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#101 vincent380
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I can totally understand DD being the future but to me theres nothing like having a psychical copy. I actually enjoy getting a brand new game then wrapping it and going through the booklet. Even though most games really dont require a booklet anymore. Then theres putting internet connections into the mix. Who really wants to download that many gigs? I know i dont I rather just buy the game and put it in my console. A lot to consider. Why cant both be done though like how music is currently is. Buy a psychical copy or go download it from Itunes.
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#102 Cherokee_Jack
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Oh, right. Even he doesn't think that. He just wanted to say something impressive about DD.
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#103 lightleggy
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[QUOTE="DroidPhysX"][QUOTE="Hexagon_777"]Please don't use the PSP Go as an example. It has been established in System Wars that it failed due to completely different reasons. Just giving you a heads up.Hexagon_777

In large part, it failed because it was DD

It failed because it was far too expensive upon release despite being cheaper to produce than the PSP 3000. It failed because physical titles weren't released digitally. It failed because you couldn't convert UMD games onto the PSP Go. It failed because Sony didn't take it seriously.

im 100% sure all those things would have been ignored if the game would at least allow UMD
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#104 Cherokee_Jack
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[QUOTE="Hexagon_777"]

[QUOTE="DroidPhysX"] In large part, it failed because it was DDlightleggy

It failed because it was far too expensive upon release despite being cheaper to produce than the PSP 3000. It failed because physical titles weren't released digitally. It failed because you couldn't convert UMD games onto the PSP Go. It failed because Sony didn't take it seriously.

im 100% sure all those things would have been ignored if the game would at least allow UMD

Because people would have happily paid $250 for a sliding PSP if it just had a UMD drive like every other model? What is the logic in that?
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#105 Valiant_Rebel
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On PC, yes. Many developers are thanking digital for making their profits, with the latest case being Frictional Games with Amnesia: Tha Dark Descent. On consoles, definitely no. The hard drive space they offer is too small to offer a legitimate DD service along with people still wanting physical.

Nothing is wrong with obtaining a game physically or digitally. There really isn't a massive advantage or disadvantage with either format. Regardless of how you spend it, you are still obtaining the same data either way. You can even make a hard copy with digital and print out the CD cover and box art if you want the pleasure of owning physical. I understand some people's fear of digital comes from believing you do not own the game. That is false. Just about every DD store gives you the games, lets you make hard copies, and lets you download as many times as you need to. OnLive is pretty much what people fear about digital.

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#106 lightleggy
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[QUOTE="lightleggy"][QUOTE="Hexagon_777"]It failed because it was far too expensive upon release despite being cheaper to produce than the PSP 3000. It failed because physical titles weren't released digitally. It failed because you couldn't convert UMD games onto the PSP Go. It failed because Sony didn't take it seriously.

Cherokee_Jack

im 100% sure all those things would have been ignored if the game would at least allow UMD

Because people would have happily paid $250 for a sliding PSP if it just had a UMD drive like every other model? What is the logic in that?

well it has 16gb standard hdd

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#107 nethernova
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Screw collection, screw holding copies, dd is the future, I will take the amazing convenience of having all my games a click away to some imaginary collectors value.

Disks break, they get lost, they have maxiumum life, digital, good services you can download infinite times, download forever, if your harddrive dies, get a new one and just put the games on again. When a disk breaks, its gone forever, may have to re-buy the game.

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Eh, in my 25+ years of gaming no disc ever broke, got lost, or simply stopped working. If you can't take care of your stuff you shouldn't own anything. You won't be able to download your digital stuff forever. Only until somebody decides to switch the servers off. I prefer my hard copies, thanks.
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#108 firefluff3
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yeah....how about no? first of all I do like to have my hard copy...I like to read the manual on my way home...there is no feeling like that one...and if I ever need money/didnt liked the game I can sell it... and I dont have to be buying like a 10tb hard drive to store my games...thank you but I will remain physical in this one ;)lightleggy

I know 10 tb is an exageration, but..

1. you can remove games when need be and redownload them later (if you can be bothered:P)

2. a 1TB hard drive is only like £37 here in england. You pay ALOT more for console harddrives

Even though you weren't arguing about consoles being better, but hey.

