Did anyone really consider PH & ST as true Zelda games?

Why is it that the portable ones,esp. on the DS,were overlooked,and some even don't consider them true TLoZ games?

PH was short and really easy,BUT ST was longer,harder,and better(except the impossible,Lokomo songs,#$#$!%)

What do the abbreviations PH and ST mean?

What do the abbreviations PH and ST mean?

thom_maytees

phantom hourglass and spirit tracks

Phantom hourgalss yes. It was very much in the spirit of Zelda even with the temple of the ocean king being annoying as crap. ST sorta but It wasn't as good as PH.

Phantom hourgalss yes. It was very much in the spirit of Zelda even with the temple of the ocean king being annoying as crap. ST sorta but It wasn't as good as PH.

Jonwh18

Unbelievable....

PH was really short,and a total piece of cake...Temple of the Ocean King was pretty easy.

Loved both games, these games took full advantage of DS functionality which resulted in a fresh experience & lots of new ideas.

Loved both games, these games took full advantage of DS functionality which resulted in a fresh experience & lots of new ideas.

SuperFlakeman

I enjoyed Spirit Tracks even with some of the frustrations it had, and while i don't think is a traditional Zelda, i definitely think it was a solid Zelda game.

I thought PH was a fun game with new ideas, but I just wasn't very interested in ST. I played the first dungeon and it just seemed so bland...

[QUOTE="SuperFlakeman"]

Loved both games, these games took full advantage of DS functionality which resulted in a fresh experience & lots of new ideas.

Jonwh18

Yeah,like that was a HUGE design flaw on Nintendo's part.

Sooo many ppl used AR for the Lokomo songs.

I love ST (one of the best Zelda games). However, the spirit flute sections nearly broke the game.

Yes, but they're pretty lame.

Yes. But I just think they suck.

They're better than Wind Waker, so yes.

Why not? :?

Phantom Hourglass was good, Spirt Track sucked.

Still the best Zelda hand helds are Oracle of Ages and Seasons.

They're better than Wind Waker, so yes.

Renegade_Fury

That statement is so Dindamn wrong.

You trying to cause a "nerd rage"?

Phantom Hourglass was good, Spirt Track sucked.

Still the best Zelda hand helds are Oracle of Ages and Seasons.

ShadowMoses900

[QUOTE="Renegade_Fury"]

They're better than Wind Waker, so yes.

GreekGameManiac

That statement is so Dindamn wrong.

You trying to cause a "nerd rage"?

If nerd rage is the consequence of me speaking the truth, then so be it.

They're better than Wind Waker, so yes.

Renegade_Fury

You get out of here and never come back!

[QUOTE="GreekGameManiac"]

[QUOTE="Renegade_Fury"]

They're better than Wind Waker, so yes.

Renegade_Fury

That statement is so Dindamn wrong.

You trying to cause a "nerd rage"?

If nerd rage is the consequence of me speaking the truth, then so be it.

Explain to me how on Din's name is tha possible then?

They're better than Wind Waker, so yes.

Renegade_Fury

In any just world, saying this would be punishable by death.

[QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]

Phantom Hourglass was good, Spirt Track sucked.

Still the best Zelda hand helds are Oracle of Ages and Seasons.

Jonwh18

Ya I was referring to Hand Held exclusives, but A Link To The Past is the best no doubt on hand helds, and it was my first Zelda game which I still have on SNES with the origional box and game manual.

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[QUOTE="Renegade_Fury"]

They're better than Wind Waker, so yes.

Renegade_Fury

That statement is so Dindamn wrong.

You trying to cause a "nerd rage"?

If nerd rage is the consequence of me speaking the truth, then so be it.

[QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]

Phantom Hourglass was good, Spirt Track sucked.

Still the best Zelda hand helds are Oracle of Ages and Seasons.

Jonwh18

Personally I liked Seasons better than Link to the Past.

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[QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]

Phantom Hourglass was good, Spirt Track sucked.

Still the best Zelda hand helds are Oracle of Ages and Seasons.

