Declining 360 Sales in Japan: Is it Dying Out Over There?

[QUOTE="sakura_Ex"]

[QUOTE="peterw007"]

Japan isn't racist per se, but it does have very strong anti-foreigner sentiments.

They hate the Chinese, for example.

percech

And Italians hate Jews,Jews hate Italians,Japanese hate Koreans,Koreans hate Japanese,Irish hate Italians,Italians hate Irish,Indians hate Pakistanis,Pakistanis hate Indians,Whites hate Blacks,Blacks hate Whites,North Korea hates South Korea,South Korea hates North Korea,Chinese hate Japanese,Japanese hate Chinese and etc.

So I don't really see your point.

Japan REALLY doesn't like foreigners living in their country. America on the other hand welcomes foreigners with open arms.

They're not more racist, they just hate foreigners.

The Japanese hate the Chinese just as much as they hate Americans...they're not biased towards any particular race.

Racial discrimination (racism) implies that you like characteristics of a group of ethnicities (Caucasian, Latino, African, Asian, etc.) more than another.

Unless you're referring to racism as ethnicity discrimination, I don't see the problem with my argument.

[QUOTE="percech"][QUOTE="sakura_Ex"]

And Italians hate Jews,Jews hate Italians,Japanese hate Koreans,Koreans hate Japanese,Irish hate Italians,Italians hate Irish,Indians hate Pakistanis,Pakistanis hate Indians,Whites hate Blacks,Blacks hate Whites,North Korea hates South Korea,South Korea hates North Korea,Chinese hate Japanese,Japanese hate Chinese and etc.

So I don't really see your point.

peterw007

Japan REALLY doesn't like foreigners living in their country.

They're not more racist, they just hate foreigners.

The Japanese hate the Chinese just as much as they hate Americans...they're not biased towards any particular race.

Racial discrimination (racism) implies that you like characteristics of a particular type of ethnicities (Caucasian, Latino, African, Asian, etc.) more than another.

Unless you're referring to racism as ethnicity discrimination, I don't see the problem with my argument.

You can't cut it down like that. Them not liking foreigners can be based on the same logic and would only create racial tensions. Nobody wants to tour in Japan because of this. This issue isn't as dry as your definition of racism.percech

They love when foreigners visit and bring money to Japan's economy.

They even love it when students stay in Japan for 6 months on an extended study.

But when you LIVE THERE FULL TIME anywhere but a huge city and attempt to be "one of them," that's where you run into problems.

"Eh because it is not true? :| Calling an entire country racist is not very nice btw".percech

[QUOTE="percech"]"Eh because it is not true? :| Calling an entire country racist is not very nice btw".kuraimen

It's very true. What are you trying to defend here? Japan can do no wrong because they make your favorite video game system? Enjoy: http://www.debito.org/roguesgallery.htmlpercech

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5LCL2IqgjSc

Enjoy.

whats funny is that it has maintained 1200-1500 sales for the past 3-4 years...it doesn't seem to be climbing or going down...Its just always been that small amount of sales outside of the big releases that bump it up to 30k or so...

Its not dying its not dead it just is small.

[QUOTE="VensInferno"]

[QUOTE="MSgamer4lyfe"]

yeah i think the country is definitely biased, if i was MS i would pull out. They are ungrateful to the 360.

MSgamer4lyfe

i do believe that, its ok for them to be biased, but why shouldnt we think differently? MS has tried to cater to the japanese market but I dont think they like an american console. Its all good, just pull out and call it a day.

considering how a lot of Japanese developers supported it and Namco even made Ace combat 6 an exclusive (personally as a huge fan and owner i think this was a silly decision instead of a multiplat) i wouldnt say.

MS has just mishandled the Japanese market full stop and the fact it has become far more handheld centric doesnt help either.If Japanese people were so biased as you claim why would American films,musicians and the odd game top the charts aswell as consumer items like iPod and windows continually being strong sellers aswell as there are other non american products on the market.

Just think about it for a minute, instead of posting some fanboy riddled nonsense.

Was it ever alive?xsatyr86

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5LCL2IqgjSc

Enjoy.

sakura_Ex

That guy Minuteman is a total ignorant idiot. People like him regardless of race are extremely delusional. He goes on about how the other dude should go back to his own country to where he and his ancestors came from, but yet he refuses to acknowledge that he's own background is probably mostly European. It's like the Aryan brotherhood leaders hating on Jews but supposely they have a Jewish background. That in result, is direct self hating and also a contradiction. It's anyone's country for people that live in the USA legally.

[QUOTE="Chutebox"][QUOTE="MSgamer4lyfe"]

not for long as wii already is pulling out for wiiu, its getting smashed in 2011 by 360. Thanks tho.

MSgamer4lyfe

I will and dont be surprised when it comes sooner than later...

whats funny is that it has maintained 1200-1500 sales for the past 3-4 years...it doesn't seem to be climbing or going down...Its just always been that small amount of sales outside of the big releases that bump it up to 30k or so...

