Do people still honestly believe that the PS3 is more powerful than the 360?

We all know how much Sony hyped it's PS3, saying how it was the most powerful console on the market. And we all believed it, myself included. Then, once the games started coming out, and there was no difference at all in them (and the PS3 usually having much inferior multi-plat versions), we started chaulking it up to the fact that the PS3 was hard to develop for, and that eventually the "true power of the cell" would shine. Well, ONE YEAR into the PS3's life, and there is absolutely ZERO evidence that the PS3 is more powerful than the 360. The 360 is still getting superior multi-plats, the true measure between the power of consoles. Cows are rejoicing that the PS3 version of COD4 is EQUAL to the 360.

And people are still blaming devs for the poor quality of PS3 games, without acknowledging that these same devs are the best in the world at making games and still try their best to make good PS3 games- it is simply impossible to make a good PS3 game without 100s of developers and multi-million dollar budgets. Dev after dev has also trashed the PS3, saying that it's architecture is not well suited to powerful gaming, or that at least it has several MAJOR bottlenecks. There still has not been a PS3 game that could not be done on the 360.

A lot of people talk about how the PS3 still has so much "potential." Well, it's almost 2008, the current gen started in late 2006 when the 360 launched, and the next gen will probably start in 2011 or so, so the PS3 has only a limited time to start showing this "potential," which so far is far from being proved.

So someone PLEASE explain to me why people still think that the PS3 is so much more powerful than the 360?

We all know how much Sony hyped it's PS3, saying how it was the most powerful console on the market. And we all believed it, myself included. Then, once the games started coming out, and there was no difference at all in them (and the PS3 usually having much inferior multi-plat versions), we started chaulking it up to the fact that the PS3 was hard to develop for, and that eventually the "true power of the cell" would shine. Well, ONE YEAR into the PS3's life, and there is absolutely ZERO evidence that the PS3 is more powerful than the 360. The 360 is still getting superior multi-plats, the true measure between the power of consoles. Cows are rejoicing that the PS3 version of COD4 is EQUAL to the 360.

And people are still blaming devs for the poor quality of PS3 games, without acknowledging that these same devs are the best in the world at making games and still try their best to make good PS3 games- it is simply impossible to make a good PS3 game without 100s of developers and multi-million dollar budgets. Dev after dev has also trashed the PS3, saying that it's architecture is not well suited to powerful gaming, or that at least it has several MAJOR bottlenecks. There still has not been a PS3 game that could not be done on the 360.

A lot of people talk about how the PS3 still has so much "potential." Well, it's almost 2008, the current gen started in late 2006 when the 360 launched, and the next gen will probably start in 2011 or so, so the PS3 has only a limited time to start showing this "potential," which so far is far from being proved.

So someone PLEASE explain to me why people still think that the PS3 is so much more powerful than the 360?

accameron

do you actuall belive PS3 is not stronger than 360?

no game on 360 comes close to looking as good as uncharted

Its the same reason Sheep are saying Super Mario Galaxy looks better than all the 360 games.

Blind fanboy delusion.

do you actuall belive PS3 is not stronger than 360?

no game on 360 comes close to looking as good as uncharted

M0rph0_o

Stop, just stop it already.

The 360 is still getting superior multi-plats, the true measure between the power of consoles. Cows are rejoicing that the PS3 version of COD4 is EQUAL to the 360.

accameron

Mark Rein says UE3 runs better on PS3. Watchout, your feelings might get hurt.

Why do you keep making threads when they are all pretty much useless?Finale-

Why are they useless? I am using FACTS to downplay this ridiculous notion that Cows are STILL believing. Blu-ray still hasn't even proven it's advantages, as shown by the really short PS3 games that keep getting released (Heavenly Sword, Lair, Uncharted, etc).

Next question: knowing that the PS3 is not any more powerful than the 360, but still much more expensive, why would anyone buy a PS3? It simply boggles my mind.

