Dice's Patrick Bach; Focusing on the PC is the future.

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#101 Firebird-5
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I think they are trying to get PC gamers to actually buy their game, and not just pirate it. Dont think they are concern about console gamers as they buy anything thats a FPS.... just look at MOH :P

GTSaiyanjin2

no one pirates battlefield games

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#102 deactivated-5cf4b2c19c4ab
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[QUOTE="GTSaiyanjin2"]

I think they are trying to get PC gamers to actually buy their game, and not just pirate it. Dont think they are concern about console gamers as they buy anything thats a FPS.... just look at MOH :P

Firebird-5

no one pirates battlefield games

Some people do, but they are probably the same people who pirate Valve games :lol:
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#103 Firebird-5
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[QUOTE="Firebird-5"]

[QUOTE="GTSaiyanjin2"]

I think they are trying to get PC gamers to actually buy their game, and not just pirate it. Dont think they are concern about console gamers as they buy anything thats a FPS.... just look at MOH :P

ferret-gamer

no one pirates battlefield games

Some people do, but they are probably the same people who pirate Valve games :lol:

lol i guess if they want to play singleplayer (???????) or on hacked servers (with hackers, lol)

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#104 mitu123
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Why would anyone pirate a BF game, defintely BC2 where you only get one code used once on one account for multiplayer, it's not like most other games either.:lol:

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#105 GTSaiyanjin2
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[QUOTE="GTSaiyanjin2"]

I think they are trying to get PC gamers to actually buy their game, and not just pirate it. Dont think they are concern about console gamers as they buy anything thats a FPS.... just look at MOH :P

Firebird-5

no one pirates battlefield games

people will prirate anything, even PS3 games when the PS3 was not even hacked yet :P But yeah BF3 does actually have a single player campaign, and its the only footge we have seen so far for some reason :x

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#106 Firebird-5
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[QUOTE="Firebird-5"]

[QUOTE="GTSaiyanjin2"]

I think they are trying to get PC gamers to actually buy their game, and not just pirate it. Dont think they are concern about console gamers as they buy anything thats a FPS.... just look at MOH :P

GTSaiyanjin2

no one pirates battlefield games

people will prirate anything, even PS3 games when the PS3 was not even hacked yet :P But yeah BF3 does actually have a single player campaign, and its the only footge we have seen so far for some reason :x

regardless of some peoples' weirdness, DICE doesn't have a problem getting PC gamers to buy (and continue buying for years) their game.

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#107 mitu123
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[QUOTE="Firebird-5"]

[QUOTE="GTSaiyanjin2"]

I think they are trying to get PC gamers to actually buy their game, and not just pirate it. Dont think they are concern about console gamers as they buy anything thats a FPS.... just look at MOH :P

GTSaiyanjin2

no one pirates battlefield games

people will prirate anything, even PS3 games when the PS3 was not even hacked yet :P But yeah BF3 does actually have a single player campaign, and its the only footge we have seen so far for some reason :x

It's funny because BC2 was the other way around, as they shown tons of MP footage and single player like a month or 2 before release.
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#108 ChubbyGuy40
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[QUOTE="GTSaiyanjin2"]

[QUOTE="Firebird-5"]

no one pirates battlefield games

mitu123

people will prirate anything, even PS3 games when the PS3 was not even hacked yet :P But yeah BF3 does actually have a single player campaign, and its the only footge we have seen so far for some reason :x

It's funny because BC2 was the other way around, as they shown tons of MP footage and single player like a month or 2 before release.

Well its like Crytek and PC footage.

They didn't show anything because it sucked, HARD.

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#109 GTSaiyanjin2
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[QUOTE="GTSaiyanjin2"]

[QUOTE="Firebird-5"]

no one pirates battlefield games

Firebird-5

people will prirate anything, even PS3 games when the PS3 was not even hacked yet :P But yeah BF3 does actually have a single player campaign, and its the only footge we have seen so far for some reason :x

regardless of some peoples' weirdness, DICE doesn't have a problem getting PC gamers to buy (and continue buying for years) their game.

I'm sure having a little more sales is not going to hurt them.... I'm sure DICE wants their game to sell even more than the last.

