Demon's Souls would be better on the PC

not to say that DS on the ps3 is bad.. on the contrary, it's one of my top 5 games this gen.

But I can't help but imagine what it would have been like if it were released on the PC. The mods made for it could give us new levels, we could design new areas to fight the bosses in to change things up, make even stronger enemies, more weapons/spells/miracles, and new challenges.

one of my ideas is an arena mode, where you could fight any number of any enemy. so you could fight 2 flamelurkers, a false king, and 10 BP dual katana skeletons all at once if you wanted. or ramp up the dragon god's difficulty by throwing in a maneater or 2, so you'd have to dodge/attack them while staying hidden from the dragon god (or better yet, get the dragon god to punch at you, then move out of the way so he hits the maneater instead).

another idea is to change up invasions, so that one player becomes the boss (not like 4-3 where you're an avatar. you become the actual boss as in you become the tower knight, the flamelurker, the false king, garl, and so on). and you would have full access to all of their moves. you would be given a stamina/magic bar to keep things fair, of course.

I think changes like those would make the already amazing experience even better, and Demon's Souls would easily be the defining game of this generation.

what do you guys think?

So you basically want a mix between Morrowind and Gothic?

So you basically want a mix between Morrowind and Gothic?

waltefmoney

would be nice to have a higher resolution and steadier frame rate. looks rough sometimes

Well alot of games would be better on the PC :P

not to say that DS on the ps3 is bad.. on the contrary, it's one of my top 5 games this gen.

But I can't help but imagine what it would have been like if it were released on the PC. The mods made for it could give us new levels, we could design new areas to fight the bosses in to change things up, make even stronger enemies, more weapons/spells/miracles, and new challenges.

one of my ideas is an arena mode, where you could fight any number of any enemy. so you could fight 2 flamelurkers, a false king, and 10 BP dual katana skeletons all at once if you wanted. or ramp up the dragon god's difficulty by throwing in a maneater or 2, so you'd have to dodge/attack them while staying hidden from the dragon god (or better yet, get the dragon god to punch at you, then move out of the way so he hits the maneater instead).

another idea is to change up invasions, so that one player becomes the boss (not like 4-3 where you're an avatar. you become the actual boss as in you become the tower knight, the flamelurker, the false king, garl, and so on). and you would have full access to all of their moves. you would be given a stamina/magic bar to keep things fair, of course.

I think changes like those would make the already amazing experience even better, and Demon's Souls would easily be the defining game of this generation.

what do you guys think?

Sword-Demon

[QUOTE="Sword-Demon"]

not to say that DS on the ps3 is bad.. on the contrary, it's one of my top 5 games this gen.

But I can't help but imagine what it would have been like if it were released on the PC. The mods made for it could give us new levels, we could design new areas to fight the bosses in to change things up, make even stronger enemies, more weapons/spells/miracles, and new challenges.

one of my ideas is an arena mode, where you could fight any number of any enemy. so you could fight 2 flamelurkers, a false king, and 10 BP dual katana skeletons all at once if you wanted. or ramp up the dragon god's difficulty by throwing in a maneater or 2, so you'd have to dodge/attack them while staying hidden from the dragon god (or better yet, get the dragon god to punch at you, then move out of the way so he hits the maneater instead).

another idea is to change up invasions, so that one player becomes the boss (not like 4-3 where you're an avatar. you become the actual boss as in you become the tower knight, the flamelurker, the false king, garl, and so on). and you would have full access to all of their moves. you would be given a stamina/magic bar to keep things fair, of course.

I think changes like those would make the already amazing experience even better, and Demon's Souls would easily be the defining game of this generation.

what do you guys think?

iMojo786_PSN

more loot:D

and here I thought hermets didn't want japanese made RPGs because the western RPGs out now are said to be so much better?

Maybe it would be better on the PC, but that didn't stop it from beating out every PC RPG in 2009 for game of the year, and it's still just a console game.

Demon's Souls wouldn't have been better on PC, but at least people would have the option to play it on either one.

Butt consol,e games are inferior.

Right?