[QUOTE="M0rph0_o"]

do you actuall belive PS3 is not stronger than 360?

no game on 360 comes close to looking as good as uncharted

Fignewton50

Stop, just stop it already.

This gen actually started in late 2005 with the launch of the 360. Just a minor error - it actually bolsters your point.

The counterargument, however, is that at PS3 launch, the PS3 versions of multiplats were significantly worse than the 360 versions. Several months after that, they had improved but were still worse. Now, with CoD4 and Assassins Creed, it looks like they're about on par. Hence, you could argue that the developers have slowly been figuring out the architecture. The PS3's curve of improvement may then cross the 360s, and PS3 versions could start getting better. This has yet to be seen, and I am not claiming that this will be the case - just that the argument could be made. It's certainly not the 120FPS and 4d we were promised, but the day may come when they are actually better, though it's doubtful that the improvement would be very significant.

[QUOTE="accameron"]

The 360 is still getting superior multi-plats, the true measure between the power of consoles. Cows are rejoicing that the PS3 version of COD4 is EQUAL to the 360.

jdang307

Mark Rein says UE3 runs better on PS3. Watchout, your feelings might get hurt.

No, this is one of several EXCEPTIONS to this rule. If the PS3 were as powerful as Sony stated, it would always have equal or better multi-plats. It doesn't. The reason I even said the COD4 part is that this is only one of the FEW multi-plats that are even close to equal, and you can bet that a LOT of dev extra TLC went into making COD4 equal to the 360 version.

[QUOTE="Finale-"]Why do you keep making threads when they are all pretty much useless?accameron

Why are they useless? I am using FACTS to downplay this ridiculous notion that Cows are STILL believing. Blu-ray still hasn't even proven it's advantages, as shown by the really short PS3 games that keep getting released (Heavenly Sword, Lair, Uncharted, etc).

Next question: knowing that the PS3 is not any more powerful than the 360, but still much more expensive, why would anyone buy a PS3? It simply boggles my mind.

What facts did you state? Your using you Opinon, which is not fact. If you look a a spec. sheet of each consoles inards, PS3 is more Tech advanced. What that translate to to videogames, i dont know.

[QUOTE="Finale-"]Why do you keep making threads when they are all pretty much useless?accameron

Why are they useless? I am using FACTS to downplay this ridiculous notion that Cows are STILL believing. Blu-ray still hasn't even proven it's advantages, as shown by the really short PS3 games that keep getting released (Heavenly Sword, Lair, Uncharted, etc).

Next question: knowing that the PS3 is not any more powerful than the 360, but still much more expensive, why would anyone buy a PS3? It simply boggles my mind.

[QUOTE="Finale-"]Why do you keep making threads when they are all pretty much useless?accameron

Why are they useless? I am using FACTS to downplay this ridiculous notion that Cows are STILL believing. Blu-ray still hasn't even proven it's advantages, as shown by the really short PS3 games that keep getting released (Heavenly Sword, Lair, Uncharted, etc).

Next question: knowing that the PS3 is not any more powerful than the 360, but still much more expensive, why would anyone buy a PS3? It simply boggles my mind.

So basically, all your threads are pretty much useless.

[QUOTE="jdang307"][QUOTE="accameron"]

The 360 is still getting superior multi-plats, the true measure between the power of consoles. Cows are rejoicing that the PS3 version of COD4 is EQUAL to the 360.

accameron

Mark Rein says UE3 runs better on PS3. Watchout, your feelings might get hurt.

No, this is one of several EXCEPTIONS to this rule. If the PS3 were as powerful as Sony stated, it would always have equal or better multi-plats. It doesn't. The reason I even said the COD4 part is that this is only one of the FEW multi-plats that are even close to equal, and you can bet that a LOT of dev extra TLC went into making COD4 equal to the 360 version.

