Dispelling the myth that PCs are not next gen.

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#1 kalipekona
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I have seen a few blogs and opinion pieces lately that make the claim that PCs are not already next gen. I have also seen a lot of comments on forums and all around the net from console fanboys parroting basically the same thing. So I wanted to address this argument and show why it is riddled with absurdities and irrationality.

 

Their argument essentially is that gaming PCs aren't really next gen because "real" next gen games are about innovative leaps in game design over mere "eye candy". They claim that while games like Crysis 3, Metro Last Light or The Witcher 2 on PC might have visuals that are a generation ahead of consoles it all amounts to mere window dressing on a current gen game.

 

They say that when next gen consoles get here we will see fundamental shifts in game design not possible on current gen console hardware. But they say we won't see it in cross-generation multiplatform games that are hamstrung by the older consoles. Exclusives and multiplatform games that move completely over to the new hardware are where we supposedly will see the true magic happen.

 

This is all bunk. Game design innovation is punctuated throughout and across generations. I have never seen a sea change in fundamental game design with the arrival of a new generation of hardware. More detailed and more immersive visuals are always the principal feature that defines each new generation.

 

Look at all the next gen games shown at E3. Exclusives like Killzone Shadow Fall and inFamous Second Son have fantastic graphics that more or less reach the bar set by high end PC games, but their fundamental design is extremely similar to past entries in those franchises. Moreover, a few of the more innovative looking games are cross-generational multiplats like Watch Dogs and Destiny.

 

So does this mean we shouldn't call the PS4 and Xbox One "next generation consoles"?

 

The truth is, most of the design innovation we see doesn't happen as a sea change brought about by new hardware, it is brought about by creative minds who are driven to create something new. And such innovation most often is not tied to any particualr generation of hardware. Many of the freshest game experiences brought to us this generation came from brilliant indie developers, not from big AAA game developers using super advanced physics or AI.

 

There are some design changes that are only possible with more powerful hardware, but games with those kinds of designs are the extreme minority. The vast majority of Xbox 360 and PS3 games, for example, could be scaled back to work on last generation consoles.

 

Besides, while these people want to pretend that the PC only offers prettier visuals, the truth is that there are some design differences to be found in PC games which aren't possible on current consoles. The scale and physics of Planetside 2 and the 64 players of Battlefield 3 are a couple examples that spring to mind. In fact, Planetside 2 is looking to make a pretty big splash on the PS4. Why didn't it come to PS3? Well, it wasn't realistically possible. Same goes for the 64 players in Battlefield 3. PS3 and 360 couldn't handle it, but it is now being advertised as an exciting new advancement for Battlefield 4 on PS4 and Xbox One.

 

In terms of hardware, gaming PCs don't really have generations. But by any standard that we judge new consoles to be "next gen", PCs have already been there.

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#2 lostrib
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who the fvck cares?

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ITT : Consolites wont care.
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#4 pcgamingowns
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Do consoles have 128 gb or 64 gb of ram>? enough said

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#5 faizan_faizan
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Do consoles have 128 gb or 64 gb of ram>? enough said

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Who the hell needs that much for gaming anyway?

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#6 pcgamingowns
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load a game in 1 milisecond lol while console take 30-60 seconds

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#7 bbkkristian
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No one's going to read all of that.
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#8 faizan_faizan
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load a game in 1 milisecond lol while console take 30-60 seconds

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lolno.

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#9 TheEroica  Moderator
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Do consoles have 128 gb or 64 gb of ram>? enough said

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I have 16GBDDR3... people actually have THAT much RAM? jesus... NASA B Jelly....
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#10 clyde46
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load a game in 1 milisecond lol while console take 30-60 seconds

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I don't think you understand how computers work.
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#11 clyde46
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[QUOTE="pcgamingowns"]

Do consoles have 128 gb or 64 gb of ram>? enough said

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I have 16GBDDR3... people actually have THAT much RAM? jesus... NASA B Jelly....

If I upgrade I'm getting 64GB.
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#12 TheEroica  Moderator
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[QUOTE="pcgamingowns"]

load a game in 1 milisecond lol while console take 30-60 seconds

clyde46
I don't think you understand how computers work.

