Did the PSP really FLOP? It doesn't seem like it did...

I really dont keep up with handheld software/hardware but hasnt the PSP sold like 20 million units or something like that?! I mean im not big on handheld gaming at all but i actually got a chance to play some solid demos for the PSP at circuit city and i must say i was quite impressed and might even consider buying one now since its cheap. But my question is, here on SW it seems like the PSP flopped badly but it seems to have some really great games?! I mean grant it the DS has sold a lot more than the PSP but the PSP isnt doing so bad either, I actually played the DS and i just couldnt get into it, the screen wasnt bright enough and i wasnt feelin the whole dual touch screen thing. The PSP has some very solid graphics for a handheld. Im just missing the part on how it actually "Flopped" it seems like a solid system to me

Im just a bit confused, if it sold 20 million units and only been out for 3 years or so, isnt that pretty solid?! and im sure by now they are making a profit on each PSP sold  

No it didnt flop.

But in comparison to the DS, it didnt do awesome either.  DS = 40+ million sold PSP = 21+ million.

No it didnt flop.

But in comparison to the DS, it didnt do awesome either. DS = 40+ million sold PSP = 21+ million.

hiho24

Hasnt the DS been out a lot longer or did they come out the same year? Like i said i dont keep up with handhelds, so i have no idea, hasnt the PSP been out 3 years or so 

[QUOTE="hiho24"]

No it didnt flop.

But in comparison to the DS, it didnt do awesome either. DS = 40+ million sold PSP = 21+ million.

Ahammer80

Hasnt the DS been out a lot longer or did they come out the same year? Like i said i dont keep up with handhelds, so i have no idea, hasnt the PSP been out 3 years or so

DS has been out 5 or 6 months longer. 

It's a flop in System Wars.LINKloco

so is 21 million units sold pretty solid then? 

[QUOTE="LINKloco"]It's a flop in System Wars.Ahammer80

so is 21 million units sold pretty solid then?

[QUOTE="Ahammer80"][QUOTE="hiho24"]

No it didnt flop.

But in comparison to the DS, it didnt do awesome either. DS = 40+ million sold PSP = 21+ million.

hiho24

Hasnt the DS been out a lot longer or did they come out the same year? Like i said i dont keep up with handhelds, so i have no idea, hasnt the PSP been out 3 years or so

DS has been out 5 or 6 months longer.

PSP is the first handheld not to be completely destroyed by Nintendo, and also, the PSP outsold the GC in half the time, putting it over 25+ million. Sure, it's no DS, but, it is a success. 

In Business, what matters is that you have a viable product that is selling and you're good to go. The $120+ Price difference between the two systems is one of the major variables...as parents are the biggest buyers of handhelds for Children. Sony knew this of course, and expected to create a new market of older handheld gamers, and in that they have succeeded. They didn't come out with the intent of dominating Nintendo, and obviously, the fact the PSP is still here shows Sony did something Right.

Fanboys like to sing different songs though. 

[QUOTE="hiho24"][QUOTE="Ahammer80"][QUOTE="hiho24"]

No it didnt flop.

But in comparison to the DS, it didnt do awesome either. DS = 40+ million sold PSP = 21+ million.

SolidTy

Hasnt the DS been out a lot longer or did they come out the same year? Like i said i dont keep up with handhelds, so i have no idea, hasnt the PSP been out 3 years or so

DS has been out 5 or 6 months longer.

PSP is the first handheld not to be completely destroyed by Nintendo, and also, the PSP outsold the GC in half the time, putting it over 25+ million. Sure, it's no DS, but, it is a success.

In Business, what matters is that you have a viable product that is selling and you're good to go. The $120+ Price difference between the two systems is one of the major variables...as parents are the biggest buyers of handhelds for Children. Sony knew this of course, and expected to create a new market of older handheld gamers, and in that they have succeeded. They didn't come out with the intent of dominating Nintendo, and obviously, the fact the PSP is still here shows Sony did something Right.

Fanboys like to sing different songs though.

If you like all types of games , it really is a pretty good system. The upcoming lineup looks pretty good too. But people aren't buying the GAMES !!!!!! How long will the system survive without people buying the software ? 

I really dont keep up with handheld software/hardware but hasnt the PSP sold like 20 million units or something like that?! I mean im not big on handheld gaming at all but i actually got a chance to play some solid demos for the PSP at circuit city and i must say i was quite impressed and might even consider buying one now since its cheap. But my question is, here on SW it seems like the PSP flopped badly but it seems to have some really great games?! I mean grant it the DS has sold a lot more than the PSP but the PSP isnt doing so bad either, I actually played the DS and i just couldnt get into it, the screen wasnt bright enough and i wasnt feelin the whole dual touch screen thing. The PSP has some very solid graphics for a handheld. Im just missing the part on how it actually "Flopped" it seems like a solid system to me

Im just a bit confused, if it sold 20 million units and only been out for 3 years or so, isnt that pretty solid?! and im sure by now they are making a profit on each PSP sold

Ahammer80

[QUOTE="LINKloco"]It's a flop in System Wars.Ahammer80

so is 21 million units sold pretty solid then? 

just like in every competition , no 1 remembers "second " place .

why the people are buying so many DS, that's for 6 year old people come on. I use my psp as mp3 player, i have movies, you can web in the Internet, it has really good games. the ds (for me) its not that good, i mean the games are for child's.

i just don't understand

[QUOTE="LINKloco"]It's a flop in System Wars.Ahammer80

so is 21 million units sold pretty solid then?

