Didn't the first Killzone flop hard?

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#1 death919
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Everyone step back from the Killzone 2 hype for a minute and think about things: the first Killzone flopped. HARD. So why is the 2nd one being hyped so much? If a flashy trailer came out for Too Human 2 or Haze 2, would we hype them to be these huge AAA games? No? Then why the HECK is this Killzone 2 being hyped to be some amazing AAA shooter that will end the console war? Didn't the last one get in the 6's? I don't understand this hype at all.

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A game's sequel can do better than it's original.

Age of Empires, for example, was merely okay. But Age of Empires 2 was a godsend.

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#4 lawlessx
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looks like someones a little jealous he cant play Killzone 2. Awwwwwww... im sure the Halo expansion will be OK, stop crying. You lose all credibility when its apparent you dont have a ps3. I only read your first line, and looked at what youre currently playingsignore

so whats you're 360 gamertag?

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#5 munu9
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Well it's different with killzone 2 because people have actually played near finished builds of the games and have stated the graphics were amazing and the gameplay was good
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#6 Trigger_Hppy
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[QUOTE="signore"]looks like someones a little jealous he cant play Killzone 2. Awwwwwww... im sure the Halo expansion will be OK, stop crying. You lose all credibility when its apparent you dont have a ps3. I only read your first line, and looked at what youre currently playinglawlessx

so whats you're 360 gamertag?

Haha beat me to it...

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#8 MarloStanfield
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apparently this time it'll be differenct :roll:
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#9 Hitman533
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Nearly 4 years of development, 250 developers, 60million dollars, etc.
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So because the first was horrible the sequel will be horrible no matter what?
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#11 death919
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looks like someones a little jealous he cant play Killzone 2. Awwwwwww... im sure the Halo expansion will be OK, stop crying. You lose all credibility when its apparent you dont have a ps3. I only read your first line, and looked at what youre currently playingsignore
Actually I have a PS3, you can check my reviews and games owned list if you would like, or better yet my blogs for the past year. Also I haven't updated my sig in the past 5 months although I am currently not playing a PS3 game. Still, my points are valid, the first one flopped and wasn't even A, so why is this one hyped? Would you hype Too Human 2 because of some flashy trailer?
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#12 signore
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[QUOTE="signore"]looks like someones a little jealous he cant play Killzone 2. Awwwwwww... im sure the Halo expansion will be OK, stop crying. You lose all credibility when its apparent you dont have a ps3. I only read your first line, and looked at what youre currently playinglawlessx

so whats you're 360 gamertag?

By the way, sweet grammar. 'What is you are 360 gamertag... does that make sense to you? Learn how to use apostrophes.
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#13 signore
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[QUOTE="signore"]looks like someones a little jealous he cant play Killzone 2. Awwwwwww... im sure the Halo expansion will be OK, stop crying. You lose all credibility when its apparent you dont have a ps3. I only read your first line, and looked at what youre currently playingdeath919
Actually I have a PS3, you can check my reviews and games owned list if you would like, or better yet my blogs for the past year. Also I haven't updated my sig in the past 5 months although I am currently not playing a PS3 game. Still, my points are valid, the first one flopped and wasn't even A, so why is this one hyped? Would you hype Too Human 2 because of some flashy trailer?

flashy trailer? people are hyping it because of the tons of GAMEPLAY videos as well as people who have PLAYED the beta. How can you get more concrete proof of a games greatness than that? I dont care if you own a ps3. The user bioshockownz also claims the argument, but some of you guys seem to just despise the very site of your ps3... you should sell it to someone who will enjoy it. Enjoy WoW tho hahah (rolls eyes)
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#14 urdead18
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Probably because there wasn't just a "flashy" trailer.

There has been a beta and hundreds of gameplay videos and every single one displays excellence.

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#15 Skittles_McGee
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Not to mention the horrible pile of crap they called Shellshock. Made by the same devs. Yeah I'm not too excited for KZ2 either.
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#16 Skittles_McGee
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[QUOTE="lawlessx"]

[QUOTE="signore"]looks like someones a little jealous he cant play Killzone 2. Awwwwwww... im sure the Halo expansion will be OK, stop crying. You lose all credibility when its apparent you dont have a ps3. I only read your first line, and looked at what youre currently playingsignore

so whats you're 360 gamertag?

By the way, sweet grammar. 'What is you are 360 gamertag... does that make sense to you? Learn how to use apostrophes.

Learn how to not dodge the question.
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#18 lawlessx
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so you don't own a 360 then?
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#19 LittleHands134
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Because the graphics are pretty. I'm not buying into the hype, especially when it's based on people fainting out over the visuals of all things. I'll rent it, but I don't expect much.
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#20 lawlessx
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[QUOTE="signore"][QUOTE="lawlessx"]

so whats you're 360 gamertag?

