Did you guys know that the RSX has more power than a 7800GTX???

im a PC gamer first but do enjoy my ps3 and 360. One point that isn't mentioned is the fact that a RSX or R500 can do quite a bit due to it being in the controlled environment of the console. A 7800GTX or X1800XT couldn't do gears of war like it is done on the 360 or Fight Night Round 3 or Heavenly Sword. I think virtua fighter 5 arcade boards use a 6800GT or something last last gen. The reason it looks so good is because the game was completely optomized for the 6800gt. There is NO WAY god of war 2 would work on some integrated 4MB GPU like the PS2 has.

So basically...even if the 7800GTX was IDENTICAL to the RSX; it would be moot because a 7800GTX in a console would be much more efficiently used than a 7800GTX in a PC

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Dave_NBF

yep...thats why we use console benchmarks..this forum doesn't thats not the we i say...

[QUOTE="Dave_NBF"]

im a PC gamer first but do enjoy my ps3 and 360. One point that isn't mentioned is the fact that a RSX or R500 can do quite a bit due to it being in the controlled environment of the console. A 7800GTX or X1800XT couldn't do gears of war like it is done on the 360 or Fight Night Round 3 or Heavenly Sword. I think virtua fighter 5 arcade boards use a 6800GT or something last last gen. The reason it looks so good is because the game was completely optomized for the 6800gt. There is NO WAY god of war 2 would work on some integrated 4MB GPU like the PS2 has.

So basically...even if the 7800GTX was IDENTICAL to the RSX; it would be moot because a 7800GTX in a console would be much more efficiently used than a 7800GTX in a PC

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LibertySaint

yep...thats why we use console benchmarks..this forum doesn't thats not the we i say...

sorry... but that last sentence just killed the grammar gods....

Wtf???

Quote:

NVIDIA contacted us today after we published the "PlayStation 3 GPU Less Powerful than GeForce 7800" story based on a report found at The Inquirer. Derek Perez, NVIDIA's Director of Public Relations, was kind enough to provide us the actual paragraph from the September issue of PSM. Here is the information from the blurb in question:

There's no doubting that NVIDIA's new 7800GTX is the ultimate in PC graphics technology. The card's G70 GPU, which is more than twice as powerful as two of NVIDIA's previous top-of-the-line 6800 boards, shares a lot of similar workings with the PS3's RSX chip - only it isn't as fast. Oh, and it retails for $599.
The article actually says the GeForce 7800 GTX is not as fast as the RSX graphics processing unit that NVIDIA developed for the PlayStation 3.

We apologize for any confusion and we'd like to thank NVIDIA for providing the exact info.

http://news.teamxbox.com/xbox/9132/PlayStation-3-GPU-More-Powerful-than-GeForce-7800/

LuvGaming

ROFL. So the RSX with half the bandwidth, half the ROPS, half the vertex shader is more powerful then the 7800GTX? It's pixel shader pipelines might exceed it, but everything else is a no go.

Sorry, but good try...

im a PC gamer first but do enjoy my ps3 and 360. One point that isn't mentioned is the fact that a RSX or R500 can do quite a bit due to it being in the controlled environment of the console. A 7800GTX or X1800XT couldn't do gears of war like it is done on the 360 or Fight Night Round 3 or Heavenly Sword. I think virtua fighter 5 arcade boards use a 6800GT or something last last gen. The reason it looks so good is because the game was completely optomized for the 6800gt. There is NO WAY god of war 2 would work on some integrated 4MB GPU like the PS2 has.

So basically...even if the 7800GTX was IDENTICAL to the RSX; it would be moot because a 7800GTX in a console would be much more efficiently used than a 7800GTX in a PC

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Dave_NBF

PFF. YOUR WRONG. RSX IS BASICALY A PC GPU. IT BELONGS TO THE PC AND NOT THE PS3.

INSIDE THE BLURAYPLAYER THAT THE PS3 IT BECOMES A TOTAL MESS. WHY? 0 % MEMORY + P3 CPU.

