DICE Is A Bad Developer IMO

I'd rather DICE make Battlefield and Mirror's Edge, and I would rather Valve bloody finish Half Life 3. DICE does what they do well, imo, and their games are fun, which is what really matters to me.Weird_Jerk

And full of bugs that are fixed with bug filled patches.

because they expect you to have another form of communication if you're a PC gamer.

vent, TS, or even steam/skype are good places to start.

Dead-Memories

What kind of pathetic excuse is that? So because SOME people use a 3rd party VOIP system, the 1st party one should be broken? You make it seem as if everyone uses a 3rd party VOIP app. What about talking to people who arent in your party?

[QUOTE="Weird_Jerk"]I'd rather DICE make Battlefield and Mirror's Edge, and I would rather Valve bloody finish Half Life 3. DICE does what they do well, imo, and their games are fun, which is what really matters to me.vkun

And full of bugs that are fixed with bug filled patches.

Sorry, I only played the PS3 version of BC2 and the PC version of Mirror's Edge. From what I've played (and believe me, I've played a LOT of both), I did not run into any bugs that were distracting enough to cry about. I even enjoyed KZ2's multiplayer TO THIS DAY and it had multiple changes since it released, from input lag adjustments, air support damage, recoil, to spawn grenade changes, and so on. It changes through patches, yes, but it doesn't make them bad games that aren't fun. They are fun, I enjoy the gameplay. I don't worry too much about a game not being my perfect game. I might wish something would be fixed, but back on topic: If Battlefield were made by Valve, it wouldn't play much like it does now.

No dev or game is perfect but personally i think DICE are great... am currently having a blast playing BC2 :)

DICE = Mirror's Edge

You = DICE is BAD!

Me = What?

[QUOTE="xYamatox"]

[QUOTE="millerlight89"] Just because you don't acknowledge them, does not mean they do not exist. While BC2 is a fall from BF2, it is still better than most modern FPS multiplayer games.

Gibsonsg527

While I don't disagree that BF2 was probably an amazing game for it's time, I think saying that it's better than most FPS games this gen might be more nostalgia playing it's tricks than the actual game.

With that said, the only experience I have with DICE is the Bad Company series, and word-of-mouth from MoH's multiplayer (which isn't great from what I gather). From the last three games DICE have worked on, only one received a AAA score (only 2 have received AAA in their lifetime). Take that for what you will.

The best FPS this gen and my favorite FPS this gen are two completely different things (I'm assuming you're asking for my favorite, which is Killzone 2).

However, I'd probably say the BEST FPS this gen would go to CoD4.

- It had a great story mode (although short lived), with a some unexpected turns that happened through it

- The game sold like hotcakes, and continues to be played by a huge number of people to this day (even after 3 sequals)

- Very different multiplayer, unlike what a lot of people were used to (won't say innovative, but definatly not the norm), and added a LOT of reasons to keep playing with EXP challanges, weapon attachments, etc.

- One of the few Multiplayer FPS games when it was released to feature as much customization on your guns, while still being a decent and competative game.

I know a lot of people have their stigma against CoD now a days, but you'd have to be a blind hater to not appreciate how successful CoD4 is, and at least achknowledge that the game single handedly beat Halo (which was thought to be impossible) in number of players online. I seldom meet a person who did not enjoy playing the game.

Heres why I feel this way. This is focused on the PC version of Bad Company 2. Im sure the console versions share some problems with the PC version.

DICE hasnt even fixed VOIP, the most important feature of a team based game. Its been almost a year. Admit it. How many times do you hear someone talk in-game? Once every 3 months? The hit detection is terrible as always. The defuse/plant bugs havent been fixed. TONS of people are still having disconnection issues. People ALWAYS complaining about lag in every server. If you dont believe me, go on the EA forums and youll see what I mean.