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#110 AdrianWerner
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[QUOTE="AdrianWerner"]

[QUOTE="Cranler"]

alot of devs are simply lazy. these so called physx effects have been in games as far back as 2003. why should ati pay off devs to do what could be done on the cpu? surely dice signed an agreement with nvidia to notdo the same with ati.

Cranler

Sorry, but I disagree. Just because ATI is cheap bastards don't give then right to whine when others aren't. They've been charing insane prices for high end cards without giving anything back. They're bassicaly exploiting devs's hard work without giving anything back. At least Nvidia throws cash around helping devs, ATI doesn't.

ATI has had a better price to performance ratio over the past few years. How is ati exploiting devs?

Simple, they expect them to provide reasons to buy their cards without giving them anything in return. And then they have the nerve to say DirectX is holding pc graphics back and devs want it out, which was such ridiculous lie that they immedietely had to backtrack from it.

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#111 redstormrisen
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Dice is just gassing it's PC fanbase trying to ease the pain that will be inflicted once B3 is released and it's once loyal PC fanbase realizes that it's beloved once PC exclusive francise has been consolized. Look at COD series, Crysis series, look at warhammer series(once an RTS is now a TPS and is releasing simultaneously on all platforms). It's going to happen with every PC exclusive eventually because the console fanbase will obviously bring devs more $, which is needed to compensate the high cost in making and marketing a game.

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Really? Warhammer is and has always been a tabletop miniature wargame. All computer software, be it WAR or Blood Bowl is a spin off.
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[QUOTE="G-O-M-J"]I think their priorities are fudged up.bleehum
How so? Nothing wrong with taking advantage of superior hardware. It's not as if consoles are capable of what they're trying to accomplish on PC.

it'll be a waste of money compared to if they did consolize for the hur durr cod audience. yes, i applaud them for actually doing something right and sticking to their principles, but the reality is that it simply isn't the best business decision that they could be making.
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#113 Firebird-5
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[QUOTE="bleehum"][QUOTE="G-O-M-J"]I think their priorities are fudged up.antifanboyftw
How so? Nothing wrong with taking advantage of superior hardware. It's not as if consoles are capable of what they're trying to accomplish on PC.

it'll be a waste of money compared to if they did consolize for the hur durr cod audience. yes, i applaud them for actually doing something right and sticking to their principles, but the reality is that it simply isn't the best business decision that they could be making.

how? more people on pc will buy it

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#114 dc337
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[QUOTE="bleehum"][QUOTE="G-O-M-J"]I think their priorities are fudged up.antifanboyftw
How so? Nothing wrong with taking advantage of superior hardware. It's not as if consoles are capable of what they're trying to accomplish on PC.

it'll be a waste of money compared to if they did consolize for the hur durr cod audience. yes, i applaud them for actually doing something right and sticking to their principles, but the reality is that it simply isn't the best business decision that they could be making.

COD is popular on all systems, over 4 million pc gamers pirated Black Ops. So drop the lame attitude.

If they want to maximize profits then they should focus on consoles. But profits aren't their main goal with BF3. They are just doing what they want.

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#115 NanoMan88
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[QUOTE="GTSaiyanjin2"]

[QUOTE="Firebird-5"]

no one pirates battlefield games

mitu123

people will prirate anything, even PS3 games when the PS3 was not even hacked yet :P But yeah BF3 does actually have a single player campaign, and its the only footge we have seen so far for some reason :x

It's funny because BC2 was the other way around, as they shown tons of MP footage and single player like a month or 2 before release.

I am really tired of all the SP footage and I want to see some MP already, really does any real bf fan care about the SP, sure it will be nice but once I beat it I am never going to play it again. DICE should remember their roots MP first.

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#116 Iantheone
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[QUOTE="Cranler"]

[QUOTE="AdrianWerner"]Sorry, but I disagree. Just because ATI is cheap bastards don't give then right to whine when others aren't. They've been charing insane prices for high end cards without giving anything back. They're bassicaly exploiting devs's hard work without giving anything back. At least Nvidia throws cash around helping devs, ATI doesn't.

AdrianWerner

ATI has had a better price to performance ratio over the past few years. How is ati exploiting devs?

