Dear "Console v PC" debate:

[QUOTE="MBirdy88"][QUOTE="RyanShazam"]I feel for you. I always see hermits saying that you can play most PC games on High setting with a $400 computer and what not. I bought a $1000 gaming rig from newegg 2 years ago and I can't play most games on high setting without lag or these strange lines running through my screen. Hermits are very misleading IMO. I feel that if you bought an up to date PC you should be able to play a game from 2007 no problem. Unfortunately that is not true.RyanShazam

[QUOTE="RyanShazam"]I feel for you. I always see hermits saying that you can play most PC games on High setting with a $400 computer and what not. I bought a $1000 gaming rig from newegg 2 years ago and I can't play most games on high setting without lag or these strange lines running through my screen. Hermits are very misleading IMO. I feel that if you bought an up to date PC you should be able to play a game from 2007 no problem. Unfortunately that is not true.blue_hazy_basic

If you spent a grand your PC should rock, I fear its not hermits fault you bought a dud.

[QUOTE="blue_hazy_basic"]

[QUOTE="RyanShazam"]I feel for you. I always see hermits saying that you can play most PC games on High setting with a $400 computer and what not. I bought a $1000 gaming rig from newegg 2 years ago and I can't play most games on high setting without lag or these strange lines running through my screen. Hermits are very misleading IMO. I feel that if you bought an up to date PC you should be able to play a game from 2007 no problem. Unfortunately that is not true.RyanShazam

If you spent a grand your PC should rock, I fear its not hermits fault you bought a dud.

[QUOTE="RyanShazam"][QUOTE="blue_hazy_basic"] What's your specs? Unfortunately not all PC's are created equal and its very easy to buy a machine for too much money that was never intended to game on.

If you spent a grand your PC should rock, I fear its not hermits fault you bought a dud.

mitu123

[QUOTE="mitu123"]

[QUOTE="RyanShazam"]I can't get the actuall specs right now but it was an IBuyPower rig from Newegg. I went into the PC forums and had some OC fans recommend some prebuilt rigs and choose what I though would be best out of the ones recomended. RyanShazam

> anecdotal evidence

Yeah, no.

[QUOTE="RyanShazam"][QUOTE="blue_hazy_basic"] What is it? Link it.blue_hazy_basic

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16824236059

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16883227319

This is my set up.

[QUOTE="blue_hazy_basic"][QUOTE="RyanShazam"] I'm running on my IPhone right now. Last time I checked they didn't sell it anymore since I did buy it two years ago. When I get a chance I will list the specs for you.RyanShazam

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16824236059

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16883227319

This is my set up.

Radeon HD 6850

There's the problem. Let me explain the numbering system here to help you out a little bit.

It's the second-to-last number you need to be looking at (the 5 in this case). 5 is exactly what is sounds like...mid-range. Not powerful, not exactly weak, but just-so.

For gaming you really want to be looking at 7+.

Drop a new video card in there and you'll be fine for a bit yet.

[QUOTE="blue_hazy_basic"][QUOTE="RyanShazam"] I'm running on my IPhone right now. Last time I checked they didn't sell it anymore since I did buy it two years ago. When I get a chance I will list the specs for you.RyanShazam

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16824236059

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16883227319

This is my set up.

PC's give tons of problems, i only use it to go on the internet, that's what it does best. But gaming should be done on consoles.

Davekeeh

[QUOTE="RyanShazam"]

[QUOTE="blue_hazy_basic"] The only reason i ask is when i was buying a laptop on newegg saw all these laptops promising crap with integrated cards, so waiting for a while until a decent one became available on sale without some sh!tty "HD card" in it. Its not a powerhouse but can run most games at high (haven't tried any super high end games on it, but have had no trouble with anything on it at all.... except FONV)br0kenrabbit

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16824236059

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16883227319

This is my set up.

Radeon HD 6850

There's the problem. Let me explain the numbering system here to help you out a little bit.

It's the second-to-last number you need to be looking at (the 5 in this case). 5 is exactly what is sounds like...mid-range. Not powerful, not exactly weak, but just-so.

For gaming you really want to be looking at 7+.

Drop a new video card in there and you'll be fine for a bit yet.

So if i drop like 150-200 on a new video card I should be prime? Should I stick with Radeon or could I get something else?

.

