Dissection of Aaron Thomas's review

[QUOTE="Danthegamingman"][QUOTE="Koalakommander"]

[QUOTE="Danthegamingman"]The review is one persons opinion other reviews have given it less than a 7.5. All you people flaming the reviewer should be perm banned for not letting it rest.Koalakommander

Well I'm actually trying to back my sh1t up unline everyone else who whine about reviewers being biased. And yes, actually, 7.5 was the lowest score given to this game.

huh, well it wasn't on gamerankings 0_o.

Ive said it before. Explain to me why a game automatically deserves a higher score when a game is essentially an enhancement of the original game? If games were based on a PER GAME basis rather than a COMPETITIVE basis (aka, how it compares to games that already exist) than most recent games would be 10s. A game like Vexx would deserve atleast a 9 given as the reviewer states in that specific review that had it come out before Mario 64 on the N64, it would have been the greatest Platformer at the time. But guess what... games aren't reviewed on just a per game basis. The types of games that release in the same genre impact how a game should be. How a game compares to similar games in the genre impactsa review.

You are an idiot if you think a 7.5 is a horrible score for a game that as far as I can tell does nothing more than throw a new coat of paint over a game that was awesome nearly 5 years ago.

[QUOTE="Koalakommander"][QUOTE="Danthegamingman"][QUOTE="Koalakommander"]

[QUOTE="Danthegamingman"]The review is one persons opinion other reviews have given it less than a 7.5. All you people flaming the reviewer should be perm banned for not letting it rest.Danthegamingman

Well I'm actually trying to back my sh1t up unline everyone else who whine about reviewers being biased. And yes, actually, 7.5 was the lowest score given to this game.

huh, well it wasn't on gamerankings 0_o.

For the last time -- this is not about the score. If he could back up the score he gave than I wouldn't give a damn.

I love how crysis has become the standard spelling for crisis throughout this entire forums.

Shows how much all of us think about it, even subconciously... :D

cows, get helpthe_h_bomb

Yes...please seek therapy

Pretty funny read. I liked the part where you questioned how he got his job at GS. Now that you bring up some of his writing, it really is pretty poor.

Still, its not like anyone's going to change the rules of SW over one game.

Ive said it before. Explain to me why a game automatically deserves a higher score when a game is essentially an enhancement of the original game? If games were based on a PER GAME basis rather than a COMPETITIVE basis (aka, how it compares to games that already exist) than most recent games would be 10s. A game like Vexx would deserve atleast a 9 given as the reviewer states in that specific review that had it come out before Mario 64 on the N64, it would have been the greatest Platformer at the time. But guess what... games aren't reviewed on just a per game basis. The types of games that release in the same genre impact how a game should be. How a game compares to similar games in the genre impactsa review.

You are an idiot if you think a 7.5 is a horrible score for a game that as far as I can tell does nothing more than throw a new coat of paint over a game that was awesome nearly 5 years ago.

gamer620

I understand what you are saying but if we reviewed that way then every game would get 6s and 7s. The fact is that R&C has very solid and fun core gameplay mechanics, and adds a considerably amount of things to do in each installemen -- which is why the franchise has kept its high scores.

And again, I don't mind the score so much the things he states in his review. He could have given it a 7.5 if hes stated more plausible reasons.

I love how crysis has become the standard spelling for crisis throughout this entire forums.

Shows how much all of us think about it, even subconciously... :D

dgsag

lmfao i just noticed that.

[QUOTE="Danthegamingman"][QUOTE="Koalakommander"]

[QUOTE="Danthegamingman"]The review is one persons opinion other reviews have given it less than a 7.5. All you people flaming the reviewer should be perm banned for not letting it rest.Koalakommander

Well I'm actually trying to back my sh1t up unline everyone else who whine about reviewers being biased. And yes, actually, 7.5 was the lowest score given to this game.

huh, well it wasn't on gamerankings 0_o.

