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#51 Bretter2200
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lol

Uncharted 3 wins

Cow4ever

Derp, I can say Gears of war 3 wins to.

Derp

By the way, those stating it lacks A.A is incorrect. Compare the jags from the beta to the final retail build. It's quite a revalation. I see a major difference.

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#52 tormentos
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[QUOTE="Mozelleple112"][QUOTE="o0HAPPY0o"] Now whats really sad is that there are ZERO PS3 games that can feature hi-res alpha, high quality textures, motion blur, shadows and lighting at 720p all together while still providing a 4 player campaign co-op. UC2, KZ3 and GOW3 can't even use hi res alpha effects like Gears3 does because of the fail limited bandwidth on PS3.

o0HAPPY0o

And yet reviewers don't mention anything about Gears 3's graphics in their reviews, while UC2, KZ3, Gow3 etc get called "best graphics ever" etc.

That's strange.. because chris Watters makes a reference about Gears of Wars gorgeous visuals at about 00:47 you probably weren't paying attention. And plenty of creditable review sites have praised Crysis2 (360) for it's visuals vs PS3 exclusives also, didn't John Carmack praise the capabilities of the 360 over the PS3 in a recent tweet? So in short.. you can just drop "The Powa of the Mighty PS3" argument because it doesn't exist.

John Carmack doesn't like difficult hardware,he has a beef with Cell pretty much before the PS3 even came out,in fact he claimed the PS3 has more Raw power,but latter on he has been trying to change his argument more and more. Now he credit the 360 GPU as been great,but when it comes the time to do the same with Cell he doesn't and actually claim both CPU are about the same,which is a utter lie.
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#53 o0HAPPY0o
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[QUOTE="tormentos"][QUOTE="CorbraMax"]Nope. Textures are better in Gears 3. Notice the poor filtering in that UC3 shot...Cow4ever
Go see and eye specialist you need help for your eyes,those textures on Gears screen low horrible,and no matter what filter is been use on UC3 ones,it does look sharper and better,that screen is not even debatable. Maybe you can argue that it is a bad screen of Gears,but other than that no is clear UC one looks better.

I got those pics from the thread he recommended. But still anyone that thinks gears have better textures in this screen must be the world's biggest fanboy.

Anyone can cherry pic screens from a game you know.

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#54 Bretter2200
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[QUOTE="Cow4ever"]

lol

Uncharted 3 wins

Bretter2200

Derp, I can say Gears of war 3 wins to.

Derp

By the way, those stating it lacks A.A is incorrect. Compare the jags from the beta to the final retail build. It's quite a revalation. I see a major difference.

Once more, and this. And screen tearing wise; it's not using triple buffering. So it won't get input lag. A.A is obvious there and frame drops really aren't prevelent in the campaign. Well, from what I've played.

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#55 tormentos
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By the way, those stating it lacks A.A is incorrect. Compare the jags from the beta to the final retail build. It's quite a revalation. I see a major difference.Bretter2200
Don't fight me fight Digital Foundry who is the one stating lack of AA. Also those tiny screens you posted don't really help you at all,also one of the benefits of motion blur is to hide jaggies,so jaggies not been as visible could actually mean more motion blur and not that the game actually features AA.
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#56 Bretter2200
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[QUOTE="Bretter2200"]By the way, those stating it lacks A.A is incorrect. Compare the jags from the beta to the final retail build. It's quite a revalation. I see a major difference.tormentos
Don't fight me fight Digital Foundry who is the one stating lack of AA. Also those tiny screens you posted don't really help you at all,also one of the benefits of motion blur is to hide jaggies,so jaggies not been as visible could actually mean more motion blur and not that the game actually features AA.

Well, the beta had MB. And from what I've played of the retail build it hasn't increased, though jags have lessend.

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#57 tormentos
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Anyone can cherry pic screens from a game you know. Tell me, where are the great textures here? Show me please.o0HAPPY0o
Yes which is what i say is about the only thing that can be argue about that Gears 3 screen,been a bad capture,but the guy who actually quote him was trying to say Gears 3 look better,by downplaying filtering on PS3,from those shots it was clear uncharted 3 ones where crisper,sharper and over all better looking. Where ever is a bad capture or not that is another thing.
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#58 topgunmv
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Pictures of the floor.

