Didn't the first Killzone flop hard?

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#51 battalionwars13
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I dont have a ps3 and im probably never going to get one but killzone 2 is the only game that interests me..

Also the first one as far as i remember was one fun a** game...

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#52 981Master
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yea it did bt killzone 2 is improved in every single way. Better gameplay, graphics, multiplayer, story and it should get a higher score. Its a game worthy of its hype IMO
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#53 PrinceofSarcasm
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didn't they redeem themselves with the psp killzone
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#54 TREAL_Since
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didn't they redeem themselves with the psp killzonePrinceofSarcasm
They did to an extent. It still wasn't a console redemption. KZ2 will be the ultimate test.
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#55 Leejjohno
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Why does it have to be said? It's a new generation, they have/had a bigger budget, they have a LOT more employees than when they made K1.

It should be a totally different game. TBH, just by looking at the first Killzone you could see problems. Judging by the gameplay videos of K2 it has gained a certain 'thickness' if that could be the right description. It actually looks like a lot of fun to play.

imo, I always thought that Gears kind of ripped the first game off.

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#56 mlbslugger86
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it was the rest of the game that made it flop..because to be honest...for all the bashing i've given the first one, those are some of the most memorable firefights ever in a game
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#57 danthegardner99
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Hey death919, lets say the first killzone never existed and kz2 was the first, forgetting all about kz1's lackluster scores. Would you be hyping this game because it looked good and said controlled good by many previews and beta testers. The only thing KZ2 is getting from KZ1 is general story, characters, and basic gameplay. Kz2 is getting great graphics, and gameplay, said by previews and beta people. I bet the singleplayer game is being play tested like crazy to ensure a rock solid SP campaign. I bet KZ2 will be a totally different beast than KZ1. Judging by the previews, and not by past games that have absolutely nothing to do with the quality of this title, i think this will be a great game.
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#58 krp008
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A game's sequel can do better than it's original.

Age of Empires, for example, was merely okay. But Age of Empires 2 was a godsend.

TenP

Look at Guerrilla games though. All total flops...

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#59 TREAL_Since
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Hey death919, lets say the first killzone never existed and kz2 was the first, forgetting all about kz1's lackluster scores. Would you be hyping this game because it looked good and said controlled good by many previews and beta testers. The only thing KZ2 is getting from KZ1 is general story, characters, and basic gameplay. Kz2 is getting great graphics, and gameplay, said by previews and beta people. I bet the singleplayer game is being play tested like crazy to ensure a rock solid SP campaign. I bet KZ2 will be a totally different beast than KZ1. Judging by the previews, and not by past games that have absolutely nothing to do with the quality of this title, i think this will be a great game.danthegardner99
KZ2 is definitely one of the most (if not the most) extensively beta tested games. The MP Beta has been in the public since May this year. It as been going on internally within the studio even longer. They learned from KZ1 and want to create the most polished game they can possibly make given the time and money.
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#60 krp008
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Guerrilla's games:

Killzone: 6.9

Killzone: Liberation 8.3

Shellshock: Nam '67 5.4

:lol: Ive just read that Guerrilla is currently making Shellshock 2 as well. Looks like they enjoy making sequels to total flops...

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#61 TREAL_Since
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Guerrilla's games:

Killzone: 6.9

Killzone: Liberation 8.3

Shellshock: Nam '67 5.4

:lol: Ive just read that Guerrilla is currently making Shellshock 2 as well. Looks like they enjoy making sequels to total flops...

krp008
Shellshock 2 is being developed by Rebellion Developments. I want a realistic quality Vietnam game :cry:!!!
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#62 danthegardner99
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And i seriously doubt they would release another flop. Kz1 "flopped" because it was a first outing. They learned from their mistakes and will do better.
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The hopeful part of me sees K2 as a possibility for redemption. The first game was ok, but was clearly on a technology that couldn't support what it wanted to do.