KoalaKommander

I agree with most of what you say, but switching from 2nd to 3rd person is fairly common in video game reviews. HelixTurnHelix

Maybe. But in my eyes you should either talk about the player, or the game character. And if you switch, you should wait till the next paragraph to do so.

I love how lemmings complain about people complaining about the score, even when this thread has nothing to do with the score.

This thread is about Aaron Thomas' lack of writing talent, which he has made apparent. Lemings can stand up for him all they want, and try to call this "OMG TEH OWNAGE CRY CRY" but it really has nothing to do with the score. His writing is attrocious. My writing may not be perfect either, but I don't write for one of the internets most popular gaming sites. Aaron did a HORRIBLE job at writing the review, and it was a very unprofessional review. I can't believe people are actually trying to "get over" this without having action taken. Would you be satisfied having some teenager who can't tell the difference between a disc brake and a drum brake work on the brakes in your car? Then why are you satisfied reading such a false, and horribly written review? Seriously. IMO this is grounds for repremanding.
0rin

Hooray for the people who read.

Sadly you won't be taking seriously either, simply because you have a Kai avatar. Welcome to SW.

Reviewing reviews. Only on System Wars.SpigleyMcCheese

Not true. Think Jaffe.

And just to nit pick the TC, the first gripe about using a concluding paragraph seems to be a part of the Gamespot review format. It's for the lazy (like me) who don't have time to read the full review and just want the gist at the beginning.

It might be interesting to see a critique of other GS reviewers, though I guess not as a System Wars thread.

[QUOTE="0rin"]I love how lemmings complain about people complaining about the score, even when this thread has nothing to do with the score.

This thread is about Aaron Thomas' lack of writing talent, which he has made apparent. Lemings can stand up for him all they want, and try to call this "OMG TEH OWNAGE CRY CRY" but it really has nothing to do with the score. His writing is attrocious. My writing may not be perfect either, but I don't write for one of the internets most popular gaming sites. Aaron did a HORRIBLE job at writing the review, and it was a very unprofessional review. I can't believe people are actually trying to "get over" this without having action taken. Would you be satisfied having some teenager who can't tell the difference between a disc brake and a drum brake work on the brakes in your car? Then why are you satisfied reading such a false, and horribly written review? Seriously. IMO this is grounds for repremanding.
Koalakommander

Hooray for the people who read.

Sadly you won't be taking seriously either, simply because you have a Kai avatar. Welcome to SW.

so if this game scored a 9.0 you still would have been apalled by his writing and made this thread? NO, /discussion

[QUOTE="Koalakommander"][QUOTE="Danthegamingman"][QUOTE="Koalakommander"]

[QUOTE="Danthegamingman"]The review is one persons opinion other reviews have given it less than a 7.5. All you people flaming the reviewer should be perm banned for not letting it rest.ApocalypseXIVV

Well I'm actually trying to back my sh1t up unline everyone else who whine about reviewers being biased. And yes, actually, 7.5 was the lowest score given to this game.

huh, well it wasn't on gamerankings 0_o.

KoalaKommander

[QUOTE="0rin"]I love how lemmings complain about people complaining about the score, even when this thread has nothing to do with the score.

This thread is about Aaron Thomas' lack of writing talent, which he has made apparent. Lemings can stand up for him all they want, and try to call this "OMG TEH OWNAGE CRY CRY" but it really has nothing to do with the score. His writing is attrocious. My writing may not be perfect either, but I don't write for one of the internets most popular gaming sites. Aaron did a HORRIBLE job at writing the review, and it was a very unprofessional review. I can't believe people are actually trying to "get over" this without having action taken. Would you be satisfied having some teenager who can't tell the difference between a disc brake and a drum brake work on the brakes in your car? Then why are you satisfied reading such a false, and horribly written review? Seriously. IMO this is grounds for repremanding.
Koalakommander

Hooray for the people who read.