[QUOTE="Finale-"]Why do you keep making threads when they are all pretty much useless?accameron

Why are they useless? I am using FACTS to downplay this ridiculous notion that Cows are STILL believing. Blu-ray still hasn't even proven it's advantages, as shown by the really short PS3 games that keep getting released (Heavenly Sword, Lair, Uncharted, etc).

Next question: knowing that the PS3 is not any more powerful than the 360, but still much more expensive, why would anyone buy a PS3? It simply boggles my mind.

Correction: Your using selective examples and facts and excluding sucesses and praise by other devs.

As to your other question: I like the games the PS3 has/or will have as opposed to the games the 360 has/or will have.

[QUOTE="accameron"]

We all know how much Sony hyped it's PS3, saying how it was the most powerful console on the market. And we all believed it, myself included. Then, once the games started coming out, and there was no difference at all in them (and the PS3 usually having much inferior multi-plat versions), we started chaulking it up to the fact that the PS3 was hard to develop for, and that eventually the "true power of the cell" would shine. Well, ONE YEAR into the PS3's life, and there is absolutely ZERO evidence that the PS3 is more powerful than the 360. The 360 is still getting superior multi-plats, the true measure between the power of consoles. Cows are rejoicing that the PS3 version of COD4 is EQUAL to the 360.

And people are still blaming devs for the poor quality of PS3 games, without acknowledging that these same devs are the best in the world at making games and still try their best to make good PS3 games- it is simply impossible to make a good PS3 game without 100s of developers and multi-million dollar budgets. Dev after dev has also trashed the PS3, saying that it's architecture is not well suited to powerful gaming, or that at least it has several MAJOR bottlenecks. There still has not been a PS3 game that could not be done on the 360.

A lot of people talk about how the PS3 still has so much "potential." Well, it's almost 2008, the current gen started in late 2006 when the 360 launched, and the next gen will probably start in 2011 or so, so the PS3 has only a limited time to start showing this "potential," which so far is far from being proved.

So someone PLEASE explain to me why people still think that the PS3 is so much more powerful than the 360?

M0rph0_o

do you actuall belive PS3 is not stronger than 360?

no game on 360 comes close to looking as good as uncharted

*leaves*

This gen actually started in late 2005 with the launch of the 360. Just a minor error - it actually bolsters your point.

The counterargument, however, is that at PS3 launch, the PS3 versions of multiplats were significantly worse than the 360 versions. Several months after that, they had improved but were still worse. Now, with CoD4 and Assassins Creed, it looks like they're about on par. Hence, you could argue that the developers have slowly been figuring out the architecture. The PS3's curve of improvement may then cross the 360s, and PS3 versions could start getting better. This has yet to be seen, and I am not claiming that this will be the case - just that the argument could be made. It's certainly not the 120FPS and 4d we were promised, but the day may come when they are actually better, though it's doubtful that the improvement would be very significant.

ByLaw1

I see what you are saying, but the fact remains that the only multi-plats to achieve even close to parity with the 360 versions are the major, hyped, big budget titles. The ones that have millions spent on them. You can say that this means that the PS3 devs are improving, but at a HUGE cost. And there really is still only a handful of PS3 games that are anywhere close to the 360 version. And by handful, I mean 5 or so.

[QUOTE="accameron"]

We all know how much Sony hyped it's PS3, saying how it was the most powerful console on the market. And we all believed it, myself included. Then, once the games started coming out, and there was no difference at all in them (and the PS3 usually having much inferior multi-plat versions), we started chaulking it up to the fact that the PS3 was hard to develop for, and that eventually the "true power of the cell" would shine. Well, ONE YEAR into the PS3's life, and there is absolutely ZERO evidence that the PS3 is more powerful than the 360. The 360 is still getting superior multi-plats, the true measure between the power of consoles. Cows are rejoicing that the PS3 version of COD4 is EQUAL to the 360.

