Did charging for online play make PSN better?

$ony loves to gouge their fanbase because they will lap up anything you throw at them. Literally anything. $ony is bringing gaming to an all new low.

dude, you're spitting out such stupidity right now, like I'm shocked you could be this dumb, you're at tormentos level now.

The CLOUD is not dedicated servers, TF devs never called em that, are you saying TF2 runs off the cloud on the PS4? christ dude.

You are clearly an idiot on the subject, got called out for it, so now you reverted to "HUR HUR LEMINGZ R DUMB N PRJECTING STUPIDTY ONTO OTHERS"

yet you're the one posting stupidity.

get rekt

@dakur: You are an annoying individual...lol. Seems to me, you're getting backed into a corner and getting slapped left and right...lol. I agree with @Xabiss on how you love to take time out of your day just to project hate after hate towards the Xbox and Microsoft as a whole on these forums. You insecure little guy? Ugly on the outside?

Did you even read the link I posted or do I have to add "lack of reading skills" to your already pathetic lack of basic capacities? Read it, TF developers explain why dedicated servers and the cloud is the same for xbox live. Now if you don't want to read it and choose to remain ignorant then be my guest but don't expect others to lower their intelligence to match yours son, this world is hard enough and being stupid is not helpful.

And it appears I need to educate you, again, on another issue. Do you understand that developers can use different resources on different platforms?? That they use dedicated servers on one platform doesn't mean that they have to use them on all, they can perfectly well program the net code to work on a p2p fashion for the PS4 but maybe they don't even use dedicated servers on xbone for TF2 since it appears the amount of games that use them can be counted with one hand. Really there are many basic computing courses online for free, I suggest you take a couple of them to avoid future ridicule because you're as ignorant as they get, even by lemming standards.

That's what lemmings rely on?? Appearance insults? I'm already way beyond primary school level insults darling.

What corner though? It's ironic that in this corner I'm together with a xbone developer trying to teach lems about the xbone infrastructure and still they refuse to get out of their ignorance. It's really telling about lems that they don't even trust the developers on their own preferred platform but just shut in their own worlds covering their ears shouting "I'm right!!". Are all lemmings still in kindergarten or what?

dude, you thought dedicated servers were the cloud, that's all that needs to be said, you are what they call "an idiot"

don't get butthurt that you're wrong and spewing garbage, you're getting run out of this thread hard.

PS: I also see you insulting "lems" with kindergarden insults too, why do you get a pass?

Sony loves gamers. Well at least so they say. MS charge for online and Sony fannies bashed MS and paraded the divinity of Sony and they caring for gamers. Sony started to charge for online gaming and well the Sony fannies blame MS. LMAO. Because MS is charging Sony gamers for online gaming right? LMAO.

It's so stupid, so SONY decides to get greedy, instead of backlashing agaisnt sony and possibly preventing those fees, the dolts go after MS.

the fanbase boggles my mind at times... cows remind me of maple leaf fans

Here I'm going to dissect what the TF developer said according to the link. Take my hand and don't be scared, knowledge doesn't hurt and it's a good thing. Follow me son...

Try to follow the highlighted parts, if there's an adult around you tell them to explain to you each highlighted part and reread it with you aloud and twice if possible. I'm hopeful that you'll understand.

Quoted from the article:

"The Xbox group came back to us with a way for us to run all of these Titanfall dedicated servers and that lets us push games with more server CPU and higher bandwidth, which lets us have a bigger world, more physics, lots of AI, and potentially a lot more than that!"

Shiring admitted that the term cloud "doesn't seem to actually mean anything anymore, or it has so many meanings that it's useless as a marketing word".

He continued: "Let me explain this simply: when companies talk about their cloud, all they are saying is that they have a huge amount of servers ready to run whatever you need them to run. That's all."

Microsoft has made much of its new CLOUD TECHNOLOGY for Xbox Live, called AZURE. A whopping 300,000 servers are in place to support the launch of Xbox One.

Respawn is able to use AZURE to HOST Titanfall's game servers, MEANING DEDICATED SERVERS for PC, Xbox One and Xbox 360, Shiring confirmed.

There, I even put in caps the keywords so you don't get lost. If you don't understand this I'm surprised that you don't forget how to breath.

No he doesn't... I honestly think he doesn't even play games. Just pretends.

Lol, don't think so... maybe in terms of free games, but not quality of service.

@hrt_rulz01: I don't recall the last time I've had an issue with PSN. If you even have a PS4, I recommend checking your connection speed, router capabilities and going to wired vs using WiFi. It should improve for you.

I don't have a PS4 anymore... but from all the things I hear from people that have both, and that independent report that studied both services, PSN still falls short in stability & especially download speeds compared to Live.

Not saying PSN is crap, just saying Live is still better.