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#109 Cherokee_Jack
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[QUOTE="Cherokee_Jack"][QUOTE="lightleggy"] im 100% sure all those things would have been ignored if the game would at least allow UMDlightleggy

Because people would have happily paid $250 for a sliding PSP if it just had a UMD drive like every other model? What is the logic in that?

well it has 16gb standard hdd

You mean flash memory? You could get a memory stick of that size and a PSP 3000 for about the same price. Ultimately what Sony needed to do is launch the Go for the same price or cheaper than the PSP 3000, and have at least some system in place to exchange UMDs for download codes. If they did that, I believe it would have been a success (or at least sell hardware)
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#110 ps3wizard45
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Never going to happen unless you want games to take 3 days to download....

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#111 fadersdream
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[QUOTE="Bread_or_Decide"]Yes because the DD only PSPGO was proof that this is what people want. A world with no physical media....Hexagon_777

Please don't use the PSP Go as an example. It has been established in System Wars that it failed due to completely different reasons. Just giving you a heads up.

i didn't buy it because of DD. A lot of people didn't buy it because of DD. Valid point stands. Your objection is overruled.
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#112 lundy86_4
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[QUOTE="Hexagon_777"]

[QUOTE="Bread_or_Decide"]Yes because the DD only PSPGO was proof that this is what people want. A world with no physical media....fadersdream

Please don't use the PSP Go as an example. It has been established in System Wars that it failed due to completely different reasons. Just giving you a heads up.

i didn't buy it because of DD. A lot of people didn't buy it because of DD. Valid point stands. Your objection is overruled.

Eh, it failed due to a few reasons. There was no real overruling reason, and no way to determine if the majority of people left it alone due to being solely DD. Not having access to a large portion of the library was also a huge blow, and the lack of ability to transfer from UMD to a fully digital format also severely hurt the system.

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#113 painguy1
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I dont want DD on consoles. On PC im fine with it.

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#114 Indie_Hitman
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Digital is better for everyone.GeneralShowzer
apart from the millions of people who will lose their jobs of course.
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#115 Cherokee_Jack
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[QUOTE="GeneralShowzer"]Digital is better for everyone.Indie_Hitman
apart from the millions of people who will lose their jobs of course.

Technological advancement tends to work that way.
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#117 Hexagon_777
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[QUOTE="fadersdream"][QUOTE="Hexagon_777"]Please don't use the PSP Go as an example. It has been established in System Wars that it failed due to completely different reasons. Just giving you a heads up.lundy86_4
i didn't buy it because of DD. A lot of people didn't buy it because of DD. Valid point stands. Your objection is overruled.

Eh, it failed due to a few reasons. There was no real overruling reason, and no way to determine if the majority of people left it alone due to being solely DD. Not having access to a large portion of the library was also a huge blow, and the lack of ability to transfer from UMD to a fully digital format also severely hurt the system.

Yea, fadersdream! :P

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#118 tbolt76
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[QUOTE="groowagon"][QUOTE="Vinegar_Strokes"]

most posters in SW seem to have a weird thing for DVD cases so will hate the fact that DD is becoming more and more popular.

gamer620
you know what? physical copies of games have collection value. just look at some PS1 game prices at ebay...

When people can start purchasing the same old games for less digitally, people will stop purchasing the physical versions no matter how rare it is. This is evident from GOG's popularity. Eventually people will try to sell copies of unopened FF7 and won't get more than original retail face value for it at best unless you find the very rare die hard collector.

The opposite will actually be true. As games move to DD, it will become increasingly rare for physical copies, driving up the prices.
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#119 Hexagon_777
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[QUOTE="Indie_Hitman"][QUOTE="GeneralShowzer"]Digital is better for everyone.Cherokee_Jack
apart from the millions of people who will lose their jobs of course.

Technological advancement tends to work that way.

As old jobs are made redundant, new jobs will be created.

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#120 Puckhog04
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I prefer a physical copy. Highly doubt digital will take over. Least I hope not.

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#121 Metroid_Other_M
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I think both physical and digital copies will coexist, atm I prefer physical copies due to my crappy connection.

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#122 Mr_Cumberdale
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I've fully accepted that DD will surpass physical discs very soon. While I absolutely prefer having actual discs of my games, there's no going back whether people like it or not.

DD salemight overtake Disc sales for PC this year but I stil think consoles are a few years off.

I don't play on PC at all so this suits me down to the ground.