It's not the hardware, it's all about the games. The PSP is considered a "flop" because of the failure of the unit to sell the media it was meant to sell. UMD movies flopped, and PSP games sales have been abysmal. The library on the unit of unique (read not a PS1/PS2 port or  remake) is rather small. Killzone Liberation, Tekken, Loco Roco, Lumines and Crisis Core represent the main "attractive" titles of the PSP - with most of the other titles (GTA, Disgaea, FF 1 & 2, Metal Gear Solid, Twisted Metal, et cetera) being PS2 ports.

It isn't such a bad thing to have a portable PS2, if the analog nub wasn't so painful to use... and even then, at the current price for PSP games it's the old UMD rip-off all over again - $20 for a UMD movie when the DVD (that plays anywhere) is $10. $40 for a PSP game that's on the PS2 for $20...

Sony's recent stance on being the "media machine" has really come to bite them (see PS3) and it shows with the PSP - people are excited about the hardware, not so much the software - which is not such a great thing when you're selling a system on slim margins. The price of the PSP and PS3 will remain high relative to the competition, as Sony has lost the ability to finance systems on software sales.

 

The PSP simply wont catch up to the DS. I own a PSP, its not horrible but its simply no match for the DS man....the controls are just horrible with the PSP...but as Sony showed us, combined with a PoS3 it makes for a good rear-view mirror lol.... Mancow_wrestler

[QUOTE="Ahammer80"]

[QUOTE="LINKloco"]It's a flop in System Wars.subrosian

so is 21 million units sold pretty solid then?

It's not the hardware, it's all about the games. The PSP is considered a "flop" because of the failure of the unit to sell the media it was meant to sell. UMD movies flopped, and PSP games sales have been abysmal. The library on the unit of unique (read not a PS1/PS2 port or remake) is rather small. Killzone Liberation, Tekken, Loco Roco, Lumines and Crisis Core represent the main "attractive" titles of the PSP - with most of the other titles (GTA, Disgaea, FF 1 & 2, Metal Gear Solid, Twisted Metal, et cetera) being PS2 ports.

It isn't such a bad thing to have a portable PS2, if the analog nub wasn't so painful to use... and even then, at the current price for PSP games it's the old UMD rip-off all over again - $20 for a UMD movie when the DVD (that plays anywhere) is $10. $40 for a PSP game that's on the PS2 for $20...

Sony's recent stance on being the "media machine" has really come to bite them (see PS3) and it shows with the PSP - people are excited about the hardware, not so much the software - which is not such a great thing when you're selling a system on slim margins. The price of the PSP and PS3 will remain high relative to the competition, as Sony has lost the ability to finance systems on software sales.

[QUOTE="Ahammer80"]

[QUOTE="LINKloco"]It's a flop in System Wars.subrosian

so is 21 million units sold pretty solid then?

It isn't such a bad thing to have a portable PS2, if the analog nub wasn't so painful to use... and even then, at the current price for PSP games it's the old UMD rip-off all over again - $20 for a UMD movie when the DVD (that plays anywhere) is $10. $40 for a PSP game that's on the PS2 for $20...

While I do agree with you that the PSP games are not exatly cheap. $50 for a some games. But the same thing could be said about some of the DS games. $40 for FFIII and $35 for a remake of Mario 64. Same goes for UMD. It would be nice to have the price cheaper like around $10 but I am seeing a lot of 360 owners having no problem paying $6 for a movie rental with a limited veiwing time.  

[QUOTE="subrosian"][QUOTE="Ahammer80"]

[QUOTE="LINKloco"]It's a flop in System Wars.gmastersexay

so is 21 million units sold pretty solid then?

It isn't such a bad thing to have a portable PS2, if the analog nub wasn't so painful to use... and even then, at the current price for PSP games it's the old UMD rip-off all over again - $20 for a UMD movie when the DVD (that plays anywhere) is $10. $40 for a PSP game that's on the PS2 for $20...

While I do agree with you that the PSP games are not exatly cheap. $50 for a some games. But the same thing could be said about some of the DS games. $40 for FFIII and $35 for a remake of Mario 64. Same goes for UMD. It would be nice to have the price cheaper like around $10 but I am seeing a lot of 360 owners having no problem paying $6 for a movie rental with a limited veiwing time.