ShadowMoses900

Ya I was referring to Hand Held exclusives, but A Link To The Past is the best no doubt on hand helds, and it was my first Zelda game which I still have on SNES with the origional box and game manual.

[QUOTE="Renegade_Fury"]

[QUOTE="GreekGameManiac"]

That statement is so Dindamn wrong.

You trying to cause a "nerd rage"?

GreekGameManiac

If nerd rage is the consequence of me speaking the truth, then so be it.

Explain to me how on Din's name is tha possible then?

I've elaborated enough on this subject before, so it'd be easier to dig up one of my earlier rants on it, but in short, they handle the travel system significantly better, don't waste your time with empty space, the dungeon puzzles are more involving, they don't have a ridiculous currency system, they actually feel like finished games, etc.

[QUOTE="GreekGameManiac"]

[QUOTE="Renegade_Fury"]

If nerd rage is the consequence of me speaking the truth, then so be it.

Renegade_Fury

Explain to me how on Din's name is tha possible then?

I've elaborated enough on this subject before, so it'd be easier to dig up one of my earlier rants on it, but in short, they handle the travel system significantly better, don't waste your time with empty space, the dungeon puzzles are more involving, they don't have a ridiculous currency system, they actually feel like finished games, etc.

Lol....are they?

[QUOTE="Renegade_Fury"]

[QUOTE="GreekGameManiac"]

Explain to me how on Din's name is tha possible then?

GreekGameManiac

I've elaborated enough on this subject before, so it'd be easier to dig up one of my earlier rants on it, but in short, they handle the travel system significantly better, don't waste your time with empty space, the dungeon puzzles are more involving, they don't have a ridiculous currency system, they actually feel like finished games, etc.

Lol....are they?

I'd say so, and I acknowledge those puzzles as pretty simple. Still, I'd say using the stylus to move around stuff in room after room was more involving than what was in the 5 or so bare bone minimum dungeons that were in wind waker. Hell, even closing the DS to flip the map alone, I feel was far more memorable.

I played both to 100% (all heart containers, collectables) this year... They're both Zelda games in every conceivable way.

[QUOTE="Renegade_Fury"]

[QUOTE="GreekGameManiac"]

Explain to me how on Din's name is tha possible then?

GreekGameManiac

I've elaborated enough on this subject before, so it'd be easier to dig up one of my earlier rants on it, but in short, they handle the travel system significantly better, don't waste your time with empty space, the dungeon puzzles are more involving, they don't have a ridiculous currency system, they actually feel like finished games, etc.

Lol....are they?

No. I could write a blog on how I think Wind Waker is overrated, but to put it on the same level as PH and ST is baffling.

On the point that the travel system was better in PH, maybe...but too bad those games didn't need a travel system AT ALL! For ST riding the train may be one of my personal most unpleasant experiences in a zelda game ever.

I'd say so, and I acknowledge those puzzles as pretty simple. Still, I'd say using the stylus to move around stuff in room after room was more involving than what was in the 5 or so bare bone minimum dungeons that were in wind waker. Hell, even closing the DS to flip the map alone, I feel was far more memorable.

Renegade_Fury

Like them better all you want.

You're alone in that.

[QUOTE="Renegade_Fury"]

I'd say so, and I acknowledge those puzzles as pretty simple. Still, I'd say using the stylus to move around stuff in room after room was more involving than what was in the 5 or so bare bone minimum dungeons that were in wind waker. Hell, even closing the DS to flip the map alone, I feel was far more memorable.

GreekGameManiac

Like them better all you want.

You're alone in that.

lol, ok?

Phantom Hourglass was good, Spirt Track sucked.

Still the best Zelda hand helds are Oracle of Ages and Seasons.

ShadowMoses900

This, though I have yet to play ST. I am too scared too :P.

[QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]

Phantom Hourglass was good, Spirt Track sucked.

Still the best Zelda hand helds are Oracle of Ages and Seasons.

NaveedLife

This, though I have yet to play ST. I am too scared too :P.

Get an Action Replay for the Lokomo songs,and you're set.