Sadly you won't be taking seriously either, simply because you have a Kai avatar. Welcome to SW.

and what was that about this not being about the score?

I love how crysis has become the standard spelling for crisis throughout this entire forums.

Shows how much all of us think about it, even subconciously... :D

dgsag

:lol: I'm glad that I'm not the only person who notices those kinds of things.

[QUOTE="SpigleyMcCheese"]Reviewing reviews. Only on System Wars.tonemd_basic

Not true. Think Jaffe.

And just to nit pick the TC, the first gripe about using a concluding paragraph seems to be a part of the Gamespot review format. It's for the lazy (like me) who don't have time to read the full review and just want the gist at the beginning.

It might be interesting to see a critique of other GS reviewers, though I guess not as a System Wars thread.

Yeah I was waiting for someone to bring that up. But most of the well written reviews I see have a interesting introduction that pulls you into the review, and everyone naturally knows that the concluding summary can be located at the bottom of the page. This guy didn't even have a thesis statement.

[QUOTE="Koalakommander"]

[QUOTE="0rin"]I love how lemmings complain about people complaining about the score, even when this thread has nothing to do with the score.

This thread is about Aaron Thomas' lack of writing talent, which he has made apparent. Lemings can stand up for him all they want, and try to call this "OMG TEH OWNAGE CRY CRY" but it really has nothing to do with the score. His writing is attrocious. My writing may not be perfect either, but I don't write for one of the internets most popular gaming sites. Aaron did a HORRIBLE job at writing the review, and it was a very unprofessional review. I can't believe people are actually trying to "get over" this without having action taken. Would you be satisfied having some teenager who can't tell the difference between a disc brake and a drum brake work on the brakes in your car? Then why are you satisfied reading such a false, and horribly written review? Seriously. IMO this is grounds for repremanding.
ApocalypseXIVV

Hooray for the people who read.

Sadly you won't be taking seriously either, simply because you have a Kai avatar. Welcome to SW.

so if this game scored a 9.0 you still would have been apalled by his writing and made this thread? NO, /discussion

not fair, you answered for me =/

Yes I would still have done this. Although if the game got a 9.0, I'd be less inclined to fully read it because it would agree with everybody else. I think everyone would be bashing this guy if he gave it a 9.0 and had a conclusion that made the game sound like a 2.0

[QUOTE="flintgijoe"][QUOTE="Koalakommander"]

[QUOTE="iunderstand"]Koalakommander

The first sentence buddy. The first sentence..

I admire your attempt on trying to disect my disscection -- but you fail and here's why:

I am not a paid professional, I'm just some guy with an opinion like I stated in the beginning.

The point is that you take stuff out of context when you disect like that. Whether or not the author is paid is irrelevent.

Reviews are opinions. Aaron is paid to give his opinion on games. Thats all. He wasn't blown away by Ratchet and Clank. If you want to know why, you can read the review, where he states his reasons clearly. 7.5 is his Opinion. He thought the game was good, not great.

You seem to think that sense the GS team is paid, their opinions should magically fall in line with the review average of sites like metacritic, or else the are wrong. Like your above post, reviews are just opinions. There is nothing wrong with Aaron's review.

[QUOTE="tonemd_basic"]

[QUOTE="SpigleyMcCheese"]Koalakommander

And just to nit pick the TC, the first gripe about using a concluding paragraph seems to be a part of the Gamespot review format. It's for the lazy (like me) who don't have time to read the full review and just want the gist at the beginning.

Yeah I was waiting for someone to bring that up. But most of the well written reviews I see have a interesting introduction that pulls you into the review, and everyone naturally knows that the concluding summary can be located at the bottom of the page. This guy didn't even have a thesis statement.

So you agree that you were wrong about the concluding paragraph?

Seriosly. It is a game review. Not a Short Story.

[QUOTE="Koalakommander"]

[QUOTE="0rin"]I love how lemmings complain about people complaining about the score, even when this thread has nothing to do with the score.