JUST TO PUT IT SIMPLE. RSX + CELL = NOT EVEN CAPABLE OF RUNING FEAR / AIRBORNE AT 25FPS + SUPER LOW SETTINGS / HORRIBLE TEXTURES.

[QUOTE="LuvGaming"]You're right, the 512mb 7800GTX has more power but you forgot to mention that the RSX performs within a closed architecture with gaming and only gaming in mind and it also has Cell working with it. Either way, the RSX combined with Cell is pretty bad @ss.horrowhip

That wasn't the point though... Of course if you have a single hardware config its going to end up getting more out of it but that doesn't change the fact that it is honestly an aging card already. the 7800 GTX has in no way shape or form reached its peak on the PC and I believe Crysis in DX9 will illustrate that. When you give developers as gifted a Crytek a team of 120 people and $30 million, your going to see miracles. That's why I can't understand how everyone is saying Crysis won't be properly optimized.... I mean seriously, look at Crytek's last game, Far Cry. With Far Cry they had maybe $1 million budget, 25 people and a rushed schedule. And look at the hardware that runs the game at the graphical fidelity it has. A 6800 can max the game out EASILY and yet it still compares very nicely to a lot of games even today. I'm not worried about gameplay, graphics, or optimizations with Crysis at ALL. I am however still not sure they will get the net-code perfect or have a top-tier story. From the looks of the beta and all the previews those worries are unfounded though.

You can best tell how strong the card is by the quality of games/apps it shows running on it!!

Andand that 2 year old card isnot showing much :(

[QUOTE="horrowhip"]

[QUOTE="LuvGaming"]You're right, the 512mb 7800GTX has more power but you forgot to mention that the RSX performs within a closed architecture with gaming and only gaming in mind and it also has Cell working with it. Either way, the RSX combined with Cell is pretty bad @ss.LuvGaming

That wasn't the point though... Of course if you have a single hardware config its going to end up getting more out of it but that doesn't change the fact that it is honestly an aging card already. the 7800 GTX has in no way shape or form reached its peak on the PC and I believe Crysis in DX9 will illustrate that. When you give developers as gifted a Crytek a team of 120 people and $30 million, your going to see miracles. That's why I can't understand how everyone is saying Crysis won't be properly optimized.... I mean seriously, look at Crytek's last game, Far Cry. With Far Cry they had maybe $1 million budget, 25 people and a rushed schedule. And look at the hardware that runs the game at the graphical fidelity it has. A 6800 can max the game out EASILY and yet it still compares very nicely to a lot of games even today. I'm not worried about gameplay, graphics, or optimizations with Crysis at ALL. I am however still not sure they will get the net-code perfect or have a top-tier story. From the looks of the beta and all the previews those worries are unfounded though.

The 8800 GTX hasn't even reached age yet. So no its not aging. As soon as there are 5 games that take full advantage of it, come back to me. Right now programmers aren't even tapping into the extra power of it with the exception of World in Conflict (Bioshock used DX10, but other than that it didn't tap the new power...). Crysis will be the second game and the third will be either UT3 or Far Cry 2, depending on how far Epic pushes the graphics in UT3. As they are now, its not gonna push the card..

[QUOTE="Dave_NBF"]

im a PC gamer first but do enjoy my ps3 and 360. One point that isn't mentioned is the fact that a RSX or R500 can do quite a bit due to it being in the controlled environment of the console. A 7800GTX or X1800XT couldn't do gears of war like it is done on the 360 or Fight Night Round 3 or Heavenly Sword. I think virtua fighter 5 arcade boards use a 6800GT or something last last gen. The reason it looks so good is because the game was completely optomized for the 6800gt. There is NO WAY god of war 2 would work on some integrated 4MB GPU like the PS2 has.

So basically...even if the 7800GTX was IDENTICAL to the RSX; it would be moot because a 7800GTX in a console would be much more efficiently used than a 7800GTX in a PC

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machitocaliente

PFF. YOUR WRONG. RSX IS BASICALY A PC GPU. IT BELONGS TO THE PC AND NOT THE PS3.

