Delay Station 4 strikes again.

I can wait a month for this masterpiece. I have a lot of games to play in the meantime

Eh its whatever. Going to be very busy during February anyways so its no biggie.

I wish Greatness didn't take so long. :(

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@Bishop1310: Sony has probabl no say seing how it's a 2nd party title. Driveclub however is on them.

I am still wondering where is this amazing games library for Xbone that lems in here claim to see ???

Surely PS4 needs to add a few great exclusives (which are on the way), but so does Xbone..

That is one smart move!

it was crazy that both Bloodborne and The Order were releasing on the same exact month and now that its been delayed by a month to March works perfectly so its 2 exclusives in two separate months one after the other, it was very wrong to have two big exclusives on the same month so again well done this is a very smart move.

spread these games up sony dont release everything on the same month!

Sony sux.

Sorry for my honesty.

Well, what are you waiting for? I expect a video on youtube.

I have never seen a console generation in such damage control as what the Sony fans are now. Kinda sad seeing how much they have to spin for example using PS3 games or Indie games to defend the PS4. The worst is when they use a PS3 indie game which is just doing twice the patheticness,

How you? I'm showing you. You are just DCing and and not accepting just like you were doing over the 4K bullshots of Crapzone that even blind people could see. Every single screen speaks the obvious downgrade. I don't care if the old uniforms are still there in some other cutscene of the game. They are no longer in this part of the game and replaced with less polygons and we all know that before this area had framerate in the single digits. No wonder developers are coming up with the lame excuses of 'teh infiltration' when the gameplay remains exactly the same. Here some more screens for you to get butthurt over:

Dat next generation blackness. What happened to the colors? May be they are going for the old black and white movie look.

@zeeshanhaider: Lmao you are delusional. One scene is more black and now it's less geometry? Lmao it's funny nobody talks downgrade but butthurt trolls in SW. Reminds me of the compressed footage they showed of infamous a week before it came out. And then you all got owned.

My own games? lol. I haven't owned an Xbox since the original Xbox. I just recognize your obsession.

Yeah, the former perfectly rounded edges turned into obvious polygon artifacts has nothing to do with the reduced geometry and the obvious removal of uniforms. It's all caused by teh compressed footage. Nice DC. Loving it. Funny thing is both these images are taken from the direct feed footage.

Ever since the start of this gen and all the sony's over hyping and then their blunders. Just loved it. Dat DC. What happened to your claim of only one picture looking bad? Dat flipflopping. Don't worry soon you will change your argument to only one game looking bad.

So now you are blind? Neither had perfectly round edges. Look at the cuff. The inner sleeve was white while the other is hidden in shadow.

Why didn't post this pic?

http://cdn3.gamepur.com/images/the_order_1886/the_order_1886_comparison2.png

Lmao buh buh teh downgrade.

LOL GTFO!

LOL self ownage. Even that pic is screaming the downgrade. Notice the polygon artifacts on the new build. In the old build there are none. Nothing is hidden in shadow. Dumb dumb. May be your eyes can't se in the black filter. No wonder devs chose it since they had to hide their downgrade. lel. Remain butthurt. Dat 'infiltration' lel.

What an embarrassing list.

Makes it perfectly obvious why Microsoft is forced to hand out 800 'gift bags' to reviewers of their exclusives like Halo:

800 Doillar Halo Review Bribes

"nothing less than a bribe to try to get me to be favorably inclined to accepting the idea that Halo 3 is 'the entertainment event of the year.'"

@zeeshanhaider:

When you first brought up the geometry downgrade, I figured you were just referring to the missing tassels and less complicated (from a geo standpoint) clothing.

But damn, you're right. The cuffs on that guy went from being at least a 12 sided cylinder, if not 16, to an 8 sided one. Granted, maintaining the silhouette on a cuff isn't exactly important, but still you're right.

On the one hand I want to say, hey, great eye spotting that one!... at the same time though, it's kind of weird that you would even notice that. No offense.

@zeeshanhaider: Lmao the old build had more film grain and lower quality textures. You are absolutely delusional. I'm sorry a PS4 title has you so butthurt and jelly. Now go try to find a missing thread in one of there jackets so you can claim downgrade troll.