The doubtful part of me realizes that most previews are positive, so they should be taken with a grain of salt. I also see the spotty record of the developer. Additionally, I realize the throwing resources at a project is a natural inclination but hardly a guarantee for success

So yeah. I remain cautiously optimistic.

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#64 danthegardner99
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Guerrilla's games:

Killzone: 6.9

Killzone: Liberation 8.3

Shellshock: Nam '67 5.4

:lol: Ive just read that Guerrilla is currently making Shellshock 2 as well. Looks like they enjoy making sequels to total flops...

I guess you were left out of the loop. That is a page for a 360 game. Last time i checked Guerilla is Sony owned. And i bet you love spewing crap out of your mouth. Hopefully the crap tastes really bad. And you have to throw up because of the taste so you are throwing up crap and barf at the same time. i can smell flaming and a susension, bring it on!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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#65 danthegardner99
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wow that one went in the quote, cool
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#66 spencer_119
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im going top give the game a chance
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#67 skrat_01
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A game's sequel can do better than it's original.

Age of Empires, for example, was merely okay. But Age of Empires 2 was a godsend.

TenP
AOE1 was awesome :? AOE =/= KZ1 AOE>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>KZ1 Totally different standards.
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#68 TREAL_Since
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[QUOTE="TenP"]

A game's sequel can do better than it's original.

Age of Empires, for example, was merely okay. But Age of Empires 2 was a godsend.

skrat_01

AOE1 was awesome :? AOE =/= KZ1 AOE>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>KZ1 Totally different standards.

Review-wise it is a pretty good comparison though regardless of standards. It shows that games can get better.

EDIT: Unless there were god-like RTS games that released the same year as AOE.

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first off the first one wasn't that bad just fell threw because some idiot game jourinalist who got an early preview of it calimed it to be a halo killer and the media ran with it even though Guerrila tried to stop people from getting overhyped. it came out and did have problem and there were magnified by 10 becuase of the whole halo killer comments. Gurilla games is now owned by sony, has had a roumored 40 million plus budget, 100+ staff. besides that people are loving the demo and the MP beta of the game. and just becuase a preview game did bad doesn't mean the next will follow. GTA2 was a bad game and GTA3 will go done in history as one of the greatest games ever. past =/= future
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#70 TREAL_Since
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first off the first one wasn't that bad just fell threw because some idiot game jourinalist who got an early preview of it calimed it to be a halo killer and the media ran with it even though Guerrila tried to stop people from getting overhyped. it came out and did have problem and there were magnified by 10 becuase of the whole halo killer comments. Gurilla games is now owned by sony, has had a roumored 40 million plus budget, 100+ staff. besides that people are loving the demo and the MP beta of the game. and just becuase a preview game did bad doesn't mean the next will follow. GTA2 was a bad game and GTA3 will go done in history as one of the greatest games ever. past =/= futureRagashahs
Exactly. The old "sins of the father" criticism.

I wish more people would look at KZ2 as a sole game and what it offers. What if KZ1 was never made? Looking at what the game actually offers I'm hard pressed to find true reason to not be intrigued (if you are a shooter fan).

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#71 george999819
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first off the first one wasn't that bad just fell threw because some idiot game jourinalist who got an early preview of it calimed it to be a halo killerRagashahs
And the same thing will happen with Killzone 2, but not because of some idiot game journalist... because of some idiot GAMERS.
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#72 FFXIII360
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The PS3 is a flop

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#73 angryfodder
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I liked the first game - it did need some fine tuning though. I didn't think that the character class thing rea;;y worked - it was always best to pick reko or whatever his name was and just blast through.

The guns were cool, but again needed some tuning. IIRC it was easier to pick of things at distance with a pistol than an assualt rifle.

Then there was the annoying auto reload issue.. If you fired the shotgun secondary of the hellgast assualt rifle, he'd reload straight away. Which was not good if the shotgun didn't finish the guy off.

