FYI wii costs $180 to produce at launch and by 2009 cost of manufacturing decreased by 45% to $88. Nintendo sales cheap hardware at a huge markup. http://www.xbitlabs.com/news/multimedia/display/20090407124321_Nintendo_Wii_Costs_Roughly_88_to_Manufacture__Analysts.htmlIt is to early to judge the console's graphics because nothing has been released yet. Not the games, not the console, not even specs, until someone has purchased a final version of a Wii-U game, it is ridiculous to judge them in any means. When they come out, bash and complain all you want, but right now you all look quick to discredit something.
Also, I think people forget how big of a leap this gen was and expect it again. Because of how big that leap was it would be hard to make affordable hardware that can surpass it by what has been anticipated, remember how expensive it was this gen? The Wii was still 250, and I think they only made a ten dollar profit on each sold. Nintendo aren't going to take that loss, they don't have back-up or anything to save them from financial issues if losses get high enough.
TilxWLOC
Digital Foundry vs. Wii-U
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[QUOTE="bonesawisready5"]
[QUOTE="Gue1"]
Ninja Gaiden 3 runs at 30 frames, what a joke!
mitu123
To be fair Nintendo has made them add dismemberment and other features into it.
Shouldn't it be higher for these kinds of games anyways?It certainly riled up DMC fans up when they found out DMC was 30fps instead of 60fps. 60fps is want you want, but 30fps is playable.
[QUOTE="TilxWLOC"]
[QUOTE="ShuichiChamp24"]
Should be interesting to see what happens with the recent devkits. Unoptimized and first batch of games, love it.
Rockman999
Sometimes I wonder what would happen if Nintendo did release the PC that everyone was expect,how would they ridicule it then? A lot of these people, save for painguy, were ready to hate this thing from the beginning.
All people want is for Nintendo to get over themselves and properly accommodate the 3rd party developers. They're the only console manufacturer that truly believes they are above the entire industry and that's why their consoles after the SNES have constantly gotten shafted.
I hope you don't honestly believe that. First off, the reason they lost third parties after the SNES was the PS1. Notice how the DS still has a lot of third parties? PSP wasn't as appealing to everyone. PS1 was a casual system, it had a wicked gimmick that everybody loved, the CD, people ate up that system, even my dad, at the time. It was this big new system out of nowhere with a new type of storage system. About Nintendo thinking they are above everybody else, no, Nintendo may have had a strict policy for third parties, but they seem to try and support them where necessary. They are even helping Team Ninja with Ninja Gaiden 3, and let them make Other M's gameplay. Capcom made a few handheld Zelda games, and they even let Philips make Mario/Zelda games, bad ones, but they let them have the IP for a few games.
If there is one thing Nintendo does, it is close themselves off, which isn't necessarily a problem, but it can be.
Also PS3 would have sold like hotcakes with their Blue-Ray drive, if it wasn't so expensive, but it was.
[QUOTE="Tessellation"]alien colonial marines dev said the wii u version is the best looking one on consoles and it uses deferred lighting tech.xhawk27
Better than the PC version? :lol:
learn how to read.[QUOTE="TilxWLOC"]
It is to early to judge the console's graphics because nothing has been released yet. Not the games, not the console, not even specs, until someone has purchased a final version of a Wii-U game, it is ridiculous to judge them in any means. When they come out, bash and complain all you want, but right now you all look quick to discredit something.
Also, I think people forget how big of a leap this gen was and expect it again. Because of how big that leap was it would be hard to make affordable hardware that can surpass it by what has been anticipated, remember how expensive it was this gen? The Wii was still 250, and I think they only made a ten dollar profit on each sold. Nintendo aren't going to take that loss, they don't have back-up or anything to save them from financial issues if losses get high enough.
