Digital Foundry Xbox One X Game Analysis Thread! (Sticky Please!)

let's just be honest here, to the average consumer "dynamic" and "true" are just buzzwords.. "4K" is the operative term there and both these machines are being sold as 4K consoles that are meant to compliment your 4K TV..

if you want to be so literal about everything, you should be even more pissed about Sony's use of "dynamic 4K" since there isn't anything "4K" about 1440p.. beyond that, do you actually believe Sony used "dynamic 4K" so that they can be honest about the lackluster 4K performance of the console?.. if someone said, "hey, that guy is a really dynamic actor", would you immediately think he's being described as "not consistent"?.. please.. "dynamic 4K" is just a marketing term that implies you're getting 4K content, no different than "true 4K"..

Nah. Most people when they hear "True 4K" think of Native 4K at all times. MS was very deceitful using that term. It implies that their console is a the true 4K gaming machine and the other console is a fake 4K machine.

They even convinced some of your lem bros you'd be getting high-end PC performance using such a deceitful term. They overhyped the power of the machine, just be honest and admit it to yourself.

@Antwan3K:

Me: "I'm not a big fan of their use of the term "dynamic 4k"

You: "if you want to be so literal about everything, you should be even more pissed about Sony's use of "dynamic 4K" since there isn't anything "4K" about 1440p"

Ugh.

Also:

https://www.gamespot.com/forums/system-wars-314159282/microsoft-and-why-the-phrase-true-4k-33395729/

Like Sony are doing with their Dynamic 4k machine that rarely touches native 4k

They never compared their games to high-end PC, they said it would receive some features of a high-end PC. Such as high resolution textures, which they deliver on.

They are closer to what they said about the X than Sony are about the PRO.

See? You should have said you're SUPER PISSED about Sony's use of the term dynamic. Would have cleared everything up I'm sure.

Damn it! I can do better. I will do better!

@tdkmillsy: Dynamic 4K implied Dynamic resolution which every one knows isn’t Native 4K. The two marketing buzz words aren’t the same at all. MS flat out lied when they called they called their box a “True 4K” gaming machine. Sony called theirs a “Dynamic 4K” machine which implies checkerboarding and other techniques will be used to output at 4K.

@quadknight: defining "4K Ultra HD" as anything that's native, checkerboard, and/or dynamic 4K, stating several times that 3rd party devs can do whatever they want with the hardware (i.e. 3rd party games may not be native 4K), but delivering on native 4K in their 1st party titles along with improved visuals and performance is "overhyping the console"?..

sounds like they only promised native 4K in their 1st party offerings (which they delivered on) and made sure to be very transparent in the idea that 3rd party games are a free-for-all..

context simply isn't your strong suit huh..

It's as strong as your reading comprehension...;)

quite the opposite.. the context being this:

on one hand, you have Microsoft touting "True 4K" for their console.. and on said console, all 1st party titles are native 4K and most 3rd party titles are either native 4K or they hit 4K dynamically..

on the other hand, you have Sony touting "Dynamic 4K" for their console.. and on said console, all 1st party titles and most 3rd party titles are 1440p~1800p (i.e. not 4K by any stretch)..

which of those two marketing messages do you honestly think is more accurate?..

@Antwan3K: blah blah derailing thread blah blah random insult blah blah Microsoft is the bestest

That's what your posts are turning into.

what does that matter?

@drlostrib: doesn't matter at all.. they're both fairly misleading marketing messages but at least Microsoft's machine actually hits 4K in the majority of its games unlike the Pro..

feel free to stop responding at any time..

@Antwan3K: majority? What's the count?

@Zero_epyon: if you disagree, that means you think the majority of Xbox One X enhanced games are 1440p~1800p.. feel free to do your own leg work if you want to support that claim and i'll glady retract that statement..

@Antwan3K: you made the claim. Burden of proof is on you buddy.

true, still doesn't mean i have to go do a count for you.. if you disagree, cool.. if you want to prove me wrong, go ahead..

@Antwan3K: and they call me intellectually dishonest. Anyway, back the the games!

people call you intellectually dishonest because you are.. this is what you said way back on page 5 of this thread:

"Some games do run at native 4K, but the majority do not" - Zero_epyon

majority? What's the count?