Its not dying its not dead it just is small.

WilliamRLBaker

This.

Besides M$ has shown that they don't really need a super-strong showing in Japan to be successful. Hopefully thier plans for that market remain realistic and they don't go on a whole "We'd better mover 30 million units next gen or we're pulling out!" rampage. I'd like to see M$ start some game studios over there (or at least buy one) since it'll maybe add a little bit of variety to thier worldwide offerings.

[QUOTE="MSgamer4lyfe"]

[QUOTE="VensInferno"] pretty hefty words there man. I'd be carefull.

razgriz_101

i do believe that, its ok for them to be biased, but why shouldnt we think differently? MS has tried to cater to the japanese market but I dont think they like an american console. Its all good, just pull out and call it a day.

considering how a lot of Japanese developers supported it and Namco even made Ace combat 6 an exclusive (personally as a huge fan and owner i think this was a silly decision instead of a multiplat) i wouldnt say.

MS has just mishandled the Japanese market full stop and the fact it has become far more handheld centric doesnt help either.If Japanese people were so biased as you claim why would American films,musicians and the odd game top the charts aswell as consumer items like iPod and windows continually being strong sellers aswell as there are other non american products on the market.

Just think about it for a minute, instead of posting some fanboy riddled nonsense.

I keep seeing this pop-up from posters and it begs the question.. why? What else could M$ have possibly done to cater to the Japanese market? It had more Japanese centric RPG's (at one point), Japanese centric titles available, a cheaper price point, and it fixed all of the aesthetic atrocities that was the original XBox... and yet it still sold poorly (1.5 mil) compared to the other two.

[QUOTE="percech"]You can't cut it down like that. Them not liking foreigners can be based on the same logic and would only create racial tensions. Nobody wants to tour in Japan because of this. This issue isn't as dry as your definition of racism.peterw007

They love when foreigners visit and bring money to Japan's economy.

They even love it when students stay in Japan for 6 months on an extended study.

But when you LIVE THERE FULL TIME anywhere but a huge city and attempt to be "one of them," that's where you run into problems.

Exactly. Western products never do well in the Far East. They ARE xenophobic. That's not to say they burn effigies of white people or anything, they are just cautious of other cultures.

They even shun things from countries closer to home; e.g. when Microsoft set up Xbox 360 demos stands in shops, they use Samsung TVs. In Japan, it's no different except they had to cover up the Samsung logo because it's a Korean brand.

MS can push and push it'sa lost cause in my eyes. They should delegate all the resources they save from pulling out of Japan elsewhere, instead of effectively flushing it down the toilet.

^ There are some benefits to having at least a presence in Japan, though. Yeah, the sales are abysmal, but at least they have a foothold that allows them to get in with Japanese devs, tech companies, press, etc. The expectations for the market just have to be lowered, is all.

The 360 in JP was on life support from birth but no matter how much money and resources MS used to get them to buy, they just refused thus far and I don't see that changing. :?

To people saying that 360 had tons of JRPG/Japanese devsupport - probably not as much you think.

I wouldn't be surprised if only 10% of Japanese games are released stateside. Just looking at the weekly charts posted by charizard, you'd see 10-15 titles which has no NA/EU release.

[QUOTE="sakura_Ex"]

[QUOTE="peterw007"]

Japan isn't racist per se, but it does have very strong anti-foreigner sentiments.

They hate the Chinese, for example.

percech

And Italians hate Jews,Jews hate Italians,Japanese hate Koreans,Koreans hate Japanese,Irish hate Italians,Italians hate Irish,Indians hate Pakistanis,Pakistanis hate Indians,Whites hate Blacks,Blacks hate Whites,North Korea hates South Korea,South Korea hates North Korea,Chinese hate Japanese,Japanese hate Chinese and etc.

So I don't really see your point.

The Japanese will buy Western stuff that have no real competition for such as MS OSes, Apple products, military hardware...... They have plenty of competition for the XBox 360. They tend to favor products from home whenever possible.

It's just like Koreans and Hyundai. The Excel was a pretty crappy car. Yet, many Koreans bought them in droves.

Note: Change batteries in wireless keyboard.

The Japanese will buy Western stuff that have no real competition for such as MS OSes, Apple products, military hardware...... They have plenty of competition for the XBox 360. They tend to favor products from home whenever possible.

It's just like Koreans and Hyundai. The Excel was a pretty crappy car. Yet, many Koreans bought them in droves.

Note: Change batteries in wireless keyboard.

jun_aka_pekto

Is it me or did the lady who did the article on Destructoid seem kinda angry ?sakura_Ex

That's what I was thinking.

She went from XBOX360 is dying in Japan to... "Japan sucks at making games and their economy is collapsing anyway". I guess she's just mad that XBOX didn't do well in Japan.