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#74 leadernator
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Everyone step back from the Killzone 2 hype for a minute and think about things: the first Killzone flopped. HARD. So why is the 2nd one being hyped so much? If a flashy trailer came out for Too Human 2 or Haze 2, would we hype them to be these huge AAA games? No? Then why the HECK is this Killzone 2 being hyped to be some amazing AAA shooter that will end the console war? Didn't the last one get in the 6's? I don't understand this hype at all.

death919

Plain and simple, it's not only a simple trailer that warrants KZ2 hype.

Graphically, it is unparalleled on consoles. Gameplaywise, it's no worse than the top shooters out there right now (previewers are saying).

If we saw a Too Human 2 trailer that looked insanely awesome, I'm pretty sure it would be hyped :|

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#75 sh0vet
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Didn't the first xbox flop pretty hard?

Hahaha I made an un-informed potential thread title.

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Killzone flopped so hard, fish out of water laughed at it. It was hyped as "the Halo killer" and ended up being nothing more than a mediocre and excessively repetitive console shooter... moreso than Halo, which is an achievement.

The sequel is going to have to do a lot to make up for the failure of the first game... and all this hype coming from everywhere doesn't help it.
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#77 kingdre
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The success (or lack thereof) of a sequel isn't connected to how the first game did. Just because KZ1 flopped doesn't necessarily mean KZ2 will do the same. But it is understandable if people are more cautious about it.
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#78 brokenps2
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Killzone was alright. It was just a bit boring in the story. Still playing mulitplayer with loads of bots while holding the fort was fun.

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#79 EuroMafia
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Yes.

But ZOMG Killzone 2 has graphics and is exclusive!

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#80 mitu123
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Killzone flopped so hard, fish out of water laughed at it. It was hyped as "the Halo killer" and ended up being nothing more than a mediocre and excessively repetitive console shooter... moreso than Halo, which is an achievement.

The sequel is going to have to do a lot to make up for the failure of the first game... and all this hype coming from everywhere doesn't help it.foxhound_fox
This.
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#81 GeoffZak
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Killzone 2 =/= Killzone 1. But Killzone 1 wasn't that bad anyway, I liked it, I'm sure Killzone 2 will be an improvement.
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#82 thespywholied
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lems are running out of bashing. :D kz 2 is going to rock

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#83 WasntAvailable
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Sometimes you just got to take a chance. Developers can learn from their mistakes. Killzone on the PSP was meant to be a good game, so it's not as if they are inept developers. The game looks pretty good, and people in the beta said they enjoyed it. The previews have been positive (Not that, that says much.), and so it is understandable why people have been positive about the game. It might flop it might not. Taking chances it what System Wars is all about.
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#84 jwsoul
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[QUOTE="lawlessx"]

[QUOTE="signore"]looks like someones a little jealous he cant play Killzone 2. Awwwwwww... im sure the Halo expansion will be OK, stop crying. You lose all credibility when its apparent you dont have a ps3. I only read your first line, and looked at what youre currently playingsignore

so whats you're 360 gamertag?

By the way, sweet grammar. 'What is you are 360 gamertag... does that make sense to you? Learn how to use apostrophes.

You should be modded for posting pointles's stuff about peoples grammer. You some how win the argument with such a childish remark? I think not!

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#85 Floppy_Jim
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Guerilla are almost an entirely different team of people now than they were 4 years ago. And there's been a lot of positive previews. But maybe people just shouldn't look forward to things.
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#86 WasntAvailable
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[QUOTE="signore"][QUOTE="lawlessx"]

so whats you're 360 gamertag?

jwsoul

By the way, sweet grammar. 'What is you are 360 gamertag... does that make sense to you? Learn how to use apostrophes.

You should be modded for posting pointles's stuff about peoples grammer. You some how win the argument with such a childish remark? I think not!

I agree. Incidentally the correct term is moderated, and I don't think you use "'s" at the end of pointless. Sorry, couldn't help it :P.