And people are still blaming devs for the poor quality of PS3 games, without acknowledging that these same devs are the best in the world at making games and still try their best to make good PS3 games- it is simply impossible to make a good PS3 game without 100s of developers and multi-million dollar budgets. Dev after dev has also trashed the PS3, saying that it's architecture is not well suited to powerful gaming, or that at least it has several MAJOR bottlenecks. There still has not been a PS3 game that could not be done on the 360.

A lot of people talk about how the PS3 still has so much "potential." Well, it's almost 2008, the current gen started in late 2006 when the 360 launched, and the next gen will probably start in 2011 or so, so the PS3 has only a limited time to start showing this "potential," which so far is far from being proved.

So someone PLEASE explain to me why people still think that the PS3 is so much more powerful than the 360?

M0rph0_o

do you actuall belive PS3 is not stronger than 360?

no game on 360 comes close to looking as good as uncharted

Its the same reason Sheep are saying Super Mario Galaxy looks better than all the 360 games.

Blind fanboy delusion.

JiveT

I think it looks better than some but not all by any means. But yeah the PS3 has many strengths and so does the 360.

no game on 360 comes close to looking as good as uncharted

M0rph0_o

I'm not a PS3 fan, but on paper the PS3 is,technologically speaking, definitely more powerful than the 360. The devs just seem to have a hard time harnessing the power.

And to Morpho_o, that's just rediculous... There are other PS3 games that look better than Uncharted...

the tc is so narrow minded it makes me laugh. when i stop laughing i feel pity. once that feeling is over i pretty much ignore everything he/she has to say

closing comment

the ps3 IS more powerful then the 360. Do you know how old the ps3 is compared to the 360? Its only been out for a year and its multiplats are already becoming better. take COD4 and UT3 as examples.

[QUOTE="accameron"][QUOTE="jdang307"][QUOTE="accameron"]

The 360 is still getting superior multi-plats, the true measure between the power of consoles. Cows are rejoicing that the PS3 version of COD4 is EQUAL to the 360.

horgen123

Mark Rein says UE3 runs better on PS3. Watchout, your feelings might get hurt.

No, this is one of several EXCEPTIONS to this rule. If the PS3 were as powerful as Sony stated, it would always have equal or better multi-plats. It doesn't. The reason I even said the COD4 part is that this is only one of the FEW multi-plats that are even close to equal, and you can bet that a LOT of dev extra TLC went into making COD4 equal to the 360 version.

But how long, and at what expense will this happen? Devs have already been trying for a long time to make the best games possible on the PS3, and are falling on their faces. THese same devs also just happen to be professionals that are at the top of their trade- if they can't do it, no one can.

Face it, the PS3 might have blu-ray, and might have some impressive tech (which I have read several times is largely related to blu-ray playback), but saying that it is more powerful than the 360 is just crap. And even if it was more powerful, if devs can't utilize that power, it is useless. Either way, the 360 wins.

Also, saying that devs will "figure out the cell" in 2009 will be TOO LATE. Sorry for your poor console investment choices, guys.

[QUOTE="horgen123"][QUOTE="accameron"][QUOTE="jdang307"][QUOTE="accameron"]

The 360 is still getting superior multi-plats, the true measure between the power of consoles. Cows are rejoicing that the PS3 version of COD4 is EQUAL to the 360.

accameron

Mark Rein says UE3 runs better on PS3. Watchout, your feelings might get hurt.

No, this is one of several EXCEPTIONS to this rule. If the PS3 were as powerful as Sony stated, it would always have equal or better multi-plats. It doesn't. The reason I even said the COD4 part is that this is only one of the FEW multi-plats that are even close to equal, and you can bet that a LOT of dev extra TLC went into making COD4 equal to the 360 version.

But how long, and at what expense will this happen? Devs have already been trying for a long time to make the best games possible on the PS3, and are falling on their faces. THese same devs also just happen to be professionals that are at the top of their trade- if they can't do it, no one can.