They most defiantely are, whether you want them to be or not. Do you consider the Oracle games real Zelda games, because they weren't even made by Nintendo?

[QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]

Phantom Hourglass was good, Spirt Track sucked.

Still the best Zelda hand helds are Oracle of Ages and Seasons.

NaveedLife

This, though I have yet to play ST. I am too scared too :P.

It's just PH except with a train and a flute that will make you want to throw your ds at a wall sometimes. Also there is nothing interesting to do besides the dungeons.

The only plus' I will give this game is some of the items are cool ideas and some of the bosses were alright. Still the same dull dungeon designs though.

I'm surprised no one mentioned The Minish Cap, I love that game!

I'm surprised no one mentioned The Minish Cap, I love that game!

ShadowMoses900

Agreed.

I don't get how you go from

this

[spoiler] [/spoiler]

to this

[spoiler] [/spoiler]

[QUOTE="NaveedLife"]

[QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]

Phantom Hourglass was good, Spirt Track sucked.

Still the best Zelda hand helds are Oracle of Ages and Seasons.

Jolt_counter119

This, though I have yet to play ST. I am too scared too :P.

It's just PH except with a train and a flute that will make you want to throw your ds at a wall sometimes. Also there is nothing interesting to do besides the dungeons.

The only plus' I will give this game is some of the items are cool ideas and some of the bosses were alright. Still the same dull dungeon designs though.

Sounds terrible :|. I am anticipating it to be my least favorite Zelda game ever :P.

[QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]

I'm surprised no one mentioned The Minish Cap, I love that game!

Jolt_counter119

Agreed.

I don't get how you go from

this

[spoiler] [/spoiler]

to this

[spoiler] [/spoiler]

I feel Nintendo has been flaky with the Zelda series lately. It seems they are unsure of what direction to take it in. Skyward Sword was good but it lacked depth, and motion controls get boring after a while.

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[QUOTE="NaveedLife"]

This, though I have yet to play ST. I am too scared too :P.

NaveedLife

It's just PH except with a train and a flute that will make you want to throw your ds at a wall sometimes. Also there is nothing interesting to do besides the dungeons.

The only plus' I will give this game is some of the items are cool ideas and some of the bosses were alright. Still the same dull dungeon designs though.

Sounds terrible :|. I am anticipating it to be my least favorite Zelda game ever :P.

Technically those would be the CDi games.

But out of the legit Zeldas...Zelda II.

It's just PH except with a train and a flute that will make you want to throw your ds at a wall sometimes. Also there is nothing interesting to do besides the dungeons.

The only plus' I will give this game is some of the items are cool ideas and some of the bosses were alright. Still the same dull dungeon designs though.

Jolt_counter119

Yeah I think the main improvement in Spirit Tracks would be the removal of the worst idea in the Zelda franchise (including the CDi games) ie the Temple of the Ocean King.

Also you people are insane, Spirit Tracks had fine dungeons.

[QUOTE="Jolt_counter119"]

It's just PH except with a train and a flute that will make you want to throw your ds at a wall sometimes. Also there is nothing interesting to do besides the dungeons.

The only plus' I will give this game is some of the items are cool ideas and some of the bosses were alright. Still the same dull dungeon designs though.

Cherokee_Jack

Yeah I think the main improvement in Spirit Tracks would be the removal of the worst idea in the Zelda franchise (including the CDi games) ie the Temple of the Ocean King.

Also you people are insane, Spirit Tracks had fine dungeons.

I don't agree with you,the Temple of theb Ocean King wasn't amazing,but it was ok.

But yes,it did have fine dungeons,if short...

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[QUOTE="SuperFlakeman"]

Loved both games, these games took full advantage of DS functionality which resulted in a fresh experience & lots of new ideas.

GreekGameManiac

Yeah,like that was a HUGE design flaw on Nintendo's part.

Sooo many ppl used AR for the Lokomo songs.

I was stuck on the last song for about 10 mins, then it clicked for me :P

I forgot exactly what it was but there's a certain angle / velocity of the air that always register.