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#51 deactivated-63f6895020e66
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and EA never said it wasn't irrelevant. jedikevin2

According to CNN, they did:

Video game publishers such as Electronic Arts (ERTS, Fortune 500) and Activision (ATVI) say retail sales tracker NPD Group's monthly reports are misleading and potentially irrelevant.CNN

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"NPD figures are Potentially irrelevant" and coming back saying "X says retail is irrelevant" are 2 distinctive things. That was the point. He swayed their wording to try to change the issue instead of actually speaking that there should be more work done to accurately track sales outside the normal retail we have grown accustom to. He's known for that type of thing.

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"Potentially irrelevant" and coming back saying "X says retail is irrelevant" are 2 distinctive things. That was the point. He swayed their wording to try to change the issue instead of actually speaking that there should be more work done to accurately track sales outside the normal retail we have grown accustom to. jedikevin2

You're looking way too much into it. Pachter simply said it was an overstatement and that retail matters.

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[QUOTE="jedikevin2"]"Potentially irrelevant" and coming back saying "X says retail is irrelevant" are 2 distinctive things. That was the point. He swayed their wording to try to change the issue instead of actually speaking that there should be more work done to accurately track sales outside the normal retail we have grown accustom to. IronBass

You're looking way too much into it. Pachter simply said it was a gross overstated and that retail matters.

Thats your opinion.. When I see a analyist make sarcastic comments such as "EA/activision saying physical game sales don't matter is like Best Buy saying television sales don't matter" when they were expressing the numbers the NPD comes up with (not specifically retail keep in mind): all I see is naive arrogance from a person whose stuck in his ideology.

Look at it the report, he goes to talk about digital revenue still requireing people to buy a physical copy (Really odd consideirng how many games do not need this to happen at all in last 4-5 years). There is a drastic disconnect to whats really going on to what he is trying to state.

To me, all I see is the Semmelweis reflex [spoiler] a metaphor for a certain type of human behaviour characterized by reflex-like rejection of new knowledge because it contradicts entrenched norms, beliefs or paradigms [/spoiler]

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Thats your opinion.. When I see a analyist make sarcastic comments such as "EA saying physical game sales don't matter is like Best Buy saying television sales don't matter" when they were expressing the numbers the NPD comes up with (not specifically retail keep in mind): all i see is naive arrogance from a person whose stuck in his ideology.

jedikevin2

That's neither sarcasm nor arrogance :question:

It's simply putting things in context, showing, by a well known example, the importance of retail to the gaming industry.

Look at it the report, he goes to talk about digital revenue still requireing peolpe to buy a physical copy (Really odd consideirng how many games do not need this to happen at all).jedikevin2

That part is about sales of map packs and other DLC, which is a huge source of income for Activision (one of the two companies involved).

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[QUOTE="jedikevin2"]

Thats your opinion.. When I see a analyist make sarcastic comments such as "EA saying physical game sales don't matter is like Best Buy saying television sales don't matter" when they were expressing the numbers the NPD comes up with (not specifically retail keep in mind): all i see is naive arrogance from a person whose stuck in his ideology.

IronBass

That's neither sarcasm nor arrogance :question:

It's simply putting things in context, showing, by a well known example, the importance of retail to the gaming industry.

Look at it the report, he goes to talk about digital revenue still requireing peolpe to buy a physical copy (Really odd consideirng how many games do not need this to happen at all).jedikevin2

That part is about sales of map packs and other DLC, which is a huge source of income for Activision (one of the two companies involved).

Thats the problem. They are not talking about retail. Ea and activision are talking about how NPD comes up with its figures. Not specifically retail. Pachter turned into into a retail specific vs DD statement. Thats why his context seems very offbase.

On the other issue, you addressed map packs and DLC. Yes, that does play a role but when his discussion starts to talk about farmville as a example.. things come off way slanted. If he would have spoke on DLC etc then it would have come out in a better light but he choose a avenue which is very prodoment on pure DD for profit.

