all PC games are have tons of issues and are terrible, and console master race has perfect games that never have problems running ever."

Kay.

Vaasman

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"I had problems running one game on PC, therefore all PC games are have tons of issues and are terrible, and console master race has perfect games that never have problems running ever."

Kay.

El_Zo1212o

If you have trouble with every single PC game (unlikely), then why continue and punish yourself and try to game on PC. It seems unlikely that a person who has trouble with every single game woulds persist on any platform.

You are also suggesting that you buy copies of games for both PC and console based on this 'they never ran as easily nor as smoothly as they did on consoles'.

Again seems unlikely, you are not very believable.

[QUOTE="El_Zo1212o"]So yesterday, I spent all day trying to figure out an issue with my dad's copy of GRAW2. From one match to the next, he went from perfectly fine to receiving an Invalid CD Key error. We had bought the game from Direct2Drive before they were bought out by Gamefly, and hadn't ever had a problem until now. I spent the whole day reading up on forums, uninstalling/reinstalling, I even considered looking up a key generator. In the end, I bit the bullet and bought a new copy of the game from bestbuy.com. Didn't bother downloading or anything, I just used the new CD key and everything was just honky dory. 5 hours and 8 dollars later. I've never had that kind of trouble from my 360. Just sayin'. P.S: for some reason, a factory built PC from 2011 can't run a game from 2007 smoothly. I was grossly misinformed as to the superiority of the PC as a gaming platform. Again, just sayin'.tenaka2

So you think a platform is bad because you are computer illiterate?

Yeah, I think the tc is computer illiterate. Just Saiyan.

At least when a PC game doesn't work, there are usually some fixes. When a game stays around 20 FPS and turns into a slideshow, you're **** out of luck unless the devs decides to release a patch (which can take months)

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Bigboi500

they try to hard

Both my PS3 and 360 died on me (absolutely true) therefor all console gaming sucks. *thread logic*

Seriously, I have never had an issue like this. The few issues I have had were fairly simple to fix. And it's not like there aren't issues with console games....the only difference is, you usually can't do anything about it.

[QUOTE="El_Zo1212o"][QUOTE="Vaasman"] The (admittedly short) list of games I've played on PC: Grand Theft Auto 3, Stubbs the Zombie, American McGee's Alice, The Punisher, Counter Strike, Diablo 2, City of Heroes+Villains, Ghost Recon, GRAW2, ARMA2. None of them has ever been as simple as "Install. Play." And when I did get them to work, they never ran as easily nor as smoothly as they did on consoles.tenaka2

If you have trouble with every single PC game (unlikely), then why continue and punish yourself and try to game on PC. It seems unlikely that a person who has trouble with every single game woulds persist on any platform.

You are also suggesting that you buy copies of games for both PC and console based on this 'they never ran as easily nor as smoothly as they did on consoles'.

Again seems unlikely, you are not very believable.

Yeah, I think the tc is computer illiterate. Just Saiyan. Bikouchu35

[QUOTE="Vaasman"]

"I had problems running one game on PC, therefore all PC games are have tons of issues and are terrible, and console master race has perfect games that never have problems running ever."

Kay.

El_Zo1212o

I won't argue that PC is more work but the only reasons you wouldn't get better performance are you don't know what you're doing or you computer is a PoS. Or both.

Let me guess, you're playing on a brand name computer. I'll guess it's a dell. You know what a graphics driver is? Maybe how to run compatability for older games?

I won't argue that PC is more work but the only reasons you wouldn't get better performance are you don't know what you're doing or you computer is a PoS. Or both.

Vaasman

[QUOTE="Vaasman"]Let me guess, you're playing on a brand name computer. I'll guess it's a dell. You know what a graphics driver is? Maybe how to run compatability for older games?

I won't argue that PC is more work but the only reasons you wouldn't get better performance are you don't know what you're doing or you computer is a PoS. Or both.

El_Zo1212o

Stick with consoles, is does help to have at least basic knowledge to get the emost from PC gaming.

PC's give tons of problems, i only use it to go on the internet, that's what it does best. But gaming should be done on consoles.

It's an HP, actually. And I figured it went without saying that I have almost no idea what I'm doing. What I take exception to in these debates has always been the claim that PC gaming is as easy as console gaming, or that ease of use is not a valid argument for consoliers. As far as graphics drivers and specs, that stuff's all greek to me. I bought the damned thing because(shame on me for believing) I was told it could play any modern PC game, and my dad only plays older games.El_Zo1212o

You research before buying something, not blindly buy a piece of tech. that you have no idea about. And do you usually do what people tell you to do without thinking it trough? Give me a break, you're either a bad troll, or an idiot.