@Antwan3K: lol is that supposed to be an example? No it would be dishonest of me to make that claim and then refuse to back it up when asked to.

Unfortunately for you, I asked you first. So be my guest.

You are dishonest man. Don't pretend.

@Pedro: lol

Let's play a game. Let's all try to guess which game DF analyses tomorrow that won't be a 4K native game on the X.

I say it's going to be Call of Duty WW2.

Anyone else? Any guesses on which game it could be and be native?

i just asked you to and you posted your claim first.. get to work..

@Antwan3K: nice try.

i have a better game.. let's all guess which upcoming major PS4 Pro release will actually be native 4K.. will that ever happen?.. any guesses?..

intellectual dishonesty confirmed..

@Antwan3K: so salty. Nobody's trying to say the pro is better than the Xbox though. Good straw man.

nobody said all games will be native on Xbox One X.. so your obsession with the subject is quite telling.. #staysaltymyfriend

Finally..... my favorite review channel are starting to do consoles.

I'm surprised! I thought Halo 5 was going to be patched next year. I guess it was MCC I was reading about.

Anyway, like people have mentioned in other threads, this patch makes the game look amazing! Textures are much clearer and details that masked by the low resolution are now visible. The resolution reaches a native 4K when the action is minimal. It does use a dynamic scaler and this drops the resolution to resolutions like 2816x1584 and 3360x1890. The resolution can vary even further. Drops are hard to notice though. Halo 5 also down samples to 1080p. This is good for 1080p users since on XBO S rarely hit 1080p.

Unpatched, the X forces texture filtering to the max, but scales it back when running the game patched in 4K.

Cutscenes are in native 4K and have better geometry details.

Still uses performance tricks to save frames. Shadow quality is inconsistent and enemies still render at half the frame rate from a distance or when in large groups.

Frame rates are just as good as XBO at a locked 60fps. There are loading hitches like every other halo game. Hitches are reduced when running from the internal HDD.

Just started watching. It seems they think the X is closer to an RX 480 class GPU. Interesting conclusion.

It won't be far off to be honest, if you compare the Vega 56 to Vega 64 at the same clock speed they're essentially neck and neck with the performance gap being not as big as the difference in paper specs would imply.

AMD architecture is pretty bottlenecked so adding extra CU's doesn't give as much as a performance increase as it should.

Watched the DF Halo 5 comparison video and it looks amazing. So hyped to get around to picking up an Xbox One X myself sometime in the future.

Just finished watching. That's a pretty good summary. The apu stays at 50 degrees when it's off. That's kind of crazy...

yout talking shit bro

Dynamic 4k is designed and used to make the average punter believe the console can do 4k gaming. Sony deliberately dont define what they mean because they want punters to believe its a native 4k gaming machine. Dynamic gaming could mean many different things and if it actually meant dynamic resolution that hits native 4k its a total lie. No games on PS4 Pro running dynamic resolution hit native 4k more than then odd blip.

Meanwhile Microsoft use the term true 4k gaming, when asked they define what they mean by this term on their own website. They have also clearly stated 1st party 1080p on Xbox One will be native 4k but 3rd party can utilise what they feel is best for their game.

Both are bending the marketing terms and could be said are as bad as each other. But if you look deeper Microsoft tell you what you mean while Sony hope you believe it means the PS4 Pro can do 4k native games.

Some people may feel dynamic 4k implies they can use chekerboarding and other technique's, some may believe it means its native 4k dynamic games (what Sony want you to believe).

Microsoft tell you what they mean.

How can Microsoft be more deceitful in this case, your wrong.

Destiny 2 now confirmed native 4K with HDR on the X1X

"You’ll also see adaptive 4K resolution on the PlayStation 4 Pro and 4K on the Xbox One X."

Yeah that does seem to sound like it's native and not a dynamic solution. Unless it's checkerboard without the scaling? I doubt that though.

Yeah that's how I read it too

Not DF but apparently this game uses a dynamic scaler that scales up to native 4K but rarely hits it.

^ ^ Says I'm talking shit then proceeds to type this nonsense. Only a lemming could come up with this horse shit lol.