:lol:
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#13 NoodleFighter  Online
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PCs don't follow consoles generations,

consoles stick to the same stuff for a long time, PC generation basically comes out every 6-12 months by the logic of new hardware, new apus, architectures, and etc are continued being released for PC as years go on while consoles stick with what they got.

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[QUOTE="clyde46"][QUOTE="pcgamingowns"]

load a game in 1 milisecond lol while console take 30-60 seconds

TheEroica
I don't think you understand how computers work.

:lol:

I found a found an error in the FF episode 2. Got to re-encode and upload it again >.>
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#15 TheEroica  Moderator
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[QUOTE="TheEroica"][QUOTE="pcgamingowns"]

Do consoles have 128 gb or 64 gb of ram>? enough said

clyde46
I have 16GBDDR3... people actually have THAT much RAM? jesus... NASA B Jelly....

If I upgrade I'm getting 64GB.

Im building my first rig this holiday season and by golly im building a beast... gonna build a pretentious and annoyingly flashy monster of a rig...
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[QUOTE="clyde46"][QUOTE="TheEroica"][QUOTE="clyde46"] I don't think you understand how computers work.

:lol:

I found a found an error in the FF episode 2. Got to re-encode and upload it again >.>

oh no!! where was it?
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[QUOTE="clyde46"][QUOTE="TheEroica"] I have 16GBDDR3... people actually have THAT much RAM? jesus... NASA B Jelly....TheEroica
If I upgrade I'm getting 64GB.

Im building my first rig this holiday season and by golly im building a beast... gonna build a pretentious and annoyingly flashy monster of a rig...

make sure to put LEDs on everything!

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[QUOTE="TheEroica"][QUOTE="clyde46"][QUOTE="TheEroica"] :lol:

I found a found an error in the FF episode 2. Got to re-encode and upload it again >.>

oh no!! where was it?

Right at the end the video which is the most annoying part. It seems the timeline on Premier didn't to the end of the video. Not matter, I've dropped the bit-rate a tad which knocked 800MB of the size which should make it easier to upload.
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#19 clyde46
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[QUOTE="TheEroica"][QUOTE="clyde46"] If I upgrade I'm getting 64GB.lostrib

Im building my first rig this holiday season and by golly im building a beast... gonna build a pretentious and annoyingly flashy monster of a rig...

make sure to put LEDs on everything!

Dat rice.
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#20 pcgamingowns
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[QUOTE="pcgamingowns"]

load a game in 1 milisecond lol while console take 30-60 seconds

clyde46
I don't think you understand how computers work.

the more ram the faster applications load
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#21 TheEroica  Moderator
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[QUOTE="TheEroica"][QUOTE="clyde46"] If I upgrade I'm getting 64GB.lostrib

Im building my first rig this holiday season and by golly im building a beast... gonna build a pretentious and annoyingly flashy monster of a rig...

make sure to put LEDs on everything!

EVERYWHERE... and the kicker is that im not even buying a monitor... it will be connected to my 60inch LED in the Man Cave... Youre invited to the unveiling, as are everyone else... :P
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#22 clyde46
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[QUOTE="clyde46"][QUOTE="pcgamingowns"]

load a game in 1 milisecond lol while console take 30-60 seconds

pcgamingowns
I don't think you understand how computers work.

the more ram the faster applications load

Doesn't work like that.
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#23 TheEroica  Moderator
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[QUOTE="clyde46"][QUOTE="TheEroica"][QUOTE="clyde46"] I found a found an error in the FF episode 2. Got to re-encode and upload it again >.>

oh no!! where was it?

Right at the end the video which is the most annoying part. It seems the timeline on Premier didn't to the end of the video. Not matter, I've dropped the bit-rate a tad which knocked 800MB of the size which should make it easier to upload.

was that the 128gb one we did?
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[QUOTE="pcgamingowns"][QUOTE="clyde46"] I don't think you understand how computers work.clyde46
the more ram the faster applications load

Doesn't work like that.

yep yep my first real gaming pc 1999 had 64 mb out of the box  upgraded to 256 mb ram same games load x10 faster

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#25 clyde46
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[QUOTE="TheEroica"][QUOTE="clyde46"][QUOTE="TheEroica"] oh no!! where was it?