While I wouldn't say it would be better, though the graphics could certainly be improved, I would kill for a PC version of Demon's Souls.

Every game could be better on the PC providing it was a decent port over, you can plug a multitude of controllers into a pc so anything is possible :P.

It would be great, but as it was said, a lot of games would benefit from the PC treatment.

The Demon's Souls IP is a Sony IP, so it's up to Sony I guess. There is a new game coming called Project Dark, although Sony won't be co-developing this new IP, so we'll see how that turns out. I know From Software made Ninja Blade and Armored Core, so we'll see what comes of this new game.

Well alot of games would be better on the PC :P

Jesus_on_fire

[QUOTE="SaltyMeatballs"]What game wouldn't be better on PC? Better graphics, possibly better controls and you can use a controller if you want, etc.oajlu

better controls? you mean keyboard? lol, Mouse is good, but keyboard is bad for action gaming....keyboard is desgined to use with 2 hands...notone hand on mouse and only one hand on keyboard for long time usage. It's not ergonomics friendly when you use keyboard in this way. But hey there are human beings in some countries still drinking unclean water, so it might not a big a deal.

Another thing is community. Is wow still fun without large community? no...Online gaming is all about community size. The bigger, the better. You might say company of hero is one of the best RTS games in 5 years, but its community is dead....lol it has like what, 100 ppl playing it online now? Playing against with other players is always more fun than stupid A.I. This is PC's weakness in many genres. PC has strong community in MMORPG and RTS, but other than that, PC has smaller community than console. Lol check PC's MW2 current online number, it's not going to beat either PS3 or 360.

Competition too, if you are looking for a true online gaming compeition, PC is the worst platform. Everyone has different hardware and software setting, how could you get real true and fair competition while one guy's pcis running at 60 frames per secondsat 1080P and the other person haslaggy 10 fps at 720p. That's why PC online gaming hardly tell who really have better skills. Basically 3Dmark benchmark competition...

Moreover, PC games get too many hackers, cheaters, and pirates...I dont like to play with low class behaviour gamers.

I don't know, I think it would really mess with the more dark isolated feel of DS if you could play in some non serious arena and mess with the MP. This is also assuming they don't take away modding abilities as they've done with many other PC titles, as well as the hate it would get from a DRM.

All this is is wishful hoping and its not making it any better on PC gamers who don't have this game, or many other games that "would" be better, but they'll never know as it isn't on PC. Plus its not like they couldn't have offered similar content creation on consoles if they so wished, that just doesn't seem to be the point of the game.

Competition too, if you are looking for a true online gaming compeition, PC is the worst platform. Everyone has different hardware and software setting, how could you get real true and fair competition while one guy's pcis running at 60 frames per secondsat 1080P and the other person haslaggy 10 fps at 720p. That's why PC online gaming hardly tell who really have better skills. Basically 3Dmark benchmark competition...

Moreover, PC games get too many hackers, cheaters, and pirates...I dont like to play with low class behaviour gamers.

oajlu

Tell me this guy is joking or being sarcastic...

Also company of Heroes stats:

Real dead...

[QUOTE="oajlu"]

Competition too, if you are looking for a true online gaming compeition, PC is the worst platform. Everyone has different hardware and software setting, how could you get real true and fair competition while one guy's pcis running at 60 frames per secondsat 1080P and the other person haslaggy 10 fps at 720p. That's why PC online gaming hardly tell who really have better skills. Basically 3Dmark benchmark competition...

Moreover, PC games get too many hackers, cheaters, and pirates...I dont like to play with low class behaviour gamers.

_Pedro_

Tell me this guy is joking or being sarcastic...

Also company of Heroes stats:

Real dead...

I don't see why what he's saying can't be taken seriously. The performance thing is an issue.

Also, 6785 players online? That IS pretty dead, imo. I swear, Reach puts that number TO SHAME.

I don't see why what he's saying can't be taken seriously. The performance thing is an issue.

Also, 6785 players online? That IS pretty dead, imo. I swear, Reach puts that number TO SHAME.