[QUOTE="RyanShazam"]

[QUOTE="blue_hazy_basic"] The only reason i ask is when i was buying a laptop on newegg saw all these laptops promising crap with integrated cards, so waiting for a while until a decent one became available on sale without some sh!tty "HD card" in it. Its not a powerhouse but can run most games at high (haven't tried any super high end games on it, but have had no trouble with anything on it at all.... except FONV)br0kenrabbit

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16824236059

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16883227319

This is my set up.

Radeon HD 6850

There's the problem. Let me explain the numbering system here to help you out a little bit.

It's the second-to-last number you need to be looking at (the 5 in this case). 5 is exactly what is sounds like...mid-range. Not powerful, not exactly weak, but just-so.

For gaming you really want to be looking at 7+.

Drop a new video card in there and you'll be fine for a bit yet.

[QUOTE="br0kenrabbit"]

[QUOTE="RyanShazam"]

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16824236059

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16883227319

This is my set up.

blue_hazy_basic

Radeon HD 6850

There's the problem. Let me explain the numbering system here to help you out a little bit.

It's the second-to-last number you need to be looking at (the 5 in this case). 5 is exactly what is sounds like...mid-range. Not powerful, not exactly weak, but just-so.

For gaming you really want to be looking at 7+.

Drop a new video card in there and you'll be fine for a bit yet.

If you're okay with turning some options down, sure. I'm taking it he wasn't to max as much as he reasonably can.

[QUOTE="blue_hazy_basic"][QUOTE="RyanShazam"] I'm running on my IPhone right now. Last time I checked they didn't sell it anymore since I did buy it two years ago. When I get a chance I will list the specs for you.RyanShazam

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16824236059

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16883227319

This is my set up.

[QUOTE="blue_hazy_basic"][QUOTE="br0kenrabbit"]

Radeon HD 6850

There's the problem. Let me explain the numbering system here to help you out a little bit.

It's the second-to-last number you need to be looking at (the 5 in this case). 5 is exactly what is sounds like...mid-range. Not powerful, not exactly weak, but just-so.

For gaming you really want to be looking at 7+.

Drop a new video card in there and you'll be fine for a bit yet.

br0kenrabbit

If you're okay with turning some options down, sure. I'm taking it he wasn't to max as much as he reasonably can.

So if i drop like 150-200 on a new video card I should be prime? Should I stick with Radeon or could I get something else?

RyanShazam

You could. Personally, if I had your rig I'd throw a bit more into it and pick up a 7870, you'll be set even after the new consoles come out and probably well into the mid-game of next gen.

I prefer Radeon myself because no one beats ATI/AMDs whites. nVidia cards have always seemed to have colors that are too soft for me.

[QUOTE="br0kenrabbit"]

[QUOTE="RyanShazam"]

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16824236059

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16883227319

This is my set up.

blue_hazy_basic

Radeon HD 6850

There's the problem. Let me explain the numbering system here to help you out a little bit.

It's the second-to-last number you need to be looking at (the 5 in this case). 5 is exactly what is sounds like...mid-range. Not powerful, not exactly weak, but just-so.

For gaming you really want to be looking at 7+.

Drop a new video card in there and you'll be fine for a bit yet.

[QUOTE="br0kenrabbit"]

[QUOTE="blue_hazy_basic"] That card should be able to cope with most games fine though, outside of some of the most demanding.blue_hazy_basic

If you're okay with turning some options down, sure. I'm taking it he wasn't to max as much as he reasonably can.

The only game that didnt give me a problem was World of Warcraft :)

[QUOTE="br0kenrabbit"]

[QUOTE="blue_hazy_basic"] That card should be able to cope with most games fine though, outside of some of the most demanding.blue_hazy_basic

If you're okay with turning some options down, sure. I'm taking it he wasn't to max as much as he reasonably can.

I thought I read where he said most games run fine. Maybe I'm mistaken on that. If he's having trouble with most games, I'd be looking at drivers and background processes.

[QUOTE="blue_hazy_basic"][QUOTE="br0kenrabbit"]

If you're okay with turning some options down, sure. I'm taking it he wasn't to max as much as he reasonably can.

br0kenrabbit

I thought I read where he said most games run fine. Maybe I'm mistaken on that. If he's having trouble with most games, I'd be looking at drivers and background processes.

Ive played World of Warcaft Maxed and it was fine.

I played Crysis and Crysis Warhead on high with lag and Screen Tear

I played The Witcher on High with lag and Screen Tear

I played World in Conflict on Max with lag.