Face it, the PS3 might have blu-ray, and might have some impressive tech (which I have read several times is largely related to blu-ray playback), but saying that it is more powerful than the 360 is just crap. And even if it was more powerful, if devs can't utilize that power, it is useless. Either way, the 360 wins.

Also, saying that devs will "figure out the cell" in 2009 will be TOO LATE. Sorry for your poor console investment choices, guys.

THe Consoles only been out less than a year, how is that "a very long time"

the tc is so narrow minded it makes me laugh. when i stop laughing i feel pity. once that feeling is over i pretty much ignore everything he/she has to say

closing comment

the ps3 IS more powerful then the 360. Do you know how old the ps3 is compared to the 360? Its only been out for a year and its multiplats are already becoming better. take COD4 and UT3 as examples.

stefanlek

It doesn't matter how long the PS3 has been out compared to the 360, or how long the dev kits have been out. That is all Sony's fault. The current number of AAs and AAAs on the 360 as compared to the PS3 doesn't lie, and for gamers should be the only numbers that matter.

I didn't even read the OP because all your threads are the same fanboy babble but yes technically the PS3 IS more powerful than the X360. Its evident in upcoming games.Liquid-GEAR

[QUOTE="horgen123"][QUOTE="accameron"][QUOTE="jdang307"][QUOTE="accameron"]

The 360 is still getting superior multi-plats, the true measure between the power of consoles. Cows are rejoicing that the PS3 version of COD4 is EQUAL to the 360.

accameron

Mark Rein says UE3 runs better on PS3. Watchout, your feelings might get hurt.

No, this is one of several EXCEPTIONS to this rule. If the PS3 were as powerful as Sony stated, it would always have equal or better multi-plats. It doesn't. The reason I even said the COD4 part is that this is only one of the FEW multi-plats that are even close to equal, and you can bet that a LOT of dev extra TLC went into making COD4 equal to the 360 version.

But how long, and at what expense will this happen? Devs have already been trying for a long time to make the best games possible on the PS3, and are falling on their faces. THese same devs also just happen to be professionals that are at the top of their trade- if they can't do it, no one can.

Face it, the PS3 might have blu-ray, and might have some impressive tech (which I have read several times is largely related to blu-ray playback), but saying that it is more powerful than the 360 is just crap. And even if it was more powerful, if devs can't utilize that power, it is useless. Either way, the 360 wins.

Also, saying that devs will "figure out the cell" in 2009 will be TOO LATE. Sorry for your poor console investment choices, guys.

[QUOTE="accameron"]

The 360 is still getting superior multi-plats, the true measure between the power of consoles. Cows are rejoicing that the PS3 version of COD4 is EQUAL to the 360.

jdang307

Mark Rein says UE3 runs better on PS3. Watchout, your feelings might get hurt.

Exactly but I doubt any xbots will hear you. You do know they have partially to full on hearing loss due to 10-16 year olds yelling in their earseverytime they are on live. I'm glad I got off live before it messed my head up too. LOL

I didn't even read the OP because all your threads are the same fanboy babble but yes technically the PS3 IS more powerful than the X360. Its evident in upcoming games.Liquid-GEAR

Please state which upcoming games cannot be done on the 360. Thanks!

My burgers taste better and are indeed healthier when cooked on the PS3 !

So it is a better more powerful grill - IMHO.

As for V.G. power - 360 wins as of today !

My burgers taste better and are indeed healthier when cooked on the PS3 !

So it is a better more powerful grill - IMHO.

As for V.G. power - 360 wins as of today !