Skittles_McGee
By the way, sweet grammar. 'What is you are 360 gamertag... does that make sense to you? Learn how to use apostrophes.

Learn how to not dodge the question.

I actually can't stop laughing right now.
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Nearly 4 years of development, 250 developers, 60million dollars, etc.Hitman533

Time/Devs/Money doesn't mean it will be a good game.

With your logic, Duke Nukem Forever will be the best game ever made.

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#22 Racer_XLR
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Yeah, I mean I am excited.. but not THAT excited.
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#23 Brainkiller05
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Nearly 4 years of development, 250 developers, 60million dollars, etc.Hitman533
This and considering it looks awesome and a lot of people have actually played the beta and said the gameplay is fine. All this hype isn't simply because of a good looking trailer.
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I don't understand this "argument" that the first one was garbage so the second one must not be quality. The difference? Well the first Killzone wasn't really a bad FPS in the gameplay department. You will see almost all reviews complain about it's technical problems. Granted it wasn't an all too original idea, but it's story even on here, was complemented. Besides, you don't think developers can improve and learn from their mistakes? In fact, every single Guerilla Game released has improved here on Gamespot(score wise). It also helps that the development team was bought out by Sony and much of the dev team has been beefed up and they have had a lot of time and resources that I'm sure were unavailable to them during development of their two PS2 titles. Oh, and I can guarantee that when Dennis Dyack announces a new game it will be hyped.
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#25 death919
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[QUOTE="death919"][QUOTE="signore"]looks like someones a little jealous he cant play Killzone 2. Awwwwwww... im sure the Halo expansion will be OK, stop crying. You lose all credibility when its apparent you dont have a ps3. I only read your first line, and looked at what youre currently playingsignore
Actually I have a PS3, you can check my reviews and games owned list if you would like, or better yet my blogs for the past year. Also I haven't updated my sig in the past 5 months although I am currently not playing a PS3 game. Still, my points are valid, the first one flopped and wasn't even A, so why is this one hyped? Would you hype Too Human 2 because of some flashy trailer?

flashy trailer? people are hyping it because of the tons of GAMEPLAY videos as well as people who have PLAYED the beta. How can you get more concrete proof of a games greatness than that? I dont care if you own a ps3. The user bioshockownz also claims the argument, but some of you guys seem to just despise the very site of your ps3... you should sell it to someone who will enjoy it. Enjoy WoW tho hahah (rolls eyes)

First of all, since when does hating the sequal to a sub-7.0 game mean that I hate my PS3? 5 of my top 10 most anticipated games are for PS3, as well as 2 of the 3 games I am getting for Christmas. *sigh* Well I guess that's the difference between a gamer and a cow. Anyways, the original Killzone had the exact same hype leading up to it, and turned out to be garbage. There is absolutely no reason to hype a game that is the sequal to a sub-7.0 game as being some big, system selling, AAA GOTY contender. People have been hyping it since the day the trailers came out, yet there is no need for that, the first was subpar and chances are this one will be subpar as well. By the way, don't cut someone up earlier in the thread about their grammar when you use the word "site" instead of "sight".
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#26 lawlessx
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[QUOTE="signore"][QUOTE="death919"]Actually I have a PS3, you can check my reviews and games owned list if you would like, or better yet my blogs for the past year. Also I haven't updated my sig in the past 5 months although I am currently not playing a PS3 game. Still, my points are valid, the first one flopped and wasn't even A, so why is this one hyped? Would you hype Too Human 2 because of some flashy trailer?death919
flashy trailer? people are hyping it because of the tons of GAMEPLAY videos as well as people who have PLAYED the beta. How can you get more concrete proof of a games greatness than that? I dont care if you own a ps3. The user bioshockownz also claims the argument, but some of you guys seem to just despise the very site of your ps3... you should sell it to someone who will enjoy it. Enjoy WoW tho hahah (rolls eyes)

First of all, since when does hating the sequal to a sub-7.0 game mean that I hate my PS3? 5 of my top 10 most anticipated games are for PS3, as well as 2 of the 3 games I am getting for Christmas. *sigh* Well I guess that's the difference between a gamer and a cow. Anyways, the original Killzone had the exact same hype leading up to it, and turned out to be garbage. There is absolutely no reason to hype a game that is the sequal to a sub-7.0 game as being some big, system selling, AAA GOTY contender. People have been hyping it since the day the trailers came out, yet there is no need for that, the first was subpar and chances are this one will be subpar as well. By the way, don't cut someone up earlier in the thread about their grammar when you use the word "site" instead of "sight".