[QUOTE="br0kenrabbit"]

[QUOTE="blue_hazy_basic"] Even then, most games (outside of graphic heavy shooters) should run at high without lag or screen tearing. He was having problems with most gamesRyanShazam

I thought I read where he said most games run fine. Maybe I'm mistaken on that. If he's having trouble with most games, I'd be looking at drivers and background processes.

Ive played World of Warcaft Maxed and it was fine.

I played Crysis and Crysis Warhead on high with lag and Screen Tear

I played The Witcher on High with lag and Screen Tear

I played World in Conflict on Max with lag.

[QUOTE="RyanShazam"]

[QUOTE="blue_hazy_basic"] The only reason i ask is when i was buying a laptop on newegg saw all these laptops promising crap with integrated cards, so waiting for a while until a decent one became available on sale without some sh!tty "HD card" in it. Its not a powerhouse but can run most games at high (haven't tried any super high end games on it, but have had no trouble with anything on it at all.... except FONV)RAD_RADIO

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16824236059

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16883227319

This is my set up.

I bought it on January 7, 2011. As I said the computer was recomended to me by people in the PC forums.

[QUOTE="RyanShazam"]

[QUOTE="br0kenrabbit"]

I thought I read where he said most games run fine. Maybe I'm mistaken on that. If he's having trouble with most games, I'd be looking at drivers and background processes.

blue_hazy_basic

Ive played World of Warcaft Maxed and it was fine.

I played Crysis and Crysis Warhead on high with lag and Screen Tear

I played The Witcher on High with lag and Screen Tear

I played World in Conflict on Max with lag.

I upgraded them a while ago but I havent gamed on my PC in a while either. Once I get internet at my pad again I'll look into it and do some updates.

[QUOTE="br0kenrabbit"]

[QUOTE="blue_hazy_basic"] Even then, most games (outside of graphic heavy shooters) should run at high without lag or screen tearing. He was having problems with most gamesRyanShazam

I thought I read where he said most games run fine. Maybe I'm mistaken on that. If he's having trouble with most games, I'd be looking at drivers and background processes.

Ive played World of Warcaft Maxed and it was fine.

I played Crysis and Crysis Warhead on high with lag and Screen Tear

I played The Witcher on High with lag and Screen Tear

I played World in Conflict on Max with lag.

Jeeze, I played WiC on my old 3870 way back when in DX9 mode and didn't have any issues.

You said you had lines in the screen. Do they show up on screenshots? Yes/no would tell me a lot.

[QUOTE="RyanShazam"]

[QUOTE="br0kenrabbit"]

I thought I read where he said most games run fine. Maybe I'm mistaken on that. If he's having trouble with most games, I'd be looking at drivers and background processes.

br0kenrabbit

Ive played World of Warcaft Maxed and it was fine.

I played Crysis and Crysis Warhead on high with lag and Screen Tear

I played The Witcher on High with lag and Screen Tear

I played World in Conflict on Max with lag.

Jeeze, I played WiC on my old 3870 way back when in DX9 mode and didn't have any issues.

You said you had lines in the screen. Do they show up on screenshots? Yes/no would tell me a lot.

They mainly happen during cutscenes or when something intense is happening on screen.

They mainly happen during cutscenes or when something intense is happening on screen.

RyanShazam

Vertical or horizontal? If horizontal, it's most likely screen tearing. If verticle, you have problems.

Now, another thing that can cause games to lag (and artifact) is heat. Have you cleaned the inside of your PC recently? Have you taken the video card out and cleaned the intake and heatsink on it? (Hold the fan in place if you're spraying air down it to clean it out, a spinning fan will produce an electric current that could damage the card). Have you used any utility to check your running temps?

Something else I would suggest is uninstalling that bloatware CCC and installing http://www.radeonpro.info/en-US/ instead.

[QUOTE="blue_hazy_basic"][QUOTE="RyanShazam"] I'm running on my IPhone right now. Last time I checked they didn't sell it anymore since I did buy it two years ago. When I get a chance I will list the specs for you.RyanShazam

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16824236059

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16883227319

This is my set up.

[QUOTE="RyanShazam"]

[QUOTE="blue_hazy_basic"] The only reason i ask is when i was buying a laptop on newegg saw all these laptops promising crap with integrated cards, so waiting for a while until a decent one became available on sale without some sh!tty "HD card" in it. Its not a powerhouse but can run most games at high (haven't tried any super high end games on it, but have had no trouble with anything on it at all.... except FONV)mitu123

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16824236059

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16883227319

This is my set up.

