it's the most realistic looking game, but nowhere near the best game of all time, it's just another military shooter.
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it's the most realistic looking game, but nowhere near the best game of all time, it's just another military shooter.
please enlighten me[QUOTE="Diviniuz"]
[QUOTE="waltefmoney"]
Nah, I mean Crysis is not even close to being the best fps this gen. Heck, it's not even close to being one of the best. Heck, it's not even the best PC FPS.
waltefmoney
If you think the game is all "graphics" then clearly you haven't played the game
Generic, awful story, awful pacing. That is all.
IMO, of course.
Yeah, you haven't played it in 2007 it beat Halo 3, COD4 as best shooter of the year here, scoring 9.5 Yet you claim it terrible and light years behind games it scored 91 on metacritics http://www.metacritic.com/game/pc/crysis yet again you claim the game to be rubbish... hmm... 91 without the 40 offical xbox magazines[QUOTE="waltefmoney"]For a game that at it's core is based around player choice and sandbox design, no it is paced wonderfully; it's a perfect example of excellent pacing in this regard. Even it's dull restrictive sections are paced well. It's story is predictable, however it is well presented and decently told, despite lacking originality. It is a weak point, however as with shooters, this is not the driving force of the game; even touted titles like Bioshock dive into mediocrity after a certain point, while others like Halo 3 are so wound up in their own logic completely defy intelligent storytelling conventions (Call of Duty included). To quote gamespot: "Crysis is visually stunning, packed with intelligent, thrilling gameplay, and easily one of the greatest shooters ever made." While my opinion differs there is a reason behind this statement, and narrative sure as hell isn't one.Generic, awful story, awful pacing. That is all.
IMO, of course.
skrat_01
I never said the game sucks, I simply said it's not the best FPS this gen, or close to being the best. For me, the pacing was awful. Mostly because of the sandbox. You could go on for quite a while without getting into a fight, bored out of your mind. The level design was pretty good at times and pretty bad in others(the alien ship). The story was laughable. The vehicle segments were well..really, really, really bad. And again - I'm not saying the game is bad, but it's not even close to being the best FPS this gen, let alone the greatest game of all time.
No, but it's definitely one of the best games this gen, and one of the best modern first person shooters to date. What many people don't seem to realise is that the advanced technique of Crysis doesn't just make the game look good. It allows for huge levels with tons of AI, and even if each level has a start and a finish, many of them are fully explorable and easily rank up with some sandbox game worlds in terms of size. This setting allows for fluid, creative, intelligent and variable gameplay that provides a welcome relief from all the corridor crawling shooters that seem to be taking over the market these days.
So no, it's not the best game ever, but yes, it is a very, very good game, and people who say this game is all graphics are obviously missing the point.
I love threads like these. Console gamers talk more about crysis than us PC guys. Crysis is an amazing game when you actually utilize the nano suit and dont just play it like every other run of the mill FPS. This being said I cant say its the best. Yes its definitely up there with the greats but not my favorite. Console gamers need to give crysis a rest. Killfox
I agree with this; I have rarely seen hermits bring up crysis anymore, maybe at a time but not now. However I still see console gamers bringing it up in some thread or another so hermits have to respond. Then the console gamers cry that PC gamers mention crysis constantly and post their screens, just stop. It was a good game with terrific graphics; definatly not the best FPS this gen.
No what you did say was:I never said the game sucks, I simply said it's not the best FPS this gen, or close to being the best. For me, the pacing was awful. Mostly because of the sandbox. You could go on for quite a while without getting into a fight, bored out of your mind. The level design was pretty good at times and pretty bad in others(the alien ship). The story was laughable. The vehicle segments were well..really, really, really bad. And again - I'm not saying the game is bad, but it's not even close to being the best FPS this gen, let alone the greatest game of all time.
waltefmoney
Followed by:The only reason they blabber about Crysis all the time is because of the graphics.
