Digital Foundry: Rise of the Tomb Raider PS4 Pro vs PC 4K

To be fair, this game was just patched and a multiplat that the devs seem to have gone with using xbox one settings for 4k. That said, there are 3 different modes available for the games so it will be interesting to see how the game looks with max settings at 1080p vs PC, I don't have a 4k monitor so I'd be playing at 1080p anyway.

I didn't realize the ps4 pro had the pc nut jobs so scared lol, its almost cringe worthy how pathetic and lame they're acting.

Criticizing people by calling them "pathetic and lame" whilst also calling them nut jobs. You are a special kind of stupid.

@joebones5000: The PS4 pro upscailing and standard 4k upscailing are nothing alike. Standard 4k upscailing looks worse then native 1080p on the PS4.

Wait, I thought you said PC was expensive and a waste of time? What happened now?

Sep 14, 2016. Rule change #8492217: Upscaling is now acceptable.

Don't forget there will be a 1080p 30fps mode with graphics boosted much higher.

No on Xbox One. LOL

@joebones5000: No they don't. A standard 1080p image upscale to 4k will actually look worse. I suggest you check out Digital Foundrys PS4 pro impression. Although they say it doeset match native 4k it is a noticeable leap over 1080p. I believe the PS4 pro renders it in 1440p and upscale from there but not sure.

@Zen_Light: Well of course not the Pro is like 3x more powerful than the XB1.

Most 4K TV's should scale 1080p quite cleanly as 4K is exactly 4x the resolution of 1080p.

Bu bu but the Scorpiohno might be coming out in November of 2017! lol how they grasp

@Zen_Light: By that time all XB1 owners would have already played ROTR to death.

PC Pro is launching later this year and should alleviate those issues.

The idea of playing in any kind of 4K mode on the PS4 Pro sounds completely unappealing.

It's painfully obvious that it's not powerful enough for that resolution. Downsampled 1080p and 60FPS framerates is what this thing should be used for.

It's what most will use it for. All the noise posted here about 4k is just that.

I Max this game out at 1440p on an IPS monitor but I've come to realise this game only looks 5% of the time and that would be just the start of the game. The graphics for the majority of the game is pretty shit

Why are you guys ignoring that brilliant post lol?

@emgesp: The PS4 pro doesn't do a simple upscale. It's pretty lol worthy to think that people think a 4k tv will do everything the Pro does.

But you're comparing up-scaling to native, perhaps think about that.

So the argument comes down to 'at least you can upscale'.

People have been bitching about up-scaling on SWs for forever. How come, every time something comes around to the Playstation. it's okay? Games were multiplat with PC on the 360, bad (has no games, bad), but it's cool on the Playstation this gen. Online subscription on Xbox, bad (like 4 threads a week bad), but on Playstation, no one raises an eyebrow. The 360 and Xbox One upscale, equals bad, but it's cool when it's on Playstation. I don't get it.

I'm not even arguing for Xbox, but why always the double standard.

@Wasdie: i see your point, the thing is they could've done a better job with the console. And one who spends that amount of money on a 4K TV obviously can afford a high end product (why he or she should settle for less? i mean, it's not even native 4K, with settings dialed down) , so i kinda can get behind Scorpio for 4K gaming but PS4 Pro ....not much

However, it's too soon to pass on a judgement, we have to wait and see how these mid-gen consoles actually run the games.

Is it worth buying a 4KTV and a Pro? I was told by owners of 4KTVs that they notice a decent enough upgrade when playing PS3/PS4/360?Xone games.

What do you expect. Upgraded gpu bht same crap cpu so same bottle neck. Honestly seems like you'd get the most out of the pspro if they just stuck with 1080p

lmao, so true

@Quicksilver128: What I'm saying is 1080p source can scale and look very nice on a 4K Display because its easier to scale 1080p than something that isn't a multiple of 4K.

@NFJSupreme: 1080p will still see benefits with the Pro.

CPU usage actually goes down when resolution increases.

I don't understand what's so funny. Are you guys seriously implying that I didn't post it because of on negative thing about the graphics? Seriously? Did you both forget that I posted a DF video that praises FH3 and I mentioned that I was interested in the PC version since I don't own an Xbox? You guys are clowns...

Not to mention the video was uploaded and thread was created while I was underground commuting to work.

No, we're not clowns, we're just very observant.

So what have you observed? That I have a life outside of the forums and don't sit at my computer 24/7 to argue about video games? Good job then...

You're generally always the first person to post these, you generally only post PlayStation 4 DF analysis' in a positive light when things are smooth, and generally post Xbox One analysis' in a negative light when there are problems.

You do mix things up a bit, however you have a tell so to speak of exactly what you're doing, you post positive Xbox and negative PlayStation videos sparsely to maintain the facade and appearance of you not holding a bias when you in fact do have one. You have a record of predominantly posting these videos exactly as I stated above in the first line, predominantly enough to where people are noticing that this is a negative video for the PlayStation 4 Pro, and that you didn't post it, noticeable enough to imply you purposely ignored it.

We're just calling things as we see them, and given where we are, no matter what you say in reply I'm going to believe the above because it absolutely fits the narrative of what people like you do around here.

SolidTy 2.0.

Can you bring up some examples?

No, because I didn't care enough to remember, but I cared enough to notice it taking place, as did others it would appear. If someone else feels the need to dig through your thousands of posts then more power to them, like I said, it's an observation.