The game is fun as hell I will admit, and I play it a lot, almost daily, but there are so many problems with this game that I think it would be better off in a hands of another developer. God or whoever you believe in will have blessed us all when Valve makes their version of Battlefield. Monthly map (actual maps and not variations) releases, constant bug fixes, community updates/events.

Being the developers they are, DICE should have more than enough funding to take care of its games after release.

Love BF. Hate DICE. Thats my current stance.

vkun

Sounds like you just explained Black Ops' multiplayer :lol:

Is it really that bad?

when he says valve made their own version i think he might be refering to day of defeat

sinpkr

Nah don't think so, he said:

God or whoever you believe in will have blessed us all when Valve makes their version of Battlefield. Monthly map (actual maps and not variations) releases, constant bug fixes, community updates/events.

vkun

We get none of those in Day of Defeat Source. Even map fixes and other necessary updates that have long been completed don't get implemented because TF2 hats are much more important apparantly...

The hit detection isn't worse than BF2. That was by far the worst I've ever seen in my life.

Wasdie

[QUOTE="Funconsole"][QUOTE="xYamatox"]

Yup. Only played Bad Company. It's still a Battfield game, and DICE's current piece of work. I'm not one to care about past successes, either. BF2 could have been the most amazing game of it's time upon release, but if the devs stay stuck in the past and don't evlove with the times, they may no longer be "great" devs anymore.

Now, I won't say this is the case for DICE, but I will say that their current jab at FPS in this day and age left me a little underwhelmed after all hype and praise they got when Bad Company (mostly BC2) was announced.

xYamatox

Last game played since I had Xbox live (had a party, and everyone wanted to use their XBL gamertags/loadouts in splitscreen).

As for the things that underwhelmed in BC2:

- Marksmen cl@ss has little drawback to him, and too many players flock to this class when others are needed.

- Engineer must face tanks/Choppers head on, needs to fire off multiple rockets to kill them (tanks at least), but can get facerolled in a single hit from almost all vehicles...

- Weapon balance is simply bad. There are a good number of weapons that are rendered completely useless when compared to others (more so then most FPS games).

- Lower ranked players are at a HUGE disadvantage when higher ranks are running around with higher bullet DMG, Armor, etc.

- While some vehicles have a decent learning curve, someone who has half a brian and literally spawn-camp a team at base, killing threatening Engineers only seconds after they spawn. Once it's FINALLY taken down, a new chopper is spawned only moments later.

- Do I have to mention the poor single player? I know most FPS games aren't geared to Single Player these days, but this literally felt tacked on.

- Fully destructable buildings are cool, but when every building looks almost the same, it makes the maps look rather bland.

- "Free DLC Multiplayer Maps" that were on the disk the whole time...

I'm sure there are other things I can't recall at the moment. With that said, I don't think BC2 is a bad game by any means (I even said ealier I thought it was good), but not anywhere near the quality people treat it. It does a lot of the crummy things that CoD get's hated for, just in a slightly different way.

2. It takes 3-4 rocket hits from the front to kill a tank. Okay, it does take a lot of time to shoot down a heli, but I've never encountered a pilot with half a brain that was never shot down or crashed in a few minutes (my term for them is "One Way Ticket" pilots aka. people who use choppers as quick transport, ditch as pilot in mid-air in a 100% chopper, crash upon leaving the ground, can't land the chopper, etc.)

3. The weapon balance is okay.

4. Early game weapons aren't bad, take the AEK for example, I LOVE THAT GUN.

5. As if that doesn't happen in any other game (ex. Modern Warfare 1, we were boxed up until the spawned moved).

6. Battlefield series = MP specialty

7. Acceptable, but not that general architecture in the Middle East and North Europe are technically copy paste of each other.

8. Well yeah.. but still, the bigger issue is the release of the "gold" or something like that edition of the game for consoles. That brought the rage.

If you don't think I play..

http://bfbc2.statsverse.com/stats/pc/ExESGO/

[QUOTE="millerlight89"][QUOTE="xYamatox"]

Only your first statement is a fact. Personally, I thought Bad Company 1 & 2 were good, but would NEVER consider it the best FPS in almost any category.