INSIDE THE BLURAYPLAYER THAT THE PS3 IT BECOMES A TOTAL MESS. WHY? 0 % MEMORY + P3 CPU.

JUST TO PUT IT SIMPLE. RSX + CELL = NOT EVEN CAPABLE OF RUNING FEAR / AIRBORNE AT 25FPS + SUPER LOW SETTINGS / HORRIBLE TEXTURES.

please allow logic to run its course before trying to tell me "im wrong." Whendid I say the PC 7800GTX is different from the RSX? I am completely aware that they are comparable. I don't see where you went with your entire post. The reality is that the 7800GTX in a PC would be different than in a console. Again, read my post. How could God of War run on a 4mb integrated GPU on a PC like it did on the console?

Please don't quote the FEAR game. We all know that game was a terrible port. Oblivion on the ps3 looks better than oblivion on a 7800gtx on a computer. How do I know? Well my lappy is a 2ghz merom with a 7900GTX 512mb and it looks worse than the ps3 oblivion. I don't think my desktop or lappy could run a game like fight night round 3 or heavenly sword or gears of war.

Im not a console fanboy either I play mostly CS:S. Also I build PC's so I have some knowledge of components and keep up to date on PC graphics.

There is NO debating that a similar graphics card in a console is better than a similar graphics card in a PC. That was my POINT and for you mistaking that you are wrong. buh---bye.

[QUOTE="LibertySaint"][QUOTE="KillaHalo2o9"]

Xenos>RSX

FACT

horrowhip

why did u bring that here..we all know..the xenos is based off some dx10 ati types mixed with the x1900x pro...so yeah...tho the xenos performs like the x1900x pro with directx10 capilities...pretty much just shading...polygon...unified sahder...and tessalator..

You have no idea what you are talking about do you? I work as an computer engineer at ATi, it is not based off the r600. The Xenos is what it is, you can only compare it to other cards in performance, not architecture wise.

So the 360 is the equivalent to the 7600GS?-R3Volation

According to mike doggett, it's strapped right between an 1800XT and 1900XT. (optimized at 720p)

If that i believe, and the specs would suggest as far as nvidia cards go, that would place it somewher along the lines of the 7900GT/7900GTX.

The 1800XT is slightly faster then the 7800GTX.

[QUOTE="-R3Volation"]So the 360 is the equivalent to the 7600GS?Innovazero2000

According to mike doggett, it's strapped right between an 1800XT and 1900XT. (optimized at 720p)

If that i believe, and the specs would suggest as far as nvidia cards go, that would place it somewher along the lines of the 7900GT/7900GTX.

The 1800XT is slightly faster then the 7800GTX.

[QUOTE="horrowhip"][QUOTE="LibertySaint"][QUOTE="KillaHalo2o9"]

Xenos>RSX

FACT

WhySoCry

why did u bring that here..we all know..the xenos is based off some dx10 ati types mixed with the x1900x pro...so yeah...tho the xenos performs like the x1900x pro with directx10 capilities...pretty much just shading...polygon...unified sahder...and tessalator..

You have no idea what you are talking about do you? I work as an computer engineer at ATi, it is not based off the r600. The Xenos is what it is, you can only compare it to other cards in performance, not architecture wise.

.... I'm just going by ATi's press release.... Ifthe press releaselied then fine but....

[QUOTE="Innovazero2000"]

[QUOTE="-R3Volation"]So the 360 is the equivalent to the 7600GS?-R3Volation

According to mike doggett, it's strapped right between an 1800XT and 1900XT. (optimized at 720p)

If that i believe, and the specs would suggest as far as nvidia cards go, that would place it somewher along the lines of the 7900GT/7900GTX.

The 1800XT is slightly faster then the 7800GTX.

The RSX is basically a 7800 GTX. We already went over this...

[QUOTE="-R3Volation"][QUOTE="Innovazero2000"]

[QUOTE="-R3Volation"]So the 360 is the equivalent to the 7600GS?horrowhip

According to mike doggett, it's strapped right between an 1800XT and 1900XT. (optimized at 720p)

If that i believe, and the specs would suggest as far as nvidia cards go, that would place it somewher along the lines of the 7900GT/7900GTX.