MFDOOM1983
FYI wii costs $180 to produce at launch and by 2009 cost of manufacturing decreased by 45% to $88. Nintendo sales cheap hardware at a huge markup. http://www.xbitlabs.com/news/multimedia/display/20090407124321_Nintendo_Wii_Costs_Roughly_88_to_Manufacture__Analysts.html
Oh, cool, didn't know that, still companies should be able to make money. It is what they do. Especially when you consider the position they were in, it makes sense. Even without, like I said, its a company, they sell you products to make money, to make more products. You can't fault them for their job.
[QUOTE="Tessellation"][QUOTE="xhawk27"]learn how to read. On System Wars? :lol: i said consoles for a reason,if people lack of reading skills n look dumb is their problem.Better than the PC version? :lol:
Voyant
[QUOTE="MFDOOM1983"]
[QUOTE="TilxWLOC"]
It is to early to judge the console's graphics because nothing has been released yet. Not the games, not the console, not even specs, until someone has purchased a final version of a Wii-U game, it is ridiculous to judge them in any means. When they come out, bash and complain all you want, but right now you all look quick to discredit something.
Also, I think people forget how big of a leap this gen was and expect it again. Because of how big that leap was it would be hard to make affordable hardware that can surpass it by what has been anticipated, remember how expensive it was this gen? The Wii was still 250, and I think they only made a ten dollar profit on each sold. Nintendo aren't going to take that loss, they don't have back-up or anything to save them from financial issues if losses get high enough.
TilxWLOC
FYI wii costs $180 to produce at launch and by 2009 cost of manufacturing decreased by 45% to $88. Nintendo sales cheap hardware at a huge markup. http://www.xbitlabs.com/news/multimedia/display/20090407124321_Nintendo_Wii_Costs_Roughly_88_to_Manufacture__Analysts.html
Oh, cool, didn't know that, still companies should be able to make money. It is what they do. Especially when you consider the position they were in, it makes sense. Even without, like I said, its a company, they sell you products to make money, to make more products. You can't fault them for their job.
What position? The numbers that leaked showed that nintendo made more money(most likely due to GBA sales and cheap manufacturing costs of gc.) than sony last gen. I don't fault them for striving to sale hardware for a profit at launch, but I will applaud MS and Sony for delivering more console per dollar to consumers. It's the reason why 360 and ps3 both have legs meanwhile wii seems to have flatlined.[QUOTE="Voyant"][QUOTE="Tessellation"] learn how to read.TessellationOn System Wars? :lol: i said consoles for a reason,if people lack of reading skills n look dumb is their problem.
Oh didn't see that part, I am too busy trying to bash systems I hate to read! :lol:
i said consoles for a reason,if people lack of reading skills n look dumb is their problem.[QUOTE="Tessellation"][QUOTE="Voyant"] On System Wars? :lol:xhawk27
Oh didn't see that part, I am too busy trying to bash systems I hate to read! :lol:
ok,just try to hate on the ps3 more.[QUOTE="TilxWLOC"]
[QUOTE="MFDOOM1983"]
FYI wii costs $180 to produce at launch and by 2009 cost of manufacturing decreased by 45% to $88. Nintendo sales cheap hardware at a huge markup. http://www.xbitlabs.com/news/multimedia/display/20090407124321_Nintendo_Wii_Costs_Roughly_88_to_Manufacture__Analysts.html
MFDOOM1983
Oh, cool, didn't know that, still companies should be able to make money. It is what they do. Especially when you consider the position they were in, it makes sense. Even without, like I said, its a company, they sell you products to make money, to make more products. You can't fault them for their job.
What position? The numbers that leaked showed that nintendo made more money(most likely due to GBA sales and cheap manufacturing costs of gc.) than sony last gen. I don't fault them for striving to sale hardware for a profit at launch, but I will applaud MS and Sony for delivering more console per dollar to consumers. It's the reason why 360 and ps3 both have legs meanwhile wii seems to have flatlined.
Ah! right, the GBA, I forgot, didn't really think passed consoles there.
