Do PS3 exclusives really require blu-ray or was it marketing BS all along?

PC games dont come on Blu-Ray disc either, and I dont think youll ever find a 50 GB download on Steam. Its more marketing BS from Sony.

pelvist

You have dozens of multi plats that use 2 dvd's on 360 and 1 bd on ps3. DCUO would take 3 dvd's. Final fantasy 13 has 4 times higher resolution cinematics and much better lossless sound compared to 360 because of Bluray, and it was still 2 dvd's on the 360. Just because no games utilize the full 50 gb doesn't mean it's being wasted, at least you have no games with disk swapping.

There are a small number of games that are on one disk vs multiple disks. There is also better audio available on many PS3; unfortunately, only a small % of system owners actually have the 7.1 sound system needed to take full advantage. That is about it.

Games are not longer, nor are they better, nor are they better looking because of BluRay. It is storage that is all. Nice to have. Not necessary. Hampered/undercut by the sloooooowww BD drive used in the PS3. Which then increases the size of the game in bytes, which is mistakenly believed to mean that more bytes equals more game/content, when in reality more bytes just means less compression and more redundant data.

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SkaRy_RuLeZ

20 DL-DVDs = 170GB.

So at around 32GB for MGS4, you are looking at four DVDs, including all the duplicates that would be buffing up its file size. Now factor in that the games linear design would not be a problem for disk swapping, and that swapping a disk is considerably faster than the mandatory installs that PS3 gamers went through with MGS4.

Of course, that's just a joke image; and I probably shouldn't be looking at it in such depth.

[QUOTE="FIipMode"]What Ps3 games have you seen on a portable?alexfla

Uncharted was shown as tech demo for the NGP but MGS4 is not portable. MGS peacewalker and the 3Ds version of MGS 3 are portable MGS games however.

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[QUOTE="FIipMode"]What Ps3 games have you seen on a portable?Silent_Ninja87

Uncharted was shown as tech demo for the NGP but MGS4 is not portable. MGS peacewalker and the 3Ds version of MGS 3 are portable MGS games however.

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MGS4 and Uncharted.

windsquid9000

Uncharted was shown as tech demo for the NGP but MGS4 is not portable. MGS peacewalker and the 3Ds version of MGS 3 are portable MGS games however.

Off topic you'v got an awesome sig

PC games are using DVD and they look better than PS3 games so anybody that says games these days require blu-ray arent fooling anybody.

Yes and no. Most of the extra space on the Blu-Ray is generally eaten up by uncompressed audio(sounds hawt on surround sound)

PC games are using DVD and they look better than PS3 games so anybody that says games these days require blu-ray arent fooling anybody.

Miketheman83

It's all but needed for uncompressed audio. The 8.5gigs on standard DVDs fill up quick.

If you take into account the size of PS3 iso's then there really is only handfull of games that utilise the extra space available on the blu-ray format. Most PS3 iso's come in at around the 6-13GB mark, so no, for the most part ps3 exclusive games do not require blu-ray.

PC games are using DVD and they look better than PS3 games so anybody that says games these days require blu-ray arent fooling anybody.

Miketheman83

Yes and no. Most of the extra space on the Blu-Ray is generally eaten up by uncompressed audio(sounds hawt on surround sound)

Upparoom

considering most pc games are around 7 -15gb blu ray is useful but not required and ram is the biggest limitation this gen. disk space is useless if you have no ram to load it into. imprezawrx500

[QUOTE="FIipMode"]What Ps3 games have you seen on a portable?alexfla

you saw a CUTSCENE of mgs4. not the actual game. its called a tech demo. the real game is 50gb and i don't think that they make memory sticks that big. as for uncharted, again. you didn't see uncharted 1 or 2. it has the graphics, but you don't know anything else. also, i don't think uncharted is one of the ps3 games that takes up a lot of memory on the disk. blu-ray has nothing to do with graphics. it is only about disk space and audio. it allows for more so that there is no compression needed.

PC games are using DVD and they look better than PS3 games so anybody that says games these days require blu-ray arent fooling anybody.

Miketheman83

so for some reason you think storage = graphics. wow you really need to get your facts straight

Who cares? How is more storage space a bad thing? I just don't get blu ray hate.Deathtransit

killzone 3 has 40 gigs of data which can only be accomplished with a blu ray, mgs4 i blelive has 24 gigs of data which can only be accomplished on blu ray.

it would take 3-4 disks from 360 to match that data, which is why i feel alot of 360 exclusives feel underwhelming and incomplete. (gears of war, crackdown, alan wake, halo)

right4dead

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killzone 3 has 40 gigs of data which can only be accomplished with a blu ray, mgs4 i blelive has 24 gigs of data which can only be accomplished on blu ray.

it would take 3-4 disks from 360 to match that data, which is why i feel alot of 360 exclusives feel underwhelming and incomplete. (gears of war, crackdown, alan wake, halo)

imprezawrx500

Pretty much sony bs, bc2 a game that looks amazing on pc 7 gb, crysis 7 gb, brand new pc game 7-10 gb, with the exception of total war and open world, just cause 2 7 gb

Until games are 7 plus gb always there currently is no need for blueray. When we start have 16 x blue ray players and 20 gb games across the board then yes it may be usefull

James161324

I'm sure JC2 was a 12GB download or more from Steam, and as was Mass Effect 2. Also why 16x blu ray players? I mean as it is, 12x blu ray players can transfer 54MB per second of data, compared to 24x of DVD which can only transfer speed of up to 33MB per second.