DICE get's more praise then they deserve.

xYamatox

Yup. Only played Bad Company. It's still a Battfield game, and DICE's current piece of work. I'm not one to care about past successes, either. BF2 could have been the most amazing game of it's time upon release, but if the devs stay stuck in the past and don't evlove with the times, they may no longer be "great" devs anymore.

Now, I won't say this is the case for DICE, but I will say that their current jab at FPS in this day and age left me a little underwhelmed after all hype and praise they got when Bad Company (mostly BC2) was announced.

Play 1942 please for the love of god.The non BC battlefields are a ton better and better yet DICE still supported BF2 up until last year which is unheard of for a lot of Developers and implemented a few fixes and released the old paid booster packs for free as part of the patch, and if anything Dice is one of the few actually trying to implement something new :S strangely widespread damage like we see in BC had never really been implemented in an FPS before that.

But please for the absolute love of god go play BF2,BF1942 and vietnam(original has a weird edge feeling that was a breath of fresh air at the time and the music and maps are immense tbh)

Play 1942 please for the love of god.The non BC battlefields are a ton betterrazgriz_101

DICE is one of my favorite developers.

[QUOTE="DivergeUnify"]Lettuce be reality, BF2 was the best mp game ever Remmib

TC had the idea down, but the execution was poor.

(This is all based only a few months after release. Don't know if their game got better).

DICE are bad devs because in Bad Company 2, they make the sniper class OP. Combine this with horrible vehicle spawns (takes forever to kill a half-decent player in a Chopper just for another to spawn seconds later), and weapon balance is terrible to the point were some weapons are COMPLETELY worst in every way to others. The game has a fun concept, but it's without a doubt flawed.

I also hear they helped with multiplayer in MoH, and we all saw how great that turned out...

xYamatox

Heres why I feel this way. This is focused on the PC version of Bad Company 2. Im sure the console versions share some problems with the PC version.

DICE hasnt even fixed VOIP, the most important feature of a team based game. Its been almost a year. Admit it. How many times do you hear someone talk in-game? Once every 3 months? The hit detection is terrible as always. The defuse/plant bugs havent been fixed. TONS of people are still having disconnection issues. People ALWAYS complaining about lag in every server. If you dont believe me, go on the EA forums and youll see what I mean.

vkun

I disagree. VOIP isn't a problem: most of servers rented by clans uses his own Team Speak/Ventrilo channels, and hit detectionis no longer a problem. DICE also put at least 6 patches on the table, fixing balance sissues and enhancing the gameplay with new maps without changing fees.

Got to page 2... just want to chime in and say that the "use ventrillo/skype" is an argument that really gets on my nerves. Why can't the developers make a decent ingame chat???

"They expect the gamers to use it"

I just a excuse for them to be lazy.. if anything.

Got to page 2... just want to chime in and say that the "use ventrillo/skype" is an argument that really gets on my nerves. Why can't the developers make a decent ingame chat???

"They expect the gamers to use it"

I just a excuse for them to be lazy.. if anything.

Infinite_Access

why can't people just use ventrilo/skype like this far? why isn't it enough anymore?

Heres why I feel this way. This is focused on the PC version of Bad Company 2. Im sure the console versions share some problems with the PC version.

DICE hasnt even fixed VOIP, the most important feature of a team based game. Its been almost a year. Admit it. How many times do you hear someone talk in-game? Once every 3 months?

[QUOTE="Infinite_Access"]

Got to page 2... just want to chime in and say that the "use ventrillo/skype" is an argument that really gets on my nerves. Why can't the developers make a decent ingame chat???

"They expect the gamers to use it"

I just a excuse for them to be lazy.. if anything.

groowagon

why can't people just use ventrilo/skype like this far? why isn't it enough anymore?