Yeah, you are right, it is nice that the consumer can get that power, but its kind of destroying Sony, so much debt, not much money. I don't know, I guess it depends on the consumer, I'm most definitely not done with my Wii. The more money the company makes without me having to overspend my money, keeps the economy nice and sweet. It allows them to put out better products, and keep things cheap.
So for me, and some others, I don't see the point in bashing the Wii-U for decent quality hardware, as long as it keep the checks balanced, you see what I mean? If the hardware is good enough to put out the software I want, I don't care how much better it could have been. If the rest of next gen arrives and they have too much power for the Wii-U to handle and I lose multiplats, I'll be bummed, but okay, because it would've been too expensive for me from the beginning, and when those prices lower I'll get to play the others too.
[QUOTE="Rockman999"]
[QUOTE="TilxWLOC"]
Sometimes I wonder what would happen if Nintendo did release the PC that everyone was expect,how would they ridicule it then? A lot of these people, save for painguy, were ready to hate this thing from the beginning.
TilxWLOC
All people want is for Nintendo to get over themselves and properly accommodate the 3rd party developers. They're the only console manufacturer that truly believes they are above the entire industry and that's why their consoles after the SNES have constantly gotten shafted.
I hope you don't honestly believe that. First off, the reason they lost third parties after the SNES was the PS1. Notice how the DS still has a lot of third parties? PSP wasn't as appealing to everyone. PS1 was a casual system, it had a wicked gimmick that everybody loved, the CD, people ate up that system, even my dad, at the time. It was this big new system out of nowhere with a new type of storage system. About Nintendo thinking they are above everybody else, no, Nintendo may have had a strict policy for third parties, but they seem to try and support them where necessary. They are even helping Team Ninja with Ninja Gaiden 3, and let them make Other M's gameplay. Capcom made a few handheld Zelda games, and they even let Philips make Mario/Zelda games, bad ones, but they let them have the IP for a few games.
If there is one thing Nintendo does, it is close themselves off, which isn't necessarily a problem, but it can be.
Also PS3 would have sold like hotcakes with their Blue-Ray drive, if it wasn't so expensive, but it was.
Iwata is rather different from his predecessor, but from the days of Hiroshi Yamauchi:
"[People who play RPGs are] depressed gamers who like to sit alone in their dark rooms and play slow games," he noted in a 1999 interview. Yamauchi - who incidentally has prided himself on the fact that he has never played a videogame - went on to call RPGs as a whole both "silly and boring."
"There is no truth to an agreement between Nintendo and Square," said Yamauchi."[Square] is free to say what they want, but there are no plans for a contract, and the chances that there will be one in the future are low."
In 2001, after Square expressed interest in working on future Nintendo platforms, Yamauchi told Bloomberg Japan that Nintendo would not allow that to happen. "There is no contract with Square, and that matter is not open to further discussion," Yamauchi told the financial news service. "[Square] can say whatever they want, but we have no intention of signing a contract, and there's little chance of one being signed in the future."
"We're not expecting to be accepted by Nintendo right away, but we're doing everything to get the relationship positive again. The most important thing about management is the ability of having several choices. It is hard to loose one of these. We have to try to convince Nintendo, by showing them our plans for GBA and GameCube that we will boost their hardware sales" said Mr. Suzuki, Square's president.
Excerpt from an old IGN piece about Yamauchi: "Because of his brashness and the #1 market position that first Nintendo console attained, Hiroshi Yamauchi became like an untouchable king sitting on a throne of millions and millions of dollars. Third-party licensees had to come to him begging for the right to make games for his machine, and he crafted business deals so airtight that Nintendo would make huge profits even if a third party's games failed to sell."
http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-vs-wiiu-e3-2012
It's safe to say that last year's Wii U E3 debut left us with more questions than we had answers. It was clear that Nintendo has once again stepped back from the technological arms race that had cost its competitors billions in losses, and was focusing on controller-driven concept games that it felt had a greater chance of mainstream success. However, at the same time, the console was being released seven years after the debut of Xbox 360, so surely it had to reflect the generational leaps in technology we've seen since then? The demos suggested otherwise and, one year later, the evidence suggests that not a great deal has changed.MFDOOM1983
But Nintendo's E3 showing effectively confirms that there is no unambiguous, generational leap in raw processing power here compared to the current HD consoles, and prior claims that the machine hosts twice the power of the Xbox 360 clearly ring hollow.