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[QUOTE="FIipMode"]What Ps3 games have you seen on a portable?FIipMode

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killzone 3 has 40 gigs of data which can only be accomplished with a blu ray, mgs4 i blelive has 24 gigs of data which can only be accomplished on blu ray.

it would take 3-4 disks from 360 to match that data, which is why i feel alot of 360 exclusives feel underwhelming and incomplete. (gears of war, crackdown, alan wake, halo)

F1ame_Shie1d

so how big is gta4 on ps3? if it is more than 15gb it will show that they only use the space to duplicate stuff to make up for the slow read times. Optical media for running games has died on pc and it is time it dies on consoles too considering most ps3 games install part of the game anyway. There is no point in using slow optical drives to run you game when you have fast hdds bigger than anything in a consoles for under $50imprezawrx500

[QUOTE="imprezawrx500"]so how big is gta4 on ps3? if it is more than 15gb it will show that they only use the space to duplicate stuff to make up for the slow read times. Optical media for running games has died on pc and it is time it dies on consoles too considering most ps3 games install part of the game anyway. There is no point in using slow optical drives to run you game when you have fast hdds bigger than anything in a consoles for under $50antifanboyftw

I never understood the urge of Lemmings to champion dvd which is inferior, just because their fanboi choice of medium is implemented on their console of fanboi choice.

7/10 alexfla 7/10...not your best but still funny.

All you need to know.... 1 game FINAL FANTASY 13 PS3 it was 1 disk, HD resolution, HD sound 360 it was 3 disks, Lower resolution, not as HQ sound point is Blu ray discs are better, end of discussion and another fact is that Blu Ray is almost finished.... HVDs (Holographic Versatile Disc) are coming out soonishmejiseike

I'm pretty certain Holographic discs are not going to be the norm for another decade,

A lot of bragging by cows about blu-ray for years now. They claim the 360 games are gimped because they are stuck with only DVD. Well, my question is, if blu-ray is needed to run PS3 exclusives, then how will they ever be ported to their portable?

If PS3 games can be run by a portable then this is definitive proof that blu-ray is just a format that's good for playing HD movies and does nothing for gaming.

alexfla

Please take a look how large games like GoW 3, Heavy Rain, MGS4, Killzone 3, LBP2, FF13, GT5 and many more are. Little hint. much above 10 GB.

PC games dont come on Blu-Ray disc either, and I dont think youll ever find a 50 GB download on Steam. Its more marketing BS from Sony.

pelvist

You do know that DVD drives were available for PC's in the late 90's, yet most PC games were still on CD up until a few years ago.

And you don't find 50GB steam downloads because it would take forever to download, would take up too much HD space, and the games are also delivered on DVD therefore steam download size is the same. On PS3(with the exception of a few games that have sizeable installs) you can have a 50GB game with no install so HD space is not an issue. Also GOW3 is 35GB with NO CGI so that whole "CGI takes up all the space" arguement is history.

Maybe you should ask John Carmack what he thinks about Bluray?

Anyways, another anti-bluray campaign shot down in flames. There'll probably be another one tomorrow:P

Games size's

Assassins Creed 2 5.2 gigs

Battlefield Bad Company 24.9 gigs

Bayonetta6.8 gigs

Boarderlands3.3 gigs

Casltevania LOS12.8 gigs

Dragon Age origins6.4 gigs

Fable 36.6 gigs

Gears 26.3 gigs

GTA 46.4 gigs

Red Dead Redemption6.7 gigs

Just Cause 24.1 gigs

Mass Effect 212 gigs

Two Worlds 24.7 gigs

PS3 exclusives

Uncharted 225 gigs

Killzone 345gigs

MGSsuppose to have max out Blu-ray 50gigs

GOW335 gigs

I don't know but I'm inclined to think it just marketing BS for Blu-ray

[QUOTE="mejiseike"]All you need to know.... 1 game FINAL FANTASY 13 PS3 it was 1 disk, HD resolution, HD sound 360 it was 3 disks, Lower resolution, not as HQ sound point is Blu ray discs are better, end of discussion and another fact is that Blu Ray is almost finished.... HVDs (Holographic Versatile Disc) are coming out soonishimprezawrx500

You have a good point, but there is a good workaround to this which several devs have used, Uncharted is a good example.

It's using the HD as a large cache for data. Uncharted does not have a permanant install, but during gameplay it buffers upcoming data to the HD so that it has quick access to it when needed. As you move through the game, the engine decides what data will be needed soon and copies it from the Bluray to the HD and it also discards data it no longer needs. It's constantly writing and deleting data just like a page file on a PC.

This is a major reason Sony wanted HD's as standard in PS3, unlike 360 where it is optional and therefore games are not desinged to do this(btw this is very different from the option to install a game to the HD which is for the purpose of speeding up load times).

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This again?? :|

alexfla

I've always understood that most of the space used on blu-ray is taken up with loss less audio, and multiple copies of the game that make up for the slowness of the BD drive in the PS3. More than likely most of the exclusives on the PS3 could fit on 1-2 DVD discs.

Most games fits on one DVD if the developers work and plan hard enough, with how much compression to use, what they would have to remove, how many different areas they can have, how much dialog they can have, and how long the game can be. The X360 has been maxing the DVD for a long time, so the devs have been very good at this planning. They want to add this, well, then they'll have to remove or compress that.

On the PS3 however, the developers working on a PS3 exclusive would'nt have as much to be concerned about when making a game, they know that no matter what, they're game will fit on one disc.

They can have alot more varied textures in the games, alot of different environments without using the same assets over and over, and tons of dialog and sound effects in high bitrate.