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Thats the problem. They are not talking about retail. Ea and activision are talking about how NPD comes up with its figures. Not specifically retail. Pachter turned into into a retail specific vs DD statement. Thats why his context seems very offbase.

On the other issue, you addressed map packs and DLC. Yes, that does play a role but when his discussion starts to talk about farmville as a example.. things come off way slanted. If he would have spoke on DLC etc then it would have come out in a better light but he choose a avenue which is very prodoment on pure DD for profit.

jedikevin2

Part of the article was about digital revenue (and that was the part Pachter was adressing):

It's been a big growth business for video game publishers. Electronic Arts reported digital revenues were up 39% year-over-year. It is forecasting that figure to climb to $750 million for its year ending March 31.

Nearly half of Activision's revenue comes from monthly subscriptions to games such as "World of Warcraft." When the company launches the next installment of its mega-franchise "Call of Duty," analysts expect that game to move to a subscription model as well.CNN


Pachter simply said that retail is relevant. Those were his exact words. If you want to believe it's some kind of conspiracy of him against DD, then good for you.

That won't change which his exact words were.

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Modern Warfare 3 will demolish that sales figure, and make Deus Ex look like a baby.

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[QUOTE="jedikevin2"]Thats the problem. They are not talking about retail. Ea and activision are talking about how NPD comes up with its figures. Not specifically retail. Pachter turned into into a retail specific vs DD statement. Thats why his context seems very offbase.

On the other issue, you addressed map packs and DLC. Yes, that does play a role but when his discussion starts to talk about farmville as a example.. things come off way slanted. If he would have spoke on DLC etc then it would have come out in a better light but he choose a avenue which is very prodoment on pure DD for profit.

IronBass

Pachter simply said that retail is relevant. Those were his exact words. If you want to believe it's some kind of conspiracy of him against DD, then good for you.

That won't change which his exact words were.

No conspiracy. I'm taking what he is saying to the T. EA/Activision are worried on how NPD comes up with its figures. Pachter discussed retail is still relevant though it had nothing to do with EA original issue in there statement. Offcourse Retail is still relevant lol. Its that DD has become just a huge viable price point that it needs to not be ignored and statistic companies and websites need to come up with better ideology on how they come up throw out sales figures. NPD took notice and atleast are starting to poll things though its seperated from there monthly sales data. Vgchartz just puts that information to the side and not even dictate it on there website unless when challenged about it.

He was addressing DD? Um... his whole context was just about retail with his metaphorical statement, to stating many DD still rely on physical copies to discussion on farmville being a part of physical sales. confused on your concept there.

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No conspiracy. I'm taking what he is saying to the T. EA/Activision are worried on how NPD comes up with its figures. Pachter discussed retail is still relevant though it had nothing to do with EA original issue in there statement. Offcourse Retail is still relevant lol. Its that DD has become just a huge viable price point that it needs to not be ignored and statistic companies and websites need to come up with better ideology on how they come up throw out sales figures. NPD took notice and atleast are starting to poll things though its seperated from there monthly sales data. Vgchartz just puts that information to the side and not even dictate it on there website unless when challenged about it.

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You're acting like Pachter was replying to Activision and EA. He was not. He was adressing all the related topics about, I'm guessing by request of CNN for the article in question. Which included digital revenue, retails sales, and so on.

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Modern Warfare 3 will demolish that sales figure, and make Deus Ex look like a baby.

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McDonald's also demolishes Ruth's Chris Steakhouse in sales.
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You're acting like Pachter was replying to Activision and EA. He was not. He was adressing all the related topics about, I'm guessing by request of CNN for the article in question. Which included digital revenue, retails sales, and so on.IronBass

Pachter was responding to EA/Activision statement which is why he made the statement on irrelevant and spoke on phyiscal sales still being a dominant force in sales for games. That though was not what the issue was about but how NPD comes up with figures and how things have been missing out of there figure data. I guess your acting as if Pachter was not talking about EA/Activision statement? Again, pachter didn't discuss the issue of DD information not being included in many aspects of NPD data. He discussed retail still being a relevant figure (something everyone already knew) and that retail still holds a ground on many DD avenues with farmville being his example.