Heirren

it cant be because the performance thing isnt an issue, its called changing the settings. you dont have gaps between performance simply for the reason he stated, gamers will lower settings to up performance in a match considering theres very few instances where the graphics will matter in a match.

second company of heros is/was an unhyped RTS game, a niche genre, that came out in 2006 comparing that to halo reach, yeah good one.

Japanese games never come to PC

[QUOTE="Heirren"]

I don't see why what he's saying can't be taken seriously. The performance thing is an issue.

Also, 6785 players online? That IS pretty dead, imo. I swear, Reach puts that number TO SHAME.

washd123

it cant be because the performance thing isnt an issue, its called changing the settings. you dont have gaps between performance simply for the reason he stated, gamers will lower settings to up performance in a match considering theres very few instances where the graphics will matter in a match.

second company of heros is/was an unhyped RTS game, a niche genre, that came out in 2006 comparing that to halo reach, yeah good one.

But yes, 6000+ is definitely not dead for an RTS, perfectly fine numbers.

[QUOTE="oajlu"]

[QUOTE="SaltyMeatballs"]What game wouldn't be better on PC? Better graphics, possibly better controls and you can use a controller if you want, etc.SaltyMeatballs

better controls? you mean keyboard? lol, Mouse is good, but keyboard is bad for action gaming....keyboard is desgined to use with 2 hands...notone hand on mouse and only one hand on keyboard for long time usage. It's not ergonomics friendly when you use keyboard in this way. But hey there are human beings in some countries still drinking unclean water, so it might not a big a deal.

Another thing is community. Is wow still fun without large community? no...Online gaming is all about community size. The bigger, the better. You might say company of hero is one of the best RTS games in 5 years, but its community is dead....lol it has like what, 100 ppl playing it online now? Playing against with other players is always more fun than stupid A.I. This is PC's weakness in many genres. PC has strong community in MMORPG and RTS, but other than that, PC has smaller community than console. Lol check PC's MW2 current online number, it's not going to beat either PS3 or 360.

Competition too, if you are looking for a true online gaming compeition, PC is the worst platform. Everyone has different hardware and software setting, how could you get real true and fair competition while one guy's pcis running at 60 frames per secondsat 1080P and the other person haslaggy 10 fps at 720p. That's why PC online gaming hardly tell who really have better skills. Basically 3Dmark benchmark competition...

Moreover, PC games get too many hackers, cheaters, and pirates...I dont like to play with low class behaviour gamers.

Off Topic: damn i was trying to get that achievement in your sig last night it pissed me off. Ok, Demon Souls will never be on PC would it be better? What do you mean by better. I think DS is perfect the way it is.. i don't want mods, better graphics, hackers, cheater etc etc. Leave DS to the Cows who appreciate the charm and uniqueness of this console game alone. I platinumed DS but i can go online right now and invade PvP or co op help other warriors. Problem with hermits is that they always want MORE options in gaming. I have a PC but i dont think like that when it comes to gaming. DS has an online component you can play untill the server go offline, leave it alone Hermits lol.

PC has many games that are like DS that are much much better.

I wasnt a big fan of DS to be honest, found it very overrated.

I think the only good thing with DS on pc would be some of the mods people could make.

[QUOTE="Heirren"]

I don't see why what he's saying can't be taken seriously. The performance thing is an issue.

Also, 6785 players online? That IS pretty dead, imo. I swear, Reach puts that number TO SHAME.

washd123

it cant be because the performance thing isnt an issue, its called changing the settings. you dont have gaps between performance simply for the reason he stated, gamers will lower settings to up performance in a match considering theres very few instances where the graphics will matter in a match.

second company of heros is/was an unhyped RTS game, a niche genre, that came out in 2006 comparing that to halo reach, yeah good one.

I see where you are coming from, but I still think performance is an issue. There are people that have the luxury of playing at insane resolutions with great framerates, whereas there are also people that have lacking hardware. I'm sorry, but that affects play--no two ways about it.

PC has many games that are like DS that are much much better.

I wasnt a big fan of DS to be honest, found it very overrated.