He even tried to take a shot at you for being a WOW player.

very sad..

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I don't understand this "argument" that the first one was garbage so the second one must not be quality. The difference? Well the first Killzone wasn't really a bad FPS in the gameplay department. You will see almost all reviews complain about it's technical problems. Granted it wasn't an all too original idea, but it's story even on here, was complemented. Besides, you don't think developers can improve and learn from their mistakes? In fact, every single Guerilla Game released has improved here on Gamespot(score wise). It also helps that the development team was bought out by Sony and much of the dev team has been beefed up and they have had a lot of time and resources that I'm sure were unavailable to them during development of their two PS2 titles. Oh, and I can guarantee that when Dennis Dyack announces a new game it will be hyped.white_sox
i disagree, for a ps2 game it looked really good, but the ai was as quick and dangerous as as a rock, in fact sometimes they even ran up to you and stood there, that way you wouldn't have to aim at all,
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#28 mitu123
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Killzone 2 does look and play better than Suckzone 1 from the videos I saw, and yes, I had all 3 consoles from last gen(PS2, Xbox, Gamecube), and that game wasn't that great, it had technical problems, not very smart a.i. and bland level desgins, but Killzone 2 looks like it might be great.
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#29 death919
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[QUOTE="lawlessx"]

He even tried to take a shot at you for being a WOW player.

very sad..

Someone plays an AAA game that's had 2 AAA expansion packs? MADNESS! They must not have good taste in games at all.
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#31 lawlessx
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[QUOTE="death919"][QUOTE="lawlessx"]

He even tried to take a shot at you for being a WOW player.

very sad..

Someone plays an AAA game that's had 2 AAA expansion packs? MADNESS! They must not have good taste in games at all.

i actually just got a wow battle chest from a friend as a gift afew days ago. now if only my PC could run it :(
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#32 Lionheart08
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Positive buzz typically get people excited about games. It's possible for a game to improve on it's predecessor so they feel comfortable hyping it.
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#33 death919
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[QUOTE="lawlessx"][QUOTE="death919"][QUOTE="lawlessx"]

He even tried to take a shot at you for being a WOW player.

very sad..

Someone plays an AAA game that's had 2 AAA expansion packs? MADNESS! They must not have good taste in games at all.

i actually just got a wow battle chest from a friend as a gift afew days ago. now if only my PC could run it :(

LOL awesome! But it sucks it can't run. :( It used to run on my OOOLD PC (6+ years old) but in the new expansion they upped the system requirements which sucks because you need a more recent PC now. :(
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Everyone step back from the Killzone 2 hype for a minute and think about things: the first Killzone flopped. HARD. So why is the 2nd one being hyped so much? If a flashy trailer came out for Too Human 2 or Haze 2, would we hype them to be these huge AAA games? No? Then why the HECK is this Killzone 2 being hyped to be some amazing AAA shooter that will end the console war? Didn't the last one get in the 6's? I don't understand this hype at all.

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Perhaps you've missed the fact that in the past few months thousands have played the online beta, and dozens of previewers (many of which were the ones critical of the 1st game), and all have said the same thing... not only are the graphics awesome, the gameplay is great this time around too. Maybe if you'd take the time to actually read a few previews you'd understand the hype and stop wasting time on dumb threads.
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Everyone step back from the Killzone 2 hype for a minute and think about things: the first Killzone flopped. HARD. So why is the 2nd one being hyped so much? If a flashy trailer came out for Too Human 2 or Haze 2, would we hype them to be these huge AAA games? No? Then why the HECK is this Killzone 2 being hyped to be some amazing AAA shooter that will end the console war? Didn't the last one get in the 6's? I don't understand this hype at all.

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Perhaps you've missed the fact that in the past few months thousands have played the online beta, and dozens of previewers (many of which were the ones critical of the 1st game), and all have said the same thing... not only are the graphics awesome, the gameplay is great this time around too. Maybe if you'd take the time to actually read a few previews you'd understand the hype and stop wasting time on dumb threads.haze_blaze

This.