Instead, the assets released by Nintendo in particular are notable in how "lo-fi" they are: its own screenshots confirm that some of its most simplistic titles are running at basic 720p resolution with no kind of anti-aliasing whatsoever, just like its demos were a year ago. A closer look at the showcase titles Nintendo debuted at its E3 press conference also shows a puzzling lack of consistency in performance that we wouldn't expect to see in a console based on mature tech less than six months out from release, which we can only explain by the idea that the second screen is imposing more of a drain than we might have otherwise thought. The company's spiritual successor to pack-in title Wii Sports - Nintendo Land - is an interesting example of this inconsistency. In theory this is "home territory" where Nintendo should revel in what it does best. While the concepts and charm are there, the trademark 60Hz update is inconsistent to say the least in certain areas - puzzling for such a visually sparse title
As you would hope, New Super Mario Bros. U achieves a flawless 60Hz performance
Analysis confirms that Pikmin 3 runs at a fairly solid 30 frames per second, with just the occasional, minor drop in frame-rate when effects work pushes the hardware a little more. This does not tally with a report from the showfloor, where an unnamed rep said it will ship at 60Hz. Of all of the Nintendo titles on display, it's Pikmin 3 that had the most modern attributes in terms of what was being rendered on-screen, and the adherence to 30 frames per second once again strongly suggests that the core hardware represents no fundamental leap in capabilities over what current-gen consoles offer. While we should fully expect optimisation efforts in the time before release, it's highly unlikely that ballpark performance will change radically.
Nothing anyone familiar with hardware already hasn't deduced.
I can't believe you aren't clicking on the link you provided and copying and pasting the rest of the article or other portions.
Like the parts where DF says Batman looks better on the Wii U in some ways.
Why aren't you doing this? It would take like 6 seconds.
FYI wii costs $180 to produce at launch and by 2009 cost of manufacturing decreased by 45% to $88. Nintendo sales cheap hardware at a huge markup. http://www.xbitlabs.com/news/multimedia/display/20090407124321_Nintendo_Wii_Costs_Roughly_88_to_Manufacture__Analysts.html[QUOTE="TilxWLOC"]
It is to early to judge the console's graphics because nothing has been released yet. Not the games, not the console, not even specs, until someone has purchased a final version of a Wii-U game, it is ridiculous to judge them in any means. When they come out, bash and complain all you want, but right now you all look quick to discredit something.
Also, I think people forget how big of a leap this gen was and expect it again. Because of how big that leap was it would be hard to make affordable hardware that can surpass it by what has been anticipated, remember how expensive it was this gen? The Wii was still 250, and I think they only made a ten dollar profit on each sold. Nintendo aren't going to take that loss, they don't have back-up or anything to save them from financial issues if losses get high enough.
MFDOOM1983
Why is this a bad thing? Do you think they owe you charity and should sell you hardware at a loss and not have extra money to create more jobs and put money into sofware development?
The whole "razor blade" strategy of selling video game hardware at a loss, like Sony does, is such a completely bad move. Look at the Vita. It sells at a massive loss and with poor software sales Sony is likely to take profits from other divisions to fund game development on Vita games since a lot of them aren't likely to make budget since, once again, the hardware base is too small to even promote stellar software sales.
Everything should be sold at a profit and I will never blame any company for doing so even with massive mark ups. Their job is to convince me their product is worth investing in even with those mark ups.