Never been too impressed with them..

Every time I play a Battlefield... I wish there was a "better game like this one"

Saying that I hope Homefront delivers... Frontlines: FOL was.... meh

[QUOTE="vkun"]

Heres why I feel this way. This is focused on Bad Company 2.

DICE hasnt even fixed VOIP, the most important feature of a team based game. Its been almost a year. Admit it. How many times do you hear someone talk in-game? Once every 3 months? The hit detection is terrible as always. The defuse/plant bugs havent been fixed. TONS of people are still having disconnection issues. People ALWAYS complaining about lag in every server. If you dont believe me, go on the EA forums and youll see what I mean.UnnDunn

[QUOTE="groowagon"]

[QUOTE="Infinite_Access"]

Got to page 2... just want to chime in and say that the "use ventrillo/skype" is an argument that really gets on my nerves. Why can't the developers make a decent ingame chat???

"They expect the gamers to use it"

I just a excuse for them to be lazy.. if anything.

the_ChEeSe_mAn2

why can't people just use ventrilo/skype like this far? why isn't it enough anymore?

right. that. i've just considered VOIP a thing that clan players do. i never use it. i just type :]

[QUOTE="xYamatox"]

[QUOTE="millerlight89"] Have you ONLY played the BC series?razgriz_101

Yup. Only played Bad Company. It's still a Battfield game, and DICE's current piece of work. I'm not one to care about past successes, either. BF2 could have been the most amazing game of it's time upon release, but if the devs stay stuck in the past and don't evlove with the times, they may no longer be "great" devs anymore.

Now, I won't say this is the case for DICE, but I will say that their current jab at FPS in this day and age left me a little underwhelmed after all hype and praise they got when Bad Company (mostly BC2) was announced.

Play 1942 please for the love of god.The non BC battlefields are a ton better and better yet DICE still supported BF2 up until last year which is unheard of for a lot of Developers and implemented a few fixes and released the old paid booster packs for free as part of the patch, and if anything Dice is one of the few actually trying to implement something new :S strangely widespread damage like we see in BC had never really been implemented in an FPS before that.

But please for the absolute love of god go play BF2,BF1942 and vietnam(original has a weird edge feeling that was a breath of fresh air at the time and the music and maps are immense tbh)

[QUOTE="Infinite_Access"]

Got to page 2... just want to chime in and say that the "use ventrillo/skype" is an argument that really gets on my nerves. Why can't the developers make a decent ingame chat???

"They expect the gamers to use it"

I just a excuse for them to be lazy.. if anything.

groowagon

why can't people just use ventrilo/skype like this far? why isn't it enough anymore?

The hit detection isn't worse than BF2. That was by far the worst I've ever seen in my life.

Wasdie

I haven't had any problems whatsoever since launch week. Find good servers and there is almost no lag, plenty of teamplay within your squad, never seen plant/defuse bug.

Well, I have it on PC and people talk and I havent had any of the problems you've mentioned. Never been disconnected once, except when my power went out lol :PII_Seraphim_II

Thanks for feeding us complete BS.

Youre saying you hear people talk frequently. You dont ever plant or defuse the bomb faster than it was supposed to. And you have never disconnected, not even ONCE. You have never shot someone, seen blood, but dont get the hit. You have never detonated a C4 and it didnt explode.

Its fine to like a developer but why make up things or deny things to make them look better?

[QUOTE="xYamatox"] I can always talk to my friend over the phone via bluetooth headset >millerlight89

because they expect you to have another form of communication if you're a PC gamer.

vent, TS, or even steam/skype are good places to start.

Dead-Memories

Yeah, interface wise... dice is not that great.

Heres why I feel this way. This is focused on the PC version of Bad Company 2. Im sure the console versions share some problems with the PC version.