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#37 lawlessx
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[QUOTE="lawlessx"][QUOTE="death919"] Someone plays an AAA game that's had 2 AAA expansion packs? MADNESS! They must not have good taste in games at all.death919
i actually just got a wow battle chest from a friend as a gift afew days ago. now if only my PC could run it :(

LOL awesome! But it sucks it can't run. :( It used to run on my OOOLD PC (6+ years old) but in the new expansion they upped the system requirements which sucks because you need a more recent PC now. :(

well i planned on upgrading my PC anyway. just will have to put a rush on things..wanna start playing around xmas :P
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#38 white_sox
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[QUOTE="white_sox"]I don't understand this "argument" that the first one was garbage so the second one must not be quality. The difference? Well the first Killzone wasn't really a bad FPS in the gameplay department. You will see almost all reviews complain about it's technical problems. Granted it wasn't an all too original idea, but it's story even on here, was complemented. Besides, you don't think developers can improve and learn from their mistakes? In fact, every single Guerilla Game released has improved here on Gamespot(score wise). It also helps that the development team was bought out by Sony and much of the dev team has been beefed up and they have had a lot of time and resources that I'm sure were unavailable to them during development of their two PS2 titles. Oh, and I can guarantee that when Dennis Dyack announces a new game it will be hyped.savagetwinkie
i disagree, for a ps2 game it looked really good, but the ai was as quick and dangerous as as a rock, in fact sometimes they even ran up to you and stood there, that way you wouldn't have to aim at all,

Technical doesn't always equal just the stand still images.
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#39 Couth_
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First couple GTA's flopped hard too, then it turned into a wonder
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[QUOTE="signore"][QUOTE="death919"]Actually I have a PS3, you can check my reviews and games owned list if you would like, or better yet my blogs for the past year. Also I haven't updated my sig in the past 5 months although I am currently not playing a PS3 game. Still, my points are valid, the first one flopped and wasn't even A, so why is this one hyped? Would you hype Too Human 2 because of some flashy trailer?death919
flashy trailer? people are hyping it because of the tons of GAMEPLAY videos as well as people who have PLAYED the beta. How can you get more concrete proof of a games greatness than that? I dont care if you own a ps3. The user bioshockownz also claims the argument, but some of you guys seem to just despise the very site of your ps3... you should sell it to someone who will enjoy it. Enjoy WoW tho hahah (rolls eyes)

First of all, since when does hating the sequal to a sub-7.0 game mean that I hate my PS3? 5 of my top 10 most anticipated games are for PS3, as well as 2 of the 3 games I am getting for Christmas. *sigh* Well I guess that's the difference between a gamer and a cow. Anyways, the original Killzone had the exact same hype leading up to it, and turned out to be garbage. There is absolutely no reason to hype a game that is the sequal to a sub-7.0 game as being some big, system selling, AAA GOTY contender. People have been hyping it since the day the trailers came out, yet there is no need for that, the first was subpar and chances are this one will be subpar as well. By the way, don't cut someone up earlier in the thread about their grammar when you use the word "site" instead of "sight".

Not true actually... previews of the original Killzone pointed to "inconsistent" A.I. and some potential problems... go back & read them. Then read current previews for Killzone 2. They're a world of difference ;-).
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[QUOTE="signore"][QUOTE="lawlessx"]

so whats you're 360 gamertag?

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By the way, sweet grammar. 'What is you are 360 gamertag... does that make sense to you? Learn how to use apostrophes.

Learn how to not dodge the question.

lmao. pwned
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Nearly 4 years of development, 250 developers, 60million dollars, etc.Hitman533
Spiderman 3 had a record budget, and it was terrible. Duke Nukem Forever has eaten up, what, over a decade of development time and few expect it to be worth picking up. Daikatana had a big budget and long development time, and it was terrible. What makes KZ2 different? I'm not saying it can't be good, but the things you listed alone won't make it so.
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#43 Cedmln
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LOl.People still bring up this arguement? Seriously. Just because one game is not great doesn't mean the next one won't be. Its like generalizing everyone in one country for being stupid.
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#44 Sword-Demon
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one game's failure has nothing to do with its sequal, that goes the same for success.

people have played the beta, they like it.

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#45 e011234
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Killzone 1 was GG's 1st go at making a game.

This way before sony bought them over.

Back then thier team was much less funded and smaller than what it is today. But you see, Killzone 1 was the best looking fps on the ps2, its was an AMAZING fps, but back then GG made a game which was too much for the ps2. And as a result you had game which had alot of graphical hickups and shoddy framrate, also bad voice acting with some characters (the cut scenes had normal voice acting tho). but GG was very talented, thats what sony still bought them over even tho the game only got a 7.0 due to the technical stuff ups.

Then came killzone liberation, had some of the BEST gfx on the psp i have ever seen, and hands down won the award for the best AI ever seen on the psp.

Seriously, if you ever played liberation, you would know that the AI is TOUGH. They know thier $***. They take cover when reloading or when they are being supressed/taking damage, call for backup, wait for backup, give orders to subordinates, sometimes run up to you for a melee attack when your reloading, shouts out to "scatter" when there is a grenade close by, will try to melee you before you melee them, attack as a team, long range dudes will always try to keep thier distance from you, and always try to emphasise on self preservation.