Thank you, sir. Finally some got it what I was trying to say. From the last whole year I have been trying wrap my hand around high poly 3d modeling to retopologizing meshes for game models. At first glance I could notice the change in resolution of the model. At close inspection it isn't hard to notice the areas.

Textures and film grain? I thought we were discussing polygon count. I don't even remember ever bringing up textures or film grain. Another one of your failed attempt at flip flop the topic. Just shows that you have nothing left to argue about, sony drone. And so you know the new build has the same amount of film grain and texture resolution. They only changed some textures here and there, idiot.

Seeing how much butthurt it induces in you. I can't wait for the imminent UC4 downgrade like all Sony games. Would be fun rubbing it in your face. So don't get your panties tight just yet.

We are talking about downgrades none of which you can accurately point out. You fail to admit how much better the picture I posted was from the new build to the old build. LOL and Sony downgrades? LMAO they have actually always lived up to what they have shown after the PS3 launch debacle. There is always trolls like you though that will claim downgrade regardless of what happens. They move a light source? Downgrade They change a outfit? Downgrade. Change any color schemes? Downgrade. LMAO its hilarious and pathetic a $400 dollar prebuilt box has you in full butthurt mode. This isn't Ubisoft , Sony usually delivers.

http://www.uploadax.com/images/93808625644199136915.png

You are going to honestly sit there and tell me that doesn't look better then the old build?

@AM-Gamer:

Yeah, sony totally delivers, that's why they have lawsuit against them, I mean they usually delivers like 0/10 times, LOL. Just stop dude, you are embarrassing your sself. It's pathetic how much ass kissing you do for Sony, lel.

It is absolutely hilarious.

The fear The Order is generating in zeeshanhaider is nothing compared to Xbox fans and Killzone 2 last gen.

The day Sony demoed Killzone 2 running with the graphics that matched the reveal trailer it felt like there were going to be mass Xbox fan suicides.

Killzone 2 Trailer Vs. PS3 Realtime

Sony nails it. Let the butthurt bitter tears flow.

There never has been a more epic ownage than Sony's Killzone 2 realtime reveal.

Xbox fans filled their head with BS from sites like beyond3d and others where 'graphics experts'(Microsoft fanboys) spewed endless technobable about how graphics like the reveal trailer had were 'impossible' and that graphics that good would never appear until next gen.

And then Sony delivers what the entire Xbox world claimed was impossibly good graphics right there live on the PS3 to the entire console world.

Meanwhile Microsoft was claiming this hilariously fake bullshot rendered on a development PC by Epic at 5k by 5k rez with 16x AA was realtime Xbox 360 graphics:

@zeeshanhaider: They have lawsuits for misleading gamers? I haven't seen any not recently. Every major company has lawsuits so continue your meltdown by posting more irrelevant bullshit and ignore the picture that destroyed your argument.

@AM-Gamer:

The amount of ass kissing you do for Sony and you haven't heard of the lawsuit on Sony over Crapzone for misleading the resolution. It's perfectly relevant, dumb dumb. And only a blind sony drone could find that dark blurry picture better looking. You can continue with your Sony worship. I'm done talking sense to a shit Sony drone like you. You can't be cured. Though get ready for the imminent UC4 downgrade.

I think lemming scum should keep their mouths shut about delays considering the Xbone has nothing out in the first half of next year to delay.

Know what's really sad? Having Halo ports be the Xbone's big game of 2014 and 343i can't even get that right.

Xbox exclusive Screamride launches in March 2015 http://www.gamespot.com/articles/xbox-exclusive-rollercoaster-game-screamride-launc/1100-6423590/

Edit: meant simply Xbox exclusive

LOL nice one. Shows the sad state of the Xbone's 2015 lineup. Their killer app is a rollercoaster game and even that's a multiplat. First exclusive comes out in like September, "greatness" awaits I guess.

Oh he mad. :P

@scottpsfan14:

:) hahaha.....

:P

Delays, poor games etc. I thought this hardware was going to lead to easy/faster development, what happened?