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[QUOTE="DangerousLiquid"]

Modern Warfare 3 will demolish that sales figure, and make Deus Ex look like a baby.

Merex760

McDonald's also demolishes Ruth's Chris Steakhouse in sales.

McDonald's is a lot cheaper. Bad comparison. :roll:

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Pachter was responding to EA/Activision statement which is why he made the statement on irrelevant and spoke on phyiscal sales still being a dominant force in sales for games. That though was not what the issue was about but how NPD comes up with figures and how things have been missing out of there figure data. I guess your acting as if Pachter was not talking about EA/Activision statement?jedikevin2

He was talking about it, among other things, as part of a CNN article (meaning his statements are related to the article as a whole, which includes (but it's notlimited to) EA/Activision's claims.

Hence why it's not 100%-related to the exact claims, but it is to other parts of the article (like the "digital revenue" part. also adressed by the CNN article, just like Zynga).

Perfectly reasonable.

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[QUOTE="Merex760"][QUOTE="DangerousLiquid"]

Modern Warfare 3 will demolish that sales figure, and make Deus Ex look like a baby.

DangerousLiquid

McDonald's also demolishes Ruth's Chris Steakhouse in sales.

McDonald's is a lot cheaper. Bad comparison. :roll:

how about you take your precious MW3 talk out of this thread? Bad comparison? How about not making any of your own :roll:

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[QUOTE="jedikevin2"]Pachter was responding to EA/Activision statement which is why he made the statement on irrelevant and spoke on phyiscal sales still being a dominant force in sales for games. That though was not what the issue was about but how NPD comes up with figures and how things have been missing out of there figure data. I guess your acting as if Pachter was not talking about EA/Activision statement?IronBass

He was talking about it, among other things, as part of a CNN article (meaning his statements are related to the article as a whole,which includes (but it's notlimited to)EA/Activision's claims.

Hence why it's not 100%-related to the exact claims, but it is to other parts of the article (like the "digital revenue" part).

Perfectly reasonable.

The whole of the article was on EA/Activision statement of DD sales figures being excluded from the NPD. There is a example of such sales and a pachter rebuttle which he spoke on retail. Not seeing your other parts of the article issue. That was the whole article.

  • Activion/Ea stating NPD figures are only trying to represent a portion of sales as they are not accounting for DD which is misleading.
  • EA context example about Itunes
  • a small background information on what NPD does and what causes slight tensions between industry and NPD
  • Ea stating DD has become a major part of its sales
  • Pachter rebuttle and stating retail is still relevant and that NPD retail data matters
  • Pachter metaphor context of best buy
  • Pachter's statement that many times physical copies must be bought to have DD and a example of farmville.
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The whole of the article was on EA/Activision statement of DD sales figures being excluded from the NPD. jedikevin2

Incorrect. The article touches other topics, like digital revenue in general, Zynga and more.

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[QUOTE="jedikevin2"]The whole of the article was on EA/Activision statement of DD sales figures being excluded from the NPD. IronBass

Incorrect. If you read the article, it touches other topics, like digital revenue in general, Zynga and more.

Exactly how was my statement incorrect? I jsut broke down it down.
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Exactly how was my statement incorrect? I jsut broke down it down. jedikevin2
You said the whole article was on that, wich was not, since it touches other (obviously related) topics, as the ones I posted.
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[QUOTE="jedikevin2"] Exactly how was my statement incorrect? I jsut broke down it down. IronBass
You said the whole article was on that, wich was not, since it touches other (obviously related) topics, as the ones I posted.

Again, the "Whole of the article" was on that. What are you talking about.
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They're okay numbers, nothing spectacular. I picked my copy up on Saturday but I just haven't gotten around to playing it yet. Hopefully it's worth the wait.

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Again, the "Whole of the article" was on that. What are you talking about. jedikevin2
As I already said twice, I'm talking about all the topics the article touched, and that Pachter was adressing them.
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[QUOTE="jedikevin2"]Again, the "Whole of the article" was on that. What are you talking about. IronBass
As I already said twice, I'm talking about all the topics the article touched, and that Pachter was adressing them.