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Who knows, maybe the consoles will say DD is not for us and stay with physical copies? :) I like DD but I hate it. I'd say maybe in 5 years it might overtake physical, but I still doubt it. Many people still use satellite which has a very low bandwidth limit.
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#123 HailCaesarHail
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i think its still a ways away. its getting closer and closer. expect Huge HDDs in next gen consoles.
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#124 fadersdream
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ohhhhh, you showed me!!! except that is a reason it failed, and that IS the reason I didn't buy it. Some people WANT DD and some people don't. Bias can make you believe in your argument.

I don't really care. the "over ruled" was a joke. I find it funny when people support something and disregard any opinion that's different from theirs.

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#125 lundy86_4
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ohhhhh, you showed me!!! except that is a reason it failed, and that IS the reason I didn't buy it. Some people WANT DD and some people don't. Bias can make you believe in your argument.

I don't really care. the "over ruled" was a joke. I find it funny when people support something and disregard any opinion that's different from theirs.

fadersdream

I said that there was no real overruling reason, or one that would be easily proveable in any case. There were a number of noteable reasons for it's downfall, I wassimply outlining them as you only seemed to have one in mind.

I'm not stating the reason that you didn't buy it was incorrect in any way, nor did I single that out. You, however, stated that a lot of people didn't buy it due to DD, which you do not know for a fact, nor can anybody prove. Hence why I outlined the larger picture rather than focussing in on a particular reason which may or may not have been the cause.

I dunno if you are making any particular remarks about me in your point here, or the user/users you were quoting. So I won't comment on your remarks about bias and disregarding opinions. Furthermore you may wish to actually quote me, otherwise your post looks to be rather random, and I actually had to read and decide whether you were, in fact, addressing me with your post.

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#126 TheGrudge13
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i really hope not

there is a lot of problems for DD on consoles

1) unlike PC there are generations of consoles what will happen when the next gen console come ( imagine that you can't play games from your PS1 or NES or Xbox )

2) it will be controlled by the companies ( SONY , MS and NINTENDO ) that own the consoles so they will be the one's controlling the prices so you can't garantee a price drop after the release of the game and you can't find used copies

3) with the current war between SONY and hackers it will be very likely that there will a lot of restrictions on it

4) you need a very fast internet connection in order to download the big games like GT5 otherwise it will take forever

5) usually there are more than one person using consoles so it will take a lot of space if every one want to keep there games and actually keeping several games on the hard drive will take a very very huge amount of space ( i have GT5 , GOW 1,2,3 , MGS4 , TES4 Oblivion , GTA4 , RDR , ... and a lot more that is almost all of my collection ) so if someone wants to do that he/she/they probably won't be able to unless the system has something like 1TB of HDD ( not counting any patches or DLCs )

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#127 Boomshaffted
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Screw collection, screw holding copies, dd is the future, I will take the amazing convenience of having all my games a click away to some imaginary collectors value.

Disks break, they get lost, they have maxiumum life, digital, good services you can download infinite times, download forever, if your harddrive dies, get a new one and just put the games on again. When a disk breaks, its gone forever, may have to re-buy the game.

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I think this is where you've got it a bit backwards. There are collected items which are, literally, hundreds of years old still kicking around. A digital item you "own" will last only as long as the company that sold it to you, and by whose good graces they continue to support it and let you use it. In a world where superpowers have gone under in the past 20 years, the faith many of you kids have in these companies not only lasting for so long but also continuing to support old things in the breakneck pace realm of technical achievement, well... Such faith is just mindboggling. Digital distribution won't make your items permanent - in fact, it'll probably set a firm, limited shelf life on items you "own," dependent on the stability of technical norms and the financial world. It'll make things convenient, it'll make things cheap, but don't try and give it accolades it simply doesn't deserve.
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#128 gamerfan85
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I really doubt it. However, when the next generation of consoles come out you better believe that it's going to be DD only.

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#129 Shinobi120
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I really doubt it. However, when the next generation of consoles come out you better believe that it's going to be DD only.

gamerfan85

I don't think so.

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#130 2beers_in_hand
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I say hell freaking no!!!!! I like physical copy's of the games I buy, DC is good for small game's and extra content not for full games. Of course all the developers would be pushing for this no wasting money on distributing, putting it on dics, or printable material like manuals. It would be pure profit on their end.

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#131 Bigboi500
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[QUOTE="GeneralShowzer"]Digital is better for everyone.Indie_Hitman
apart from the millions of people who will lose their jobs of course.

And the people who don't have access to cheap and blazing fast internet still.