DICE hasnt even fixed VOIP, the most important feature of a team based game. Its been almost a year. Admit it. How many times do you hear someone talk in-game? Once every 3 months? The hit detection is terrible as always. The defuse/plant bugs havent been fixed. TONS of people are still having disconnection issues. People ALWAYS complaining about lag in every server. If you dont believe me, go on the EA forums and youll see what I mean.

The game is fun as hell I will admit, and I play it a lot, almost daily, but there are so many problems with this game that I think it would be better off in a hands of another developer. God or whoever you believe in will have blessed us all when Valve makes their version of Battlefield. Monthly map (actual maps and not variations) releases, constant bug fixes, community updates/events.

Being the developers they are, DICE should have more than enough funding to take care of its games after release.

Love BF. Hate DICE. Thats my current stance.

vkun

If DICE is a 'bad developer', what does that make Treyarch?

[QUOTE="Dead-Memories"]

because they expect you to have another form of communication if you're a PC gamer.

vent, TS, or even steam/skype are good places to start.

Advid-Gamer

Dont you hate people like that? Not only do they have to lie to themselves, but they have to corrupt others too.

[QUOTE="vkun"]

Heres why I feel this way. This is focused on Bad Company 2.

DICE hasnt even fixed VOIP, the most important feature of a team based game. Its been almost a year. Admit it. How many times do you hear someone talk in-game? Once every 3 months? The hit detection is terrible as always. The defuse/plant bugs havent been fixed. TONS of people are still having disconnection issues. People ALWAYS complaining about lag in every server. If you dont believe me, go on the EA forums and youll see what I mean.UnnDunn

DICE cant make a SP but they are gods at making MP. Nonstop-Madness

[QUOTE="Remmib"][QUOTE="DivergeUnify"]Lettuce be reality, BF2 was the best mp game ever DivergeUnify

Join the server's TS server, usually when you join a server there is a little message saying join us on TS and it gives the address, I guarentee you most players are communicating on that. Sure DICE could fix in the ingame chat but since nobody uses it anyway what would be the point.

[QUOTE="II_Seraphim_II"]Well, I have it on PC and people talk and I havent had any of the problems you've mentioned. Never been disconnected once, except when my power went out lol :Pvkun

Thanks for feeding us complete BS.

Youre saying you hear people talk frequently. You dont ever plant or defuse the bomb faster than it was supposed to. And you have never disconnected, not even ONCE. You have never shot someone, seen blood, but dont get the hit. You have never detonated a C4 and it didnt explode.

Its fine to like a developer but why make up things or deny things to make them look better?

Heres why I feel this way. This is focused on the PC version of Bad Company 2. Im sure the console versions share some problems with the PC version.

DICE hasnt even fixed VOIP, the most important feature of a team based game. Its been almost a year. Admit it. How many times do you hear someone talk in-game? Once every 3 months? The hit detection is terrible as always. The defuse/plant bugs havent been fixed. TONS of people are still having disconnection issues. People ALWAYS complaining about lag in every server. If you dont believe me, go on the EA forums and youll see what I mean.

The game is fun as hell I will admit, and I play it a lot, almost daily, but there are so many problems with this game that I think it would be better off in a hands of another developer. God or whoever you believe in will have blessed us all when Valve makes their version of Battlefield. Monthly map (actual maps and not variations) releases, constant bug fixes, community updates/events.

Being the developers they are, DICE should have more than enough funding to take care of its games after release.

Love BF. Hate DICE. Thats my current stance.

vkun

[QUOTE="vkun"]

[QUOTE="II_Seraphim_II"]Well, I have it on PC and people talk and I havent had any of the problems you've mentioned. Never been disconnected once, except when my power went out lol :PII_Seraphim_II

Thanks for feeding us complete BS.

Youre saying you hear people talk frequently. You dont ever plant or defuse the bomb faster than it was supposed to. And you have never disconnected, not even ONCE. You have never shot someone, seen blood, but dont get the hit. You have never detonated a C4 and it didnt explode.

Its fine to like a developer but why make up things or deny things to make them look better?