Simple, they expect them to provide reasons to buy their cards without giving them anything in return. And then they have the nerve to say DirectX is holding pc graphics back and devs want it out, which was such ridiculous lie that they immedietely had to backtrack from it.

It doesnt work that way. Nvidia has to PAY developers to use Physx. AMD doesnt have to give devs money to get them to develop for AMD cards because if they dont develop for them then they cut off a large part of the community and lose a ton of money. Just because Nvidia seems to throw money at every game to get their logo on the startup (same with Intel) doesnt mean that they support devs more than AMD.
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#117 Firebird-5
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[QUOTE="AdrianWerner"]

[QUOTE="Cranler"]ATI has had a better price to performance ratio over the past few years. How is ati exploiting devs?

Iantheone

Simple, they expect them to provide reasons to buy their cards without giving them anything in return. And then they have the nerve to say DirectX is holding pc graphics back and devs want it out, which was such ridiculous lie that they immedietely had to backtrack from it.

It doesnt work that way. Nvidia has to PAY developers to use Physx. AMD doesnt have to give devs money to get them to develop for AMD cards because if they dont develop for them then they cut off a large part of the community and lose a ton of money. Just because Nvidia seems to throw money at every game to get their logo on the startup (same with Intel) doesnt mean that they support devs more than AMD.

how doesnt it lol. if nvidia thows money at their janitors they'd still be better off

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#118 mitu123
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[QUOTE="mitu123"][QUOTE="GTSaiyanjin2"]

people will prirate anything, even PS3 games when the PS3 was not even hacked yet :P But yeah BF3 does actually have a single player campaign, and its the only footge we have seen so far for some reason :x

NanoMan88

It's funny because BC2 was the other way around, as they shown tons of MP footage and single player like a month or 2 before release.

I am really tired of all the SP footage and I want to see some MP already, really does any real bf fan care about the SP, sure it will be nice but once I beat it I am never going to play it again. DICE should remember their roots MP first.

You have to wait until E3 for that unless MP screens/videos get leaked 1st.
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#119 AdrianWerner
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[QUOTE="AdrianWerner"]

[QUOTE="Cranler"]ATI has had a better price to performance ratio over the past few years. How is ati exploiting devs?

Iantheone

Simple, they expect them to provide reasons to buy their cards without giving them anything in return. And then they have the nerve to say DirectX is holding pc graphics back and devs want it out, which was such ridiculous lie that they immedietely had to backtrack from it.

It doesnt work that way. Nvidia has to PAY developers to use Physx. AMD doesnt have to give devs money to get them to develop for AMD cards because if they dont develop for them then they cut off a large part of the community and lose a ton of money. Just because Nvidia seems to throw money at every game to get their logo on the startup (same with Intel) doesnt mean that they support devs more than AMD.

so..Nvidia gives money to devs, while AMD doesn't because devs are forced to make games for their hardware anyway..and you think Nvidia doesn't support devs more? I'm not following your logic

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#120 tenaka2
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COD is popular on all systems, over 4 million pc gamers pirated Black Ops. So drop the lame attitude.

If they want to maximize profits then they should focus on consoles. But profits aren't their main goal with BF3. They are just doing what they want.

dc337

1 million lemmings pirated black ops also, your case is weak.

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#121 dontshackzmii
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consoles makes more money

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#122 TerrorRizzing
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well honestly, they can make more of the console crowd interested in pc gaming.

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#123 TerrorRizzing
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[QUOTE="antifanboyftw"][QUOTE="bleehum"] How so? Nothing wrong with taking advantage of superior hardware. It's not as if consoles are capable of what they're trying to accomplish on PC. dc337

it'll be a waste of money compared to if they did consolize for the hur durr cod audience. yes, i applaud them for actually doing something right and sticking to their principles, but the reality is that it simply isn't the best business decision that they could be making.

COD is popular on all systems, over 4 million pc gamers pirated Black Ops. So drop the lame attitude.

If they want to maximize profits then they should focus on consoles. But profits aren't their main goal with BF3. They are just doing what they want.

they did that last time, and pc made more money for them... so by focusing on pc first....

online focused games are usually advantage pc, piracy becomes less a factor on pc while rentals, piracy and used sales plague consoles. Call of duty is an exception, it seems almost every console gamer in existance buys it every year though.