waltefmoney
As I have pointed out, I'd like you to show 5 shooters this generation that are progressive and inventive as Crysis, or have as original game design. These happen to be strengths of the game that puts it well beyond most shooters this gen, in a genre that has stagnated.Nah, I mean Crysis is not even close to being the best fps this gen. Heck, it's not even close to being one of the best. Heck, it's not even the best PC FPS.
waltefmoney
Otherwise you are wrong about pacing. I don't care if you have found it awful; This is not Call of Duty, this is a completely different game by design, as far as a sandbox layout goes in pacing and providing player space, it is very impressive. I don't care if you didn't enjoy the game or found it boring, that's your opinion, simply you are wrong about it being poorly paced: as a piece of game design and level design; let alone something that is extremely unconventional, it is very well done.
The level design for most of the part is excellent. The player almost always is given enough visual direction and funneling to know where to progress, and in the better sections of the game, ample amounts of freedom (something extremely admirable and completely outside nearly every genre trope). The biggest issue is that the inventiveness and gameplay changing level design for the first two thirds is lost in the last; spoiling everything that made the game stand out.
Otherwise I am inclined to agree that one vehicle section being the VTOL bit was simply bad, and the on rails shooting section completely defied everything good about the game. These two are negligible compared to the amount of weight the positive aspects hold.
As I said about the 'story' "It's story is predictable, however it is well presented and decently told, despite lacking originality. It is a weak point, however as with shooters, this is not the driving force of the game; even touted titles like Bioshock dive into mediocrity after a certain point, while others like Halo 3 are so wound up in their own logic completely defy intelligent storytelling conventions (Call of Duty included)." You weren't playing the game for the story, or even the narrative, you were playing it for the gameplay.
The narrative carries the game well, however it is never the driving force compared to games with a narrative focus; it's biggest problem is how predictable and un-original it is.
If it's not close to being the best FPS gen then prove it.
Prove that the games originality and inventiveness, scope, polish and successful ambition (as well as obvious production values) somehow ARE NOT evidence of it being one of the 'the best' FPS this generation.
I do not believe in there being a single 'best' title, nor I believe in trivial point scoring like 'the greatest game ever'.What I do know is a games worth, and I do know when a particular title stands above others.
Crysis is pretty, and thats it. The game really sucks otherwise. (Compared to other shooters on the PC)
Crysis = A reason for a PC gamer tro come into a console thread and say "Crysis loks better than both"
Other than that it doesnt serve a real purpose.
Find me 5 shooters this gen that have as progressive gameplay and design as Crysis. Go on.[QUOTE="skrat_01"]No. [QUOTE="waltefmoney"]
I don't think they do. The only reason they blabber about Crysis all the time is because of the graphics.
waltefmoney
Define progressive gameplay and design, please.
Not being Doom clone #9123 It allows you to forge your own playstyle like very few games allow. On the fly gun modification, suit mods, large open areas, vehicles etc. It's no tthe best FPS on the planet, but its a very damn good one, and it gets way too much hate. Most people treat it as "the dumb blonde", while its a beatuiful game with exelent gameplay.it's just another military shooter.PcGamingRig
How? Name me one recent military shooter that even compares to Crysis in terms of gameplay. Generally I find these claims about Crysis being generic or another run-of-the-mill shooter hilarious as this impression can only last if all you did was looking at the box art.
[QUOTE="ShuffleSe7en"]
Crysis is pretty, and thats it.
Prove it. I always love that review quip when people say Crysis is just graphics. "Crysis is visually stunning, packed with intelligent, thrilling gameplay, and easily one of the greatest shooters ever made." Take out the part about graphics.... "Crysis is packed with intelligent, thrilling gameplay, and easily one of the greatest shooters ever made." Still sounds like a pretty good game to me ;)Well yeah... we all think its the greatest game of all time, solely because its got the best graphics. [/sarcasm]
Why are people this silly when it comes to misconceptions regarding PC? Is it "cool" for consolites to act like this towards another platform?
[QUOTE="ShuffleSe7en"]
Crysis is pretty, and thats it.