And from the AI demos ive seen of Killzone 2. ZOMGWTF. The AI is tougher. The graphics are animations are beyond anything else, the cover system is awsome, there a veichles, the setting and theme is bloody good, i like the story, its made of every single thread of pure ps3 architecture, there is no framerate drop, its all smoother as hell.

Its going to be a bloody good shooter. 100x better than KZ1. With the amped up team and sony's very close support and large funding.

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[QUOTE="Hitman533"]Nearly 4 years of development, 250 developers, 60million dollars, etc.mattbbpl
Spiderman 3 had a record budget, and it was terrible. Duke Nukem Forever has eaten up, what, over a decade of development time and few expect it to be worth picking up. Daikatana had a big budget and long development time, and it was terrible. What makes KZ2 different? I'm not saying it can't be good, but the things you listed alone won't make it so.

Because the game looks good, people who played the beta say it plays good, interesting online, story, sound graphics and 95% of previews have been positive and state that the game is excellente. That's the difference between KZ2 and Spiderman 3 and Duke Nukem 4ever or whatever game. History not always repeats itself if so, why is the Wii on 1st place if Nintendo lost last gen with the GC?

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The first was a huge flop. KZ2 on the other hand has great chances of being a AAA game. We will see in 2 months!
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Killzone 1 was GG's 1st go at making a game.

This way before sony bought them over.

Back then thier team was much less funded and smaller than what it is today. But you see, Killzone 1 was the best looking fps on the ps2, its was an AMAZING fps, but back then GG made a game which was too much for the ps2. And as a result you had game which had alot of graphical hickups and shoddy framrate, also bad voice acting with some characters (the cut scenes had normal voice acting tho). but GG was very talented, thats what sony still bought them over even tho the game only got a 7.0 due to the technical stuff ups.

Then came killzone liberation, had some of the BEST gfx on the psp i have ever seen, and hands down won the award for the best AI ever seen on the psp.

Seriously, if you ever played liberation, you would know that the AI is TOUGH. They know thier $***. They take cover when reloading or when they are being supressed/taking damage, call for backup, wait for backup, give orders to subordinates, sometimes run up to you for a melee attack when your reloading, shouts out to "scatter" when there is a grenade close by, will try to melee you before you melee them, attack as a team, long range dudes will always try to keep thier distance from you, and always try to emphasise on self preservation.

And from the AI demos ive seen of Killzone 2. ZOMGWTF. The AI is tougher. The graphics are animations are beyond anything else, the cover system is awsome, there a veichles, the setting and theme is bloody good, i like the story, its made of every single thread of pure ps3 architecture, there is no framerate drop, its all smoother as hell.

Its going to be a bloody good shooter. 100x better than KZ1. With the amped up team and sony's very close support and large funding.

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Good points. Things could get better over time as well. Like that girl no one liked in HS, but then years later she's fine as hell :o! It takes a bit of this and a bit of that.
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[QUOTE="mattbbpl"][QUOTE="Hitman533"]Nearly 4 years of development, 250 developers, 60million dollars, etc.Hitman533

Spiderman 3 had a record budget, and it was terrible. Duke Nukem Forever has eaten up, what, over a decade of development time and few expect it to be worth picking up. Daikatana had a big budget and long development time, and it was terrible. What makes KZ2 different? I'm not saying it can't be good, but the things you listed alone won't make it so.

Because the game looks good, people who played the beta say it plays good, interesting online, story, sound graphics and 95% of previews have been positive and state that the game is excellente. That's the difference between KZ2 and Spiderman 3 and Duke Nukem 4ever or whatever game. History not always repeats itself if so, why is the Wii on 1st place if Nintendo lost last gen with the GC?

Ever thought that the Devs are only allowing access to the best Content ;)

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[QUOTE="signore"]looks like someones a little jealous he cant play Killzone 2. Awwwwwww... im sure the Halo expansion will be OK, stop crying. You lose all credibility when its apparent you dont have a ps3. I only read your first line, and looked at what youre currently playingdeath919
Actually I have a PS3, you can check my reviews and games owned list if you would like, or better yet my blogs for the past year. Also I haven't updated my sig in the past 5 months although I am currently not playing a PS3 game. Still, my points are valid, the first one flopped and wasn't even A, so why is this one hyped? Would you hype Too Human 2 because of some flashy trailer?

Look at Crash Bandiccot 1 then look at its Sequel

Look at GTA2 then look at GTA3

Does that help?