I am too. No idea what your talking about anymore. Taking it as a whole. Inside the whole they discussed sales figures of DD. When pachter statements come in at the end, he talks abotu retail is not irrelevant in a reply to the original statement above. from there all hsi statements are on retail and even DD figures needing retail. He did not address the issue that DD sales are not being measured into NPD figures. Thats what i got from his statement on best buy, to talking on DD still needing retail or farmville needing physical retail.

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I am too. No idea what your talking about anymore. Taking it as a whole. jedikevin2
1) The adresses EA/Activision statement, the increase of digital revenue, and Zynga. 2) Pachter adresses EA/Activision statement, the increase of digital revenue, and Zynga, with accurate comments. That's it.
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[QUOTE="jedikevin2"] I am too. No idea what your talking about anymore. Taking it as a whole. IronBass
1) The adresses EA/Activision statement, the increase of digital revenue, and Zynga. 2) Pachter adresses EA/Activision statement, the increase of digital revenue, and Zynga, with accurate comments. That's it.

He doesn't address EA/Activision statement. He goes around it saying retail is still relevant (that was not the issue). He does not discuss how DD should be included with NPD and that NPD is not representing correctly figures given to the public (the basis of the whole article). He states DD still needs physical copies (not the issue). He discusses farmville (a zynga game which is talked about earlier as a huge profit in DD sales).

This is not about accurate comments. This has been about not rebutting the issue. As the article states :"But not everyone agrees with the video game publishers." but his statements do not talk about it which is the basis of everythign i have said and the source used pages back. How can someone as they did in this thread state he stated vgchartz is correct when his analyist on things do not attactually discuss the issues presented to him fully. He just slide it off to the side and spoke on retail being a a huge area of profit. I personally cannot trust someone like that. He is to engrained in his own ideology.

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He doesn't address EA/Activision statement. He goes around it saying retail is still relevant (that was not the issue). He does not discuss how DD should be included with NPD and that NPD is not representing correctly figures given to the public (the basis of the whole article). He states DD still needs physical copies (not the issue). He discusses farmville (a zynga game). This is not about accurate comments. This has been about not rebutting the issue. As the article states :"But not everyone agrees with the video game publishers." but his statements do not talk about it. jedikevin2

:question:

EA/Acti: "NPD stats are potentially irrelevant."

Pachter: "Calling them irrelevant is an overstatement."

He adressesed their statedment quite clearly.

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[QUOTE="jedikevin2"]He doesn't address EA/Activision statement. He goes around it saying retail is still relevant (that was not the issue). He does not discuss how DD should be included with NPD and that NPD is not representing correctly figures given to the public (the basis of the whole article). He states DD still needs physical copies (not the issue). He discusses farmville (a zynga game). This is not about accurate comments. This has been about not rebutting the issue. As the article states :"But not everyone agrees with the video game publishers." but his statements do not talk about it. IronBass

:question:

EA/Acti: "NPD stats are potentially irrelevant."

Pachter: "Calling them irrelevant is an overstatement."

Again, the context of whatEA stated:

EA/Acti: "NPD stats are potentially irrelevant because they do not discuss all sales data."

Pachter: "Calling retail sales is irrelevant is a overstatement"

That is 2 distinctive issues to me.

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Again, the context of whatEA stated:

EA/Acti: "NPD stats are potentially irrelevant because they do not discuss all sales data."

Pachter: "Calling retail sales is irrelevant is a overstatement"

That is 2 distinctive issues to me.

jedikevin2

And there's where you're wrong. They're the same (the relevance of NPD stats).

EA/Acti say they aren't relevant, because of the missing data.

Pachter say they are because the data that is counted is relevant enough.

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[QUOTE="jedikevin2"]Again, the context of whatEA stated:

EA/Acti: "NPD stats are potentially irrelevant because they do not discuss all sales data."