Well I can't justify that in the day and age of $10 DVDs. If some 360 owner wants to pay $6 to rent an HD movie that's their perogative, but like paying an extra $40 a month for the channels above 120, it seems insane... I never understood why "extreme ironing HD" was worth the money when I spent 95% of my time on Cartoon Network, Comedy Central, and Fox.

I've spent $80 on Xbox 360 games - GRAW, PGR3, and GeoW - if your handheld can't beat my $27/game average price, I'm not biting, especially given the discomfort of using the PSP. I somewhat want a PSP, but there's not a single game other than Disgaea that interests me yet - quite a dissapointment that they don't have FF7 and FF8 or some other great system seller. FF1 and FF2 could be promising, but essentially I buy handhelds because I like playing in bed - I want a game I'm not running already on my laptop or DS.

[QUOTE="hiho24"]

No it didnt flop.

But in comparison to the DS, it didnt do awesome either. DS = 40+ million sold PSP = 21+ million.

Ahammer80

Hasnt the DS been out a lot longer or did they come out the same year? Like i said i dont keep up with handhelds, so i have no idea, hasnt the PSP been out 3 years or so 

Not in Japan 

It penetrated N's dominated handheld market hard.  That's not a flop.NobuoMusicMaker

The PSP flopped due to the gap in terms of sales.  But it did put up a fight unlike most handhelds (non Nintendo) in the past.

Yes the PSP flopped why? It was hyped just like games. Its like the AAA hyped game that got A-AA. People talked about that it was the doom of Nintendo non-stop. Analysts thought it would be the victor. Cows bashed the DS non-stop. Nintendo going third party rumors everywhere. Then out out of nowhere the DS destroyed it.MasterChumly

the PSP was supposed to wipe-the-floor with the DS. back in 2004 analysts were talking up its specs, its style its multimedia capabilities saying that it would beat the DS with ease.CwlHeddwyn

[QUOTE="CwlHeddwyn"]the PSP was supposed to wipe-the-floor with the DS. back in 2004 analysts were talking up its specs, its style its multimedia capabilities saying that it would beat the DS with ease.peacebringer

no if that were true then people would only buy Game boys 

[QUOTE="LINKloco"]It's a flop in System Wars.Ahammer80

so is 21 million units sold pretty solid then?

[QUOTE="Ahammer80"]

[QUOTE="LINKloco"]It's a flop in System Wars.laughingman42

so is 21 million units sold pretty solid then?

Survived? The PSP was hyped and launched in an era where the DS Phat was barely selling, and people were complaining about the poor launch software on the DS. A host of dead pixel issues and a year of mediocre games are what kept the PSP from ever gaining a software market. By the time a small selection of worthwhile tites were released, the DS was the DS Lite, had dozens of highly-acclaimed titles, and had taken over Japan.

As is the PSP is the home of pirates, and not exactly a profitable project for Sony, it's somewhat like the Xbox was for Microsoft in that respect, sans the Halo, KOTOR, Fable, Psychonauts, Jet Set Radio Future, and Panzeer Dragoon.

[QUOTE="laughingman42"][QUOTE="Ahammer80"]

[QUOTE="LINKloco"]It's a flop in System Wars.subrosian

so is 21 million units sold pretty solid then?

Survived? The PSP was hyped and launched in an era where the DS Phat was barely selling, and people were complaining about the poor launch software on the DS. A host of dead pixel issues and a year of mediocre games are what kept the PSP from ever gaining a software market. By the time a small selection of worthwhile tites were released, the DS was the DS Lite, had dozens of highly-acclaimed titles, and had taken over Japan.

As is the PSP is the home of pirates, and not exactly a profitable project for Sony, it's somewhat like the Xbox was for Microsoft in that respect, sans the Halo, KOTOR, Fable, Psychonauts, Jet Set Radio Future, and Panzeer Dragoon.

[QUOTE="peacebringer"][QUOTE="CwlHeddwyn"]the PSP was supposed to wipe-the-floor with the DS. back in 2004 analysts were talking up its specs, its style its multimedia capabilities saying that it would beat the DS with ease.axt113

no if that were true then people would only buy Game boys

[QUOTE="laughingman42"][QUOTE="Ahammer80"]

[QUOTE="LINKloco"]It's a flop in System Wars.subrosian

so is 21 million units sold pretty solid then?

Survived? The PSP was hyped and launched in an era where the DS Phat was barely selling, and people were complaining about the poor launch software on the DS. A host of dead pixel issues and a year of mediocre games are what kept the PSP from ever gaining a software market. By the time a small selection of worthwhile tites were released, the DS was the DS Lite, had dozens of highly-acclaimed titles, and had taken over Japan.

As is the PSP is the home of pirates, and not exactly a profitable project for Sony, it's somewhat like the Xbox was for Microsoft in that respect, sans the Halo, KOTOR, Fable, Psychonauts, Jet Set Radio Future, and Panzeer Dragoon.

PSP software sales in the USA aren't that bad, it's japan that is giving it a hard time, but still...you saw how much MHP2 sold, popular titles sell good on the PSP.