PC gaming is the ultimate way to frustrate yourself, just move all gaming to consoles and just game than get a nervous breakdown

[QUOTE="Vaasman"]Let me guess, you're playing on a brand name computer. I'll guess it's a dell. You know what a graphics driver is? Maybe how to run compatability for older games?

I won't argue that PC is more work but the only reasons you wouldn't get better performance are you don't know what you're doing or you computer is a PoS. Or both.

El_Zo1212o

Actual decent PC gaming is worth the effort, I love my PC like it's my kin. It's fun to play, I like the case, I love the quality and graphics and customization. Putting a lot into it means you get a lot out.

Basically it's like a car. If you know a lot about cars, buy a nice one, take the time and effort to keep it tuned, you get a lot out of it. If you just buy a stock car off the lot and don't think about it, well it's just a car then.

By the way in this analogy consoles are a bicycle.

PC gaming is the ultimate way to frustrate yourself, just move all gaming to consoles and just game than get a nervous breakdown

loosingENDS

lol this from the guy claiming to be developing games on PC.

Actually having seen your game it makes a lot of sense that you have no clue about PCs :D

Coincidentally I bought Ghost Recon Advanced Warfighter 2 2 days ago for $2.50 from Steam. Do you know how complicated it was to play it? I'll take you through the steps, one by one;

1 - Buy game

2 - Press "install" button

3 - Press play button

That was it. So I have no idea how you've managed to mess this up. Either way, I suggest in future, you just buy your games from Steam.

As for GRAW2's system requirements;

• Windows XP SP1, 1 GB RAM, ATIRadeon X850or NVIDIAGeForce 5500 FX,DirectX9.0c, DirectX 9.0 Soundcard compatible.

• Windows Vista, 3 GB RAM, ATIRadeon HD2400or NVIDIA8800 GTX, DirectX 10.0,CreativeSoundblaster X-Fi.

The minimum requirements for this game are the equivalent of a £50 PC. The recommended requirements are the equivalent of a PC worth around £100. So I have no idea what you managed to buy, but clearly you got conned. Understand that the recommended requirements are for a resolution far higher than either console used for this game and for settings far higher than either console used for this game.

So all I can conclude from this post is that you are either got conned and bought a terrible PC (I'd love you to post the specs of the one you bought) and on top of that you are grossly incompetent. If you are going to buy a PC DD game, buy it on Steam, you will never have to deal with entering a CD key on installation.

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parkurtommo

Wow.

And PC gamers are the elitists?

Noithing but a bunch of consolites doing nothing but hurling personal insluts at Pc gamers.

You do realize that outside your little circle of console gamers, throwing persona insults around, rather than actually engaging in an intelligent debate, means you've already lost the argument, right?

You poeple are nothign but elitist, hypocritical jerks.

[QUOTE="parkurtommo"][QUOTE="Bigboi500"]Maybe this will work: No wonder hermits don't have time to bathe and date.

Bigboi500

throwing persona insults around, rather than actually engaging in an intelligent debate, means you've already lost the argument, right?

You poeple are nothign but elitist, hypocritical jerks.

Kinthalis

I don't see how PC gaming is anything but a worthless waste of money

the people who debate own a console

almost 99% of them own a console

they get more junk games then the freaking Wii got

there mouse pointer is a Wii mote which makes games easier

i don't understand ... sometimes i think they just got sucked up in the forum talk n got one so they can run to PC is the best my games are pretty

i don't understand ... sometimes i think they just got sucked up in the forum talk n got one so they can run to PC is the best my games are pretty

ebrezzy1

Consolite please, buy a pc then hook up to a tv or six tv play skyrim with mod hd packs then switch back to ps3. I "think" doesnt make a good point. Actually seeing both sides does.

Wow.

And PC gamers are the elitists?

Noithing but a bunch of consolites doing nothing but hurling personal insluts at Pc gamers.

You do realize that outside your little circle of console gamers, throwing persona insults around, rather than actually engaging in an intelligent debate, means you've already lost the argument, right?

You poeple are nothign but elitist, hypocritical jerks.

Kinthalis

Isn't "consolite" a sort of insult too?

And it was "the master race" that called TC "computer illiterate" in this thread.