Figured you wouldn't so I went ahead and did it for you (once again). And I like how you say others, like it's so many of you, but it seems to be just you and mat.

http://www.gamespot.com/forums/system-wars-314159282/xbox-project-scorpio-complete-spec-analysis-digita-33230763/

"12 GB of GDDR5? HBM? Single chip? Can it do 4K? Will 4K be upscaled and not native?" That video barely had any comments too, where were you guys at?

http://www.gamespot.com/forums/system-wars-314159282/battlefront-xbo-analysis-digital-foundry-32665294/

"720p and drops below 50 FPS?" "SW stuff aside, it actually sucks that dice couldn't do anything to that engine to make it at least 900p. Like the video says, they had two years with both boxes and it's the same story."

http://www.gamespot.com/forums/system-wars-314159282/digital-foundry-until-dawn-tech-and-frame-analysis-32607009/

"It's apparently a good looking game, but that comes at performance cost. Didn't know they were using Shadowfall's engine."

http://www.gamespot.com/forums/system-wars-314159282/digital-foundry-assassins-creed-performance-and-st-32697834/

"Of course, they're only measuring cutscenes, which stress the GPU. It shouldn't be surprising that we see harder frame drops on the Xbox One vs the PS4." "I agree. They really need to give these devs more time. I'm sure if they were spaced out like the earlier AC's they would be able to get things running better. This feels like a downgrade, even if the game is running slightly better."

http://www.gamespot.com/forums/system-wars-314159282/digital-foundry-bloodborne-old-hunters-analysis-32789021/

"The game is an almost consistent 30 FPS. Still has pacing issues, but overall stable."

http://www.gamespot.com/forums/system-wars-314159282/uncharted-collection-digital-foundry-analysis-32620398/

"Looks like they did a good job with it overall. Too bad for no MP though. Skipping this one though, as I've already played all three."

http://www.gamespot.com/forums/system-wars-314159282/digital-foundry-fallout-4-ps4-patch-102-32826645/

"Performance greatly improves, but still drops occasionally."

http://www.gamespot.com/forums/system-wars-314159282/star-wars-battlefront-beta-is-900p-on-ps4-720p-on--32669669/ -

Hey look I was late to post one!

http://www.gamespot.com/forums/system-wars-314159282/quantum-break-pc-performance-gtx-970-vs-r9-390-33086654/

"TrainWreck" because it was a mess on PC. Even Kvally was disapointed about it.

http://www.gamespot.com/forums/system-wars-314159282/forza-6-df-tech-analysis-32601171/

"Definitely some sacrifices made. But it seems to have paid of in order to get the 60 FPS."

http://www.gamespot.com/forums/system-wars-314159282/fallout-4-stress-test-on-consoles-32760863/

"Pick your poison when playing Fallout 4 on consoles. PS4 sucks at gunfights (down to 15 fps big fights) or Xbox One's stutter glitch and over all frame dips while exploring. This is just a bad engine that needs serious fixing in terms of performance."

http://www.gamespot.com/forums/system-wars-314159282/trackmania-turbo-ps4-vs-xbox-one-frame-rate-test-33054931/

"PS4 dips a bit, but Xbox One dips further with tearing. Playing the same race more than once performs differently each time."

EDIT: Forgot one:

http://www.gamespot.com/forums/system-wars-314159282/dirt-rally-ps4-vs-xbox-one-gameplay-frame-rate-tes-33065149/

"99% parity achieved. PS4/XBO is 1080p/60fps PS4 tears a bit when crashing while Xbox One drops some frames. Happens rarely. Texture streaming slightly better on PS4"

So can you point out that bias now? Maybe, just maybe, I'm paraphrasing DF for people who can't watch the video so they can have a discussion? And if you look at DF's videos, they all have negative things to say about every game on every system, which I point out as well. You're observation skills need work.

Classic projection. Just because @dynamitecop tries to pretend he's not a lem, he thinks everyone else is doing the same. Nope.

um why would it go down?

More processing is offloaded to the GPU's and the game becomes less CPU dependent.

The more you lower a resolution, the more it will become CPU bound, the more you increase a resolution, the more it will become GPU bound.

It's just the way it works.

I own a 4k TV and it has absolutely no benefit on PS4/PS3/360 games etc. The games still look great on it but its best to set the TV to 1080p to match the console. If you upscale PS4 to 4k it looks worse then if you run the 4k tv in 1080p. This however is not the case with the pro. According to DF it offers a noticeable increase to 1080p and even 1440p although it is not equal to native 4k. I really would like to see it myself because its pretty much impossible to see the 4k/HDR benefits on youtube videos but they said they were pretty substantial. What pisses me off though is my 4k tv doesnt have HDR so I may need to upgrade.

but when you are running on locked fps the cpu demand does not change when the other settings stay the same and the viewport is the same?

I'm just asking why would the cpu usage go down in this particular situation as I don't see a reason why it would on locked 30fps

All I know is that when you increase the resolution, the CPU is used less and less and more resources on it are actually freed up as they offload to the GPU.

I remember when the PS4 was going to play every game at 1080/60fps

Don't get ahead of yourselves. Baby steps now

I'm pretty sure the tasks remain the same regardless of resolution, unless you can provide me with some proof stating otherwise. The tasks better suited for gpu that are possible to be offloaded to the gpu are done on gpu regardless of the resolution already.

@Quicksilver128: 4K TV's will always upscale a 1080p source to 4K, there is no 1080p setting.

I already proved the decrease in usage yesterday, I can't give you citing specific reasons as to exactly what it happening, just that it is.

http://www.gamespot.com/forums/system-wars-314159282/playstation-4-pro-vs-xbox-one-scorpio-33360243/?page=2#js-message-354375607

Perhaps its my receiver that does it. Regardless the PS4 looks better when I set it to 1080p then it does in 4k.