SecretPolice

looking at it from a games perspective, its really all up in the air at the mo imho. when it comes to something like folding at home, the PS3 give high end PCS a bloody nose (though there are some elements of folding that PCs do better due to a more flexible CPU design)...cell was built for number crunching and thats what it loves doing. so for things like HD video decoding, folding, some server tasks...cell would be in its element.

bur for games there are serious question marks. cell can certianly do one thing very well, as has been demonstrated. want ray tracing, itll do it quite well. want seriously complex animations, sure NP. where the question comes in though is multitasking. being able to do one thing at a time well...not very good for games. how would cell cope of it was asked to do complex ai, run game logic, render some graphics, calcualte physics all at the same time? so far it (along with the rest of the system of course) has produced some very nice results, like heavenly sword. however, nice as it looks, it also looks like it could run on a 360.

the ram layout of the PS3 also has some strong points but also some problems. the 256MB of XDR ram is very very fast stuff, much fater than the 360s. the PS3 then has a seperate 256MB memory bank of (i think) GDDR3 ram which is also very fast. if devs can keep the graphics in the right place and everything else in the right place then there isnt a problem. however that is very inflexible. now (as i understand it anyway) the GPU can access the Cells memory (the XDR stuff) and use that as extra memory for the GPU. however the downside is that it has to go though the cell to do it, and that causes a performance hit. the 360 doesent have that problem, the devs can designate the ram to whatever task they see fit with no performance hit. of course the downside of the 360s ram is its slower overall.

when it comes to GPUs, the 360 does look like it has the advantage. the design of the ati chip is a far more efficent one, the 360 can theoretically have 48 pixel and vertex shaders (though that wont ever actually happen). due to its design, it also means that the GPU will be firing on more cylinders compared to the PS3s GPU. thats not to say that the PS3s is a piece of crap mind, its basically a geforce 7900 which is still considered a good performer. however the PS3 does have the cell, which is designed to behave a bit more like a GPU also. the 360s 6 threaded processor can render its fair share of graphics to assist the GPU, but its more of a general purpose CPU compared to the cell. put them side by side in a graphics rendering test and the cell would come out on top.

so in the end...its all fuzzy. one dev put it best though imho. it went something like "There both baiscally the same in terms of performance. the PS3 has some big strengths over the 360 but it also has some major weaknesses so in the end, there about the same".

my official line though is wait for team ico. they performed miracles on the PS2, if they cant make a game that would look impossible to do on the 360 then both systems are roughy the same in games performance.

If the 360 was more powerful, as you say it is, the PS3 would be incapable of catching up at all.

Just so I'm clear, in your world you ignore actual hardware specs and judge the power of a piece of hardware by your perception of how a multi-plat looks?

lol what proof do you have that it is not.

ports will be ports, you can not say a 360 game made from that arcteckture then port to ps 3 makes the 360 more powerful.

i guess i can say that the ps 3 is more powerful because burnout Paradise looks better on the ps 3 than the 360 version because the ps 3 is the lead platform.

[QUOTE="SecretPolice"]

My burgers taste better and are indeed healthier when cooked on the PS3 !

So it is a better more powerful grill - IMHO.

As for V.G. power - 360 wins as of today !

horgen123

[QUOTE="ByLaw1"]

This gen actually started in late 2005 with the launch of the 360. Just a minor error - it actually bolsters your point.

The counterargument, however, is that at PS3 launch, the PS3 versions of multiplats were significantly worse than the 360 versions. Several months after that, they had improved but were still worse. Now, with CoD4 and Assassins Creed, it looks like they're about on par. Hence, you could argue that the developers have slowly been figuring out the architecture. The PS3's curve of improvement may then cross the 360s, and PS3 versions could start getting better. This has yet to be seen, and I am not claiming that this will be the case - just that the argument could be made. It's certainly not the 120FPS and 4d we were promised, but the day may come when they are actually better, though it's doubtful that the improvement would be very significant.

accameron

I see what you are saying, but the fact remains that the only multi-plats to achieve even close to parity with the 360 versions are the major, hyped, big budget titles. The ones that have millions spent on them. You can say that this means that the PS3 devs are improving, but at a HUGE cost. And there really is still only a handful of PS3 games that are anywhere close to the 360 version. And by handful, I mean 5 or so.

Yes, I honestly believe the PS3 is more powerful than the 360.