No one buys a brand new console for indie games, they're just nice little extras.

Ahh, that makes sense then. When you work with mesh regularly, things like that are easy to spot. On that same note, most people inexperienced with modeling would think a downgraded cuff means very little. The problem is though, that the amount of geo that makes up the cuff likely makes its way up the whole arm since it would make no sense to terminate your edge loops into tris right there at the end. Meaning that it's much more than a downgraded cuff and very telling about the manual optimization on the rest of the model.

I can't model high res characters for shit. Programs like Zbrush and Mudbox can go suck a dick, I'm just not a sculptor. I do have a pretty solid understanding of creating clean poly meshes though. I can model low and high poly models pretty well, but mainly hard surface stuff.

On occasion though, I do have to retopo high res character sculpts and scan data for games and animation.

Not sure how far along you are, (you may already know all this) but retopo can be an absolute pain in the ass depending on the software you're using. I started off trying to do it in 3D Studio Max... retopo in Max is probably going to be someones version of hell, it's awful. Then I tried Zbrush with Zsphere retopo. Not as bad as Max, but still terrible. From there I moved onto Topogun. It's very glitchy, but the tools are great. I actually started to enjoy retopo in that program. 3D Coat has a very similar tool set. But then I finally found the heaven that is Modo. Best set of modeling and retopo tools I've ever seen. Heavily endorsed by some of the Pixar modelers, so you know it's good. 3D modeling isn't even my main job, but I enjoyed Modo so much that I bought a personal license.

And whoa, I just realized how long this post is getting.

One more thing, what program do you bake your high to low res in? I use Xnormal. It's free, it's easy to use and it's awesome. I actually learned about that one here on SW oddly enough, this place isn't totally useless. But yeah, you can bake color, normals, AO, and all kinds of other maps in one sweep. It also installs a nice Photoshop filter that allows you to convert height maps to normals quickly which is really nice for creating hard surface paneling among other things.

Pfffffffft. Is that it? A multiplat rollercoaster sim? Old Mother Hubbard's got more in her fucking cupboard than Phil Spencer does.

AMGamer is really urgrateful person, always made me do laborous work. :( But well, you can at least gift me a ship in Star Citizen for my work. :D

Same here only hard surface stuff. I can't scult a character model either.. And I really hate retopolizing meshes. Hwe I first started doing 3D modelling and I completed my first project I was like cool It takes time but I can model things. I modeled a very high res model of a chopper, then I look its next part for the game model and I was like, **** me.....it's like 3 times more work. I need to start again. By the way, I don't really have too much experience in different 3d programs, just 3ds Max and ZBrush as I things for my own game projects and still new to the field of modeling.

Yes, even I use Xnormal for baking stuff. But recently I just came across a tool Called Substance Designer. It's really awesome. Haven't explored it completely but so far I found it superb. It has a photoshop like non detructible workflow and node based compositing tool. Only thing is it's paid. I'm exploring it using a trial version for now. But that tool is really tempting.

@zeeshanhaider:

Yeah man, low poly hard surface can be a real pain in the ass. I actually prefer the high poly workflow, especially when working with subdivisional surfaces. Sometimes it's just damn hard to capture a hard surface silhouette well in the low res. And then the pain of messing with smoothing groups and whatnot. Sometimes if you're baking down a high res to a low res, you can set a single smoothing group on the entire low res model at 180 degrees and the normal map will take care of the rest... sometimes. But as i'm sure you know, there are always unexpected hiccups.

And yeah, Substance Designer looks awesome! Haven't tried it out for myself, but I know it's gaining a lot of footing in the industry. People seem to love it.

I'm throwing all of my texturing eggs in the Mari basket though. It seems to be the go-to program for making huge texture sets for film and animation. It's a bit overkill for game texturing, but still works all the same.

Not telling you to do anything wrong, but.. most people don't pay for software they're just learning how to use and trial periods usually aren't long enough to learn shit. I'd just find a copy online, learn it, and then pay for a license once you're actually generating income off of it.

Lets hope Sony and From have a solid online infrastructure in place on launch, because they can't afford to suffer another 5Club.