From Sony's website on PS4 Pro: https://www.playstation.com/en-us/explore/ps4-pro/

@quadknight said:

@tdkmillsy said:

@quadknight said:

@tdkmillsy: Dynamic 4K implied Dynamic resolution which every one knows isn’t Native 4K. The two marketing buzz words aren’t the same at all. MS flat out lied when they called they called their box a “True 4K” gaming machine. Sony called theirs a “Dynamic 4K” machine which implies checkerboarding and other techniques will be used to output at 4K.

yout talking shit bro

Dynamic 4k is designed and used to make the average punter believe the console can do 4k gaming. Sony deliberately dont define what they mean because they want punters to believe its a native 4k gaming machine. Dynamic gaming could mean many different things and if it actually meant dynamic resolution that hits native 4k its a total lie. No games on PS4 Pro running dynamic resolution hit native 4k more than then odd blip.

^ ^ Says I'm talking shit then proceeds to type this nonsense. Only a lemming could come up with this horse shit lol.

From Sony's website on PS4 Pro: https://www.playstation.com/en-us/explore/ps4-pro/

@tdkmillsy - You just got served!

@quadknight said:

@tdkmillsy said:

@quadknight said:

@tdkmillsy: Dynamic 4K implied Dynamic resolution which every one knows isn’t Native 4K. The two marketing buzz words aren’t the same at all. MS flat out lied when they called they called their box a “True 4K” gaming machine. Sony called theirs a “Dynamic 4K” machine which implies checkerboarding and other techniques will be used to output at 4K.

yout talking shit bro

Dynamic 4k is designed and used to make the average punter believe the console can do 4k gaming. Sony deliberately dont define what they mean because they want punters to believe its a native 4k gaming machine. Dynamic gaming could mean many different things and if it actually meant dynamic resolution that hits native 4k its a total lie. No games on PS4 Pro running dynamic resolution hit native 4k more than then odd blip.

^ ^ Says I'm talking shit then proceeds to type this nonsense. Only a lemming could come up with this horse shit lol.

From Sony's website on PS4 Pro: https://www.playstation.com/en-us/explore/ps4-pro/

Above is a classic example of getting REKT...

@Zero_epyon said:

@quadknight said:

@tdkmillsy said:

@quadknight said:

@tdkmillsy: Dynamic 4K implied Dynamic resolution which every one knows isn’t Native 4K. The two marketing buzz words aren’t the same at all. MS flat out lied when they called they called their box a “True 4K” gaming machine. Sony called theirs a “Dynamic 4K” machine which implies checkerboarding and other techniques will be used to output at 4K.

yout talking shit bro

Dynamic 4k is designed and used to make the average punter believe the console can do 4k gaming. Sony deliberately dont define what they mean because they want punters to believe its a native 4k gaming machine. Dynamic gaming could mean many different things and if it actually meant dynamic resolution that hits native 4k its a total lie. No games on PS4 Pro running dynamic resolution hit native 4k more than then odd blip.

^ ^ Says I'm talking shit then proceeds to type this nonsense. Only a lemming could come up with this horse shit lol.

From Sony's website on PS4 Pro: https://www.playstation.com/en-us/explore/ps4-pro/

Above is a classic example of getting REKT...

X1X's "Dynamic 4K" has superior 4K handling when compared to PS4 Pro's version.

@ronvalencia said:

@Zero_epyon said:

@quadknight said:

@tdkmillsy said:

yout talking shit bro

Dynamic 4k is designed and used to make the average punter believe the console can do 4k gaming. Sony deliberately dont define what they mean because they want punters to believe its a native 4k gaming machine. Dynamic gaming could mean many different things and if it actually meant dynamic resolution that hits native 4k its a total lie. No games on PS4 Pro running dynamic resolution hit native 4k more than then odd blip.

^ ^ Says I'm talking shit then proceeds to type this nonsense. Only a lemming could come up with this horse shit lol.

From Sony's website on PS4 Pro: https://www.playstation.com/en-us/explore/ps4-pro/

Above is a classic example of getting REKT...

X1X's "Dynamic 4K" has superior 4K handling when compared to PS4 Pro's version.

lol X1X's "Dynamic 4K" is called True 4K. Which one is better is not the point.

@ronvalencia: Decent upgrade. I summarized it above.