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#124 Espada12
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consoles makes more money

dontshackzmii

More sales doesn't always mean more money, you have to look at the costs associated with a console game before you make that claim.

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#125 RandoIph
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Ok? It's not exactly a startling statement. DICE loves shiny technically impressive games, it's obvious then that they would prefer the PC. In other earth shaking revelations, the grass is green. I don't own any DICE games, find their current games lacking, and am not interested in their future endeavors either, but I'm glad they're enjoying their shiny graphics so much. To each their own.
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#126 Vari3ty
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[QUOTE="fueled-system"]

[QUOTE="Kinthalis"]

You feeling alittle butt-hurt, console fanboy?

So sad for you.

Kinthalis

Hmm Im playing a pc game right now? I aint a fanboy of a system I am a person who thinks with logic...

Dont assume things next time.

You might want to try and use that "logic" of yours to see why your original statement is completely inaccurate.

Lol @ completely inaccurate. Unless you include awful Facebook and other social games, the average person has no interest in PC gaming. Unlike consoles which have many more players on them.

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Lol @ completely inaccurate. Unless you include awful Facebook and other social games, the average person has no interest in PC gaming. Unlike consoles which have many more players on them.

Vari3ty

Mr Cumberdale is that you?

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#128 SaltyMeatballs
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just makes a game for the sake of gaming.

edidili

I'm sure a lot of developers would love to do that, but that is simply not the case, it's not financially viable. Remember EA is the punlisher; Patrick Bach is just saying the usual PR BS to make certain sections of the fanbase feel happy. Whilst it's nice to hear, I am sure they will take the same route as BFBC and BFBC2, nothing special. Soon someone will say 360 and PS3 version will look very good, near identical or as good as PC, etc etc, something along those lines.

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#129 mitu123
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[QUOTE="Vari3ty"]

Lol @ completely inaccurate. Unless you include awful Facebook and other social games, the average person has no interest in PC gaming. Unlike consoles which have many more players on them.

Espada12

Mr Cumberdale is that you?

Good question.
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#130 edidili
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Ok? It's not exactly a startling statement. DICE loves shiny technically impressive games, it's obvious then that they would prefer the PC. In other earth shaking revelations, the grass is green. I don't own any DICE games, find their current games lacking, and am not interested in their future endeavors either, but I'm glad they're enjoying their shiny graphics so much. To each their own.RandoIph

I don't think technically impressive is only about the shiny graphics. What about more players count, better animations, destruction and larger maps? These are hardly gimmicks.

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#132 edidili
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Lol, this guy reminds me of a hermit. Way to go Dice, you love the PC, but yet you love the console's money but you bash it. Dont understand the logic behind that.

gaming25

Where did he bash consoles?

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#134 gaming25
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[QUOTE="edidili"]

[QUOTE="gaming25"]

Lol, this guy reminds me of a hermit. Way to go Dice, you love the PC, but yet you love the console's money but you bash it. Dont understand the logic behind that.

Where did he bash consoles?

I'm sorry, I read it wrong. He looked like he was talking about scaling down PCs or something.
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#135 edidili
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[QUOTE="edidili"]

[QUOTE="gaming25"]

Lol, this guy reminds me of a hermit. Way to go Dice, you love the PC, but yet you love the console's money but you bash it. Dont understand the logic behind that.

gaming25

Where did he bash consoles?

Talking about how sad the consoles are and saying that PCs are the future (if he thought both were the future, then he wouldnt just say the PC). This type of garbage is hermit material, not anything I should expect from a developer.

He just said that consoles cannot handle what Dice can deliver in 2011. If I say that PS2 can't handle crysis am I bashing PS2 or am I just saying the obvious truth?

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#136 gaming25
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[QUOTE="edidili"]

[QUOTE="gaming25"][QUOTE="edidili"]

Where did he bash consoles?

Talking about how sad the consoles are and saying that PCs are the future (if he thought both were the future, then he wouldnt just say the PC). This type of garbage is hermit material, not anything I should expect from a developer.

He just said that consoles cannot handle what Dice can deliver in 2011. If I say that PS2 can't handle crysis am I bashing PS2 or am I just saying the obvious truth?

I edited my post.