[QUOTE="mitu123"]

[QUOTE="RyanShazam"]

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16824236059

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16883227319

This is my set up.

Grey_Eyed_Elf

[QUOTE="br0kenrabbit"]

[QUOTE="4dr1el"]

and thats exactly what I do. I always unplug my electronic devices when I'm not using them.

And breaking game discs? Only if you dont know how to treat your stuff. I've more then 100 discs (including CD, DVD, Blu-ray) and NEVER had a disc broken on me. And what do you do when you feel to take those steam games to a friends house? Thats right. You cant!

4dr1el

I've never broken a game disc myself, but my nephews have broke more than a few! Kids.

And I don't have to TAKE my Steam games to a friends house, all I have to do is log onto my Steam account on his PC and there they are, cloud saves and everything!

Physical media...pffftt....the 20th Century is so 13 years ago.

Yeah, but your friends still has to install the game no? so thats another inconvenience right there. I know some console games require instalation, especially on PS3 but not all as in the case of all PC games. A game like Uncharted or CoD and, imo, the best games to play split screen on consoles, are just plug and play and do not require any instalation at all

Dont lie, every ps3 game I have tried to play went through a 2 hour update to patch the damned things.

I've never had that kind of trouble from my 360. Just sayin'.El_Zo1212o

[QUOTE="br0kenrabbit"]

[QUOTE="blue_hazy_basic"] Even then, most games (outside of graphic heavy shooters) should run at high without lag or screen tearing. He was having problems with most gamesRyanShazam

I thought I read where he said most games run fine. Maybe I'm mistaken on that. If he's having trouble with most games, I'd be looking at drivers and background processes.

Ive played World of Warcaft Maxed and it was fine.

I played Crysis and Crysis Warhead on high with lag and Screen Tear

I played The Witcher on High with lag and Screen Tear

I played World in Conflict on Max with lag.

...Try vertical sync? Upgrade the video drivers? As well as getting the newest bios update?

Why are you trying to play on high again? Play on medium or low. My god. You shouldn't even be PC gaming with complaining like this.

[QUOTE="El_Zo1212o"]I've never had that kind of trouble from my 360. Just sayin'.gamebreakerz__

[QUOTE="gamebreakerz__"][QUOTE="El_Zo1212o"]I've never had that kind of trouble from my 360. Just sayin'.El_Zo1212o

Your opinion about the failure rate is not relevant, point is that the hardware is god awful and has a much higher failure rate then PC.

[QUOTE="El_Zo1212o"] That 48% means nothing to me since the only 360 that ever failed on me I didn't pay for(a hand me down arcade console from my brother). My other 2 360's may have hiccupped here or there, but they never failed on me entirely. Now I wonder- have you ever had a gaming rig that went 7 years without needing a single hardware upgrade and could still play the newest games without a hitch?tenaka2

Your opinion about the failure rate is not relevant, point is that the hardware is god awful and has a much higher failure rate then PC.

Plus, a gaming PC only needs to be upgraded if you want to take advantage of the better PC graphics. You could build a good system in 2006, and not upgrade it, and it would run the newest games fine.. on graphics settings that looked like the consoles.. As for the OP, I don't know what to say about the CD Key problem with GRAW. Never played that game, and never had a similar problem with anything else.

Also.

P.S: for some reason, a factory built PC from 2011 can't run a game from 2007 smoothly. I was grossly misinformed as to the superiority of the PC as a gaming platform.El_Zo1212o

"Factory built PC from 2011" doesn't say anything about its specs. You can buy a "factory built PC" right now, that has literally no graphics card, but integrated MOBO graphics, and yeah, you can't expect a system like that to run pretty much anything less than 10 years old, especially anything that has any real lighting/shadow/particle effects. But, the exact same system with even a cheap video card would do much much better.

[QUOTE="gamebreakerz__"][QUOTE="El_Zo1212o"]I've never had that kind of trouble from my 360. Just sayin'.El_Zo1212o

[QUOTE="gamebreakerz__"][QUOTE="El_Zo1212o"]I've never had that kind of trouble from my 360. Just sayin'.El_Zo1212o

My PC is much more powerful than the 360. In a 100 years time it will still be more powerful (if it hasn't been smashed to pieces by then). Not upgrading your computer doesn't make it get worse, it just won't get any better.

The 360 will remain weak and will never get any better. With the PC you can upgrade it, with a console you have to buy a new one.