Prove it. I always love that review quip when people say Crysis is just graphics. "Crysis is visually stunning, packed with intelligent, thrilling gameplay, and easily one of the greatest shooters ever made." Take out the part about graphics.... "Crysis is packed with intelligent, thrilling gameplay, and easily one of the greatest shooters ever made." Still sounds like a pretty good game to me ;) Eh most people just go "well if its graphics are soo good it has to be linear and boring!".Fuuny that it is console gamers that make most crysis threads lol. "insert console game" looks better than crysis....this is just one example.
The only time the majority of PC gamers talk of crysis is to provr threads wrong made by console gamers claiming such things,
So the question should be, "Do console gamers think crysis is the greatest game of all time", go to the PC forum, it's hardly ever mentioned.
Halo puts way more effort into other things other then graphics, although Reach looks amazing.
halo design,music,story > Crysis
Crysis graphics,physics > Halo.
Simple
I take it you never played Crysis thenCrysis is pretty, and thats it. The game really sucks otherwise. (Compared to other shooters on the PC)
Crysis = A reason for a PC gamer tro come into a console thread and say "Crysis loks better than both"
Other than that it doesnt serve a real purpose.
ShuffleSe7en
Also Crysis gameplay > HaloHalo puts way more effort into other things other then graphics, although Reach looks amazing.
halo design,music,story > Crysis
Crysis graphics,physics > Halo.
Simple
XxHoosierdaddy
Halo puts way more effort into other things other then graphics, although Reach looks amazing.
halo design,music,story > Crysis
Crysis graphics,physics > Halo.
Simple
Hm, your intentions are showing. Wonder how many people will still take the bait.[QUOTE="XxHoosierdaddy"]Also Crysis gameplay > HaloHalo puts way more effort into other things other then graphics, although Reach looks amazing.
halo design,music,story > Crysis
Crysis graphics,physics > Halo.
Simple
chaplainDMK
Nope, Halo gameplay > Crysis.
No, not really.halo design
XxHoosierdaddy
You are comparing formula from 2001, which has been superseded by small evolutionary steps in its sequels to a game that is an evolutionary leap forwards in game design, let alone inventive and good game design.
Even Halo Reach of all games is taking a leaf from Crysis's book in proving a 'sandbox environment' in granting 'player choice'. Whether or not it is half as progressive as Crysis we shall see; I imagine it will be closer to something like ArmA II.
Nope, Halo gameplay > Crysis.
waltefmoney
Prove it.
I'm still hoping for those 5 games let alone a proper reply.
Also Crysis gameplay > Halo[QUOTE="chaplainDMK"][QUOTE="XxHoosierdaddy"]
Halo puts way more effort into other things other then graphics, although Reach looks amazing.
halo design,music,story > Crysis
Crysis graphics,physics > Halo.
Simple
waltefmoney
Nope, Halo gameplay > Crysis.
Why?[QUOTE="waltefmoney"][QUOTE="chaplainDMK"] Also Crysis gameplay > Halo chaplainDMK
Nope, Halo gameplay > Crysis.
Why?Because it's ten times more fun. And I thought that's what video games are about, fun.
I hate how my fellow hermits always bring this game up. It is arguably the best looking game out there, but it is a very average game.
shaneras
Look at who created the topic, then look at 5 other threads about crysis below. Its not pc gamers thats bringing it up!
You PC gamers are so blind. Do you honestly believe that Crisis has better music, story, and gameplay than Halo?
Crysis has graphics, yay...
You PC gamers are so blind. Do you honestly believe that Crisis has better music, story, and gameplay than Halo?
XxHoosierdaddy
IMO music and story for Halo is better but Crysis has better gameplay. Hell I just finshed Halo 3 so I could know how it ended; while despite Crysis terrible story the gameplay kept me playing.