The 1800XT is slightly faster then the 7800GTX.

The RSX is basically a 7800 GTX. We already went over this...

Clock Speed is not the only important stat for GPUs.Spartan070

Your sig is awesome.

[QUOTE="Innovazero2000"]

[QUOTE="-R3Volation"]So the 360 is the equivalent to the 7600GS?-R3Volation

According to mike doggett, it's strapped right between an 1800XT and 1900XT. (optimized at 720p)

If that i believe, and the specs would suggest as far as nvidia cards go, that would place it somewher along the lines of the 7900GT/7900GTX.

The 1800XT is slightly faster then the 7800GTX.

The ps3's RSX is not even close to a 7900GTX. Comparing the 7800GTX. How can a card with half the bandwidth(128bit vs 256bit) half the ROPS(8 vs 16) and a 1/3rd less TMU's (16 vs 24) match a 7800GTX? Simply put, it cannot... and it's vertex output is pathetic against Xenos, not to mention that Xenos ROPs while being the same number(8 )are simply wider and more powerful.

[QUOTE="horrowhip"][QUOTE="-R3Volation"][QUOTE="Innovazero2000"]

[QUOTE="-R3Volation"]So the 360 is the equivalent to the 7600GS?-R3Volation

According to mike doggett, it's strapped right between an 1800XT and 1900XT. (optimized at 720p)

If that i believe, and the specs would suggest as far as nvidia cards go, that would place it somewher along the lines of the 7900GT/7900GTX.

The 1800XT is slightly faster then the 7800GTX.

The RSX is basically a 7800 GTX. We already went over this...

So a 500mhz 6600GT is faster then 450mhz 7900GT? (stock speeds for respective cards) Clock speed isn't jack anymore.

I'm not picking on ya, im just helping ya understand. Ps3's strength lies in the combined power of Cell and RSX, not RSX alone.

[QUOTE="horrowhip"][QUOTE="-R3Volation"][QUOTE="Innovazero2000"]

[QUOTE="-R3Volation"]So the 360 is the equivalent to the 7600GS?-R3Volation

According to mike doggett, it's strapped right between an 1800XT and 1900XT. (optimized at 720p)

If that i believe, and the specs would suggest as far as nvidia cards go, that would place it somewher along the lines of the 7900GT/7900GTX.

The 1800XT is slightly faster then the 7800GTX.

The RSX is basically a 7800 GTX. We already went over this...

No its not...

Xenos:

337 million transistors

500 MHz 10 MB daughter embedded DRAM (eDRAM)

500 MHz GPU on 90 nm

48-way parallel floating-point dynamically-scheduled shader pipelines

• Unified shader architecture (each pipeline is capable of running either pixel or vertex shaders)

Maximum vertex count: 1.5 billion vertices per second

Maximum polygon count: 500 million triangles per second

RSX:

550 MHz G70 based GPU on 90 nm process

302 million transistors

24 parallel pixel pipelines (27 FLOPS per pipeline)

8 parallel vertex pipelines (27 FLOPS per pipeline)

Maximum vertex count: 1.2 billion vertices per second

Minimum (worst case) polygon count: 400 million polygons per second

Maximum (optimistic case): 750 million polygons per second

The unified shader architecture allows for much easier use of shaders, thus allowing better use of them in game. High transitor count allows for more operations to be performed at once. eDRAM allows for more efficient post-processing. Higher vertex count allows for sharper images. The difference in clock speed is negligible. Overall, the Xenos is a much better GPU.

Also, from IGN

[QUOTE="grapefruit21"]In case you hadn't noticed the 7800's are old news its 7950 of 8800.LuvGaming

[QUOTE="grapefruit21"]In case you hadn't noticed the 7800's are old news its 7950 of 8800.LuvGaming

sony to Nvidia here is $25,000. Nvidia to the people the ps3 video card has more power then are 7800gtx.

General909

Xenos>RSX

FACT

KillaHalo2o9

xenos = 8600gt