This thread is about Aaron Thomas' lack of writing talent, which he has made apparent. Lemings can stand up for him all they want, and try to call this "OMG TEH OWNAGE CRY CRY" but it really has nothing to do with the score. His writing is attrocious. My writing may not be perfect either, but I don't write for one of the internets most popular gaming sites. Aaron did a HORRIBLE job at writing the review, and it was a very unprofessional review. I can't believe people are actually trying to "get over" this without having action taken. Would you be satisfied having some teenager who can't tell the difference between a disc brake and a drum brake work on the brakes in your car? Then why are you satisfied reading such a false, and horribly written review? Seriously. IMO this is grounds for repremanding.
ApocalypseXIVV

Hooray for the people who read.

Sadly you won't be taking seriously either, simply because you have a Kai avatar. Welcome to SW.

so if this game scored a 9.0 you still would have been apalled by his writing and made this thread? NO, /discussion

But when you mark such a popular game down like that, you'd better damn well have perfect writing talent, and a PERFECT explanation as to why you thought that game deserved such a lower score, ESPECIALLY when you know TENS OF THOUSANDS of people are going to be reading your work.

the stuff you point out makes sense, but this isn't "journalism wars".

if you want to point out his bad use of the english language do it a blog or something

Man, you guys just got to let it go, you can disect that review till it is atomized, but it will not change the score, and don't give me the "it's not about the score."

The game got the score, because there was just too much throwed into it.

/thread

[QUOTE="Koalakommander"][QUOTE="flintgijoe"][QUOTE="Koalakommander"]

[QUOTE="iunderstand"]flintgijoe

The first sentence buddy. The first sentence..

I admire your attempt on trying to disect my disscection -- but you fail and here's why:

I am not a paid professional, I'm just some guy with an opinion like I stated in the beginning.

The point is that you take stuff out of context when you disect like that. Whether or not the author is paid is irrelevent.

Reviews are opinions. Aaron is paid to give his opinion on games. Thats all. He wasn't blown away by Ratchet and Clank. If you want to know why, you can read the review, where he states his reasons clearly. 7.5 is his Opinion. He thought the game was good, not great.

You seem to think that sense the GS team is paid, their opinions should magically fall in line with the review average of sites like metacritic, or else the are wrong. Like your above post, reviews are just opinions. There is nothing wrong with Aaron's review.

I agree with his reviews. Why do you care so much? It's halloween. Go get some candy instead of worrying about a guys opinion on a game.BioShockOwnz

If you read the TCs opening paragraph you would know why they did something like this.

The game got the score, because the developers put too many ingredients in the recipe, too much can be a bad thing.

The game got the score, because the developers put too many ingredients in the recipe, too much can be a bad thing.

fixer293

[QUOTE="fixer293"]

The game got the score, because the developers put too many ingredients in the recipe, too much can be a bad thing.

PdIZZLE-PS3

Dude, the game flopped, because the developers added to much that overshadowed what the core gameplay was, no matter how many times you disect the review, bash the review, the review still stands, get over it.

[QUOTE="PdIZZLE-PS3"][QUOTE="fixer293"]

The game got the score, because the developers put too many ingredients in the recipe, too much can be a bad thing.

fixer293

Dude, the game flopped, because the developers added to much that overshadowed what the core gameplay was, no matter how many times you disect the review, bash the review, the review still stands, get over it.

what does that have to do with this thread?

[QUOTE="fixer293"][QUOTE="PdIZZLE-PS3"][QUOTE="fixer293"]

The game got the score, because the developers put too many ingredients in the recipe, too much can be a bad thing.

xTHExJUICEx

Dude, the game flopped, because the developers added to much that overshadowed what the core gameplay was, no matter how many times you disect the review, bash the review, the review still stands, get over it.

what does that have to do with this thread?