You know what's more fun than both. A Cup and Ball. Fun is not how you meter what is better, it is what you personally define as more more enjoyable. Also video games are not purely about fun, just like films not purely about fun entertainment. This is a horribly dated notion.Because it's ten times more fun. And I thought that's what video games are about, fun.
waltefmoney
[QUOTE="waltefmoney"]You know what's more fun than both. A Cup and Ball. Fun is not how you meter what is better, it is what you personally define as more more enjoyable. Also video games are not purely about fun, just like films not purely about fun entertainment. This is a horribly dated notion.Because it's ten times more fun. And I thought that's what video games are about, fun.
skrat_01
Awesome, so which game did more for the FPS genre, Halo or Crysis?
This same thread could be made about PS3 gamers regarding KZ and about 360 gamers regarding Halo. There are easily more threads made about these than crysis. Like i keep saying, most threads regarding crysis are like this one, not made by PC gamers praising it but by people bashing it. Then fans of the game present facts to counter.
This PC hate is getting rather sad lol, seems some people are taking it way too far. It's pretty funny actually.
Why?[QUOTE="chaplainDMK"][QUOTE="waltefmoney"]
Nope, Halo gameplay > Crysis.
waltefmoney
Because it's ten times more fun. And I thought that's what video games are about, fun.
Fun is a very subjective qualification. What makes Halo more fun? Do those reasons also actually make the game better? Because fun and good are 2 entirely different things.
In other words, elaborate your opinions instead of solely claiming something without backing it up.
You know what's more fun than both. A Cup and Ball. Fun is not how you meter what is better, it is what you personally define as more more enjoyable. Also video games are not purely about fun, just like films not purely about fun entertainment. This is a horribly dated notion.[QUOTE="skrat_01"][QUOTE="waltefmoney"]
Because it's ten times more fun. And I thought that's what video games are about, fun.
waltefmoney
Awesome, so which game did more for the FPS genre, Halo or Crysis?
Neither, both put alot of old concepts into one game...You're falling back on meaningless point scoring? That is pretty pitiful. Grow up. This is not a debate between an IPs influence on a genre compared to a titles own merits. You're comparing a games merits as a solitary piece against another, if you can't even prove a basic point in favor of your argument then you're only damaging what little of a point and shred of credibility you had.Awesome, so which game did more for the FPS genre, Halo or Crysis?
waltefmoney
If you think that then it's obvious you haven't played it or haven't played it enough.Crysis is pretty, and thats it. The game really sucks otherwise. (Compared to other shooters on the PC)
Crysis = A reason for a PC gamer tro come into a console thread and say "Crysis loks better than both"
Other than that it doesnt serve a real purpose.
ShuffleSe7en
[QUOTE="waltefmoney"]You're falling back on meaningless point scoring? That is pretty pitiful. Grow up. This is not a debate between an IPs influence on a genre compared to a titles own merits. You're comparing a games merits as a solitary piece against another, if you can't even prove a basic point in favor of your argument then you're only damaging what little of a point and shred of credibility you had.Awesome, so which game did more for the FPS genre, Halo or Crysis?
skrat_01
You're the one claiming Crysis to be revolutionary. So I ask again, which game did more for the FPS genre? Also which of the two is being hyped to kill the other by it's publishers?
What a joke. COD4, Halo3, Reach, are better than Crysis my friend, at everything, but graphics. I know it's hard to believe. XxHoosierdaddy
The only people who are blind are those who cannot even justify their points and judgments with decent evidence.skrat_01
The irony.You PC gamers are so blind
XxHoosierdaddy
You're falling back on meaningless point scoring? That is pretty pitiful. Grow up. This is not a debate between an IPs influence on a genre compared to a titles own merits. You're comparing a games merits as a solitary piece against another, if you can't even prove a basic point in favor of your argument then you're only damaging what little of a point and shred of credibility you had.[QUOTE="skrat_01"][QUOTE="waltefmoney"]
Awesome, so which game did more for the FPS genre, Halo or Crysis?
waltefmoney
You're the one claiming Crysis to be revolutionary. So I ask again, which game did more for the FPS genre?
Progressive =/= revolutionary... Progressive means that you try to use the latest concepts. Halo just stagnates on its 9 year old formula, like most other games do.Please Log In to post.
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