Right at the end the video which is the most annoying part. It seems the timeline on Premier didn't to the end of the video. Not matter, I've dropped the bit-rate a tad which knocked 800MB of the size which should make it easier to upload.

was that the 128gb one we did?

I've re-encoded that vid. It was 10GB when I editing it. Should have it up tomorrow.
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#26 kalipekona
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No one's going to read all of that.bbkkristian

So if I link to an article as most people do when they start a thread, people would read it? But they won't read a few paragraphs here? 

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Computers don't have "gens" they are constantly upgrading. Get out of the gen wars hermits.
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#28 lostrib
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[QUOTE="bbkkristian"]No one's going to read all of that.kalipekona

So if I link to an article as most people do when they start a thread, people would read it? But they won't read a few paragraphs here? 

they don't read that shit either.  Most just respond to thread title

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#29 lostrib
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Computers don't have "gens" they are constantly upgrading. Get out of the gen wars hermits. Infinite_Access

Unfortunately it's how system wars works

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#30 clyde46
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[QUOTE="clyde46"][QUOTE="pcgamingowns"] the more ram the faster applications loadpcgamingowns

Doesn't work like that.

yep yep my first real gaming pc 1999 had 64 mb out of the box  upgraded to 256 mb ram same games load x10 faster

That is most likely because you're OS was using all your RAM. IF I have 8GB of RAM and I up it to 16GB, my games are not going to load any faster.
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[QUOTE="clyde46"][QUOTE="pcgamingowns"] the more ram the faster applications loadpcgamingowns

Doesn't work like that.

yep yep my first real gaming pc 1999 had 64 mb out of the box  upgraded to 256 mb ram same games load x10 faster

And if you upgrade it to 64GB it won't do shit and it would be an overkill.

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Computers don't have "gens" they are constantly upgrading. Get out of the gen wars hermits. Infinite_Access

You didn't read anything I wrote, did you? It's true that there are not distinct generations on PC, but the point remains that PCs have already been next gen by the same standards as we judge a console to be next gen.

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#33 clyde46
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[QUOTE="pcgamingowns"]

[QUOTE="clyde46"] Doesn't work like that. faizan_faizan

yep yep my first real gaming pc 1999 had 64 mb out of the box  upgraded to 256 mb ram same games load x10 faster

And if you upgrade it to 64GB it won't do shit and it would be an overkill.

Depends, if I'm running F@H or anything else that loves RAM, 64GB+ is the way to go.
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#34 faizan_faizan
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[QUOTE="faizan_faizan"]

[QUOTE="pcgamingowns"] yep yep my first real gaming pc 1999 had 64 mb out of the box  upgraded to 256 mb ram same games load x10 faster

clyde46

And if you upgrade it to 64GB it won't do shit and it would be an overkill.

Depends, if I'm running F@H or anything else that loves RAM, 64GB+ is the way to go.

Gaming.

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[QUOTE="clyde46"][QUOTE="faizan_faizan"]And if you upgrade it to 64GB it won't do shit and it would be an overkill.

faizan_faizan

Depends, if I'm running F@H or anything else that loves RAM, 64GB+ is the way to go.

Gaming.

I use my PC for more than gaming.
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[QUOTE="kalipekona"]

[QUOTE="bbkkristian"]No one's going to read all of that.lostrib

So if I link to an article as most people do when they start a thread, people would read it? But they won't read a few paragraphs here? 

they don't read that shit either.  Most just respond to thread title

Ok, if people are that lazy then they can just read my thread title and then argue around in circles as usual.

I actually read the articles that people link to and I will read long comments as well, as long as they are decently thought out and well written. I assumed other people might be the same way. I guess I was wrong.

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#37 faizan_faizan
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[QUOTE="faizan_faizan"]

[QUOTE="clyde46"] Depends, if I'm running F@H or anything else that loves RAM, 64GB+ is the way to go. clyde46

Gaming.

I use my PC for more than gaming.

Like everyone else in this world. Although we're talking about heewee.
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who the fvck cares?

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#39 clyde46
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[QUOTE="clyde46"][QUOTE="faizan_faizan"]

Gaming.

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I use my PC for more than gaming.