@dakur: that's bs every ms exclusive has dedicated servers. Don't post old stuff tryna claim ownage. You can't compare Xbl with psn, xbl runs off of azure, the same network the majority of the fortune 500 companies use(nuff said) and psn is a mostly p2p network. Psn is essentially the same network ps owners got last gen for free.

Link to every MS exclusive having dedicated servers because I know Halo MCC doesn't have

@hrt_rulz01: I guess I don't generally notice the download times as I have everything I want download over night.

Fair enough.

@dakur: oops I forgot about the Mcc fiasco, so I'll admit that not every game does. But tf, Ryse, every Forza, halo 5, and both gears all have dedicated servers.

did you even read what you posted? that's not using "powah of da cloud"

in the same paragraph he says "Shiring admitted that the term cloud "doesn't seem to actually mean anything anymore, or it has so many meanings that it's useless as a marketing word".

aka TF is not running off the cloud, it's a normal dedicated servers.

also, why the hell are you even discussing TF1? that was 2014.. a lot has changed since then, but that's your shitty agenda trying to fit your shitty narative.

point still stands, you are what they call.. an IDIOT

bolded in caps so you don't get lost.

Nope. They charge money because they can charge money. That's the only reason they do it.

Don't blame cause M$ used the term cloud to refer to their dedicated servers to confuse you, feeble-minded lems (it seems to have worked). Cloud is still dedicated servers according to M$ like the TF dev said. Focus lem.

oh look, no counter response, and using as you called "primary school insults"

You lost, you're getting shit on bro, quit embarassing yourself.

Dedicated servers =/= Cloud

You = Idiot

PSN on PS3 had many of the same problems that just about every online gaming service has. In all honesty, I used it a lot for MGS4, MW2, BF:BC and mainly shooters. It worked just fine for me, especially in the hundreds of online hours I spent on MW2. Barely any problems. Again, the odd issue I'd expect on PC or XB.

Charging for it has not changed anything. Sony saw MS do it and thought they were missing out on some cash lol

LOLOL keep telling that to yourself clueless lem. I have a xbone dev on my side. You have your butthurted delusional fantasies.

You = Owned^2

That logic, lmao.

That's all that needs to be said

xbone dev >>>>> xboner

No. I like the PS3 UI better than the PS4's too, idk how Sony went backwards with that one. It's nice they added party chat, but I haven't used it once.

@ShadowDeathX:

If it did improve, I didn't see any of it. The price is no worse than Xbox Live anyway. Except you get better deals. Live Gold only gives you the deals any normal psn flash sale would have. You still get flash sales participation for free on psn though.

@ShadowDeathX:

Psn and live are pretty much the same now to me, so yeah.

yes it does lol. Halo MCC ran off dedicated servers as well for PvP.

paying for online service was introduced by MS 12 years ago and they were the only console offering an actual online service so why not charge? if you have a service nobody else can provide why shouldn't you be paid for it? they built the infrastructure, purchased the equipment, wrote the software etc. and they only raised the price once in 12 years from 50 to 60 bucks. Sony meanwhile has started charging for it after they seen how popular it is and raised it's price after only 2 years.

I can't really say if improvements would have come about slower or the same pace. If Sony didn't charge for online play (outside of mmo's).

The PSN store is making a sizable profit. Fuel in large part to explosive PS4 sales, and improved internet infrastructure.

@dakur: You're beyond primary school level insults? Yet you're the one that is retaliating like you're in Middle School...lol. Also, do you just call anyone that attacks you a lemming? Because that's cute...lol. Like I said, you're an annoying insecure individual on this board...

Only console offering an online service?? come on M$ didn't even had dedicated servers back then while Sony had them. The only thing they provided for extra were the extra services like party chat, etc but then they could have charged for that and not for the basic connection. The shady deal was charging people even for basic connection even if they didn't use the extra services. Now that shady practice became standard thanks to M$

I'd say it's more or less on par with Xbox Live.

But no, my overall play time hasn't been that much better paying for these things. I will say that for at least 3 years straight, that PSN+ free games shit does get me a game that ends up being one of my 10 favorite games of the year, in fact top 5 favorite games of the year. In the case of Rocket League, my GOTY for 2015. So I think they do a better job than they get credit for in terms of the games I get for my subscription. It certainly saved me the energy of taking a blind faith sail on Styx or The Broken Age among others.

Beyond that, I can't say I'm too fond of paying a sub to these things.

Paid online is a scam.

Ehhhh... sort of?

Lems wont agree even though ive had a 360 since 2008 and played the xbone. PSN is better now because of paid subscription and pretty similar in performance to Live now.

I'm not saying that at all. I'm saying dakur is just wrong, which was the case. There are a lot of games that use dedicated servers, not just those 2. It was a very silly, and naive statement of him.