I called it.

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Funny thing is none of them look particularly great.

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#59 mitu123
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I can't believe people said Gears 2 maxed out the 360...

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#60 15strong
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I can't believe people said Gears 2 maxed out the 360...

mitu123

The consoles were maxed out years ago, remember...

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#61 mitu123
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How did Uncharted 3 get into this thread?:lol: Personally, it's a bitoverhyped in graphics, it doesn't even look better than Gears 3 besides a few things and in some cases it looks worse...

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#62 ccagracing
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I still think Crysis 2 looks best and if Crytek developed it for only a single platform it would have surpassed any exclusive from either platform. When I look at the scale of Crysis 2 compared to Uncharted & Gears its actually amazing what they have acheived on a multiplatform game. Gears is probably my favourtie game this generation and the graphics are great but Crysis 2 pips it for me.

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#63 mitu123
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[QUOTE="mitu123"]

I can't believe people said Gears 2 maxed out the 360...

15strong

The consoles were maxed out years ago, remember...

And yet we have better looking games now, I remember people saying Killzone 2 and Uncharted 2 were the peak of the PS3, and what did ya know, it's still pumping out some graphically impressive games.

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#64 Mozelleple112
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How did Uncharted 3 get into this thread?:lol: Personally, it's a bitoverhyped in graphics, it doesn't even look better than Gears 3 besides a few things and in some cases it looks worse...

mitu123
The title is Gears of War 3. Didn't you read ? :P
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#65 mitu123
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[QUOTE="mitu123"]

How did Uncharted 3 get into this thread?:lol: Personally, it's a bitoverhyped in graphics, it doesn't even look better than Gears 3 besides a few things and in some cases it looks worse...

Mozelleple112

The title is Gears of War 3. Didn't you read ? :P

Yes, and I see people mentioning Uncharted 3, even pics like this one:

Could use some AA...

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[QUOTE="o0HAPPY0o"]Anyone can cherry pic screens from a game you know. Tell me, where are the great textures here? Show me please.tormentos
Yes which is what i say is about the only thing that can be argue about that Gears 3 screen,been a bad capture,but the guy who actually quote him was trying to say Gears 3 look better,by downplaying filtering on PS3,from those shots it was clear uncharted 3 ones where crisper,sharper and over all better looking. Where ever is a bad capture or not that is another thing.

I'm going to say this one more time. Gears 3 has more detailed textures and better texture filtering. Hell... Even Killzone 3 has better filtering than UC1-3.

Look at the pics and use common sense.

Gears3

Gears 3

Gears 3

As for Uncharted 3... Naughty Dog should ditch MLAA altogether... Because it is seriously NOT WORKING correctly. All it is doing is blurring the image.

UC3

Now look at the texture filtering in this Uncharted 3 shot. There's many more I can show you if you think I'm "cherry picking".

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#67 Diviniuz
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how the heck did uncharted 3 get brought into here and why are we comparing rocks from multiplayer betas

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#68 Diviniuz
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Derp, I can say Gears of war 3 wins to.

Derp

By the way, those stating it lacks A.A is incorrect. Compare the jags from the beta to the final retail build. It's quite a revalation. I see a major difference.

Bretter2200

listen chewy33, the differences between the rocks is that you actively walked on those rocks on gears 3, they were the floor pattern of the lvl. Those rocks of UC3 weren't, they were off to the side randomly. There is a difference.

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#69 ohgeez
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how the heck did uncharted 3 get brought into here and why are we comparing rocks from multiplayer betas

Diviniuz
Haha that is the nature of system wars. Always boils down to graphics threads about rocks. I got a good chuckle out of the fact that there is no AA in gears 3 and people were raving about how awesome their AA solution was, you know, the one that doesn't exist. But gears 3 DOES look pretty good. Just goes to show that there are many things that factor into how the final product will look
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#70 o0HAPPY0o
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[QUOTE="o0HAPPY0o"]

[QUOTE="Mozelleple112"] And yet reviewers don't mention anything about Gears 3's graphics in their reviews, while UC2, KZ3, Gow3 etc get called "best graphics ever" etc.tormentos

That's strange.. because chris Watters makes a reference about Gears of Wars gorgeous visuals at about 00:47 you probably weren't paying attention. And plenty of creditable review sites have praised Crysis2 (360) for it's visuals vs PS3 exclusives also, didn't John Carmack praise the capabilities of the 360 over the PS3 in a recent tweet? So in short.. you can just drop "The Powa of the Mighty PS3" argument because it doesn't exist.