Like everyone else in this world. Although we're talking about heewee.

I don't suppose you remember a thread where HeeWee posted a pic of his case. It looked like he got well and truly ripped off :lol:
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#40 faizan_faizan
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[QUOTE="clyde46"][QUOTE="faizan_faizan"][QUOTE="clyde46"] I use my PC for more than gaming.

Like everyone else in this world. Although we're talking about heewee.

I don't suppose you remember a thread where HeeWee posted a pic of his case. It looked like he got well and truly ripped off :lol:

I think I do.
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#41 kalipekona
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[QUOTE="lostrib"]

who the fvck cares?

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I find it surprising that people like you and lostrib who are always on here arguing the merits of the PC and have made literally tens of thousands of comments on these forums would take that attitude. You've literally written books on this unimportant sh!t.

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#42 pcgamingowns
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[QUOTE="pcgamingowns"]

[QUOTE="clyde46"] Doesn't work like that. faizan_faizan

yep yep my first real gaming pc 1999 had 64 mb out of the box  upgraded to 256 mb ram same games load x10 faster

And if you upgrade it to 64GB it won't do shit and it would be an overkill.

bs games still load faster even if the world size dont take advantage of it
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[QUOTE="faizan_faizan"]

[QUOTE="pcgamingowns"] yep yep my first real gaming pc 1999 had 64 mb out of the box  upgraded to 256 mb ram same games load x10 faster

pcgamingowns

And if you upgrade it to 64GB it won't do shit and it would be an overkill.

bs games still load faster even if the world size dont take advantage of it

Take a break man.

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#44 pcgamingowns
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Computers don't have "gens" they are constantly upgrading. Get out of the gen wars hermits. Infinite_Access
pc is generations ahead graphics console gamer seeing for the first time is 10 years after pc gamer already seen
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#45 pcgamingowns
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[QUOTE="pcgamingowns"][QUOTE="faizan_faizan"]And if you upgrade it to 64GB it won't do shit and it would be an overkill.

faizan_faizan

bs games still load faster even if the world size dont take advantage of it

Take a break man.

cant accept fact? crysis loads faster with 2gb ram than 1gb even more=faster loading
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[QUOTE="seanmcloughlin"]

[QUOTE="lostrib"]

who the fvck cares?

kalipekona

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I find it surprising that people like you and lostrib who are always on here arguing the merits of the PC and have made literally tens of thousands of comments on these forums would take that attitude. You've literally written books on this unimportant sh!t.

The fact that you have "Gen" and "PC" together made me not care

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[QUOTE="kalipekona"]

[QUOTE="seanmcloughlin"]

Winner!

seanmcloughlin

I find it surprising that people like you and lostrib who are always on here arguing the merits of the PC and have made literally tens of thousands of comments on these forums would take that attitude. You've literally written books on this unimportant sh!t.

The fact that you have "Gen" and "PC" together made me not care

Noted... I'm driving to Gen seans to rob him PC blind... :P
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#48 uninspiredcup  Online
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You guys focus too much on "graphics" imo.

Next generation should be a "concept" not just a leap in graphical quility but a leap for games themselfs. Currently, I actually wouldn't call pretty much, any of he games shown next generation, Thety are current generation looking closer to what a pc has been doing for a good number of years now.

 

Games like Arma 3 are closer to next generation because aside from the graphics they push what games are able to do.

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#49 kalipekona
Member since 2003 • 2492 Posts

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seanmcloughlin

I find it surprising that people like you and lostrib who are always on here arguing the merits of the PC and have made literally tens of thousands of comments on these forums would take that attitude. You've literally written books on this unimportant sh!t.

The fact that you have "Gen" and "PC" together made me not care

You don't get the point. PC hardware doesn't come in sudden spurts or generations, but it already has been putting out visuals and gaming experiences that are equivalent to what we will get on next gen consoles. Many console gamers argue that this isn't true.

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#50 Tezcatlipoca666
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It's true, PCs are NOT next gen and that's because PC's don't have generations. New hardware is constantly evolving and so is the platform. Consoles have fixed hardware which is why they have generations. The concept is entirely pointless for PC's and furthermore, PC hardware is already far beyond what the yet to be released next-gen consoles have to offer...