I think the only good thing with DS on pc would be some of the mods people could make.

kozzy1234

I have a gaming rig tell me which games are are way better than DS and i will play them and let you know my opinion.. Cause guess what? I haven't played a PC game RPG as good as DS yet. Then again i only played the Witcher which was overrated on SW.

Japanese games never come to PC

Ultizer

Huh? The current release of Receatter says "What?".

Nah.

I don't see why your ideas couldn't be realized on the consoles as well.

I see where you are coming from, but I still think performance is an issue. There are people that have the luxury of playing at insane resolutions with great framerates, whereas there are also people that have lacking hardware. I'm sorry, but that affects play--no two ways about it.

Heirren

and you completely ignored what i said.

ill try to restate it maybe you can understand

1.the only genres online youll see an advantage from playing at 30fps v lower than 30fps are fighting,FPS/TPS, and flight games. games like RTS, games like demon souls,MMOs ect it really wont put you at so much a disadvantage if you play at 25fps at 720p verse the guy playing at 1080p 60fps.

2.that aside, you lower settings to get better performance. having better graphics is not going to put you at any more an advantage than playing at lower settings. even people with lowend hardware arent playing at 10fps, theyre lowering settings to have good performance. and people who get bad performance even with low settings arent playing simple as that.

so i can see why someone who has little to no knowledge of pc gaming would assume that to be an issue, but its not.

[QUOTE="kozzy1234"]

PC has many games that are like DS that are much much better.

I wasnt a big fan of DS to be honest, found it very overrated.

I think the only good thing with DS on pc would be some of the mods people could make.

xOMGITSJASONx

I have a gaming rig tell me which games are are way better than DS and i will play them and let you know my opinion.. Cause guess what? I haven't played a PC game RPG as good as DS yet. Then again i only played the Witcher which was overrated on SW.

DS isnt even an rpg in my opinion so I can see already we will have difference of opinions.

Ill list rpgs that I ENJOYED MORE PERSONALLY on pc and consoles then DS, although I am 99% sure you wont agree, as you dont like The Witcher, which is by far hte best rpg this gen (a real rpg.. but a action game like DS is). DS has fun gameplay and great onlien implimentation but the story is HORRID and the characters are not very interesting at all. In an RPG i need a godo story adn interesting characters.

- The Withcer

- Dragon Age (PC version)

- Lost Odyssey

- Mass Effect1/2 (If DS is an rpg then I guess ME is now?)

- Drakensang

- Risen

- Torchlight

- Valkyria Chronicles

(Hell, I even liked Eternal Sonata and Too Human more then DS)

Had much mroe fun and more of an rpg experience with those games then I did with DS, just my honest opinion.

I enjoyed all those RPGS more then DS, just my personal opinion. Have not been as dissapointed in a game this whole gen as I was with DS. I guess maybe I was jsut expecting to much I donno, but it really let me down, nothing in it made me feel connected to the world or the characters, didnt feel like an rpg to me one bit.

Also if you have only played ONE pc rpg then you are missing out on ALOT.

DS is a good game, but just didnt pull me in like alot of great rpgs do, I felt as if I was forcing myself to play DS... I know that alot of peopel love it and I respect everyoens opinoins, but for me it just didnt do anything.

I agree, DS is freaking awesome how it is now. But it would have been that much better.

[QUOTE="_Pedro_"]

[QUOTE="oajlu"]

Competition too, if you are looking for a true online gaming compeition, PC is the worst platform. Everyone has different hardware and software setting, how could you get real true and fair competition while one guy's pcis running at 60 frames per secondsat 1080P and the other person haslaggy 10 fps at 720p. That's why PC online gaming hardly tell who really have better skills. Basically 3Dmark benchmark competition...

Moreover, PC games get too many hackers, cheaters, and pirates...I dont like to play with low class behaviour gamers.

Heirren

Tell me this guy is joking or being sarcastic...

Also company of Heroes stats:

Real dead...

I don't see why what he's saying can't be taken seriously. The performance thing is an issue.

Also, 6785 players online? That IS pretty dead, imo. I swear, Reach puts that number TO SHAME.