John Carmack doesn't like difficult hardware,he has a beef with Cell pretty much before the PS3 even came out,in fact he claimed the PS3 has more Raw power,but latter on he has been trying to change his argument more and more. Now he credit the 360 GPU as been great,but when it comes the time to do the same with Cell he doesn't and actually claim both CPU are about the same,which is a utter lie.

As far as John Carmack is concerned I don't think that difficult hardware is the issue here, inconvenient maybe, but not difficult. He has always claimed the the Cell has more "theoretical" peak power while maintaining that the differences where "marginal" at best. As for his latest tweet, maybe he's just getting sick of people asking him the same question over and over again for the past seven years and decided to finally be done with it. Can't say that i blame him.

Theoretical - Definition: Lacking practical application or actual existance; hypothetical

Marginal - Definition: At the outer or lower limits; minimal for requirements; almost insufficient: marginal subsistence; marginal ability.

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#71 ohgeez
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listen chewy33, the differences between the rocks is that you actively walked on those rocks on gears 3, they were the floor pattern of the lvl. Those rocks of UC3 weren't, they were off to the side randomly. There is a difference.

Diviniuz

Nahhh you can actually walk on those ones in uncharted 3, I know EXACTLY the spot this picture was taken, but the angle at which it is taken is about 10 degrees from horizontal with the ground, would make anything look bad.

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#72 Bretter2200
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[QUOTE="Bretter2200"]

Derp, I can say Gears of war 3 wins to.

Derp

By the way, those stating it lacks A.A is incorrect. Compare the jags from the beta to the final retail build. It's quite a revalation. I see a major difference.

Diviniuz

listen chewy33, the differences between the rocks is that you actively walked on those rocks on gears 3, they were the floor pattern of the lvl. Those rocks of UC3 weren't, they were off to the side randomly. There is a difference.

You mean a mesh. Yeah I know, generally both have areas that aren't exactly the pinnacle of texturing. And it's not hard to pick an area and or refined texture from Gears of war 3/Uncharted 3 and compare them to make which ever one you prefer look superior. I own both, I honestly both will host some visually stunning moments but can't tell the difference really.

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#73 harshv82
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I just love the double standards here in SW. Gears of War 3 "OMGZ GRAPHIX KING", saw some consolites arguing in SW of a badly compressed image from PC and xbox saying they look the same. Anyways on topic, aside from Gears 3 looking better, the gameplay has improved so it's good.
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#74 Diviniuz
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[QUOTE="Diviniuz"]

[QUOTE="Bretter2200"]

Derp, I can say Gears of war 3 wins to.

Derp

By the way, those stating it lacks A.A is incorrect. Compare the jags from the beta to the final retail build. It's quite a revalation. I see a major difference.

Bretter2200

listen chewy33, the differences between the rocks is that you actively walked on those rocks on gears 3, they were the floor pattern of the lvl. Those rocks of UC3 weren't, they were off to the side randomly. There is a difference.

You mean a mesh. Yeah I know, generally both have areas that aren't exactly the pinnacle of texturing. And it's not hard to pick an area and or refined texture from Gears of war 3/Uncharted 3 and compare them to make which ever one you prefer look superior. I own both, I honestly both will host some visually stunning moments but can't tell the difference really.

you own UC3?

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#75 Bretter2200
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[QUOTE="Bretter2200"]

[QUOTE="Diviniuz"] listen chewy33, the differences between the rocks is that you actively walked on those rocks on gears 3, they were the floor pattern of the lvl. Those rocks of UC3 weren't, they were off to the side randomly. There is a difference.

Diviniuz

You mean a mesh. Yeah I know, generally both have areas that aren't exactly the pinnacle of texturing. And it's not hard to pick an area and or refined texture from Gears of war 3/Uncharted 3 and compare them to make which ever one you prefer look superior. I own both, I honestly both will host some visually stunning moments but can't tell the difference really.

you own UC3?