I will tell you what it has to do with this thread, cows who can't seem to move on, that try everything in their power to bash gamespot and it's reviewers, simply because they do not agree with a review. The score and review, no matter how the TC sees it, stand, and this thread is just one big whine session.

I am outta here

i havent read it, i will because it seems interesting and you've obviously put effort into it, but i just want to know:

Why'd you choose R&C of all things? Because R&C just happens to be a game you were highly anticipating? Why didnt you do any of the other big games to be released recently? just curious.

Edit: Nevermind i wont read it. at first i thought it was going to be a good read, then i realized it was just you raging a personal war against the guy. oh well.

Ignore the flamers -- that was a very good post TC. Though I disagree with your method of bashing the reviewer a tad bit too much and saying some information "isn't necessary" seems to point to you not realising a review has to cater to people who aren't familier with the Ratchet and Clank series. While I agree with your opinion of him being too wordy, quite a few times those "useless bits of info" were a bit informative and helped me see his viewpoint. Just an opinion.

Other than that, I couldn't see anything wrong with your post, and your evidence pointing to people with much more ethos than you even disagreeing with him by 20% was a very good wrap up.

I do believe that the most entertaining part of this read was the fact that you spell "crisis" as "crysis".

Perfect example of ads corrupting our youth... sad. :)

Or you just suck at spelling.

I do believe that the most entertaining part of this read was the fact that you spell "crisis" as "crysis".

Perfect example of ads corrupting our youth... sad. :)

Or you just suck at spelling.

Jimmi323

Doesn't even compare to how many people spell "ludicrous" as "ludacris".

wow tc, that was actually pretty good. I think you make some good and some bad points.

The good:Aaron's review does have problems. A lot of people are dissing you for nitpicking but some of those things really bug me too. Words like "good", "kind of", and "interesting" are really amibiguous and dont have any descriptive quality to them. It would seem to me that Aaron played the game "felt" as if it was a 7.5 and then went out and found reasons to give that score, without knowing precisely what it was.

The bad: An easy game is like a B movie. You can argue that a B movie shouldn't be punished for its lesser status because it isn't trying to be Spielberg, but in the end its still deserves a lesser review. In the end it sounds like there is a lot of annoying or useless aspects to the game that drag it down. I haven't played it, but that's the impression that i get from the review, so if I'm not being fair then dont blame me :P

Hey you were pretty thorough and nice job. I dont agree with you on "stuff" (excuse my bad word choice) like how giving people breakdowns on weapon upgrades and basic control schemes being useless. I have only played RCUp Your Arsenal for a few hours and it was good getting a refresher on basic things, and imagine how somebody with no idea what the game is about will benefit from this useless info.

Also I think that his writing is fine. I don't really care if he writes in breathtakingly dramatic prose. I dont read reviews for literary merit. He gets his point across about whats in the game, what he likes, what he doesnt.

I think the score is fine and it is proved in the review (I think this is what your dissection was about?). Maybe it is low compared to others, but he mentions how the core game is quite good but other things override it, making the score go down. I say that a good core gameplay can get a game as high as an 8.5, and extras like story, longevity (multiplayer or campaign that keeps the game going), originality and some tilt can boost or lower a score. So you take that core gameplay and minus the story(yea i know you said who cares about story in RC but i think it still factors in because after having multiple games without a story they had this chance to improve that and did not, according to this review)and originality points and you get 7.5

Its a good game but not great, but if you like it whats the matter anyway?

Good job taking time and being fairly reasonable though. BTW hope i dont sound too noob because ive been reading SW for a few months but have never gotten the guts to post until now.

Attacking his writing skills now? Please, please just move on. Is it really that big of a deal? Instead of complaining about a review, just enjoy the damn game.

TreyoftheDead

What about teh Sheeps? They did this, and are still trying to do this. Cows are hypocrites because they despised what the Sheep were doing, but now they join in the suicide/Gamerankings fad.