The performance thing is NOT an issue as long as you run it at 60FPS, which according to steam no pc gamer actually has problems with. People perseptive of any increase of frames from there on are already in a ****of their own anyway. Unlike Consoles where the host has a CLEAR advantage over everyone else. Also 1080P does NOT give you anything over someone playing at 720P.

Yes and World of Warcraft puts Reach TO SHAME, point being? :| Just because one game has a huge amount of players doesn't mean that another game with far less is in any worse state. How many people do you think are there in a single RTS game at most?

[QUOTE="Jesus_on_fire"]

Well alot of games would be better on the PC :P

abuabed

but most of the games dont run on 20 frames on consoles at least i think so

You forgot to mention the fact that servers on the PC would never die.

Another thing is community. Is wow still fun without large community? no...Online gaming is all about community size. The bigger, the better. You might say company of hero is one of the best RTS games in 5 years, but its community is dead....lol it has like what, 100 ppl playing it online now? Playing against with other players is always more fun than stupid A.I. This is PC's weakness in many genres. PC has strong community in MMORPG and RTS, but other than that, PC has smaller community than console. Lol check PC's MW2 current online number, it's not going to beat either PS3 or 360.oajlu

Please tell me you are not serious..

Even if what you're claiming about player figures is true..there is absolutely NO difference between 10,000 online players in your region and 20,000 online players in your region. You are only playing with a few people at a time.

Also, the notion that consoles are somehow better for online FPS gaming is ridiculous to the point of hilarity. Only a couple "trendy" games even get played on consoles..the rest are effectively DEAD online. On the PC, however, you have a decent playerbase in a very wide range of games. How many people still play Unreal Championship 2, for example? Zero. Whereas on the PC you can still find a multiplayer game of UT2004 even to this day. Quake 3/Live is probably currently played online more than all console games from last generation combined are.

Demon's Souls would be garbage to play with a KB&M.

inb4controllersupport

Demon's Souls would be garbage to play with a KB&M.

inb4controllersupport

xYamatox

"HERP DERP INB4 THE POINT THAT MAKES MY POST IRRELEVANT IS MADE"

That's a 360 controller, a 360 Arcade Stick, and a Wiimote+Nunchuk.

[QUOTE="xYamatox"]

Demon's Souls would be garbage to play with a KB&M.

inb4controllersupport

Velocitas8

"HERP DERP INB4 THE POINT THAT MAKES MY POST IRRELEVANT IS MADE"

That's a 360 controller, a 360 Arcade Stick, and a Wiimote+Nunchuk.

Yup, and PS3 owners have access to KB&M support, yet Hermits discredit that all the time. The case is no different here.

Demon's Souls would be garbage to play with a KB&M.

inb4controllersupport

xYamatox

Yup, and PS3 owners have access to KB&M support, yet Hermits discredit that all the time. The case is no different here.xYamatox

I think the number of PC gamers with controllers is a liiiitle higher than the number of console gamers who use KB+M setups to play games in their living room :lol:

[QUOTE="Velocitas8"]

[QUOTE="xYamatox"]

Demon's Souls would be garbage to play with a KB&M.

inb4controllersupport

xYamatox

"HERP DERP INB4 THE POINT THAT MAKES MY POST IRRELEVANT IS MADE"

That's a 360 controller, a 360 Arcade Stick, and a Wiimote+Nunchuk.

Yup, and PS3 owners have access to KB&M support, yet Hermits discredit that all the time. The case is no different here.

[QUOTE="xYamatox"]Yup, and PS3 owners have access to KB&M support, yet Hermits discredit that all the time. The case is no different here.Velocitas8

I think the number of PC gamers with controllers is a liiiitle higher than the number of console gamers who use KB+M setups to play games in their living room :lol:

The number of people doing ti is irrelevent. Also, people may not be using KB&M for their console games, because those games are DESIGNED for controller use.

Also, PS3 owners also have the Frag X controller. Never used one myself, but heard from word of mouth that it was very good.

Yet consoles get bashed to death for not having mouse support...