No, only Gears of war 3. Though I have played the UC3 beta. And of course, have seen near gold footage.

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#76 TrapJak
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This is getting sad. I thought people would at least wait till November..

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#77 Reiko2K1
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This is getting sad. I thought people would at least wait till November..

TrapJak

Unless the PS3 gets a serious RAM upgrade in the next month... I really doubt you will seeGod of War 3 MLAA quality in UC3...

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[QUOTE="Cow4ever"][QUOTE="o0HAPPY0o"]That's strange.. because chris Watters makes a reference about Gears of Wars gorgeous visuals at about 00:47 you probably weren't paying attention. And plenty of creditable review sites have praised Crysis3 (360) for it's visuals vs PS3 exclusives also, didn't John Carmack praise the capabilities of the 360 over the PS3 in a recent tweet? So in short.. you can just drop "The Powa of the Mighty PS3" argument because it doesn't exist.

o0HAPPY0o

Oh pulease don't don't bring up Crysis 2. Let the big boys (Gears, Uncharted etc) fight. Crysis 2 would be massacred.

What are you on about? I brought Crysis2 up because you mentioned KZ3 and Gow3. As for Crysis2 getting massacred.. real mature statement there. If you want to dispute something with me at least re-read what you post plz.

I didn't say anything about KZ3 or GoW3. And I don't understand. Crysis 2 looks way worse than these or gears 3 also.
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#79 Cow4ever
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[QUOTE="Cow4ever"]

Uncharted 3 wins

Bretter2200

Derp, I can say Gears of war 3 wins to.

By the way, those stating it lacks A.A is incorrect. Compare the jags from the beta to the final retail build. It's quite a revalation. I see a major difference.

Well TBH it doesn't look like it's worse textures or anything just really badly designed stones or whatever it's suppose to be, and that's the only place Uncharted 3 looks bad. Gears 3 has relatively bad textures throughout as you can see in your own pics as well. And honestly can't see the difference on these which is the beta? Im just saying cause that's what the eurogamer article says.

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#80 rumbalumba
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wow so it turns out that Gears 3 has no AA whatsoever? ROFL.

where are those people that were knocking UC3 because of AA?

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#81 Diviniuz
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[QUOTE="Bretter2200"]

[QUOTE="Cow4ever"]

Uncharted 3 wins

Cow4ever

Derp, I can say Gears of war 3 wins to.

By the way, those stating it lacks A.A is incorrect. Compare the jags from the beta to the final retail build. It's quite a revalation. I see a major difference.

Well TBH it doesn't look like it's worse textures or anything just really badly designed stones or whatever it's suppose to be, and that's the only place Uncharted 3 looks bad. Gears 3 has relatively bad textures throughout as you can see in your own pics as well. And honestly can't see the difference on these which is the beta? Im just saying cause that's what the eurogamer article says.

Gears 3 has relatively bad textures to what? What is it relative to? Relative to other console games or PC games, because for a console game, gears 3 textures are great

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#82 rumbalumba
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just watched the Digital Foundry thing.

tearing, no AA, framerate dips to as low as 24 fps. really??? that's the best-looking 360 game ever? bahahahaah. :lol: and people are expecting this to win a Graphics award?

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#83 Cow4ever
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Uncharted DF!

lol

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#84 Cow4ever
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[QUOTE="Cow4ever"]

[QUOTE="Bretter2200"]

Derp, I can say Gears of war 3 wins to.

By the way, those stating it lacks A.A is incorrect. Compare the jags from the beta to the final retail build. It's quite a revalation. I see a major difference.

Diviniuz

Well TBH it doesn't look like it's worse textures or anything just really badly designed stones or whatever it's suppose to be, and that's the only place Uncharted 3 looks bad. Gears 3 has relatively bad textures throughout as you can see in your own pics as well. And honestly can't see the difference on these which is the beta? Im just saying cause that's what the eurogamer article says.

Gears 3 has relatively bad textures to what? What is it relative to? Relative to other console games or PC games, because for a console game, gears 3 textures are great

Not compared to the top PS3 exclusives