Pachter: "Calling retail sales is irrelevant is a overstatement"

That is 2 distinctive issues to me.

IronBass

And there's where you're wrong. They're the same (the relevance of NPD stats).

EA/Acti say it's not, because of the missing data.

Pachter say it is because the data that is counted is relevant enough.

And thats a difference of opinion but i do like how you are claiming I am wrong (wow).

I feel patcher is not giving a reason onto NPD's numbers but instead is just trying to disprove that retail still matters (which was not the issue). I do not feel he is even stating the data is relevant enough. He totally dodged the whole issue on why NPD should be be giving more factual sales figures as the publishers were stating which would be the whole DD sales side.

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And thats a difference of opinion but i do like how you are claiming I am wrong (wow).

I feel patcher is not giving a reason onto NPD's numbers but instead is just trying to disprove that retail still matters (which was not the issue). I do not feel he is even stating the data is relevant enough. He totally dodged the whole issue on why NPD should be be giving more factual sales figures as the publishers were stating which would be the whole DD sales side.

jedikevin2

That's not a difference of opinion. That's what both the (first part of) the article and Pachter's statement were adressing.

The exact words of the article are there.

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Once this game goes on sale and hits the $30-40 range.. it's going to sell like hotcakes. Gamers are just swamped with so many games right now and 2011 has barely just started. All those Skyrim and BF3 guys I would expect are only going to be playing those games for HOURS on end.. and they are probably not going to be picking up anything else. As for me, I'm buying em all! :P
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[QUOTE="jedikevin2"]And thats a difference of opinion but i do like how you are claiming I am wrong (wow).

I feel patcher is not giving a reason onto NPD's numbers but instead is just trying to disprove that retail still matters (which was not the issue). I do not feel he is even stating the data is relevant enough. He totally dodged the whole issue on why NPD should be be giving more factual sales figures as the publishers were stating which would be the whole DD sales side.

IronBass

That's not a difference of opinion. That's what both the (first part of) the article and Pachter's statement were adressing.

The exact words of the article are there.

Yes.. the exact words of the article are there.... ok?

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Once this game goes on sale and hits the $30-40 range.. it's going to sell like hotcakes. Gamers are just swamped with so many games right now and 2011 has barely just started. All those Skyrim and BF3 guys I would expect are only going to be playing those games for HOURS on end.. and they are probably not going to be picking up anything else. As for me, I'm buying em all! :PElann2008
A lot of people miss great discounts. I got DEhr for $28.
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#86 jedikevin2
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[QUOTE="Elann2008"]Once this game goes on sale and hits the $30-40 range.. it's going to sell like hotcakes. Gamers are just swamped with so many games right now and 2011 has barely just started. All those Skyrim and BF3 guys I would expect are only going to be playing those games for HOURS on end.. and they are probably not going to be picking up anything else. As for me, I'm buying em all! :PSAGE_OF_FIRE
A lot of people miss great discounts. I got DEhr for $28.

I do believe its still 34 dollars on amazon download right now. Pc version. Such a great price.

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#87 skrat_01
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This is fantastic news. Goes to show complex, immersive sims that challenge and provoke the player, as well as providing originality can sell well - let alone the resurrection of an (amazing) IP which stays true to it. I applaud this.
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#88 skrat_01
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Modern Warfare 3 will demolish that sales figure, and make Deus Ex look like a baby.

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Implying the better game, Deus Ex HR is competing with MW3, its audiences attention and its mega budget at all?
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#89 weezyfb
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didn't get the game, i don't like shifting between first and 3rd person so awkwardly, don't like the conversation style or the gold and brown theme
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#90 hensothor
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That is fantastic.
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#91 Vaasman
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Oh well that's good to hear that it did so we....

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Ok nevermind then. I'll go ahead and praise it when actual sales figures are released.

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#92 G-Lord
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It's a good start, but I hope for 2 mio. + in the end.

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Eurogamer just posted that the game has shipped 2 mio. now. When they sell all those copies I will be happy ;) http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2011-09-09-deus-ex-human-revolution-ships-2m-units