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#87 angry_fork
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A game's sequel can do better than it's original.TenP

^That. End topic completely.

TC, look up Crash Bandicoot's score on GS to get owned.

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#88 scar-hawk
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looks like someones a little jealous he cant play Killzone 2. Awwwwwww... im sure the Halo expansion will be OK, stop crying. You lose all credibility when its apparent you dont have a ps3. I only read your first line, and looked at what youre currently playingsignore
Look at his sig.
Nearly 4 years of development, 250 developers, 60million dollars, etc.Hitman533
So money + years in development = good game. Look at Too Human. It was in development quite a bit. Did it live up to the hype?
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Isn't it common for all PS3 fans to hype up any type of release? I mean when you're getting your ass kicked by Microsoft it's typcial to look for anything to brag about to bring down the opposition. The same goes towards 360 owners. It's funny how alot of people say sales don't mean anything, but if the PS3 were slaughtering the 360 in sales it would be a totally different situation.

The first killzone sucked. We've all seen games that were suppost to be good, but when they came out they wern't as good as we expected. This could easily, easily, be the case for Killzone 2.

Every PS3 fanboy is waiting for a game that can make the PS3>360 in any kind of way. I say just wait till the game comes out before you start making KZ2>? thread, and start buying games for your consoles instead of hyping up games that are yet to come out. Afterall, Resistance 2 needs it.

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#90 Bren128
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The original killzone had 12 people working on it. Killzone 2 has around 200 or over 200 people working on it. so i mean we least expect to be AA. understandable?

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#91 Kahuna_1
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I hated the first Killzone with a passion. I had to stop playing the game because it was so buggy. But this time it looks like they finally applied some QA to the damn game, and it looks great. I will still wait until I play it before I get too excited though.
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#92 NinjaMunkey01
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I actually played KZ1 and really enjoyed it apart from the bugs.

This new game sould not be called Killzone 2, more Killzone 1 second atempt :P

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#93 VoodooHak
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I actually played KZ1 and really enjoyed it apart from the bugs.

This new game sould not be called Killzone 2, more Killzone 1 second atempt :P

NinjaMunkey01

I'd love a Killzone 1 remake on the PS3. The story was presented pretty well and the ability to play one of four characters was cool... at least on the surface.

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#94 kaangonultas
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read the previews. The gameplay is good this time around.
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#95 mattbbpl
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read the previews. The gameplay is good this time around.kaangonultas
I never trust previews. I learned my lesson years ago. I reserve judgment until titles are released.
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#96 rolo107
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Well, I agreed at first. But now that they have shown us so much, it is clearly going to be better than Killzone 2. However, the hype at first, purely over the graphics was pitiful at best.
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#97 naydaslayer
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Isn't it common for all PS3 fans to hype up any type of release? I mean when you're getting your ass kicked by Microsoft it's typcial to look for anything to brag about to bring down the opposition. The same goes towards 360 owners. It's funny how alot of people say sales don't mean anything, but if the PS3 were slaughtering the 360 in sales it would be a totally different situation.

The first killzone sucked. We've all seen games that were suppost to be good, but when they came out they wern't as good as we expected. This could easily, easily, be the case for Killzone 2.

Every PS3 fanboy is waiting for a game that can make the PS3>360 in any kind of way. I say just wait till the game comes out before you start making KZ2>? thread, and start buying games for your consoles instead of hyping up games that are yet to come out. Afterall, Resistance 2 needs it.

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#98 naydaslayer
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[QUOTE="Hitman533"]Nearly 4 years of development, 250 developers, 60million dollars, etc.mattbbpl
Spiderman 3 had a record budget, and it was terrible. Duke Nukem Forever has eaten up, what, over a decade of development time and few expect it to be worth picking up. Daikatana had a big budget and long development time, and it was terrible. What makes KZ2 different? I'm not saying it can't be good, but the things you listed alone won't make it so.