I do believe that this is 1 piece of the puzzle which validates Microsoft asking money for XBL.

Nope. It's still a garbage tier network.

It was an official xbox webiste that listed only two. But then again the amount of games that use them are pretty low, way lower than what the PS3 had at the beginning and it was not charging for it so it hardly justifies any fee.

Heh, paid online doesn't make anything better.

However, it's free money since they have absolute control over it, and there is essentially tacit agreement between Sony and MS not to drop it. Why drop it when people are willing to pay for it, and even defend the practice?

Since when has paying for online made anything better?

It's free on PC, and it should also be free for consoles too.

lolno. Its just helped Sony stay afloat.

NO MS it at fault here they give a justification,and a road map to everyone else even Nintendo will start charging now,fact is most games this days still are P2P on xbox most games don't use azure because it is not free like it was advertised,you want to use free azure you most have an exclusivity deal of some sort with MS.

So we still paying this days for P2P which is what MS started sure MS azure is better,but is not because of it being for xbox,is because azure is MS cloud for all its services including PC ones the xbox one is just a beneficiary IF the game in question use dedicated servers.

Reality is the fee sony and MS charge in nothing make the service better,it is an excuse to justify getting a steady stream of revenues, some 26 or 27 million pay for PSN+ if not more, 27 million users at $50 dollars a year is 1.3 billion dollars.

That is allot of cash.

Bullshit? Who is charging for online play since xbox live was a damn friend list and voice chat.?

Sony is greedy.? In what freaking world do you live.? They did not charge for online play from 2000 to 2013,while MS had been charging since 2001 and on 2010 they did RISE THE PRICE OF XBOX LIVE.

XBL was $50 not $60,it was risen lemming.

http://kotaku.com/5625516/xbox-live-price-increase-coming-november-1

Oh and when MS rise the price from $50 to $60 PSN was totally free.

And you could have your own virtual place in Playstation home.

You could play online and more games on sony side had dedicated servers,which is why MS never had a game like Resistance 2 60 players online 8 players coop,or mag for that matter,which now you want to parade as something big,Socom ran on servers many PS2 games did when MS was charging you for P2P,more games on PS3 used dedicated servers than the xbox 360,even when it was free and you lemmings say shit,in fact you use as justification shitty cross chat which basically killed multiplaying on xbox 360,you wanted to play a game and you could not heard shit because most players were party chatting with people in other freaking games.

Not only that PSN games could be share with up to 5 people and even downloadable content and was totally FREE,when MS even hid under a pay wall netflix,hulu,even IE when the PS3 had a working browser free since launch.

So who is really greedy here MS was and while sony fallow in MS footsteps,no one can even rise a finger and point at sony,which is why the media say shit when sony started charging they could not,after MS did it for 2 generation in a row while sony keep it free.

Hahahahaa you just destroyed the little lemming,i told him the same most games on xbox live NOW are P2P don't run on servers and those that do run on private servers like EA games which run on EA servers not MS.

Hahahahaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa...

Yes that is exactly what it is a cluster of servers with a pretty name.. This goes to show how clueless some lemmings are they hype the cloud and don't even freaking have an idea of what a cloud is..hahahahaa

I imagine you and other lemmings actually believing that god is running MS games in the clouds.

Hahahahaa he is right the ones spewing crap are you clueless lemmings who don't even know that a damn cloud is compose of servers,the whole cloud crap is just a pretty name to describe what is a bunch of dedicated servers.

Several PS2 games ran on a cloud...hahahhaa several PS3 and PS4 as well..lol

NO you are the stupid cloud is a pretty name to describe what is best known as dedicated servers,there are different kind of clouds,all are server based,one for compute use high end compute cards,this are the one running games remotely or processing for programs online like office 360,there are cloud for storage those are where you upload your files and saves,and the ones running logic for games.

All are clouds and all 3 can be run from a single cloud of servers.

And you are officially clueless..

Hell PSN Now is a cloud based gaming service,which use modify PS3 as dedicated servers to process the game and stream a low latency video to you.

Yes because it is not easy to find how live accounts have being stolen since 2007,or when it has being down like it happen many times.

Yeah only PSN is down always...lol

@tormentos:

U don't know what cloud is or does??

Xbox 1 had dedicated servers for most of there games as well as 360 early also requires it as well

You should ask Nintendo about that and compare their old online features with the new ones that will be Pay to Play. And there will be your answer.

@tormentos: look at poppa troll coming to rescue baby troll. STFU you don't even play games your opinion is worth less than zero.

@tormentos: once again you don't need to be called out, you just proved to everyone that you are a clueless idiot by ranting fake shit again.

Cloud is not dedicated servers, idiot.

@oflow:

Umm xbl was originally 50 bucks when it 1st came out. It wasn't until mid-late last gen when they decided to raise the fee to 60 bucks.