It's not like Nintendo can do anything else, they don't have other divisions like MS/Sony do to use as a way to make up for hardware $ loss. So it's really unfair to pick on them in that regards for selling hardware at a profit because it is what everyone else in the world does so it should be no surprise and they literally would go belly up if they didn't sell at a profit.
They simply have nothing to offset losses on the hardware. You're asking them to blow their own brains out for your entertainment if you want them to sell hardware at a loss.
[QUOTE="TilxWLOC"]
[QUOTE="Rockman999"]
All people want is for Nintendo to get over themselves and properly accommodate the 3rd party developers. They're the only console manufacturer that truly believes they are above the entire industry and that's why their consoles after the SNES have constantly gotten shafted.
shinrabanshou
I hope you don't honestly believe that. First off, the reason they lost third parties after the SNES was the PS1. Notice how the DS still has a lot of third parties? PSP wasn't as appealing to everyone. PS1 was a casual system, it had a wicked gimmick that everybody loved, the CD, people ate up that system, even my dad, at the time. It was this big new system out of nowhere with a new type of storage system. About Nintendo thinking they are above everybody else, no, Nintendo may have had a strict policy for third parties, but they seem to try and support them where necessary. They are even helping Team Ninja with Ninja Gaiden 3, and let them make Other M's gameplay. Capcom made a few handheld Zelda games, and they even let Philips make Mario/Zelda games, bad ones, but they let them have the IP for a few games.
If there is one thing Nintendo does, it is close themselves off, which isn't necessarily a problem, but it can be.
Also PS3 would have sold like hotcakes with their Blue-Ray drive, if it wasn't so expensive, but it was.
Iwata is rather different from his predecessor, but from the days of Hiroshi Yamauchi:
"[People who play RPGs are] depressed gamers who like to sit alone in their dark rooms and play slow games," he noted in a 1999 interview. Yamauchi - who incidentally has prided himself on the fact that he has never played a videogame - went on to call RPGs as a whole both "silly and boring."
"There is no truth to an agreement between Nintendo and Square," said Yamauchi."[Square] is free to say what they want, but there are no plans for a contract, and the chances that there will be one in the future are low."
In 2001, after Square expressed interest in working on future Nintendo platforms, Yamauchi told Bloomberg Japan that Nintendo would not allow that to happen. "There is no contract with Square, and that matter is not open to further discussion," Yamauchi told the financial news service. "[Square] can say whatever they want, but we have no intention of signing a contract, and there's little chance of one being signed in the future."
"We're not expecting to be accepted by Nintendo right away, but we're doing everything to get the relationship positive again. The most important thing about management is the ability of having several choices. It is hard to loose one of these. We have to try to convince Nintendo, by showing them our plans for GBA and GameCube that we will boost their hardware sales" said Mr. Suzuki, Square's president.
Excerpt from an old IGN piece about Yamauchi: "Because of his brashness and the #1 market position that first Nintendo console attained, Hiroshi Yamauchi became like an untouchable king sitting on a throne of millions and millions of dollars. Third-party licensees had to come to him begging for the right to make games for his machine, and he crafted business deals so airtight that Nintendo would make huge profits even if a third party's games failed to sell."
Oh, wow, that is incredible, I had no idea. In fact I don't know Yamauchi is, well until now obviously. I was never this into gaming until this gen. I would have never known. You are blowing my mind right now... and people in this forum want this guy back?! I remember hearing about that in another thread, or maybe this one.
Thanks. ... the dictator of gaming... dang... glad that is over.
[QUOTE="TilxWLOC"]
[QUOTE="Rockman999"]
All people want is for Nintendo to get over themselves and properly accommodate the 3rd party developers. They're the only console manufacturer that truly believes they are above the entire industry and that's why their consoles after the SNES have constantly gotten shafted.
shinrabanshou
I hope you don't honestly believe that. First off, the reason they lost third parties after the SNES was the PS1. Notice how the DS still has a lot of third parties? PSP wasn't as appealing to everyone. PS1 was a casual system, it had a wicked gimmick that everybody loved, the CD, people ate up that system, even my dad, at the time. It was this big new system out of nowhere with a new type of storage system. About Nintendo thinking they are above everybody else, no, Nintendo may have had a strict policy for third parties, but they seem to try and support them where necessary. They are even helping Team Ninja with Ninja Gaiden 3, and let them make Other M's gameplay. Capcom made a few handheld Zelda games, and they even let Philips make Mario/Zelda games, bad ones, but they let them have the IP for a few games.
If there is one thing Nintendo does, it is close themselves off, which isn't necessarily a problem, but it can be.
Also PS3 would have sold like hotcakes with their Blue-Ray drive, if it wasn't so expensive, but it was.
Iwata is rather different from his predecessor, but from the days of Hiroshi Yamauchi:
"[People who play RPGs are] depressed gamers who like to sit alone in their dark rooms and play slow games," he noted in a 1999 interview. Yamauchi - who incidentally has prided himself on the fact that he has never played a videogame - went on to call RPGs as a whole both "silly and boring."
"There is no truth to an agreement between Nintendo and Square," said Yamauchi."[Square] is free to say what they want, but there are no plans for a contract, and the chances that there will be one in the future are low."
In 2001, after Square expressed interest in working on future Nintendo platforms, Yamauchi told Bloomberg Japan that Nintendo would not allow that to happen. "There is no contract with Square, and that matter is not open to further discussion," Yamauchi told the financial news service. "[Square] can say whatever they want, but we have no intention of signing a contract, and there's little chance of one being signed in the future."
"We're not expecting to be accepted by Nintendo right away, but we're doing everything to get the relationship positive again. The most important thing about management is the ability of having several choices. It is hard to loose one of these. We have to try to convince Nintendo, by showing them our plans for GBA and GameCube that we will boost their hardware sales" said Mr. Suzuki, Square's president.
Excerpt from an old IGN piece about Yamauchi: "Because of his brashness and the #1 market position that first Nintendo console attained, Hiroshi Yamauchi became like an untouchable king sitting on a throne of millions and millions of dollars. Third-party licensees had to come to him begging for the right to make games for his machine, and he crafted business deals so airtight that Nintendo would make huge profits even if a third party's games failed to sell."
wow yamauchi was an ass
Well.. i don't see next generation making a big leap..... not like from last generation to this one.
Joedgabe
Ditto, and if anyone does it it'll be Microsoft. I don't know what people are expecting, but I hope they don't get their hopes crushed. The Wii-U is weak, but we don't have anything to gauge the average of next gen yet, so I don't know why people are flippin' out. If the PS4 is on par with the Wii-U i wonder what people in Campzor's camp will say then, but if it isn't nothing will change from what we hear now. It could go either way, but the former is more likely.
Well.. i don't see next generation making a big leap..... not like from last generation to this one.
Joedgabe
I hope we do but with the financial problems going on there's a good chance of you being right. I would much rather pay ?400-500 for a much more powerful system than ?250 for a system that's an incremental upgrade
[QUOTE="loosingENDS"]Blame casual... hype Fable Journey :LOL:I would really not mind the hardware beeing crappy
But they lost me when they said Zelda is going even more casual, that was the critical point that made me decide to never touch a WiiU
rjdofu
Fable Journey was never pretending to be a main Fable game
While Zelda TP and SS are supposed to be actual Zelda games, not spin offs
Link
http://translate.google.com.br/translate?hl=pt-BR&sl=pt&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fmodernxgames.blogspot.com.br%2F2012%2F06%2Fcomparacao-grafica-de-batman-arkham.html&anno=2
Here is Batman comparisson on PS3 and Wii
^Consoles use pre-rendered videos for cutscenes. Wii-U is running it in real-time just like PC. It's a port from PC anyway.
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