Do You Feel You Get a Truly "Next-Gen" Experience Without HD??

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#1 MikeE21286
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#2 TNT_Slug
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Next Gen = Dumb buzz word that has become meaningless. HDTV: Only in 5% of American households. Gaming isn't about to be dependant on HD just yet.
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#3 hellzhitman
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    I certainly enjoy my Xbox 360 on my monitor more so than on a 480i 30'' Panasonic :/
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#4 cobrax80
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next-gen simply means the next consoles after the current one so yes.
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#5 Thug_Pikachu
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hell no /thread
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#6 The_Game21x
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I do. I game on an SDTV and the games are still great looking and fun.
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#7 karicha9
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People that feel that you need HD to truly experience "next gen" are falling for the marketing ploy.
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#8 ramey70
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Actually, about 17% of households as of October of 2006 had HDTV's.  It's probably higher now after the holidays and the Super Bowl.


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#9 deadmeat59
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hd looks great for movies but not for games hd takes away from gameplay cus companys put all there money into how the game looks not how it plays look at call of duty 3 only 8 hours of game play. m player has much smaller maps then the older ones
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#10 AdrenalinDragon
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Yep. I'm playing my 360 on a 7 year old TV and I still get the next gen experience. Don't need a HDTV to enjoy my consoles.

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#11 Telekill
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I dont have an HDTV and own a PS3 and I love it. Resolution is a nice to have, but it's the gameplay that counts. I think PS3 is definitly a Next Gen experience even without an HDTV. As for the one who stated that "Next Gen" has become meaningless.... I disagree. I think the term HD is closer to meaningless in games than the term Next Gen. Next Gen refers to the next or new generation of systems. Because all the "next gen" systems are out (PS3, 360, Wii) it is now the Current Gen or New Gen. PS2, Xbox and Gamecube are Last Gen. PS4, Xbox 720 and Wii 2 are now Next Gen. At least, thats how I see it.
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#12 ramey70
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People that feel that you need HD to truly experience "next gen" are falling for the marketing ploy.karicha9
You'd have hard time convincing my eyes that they are seeing a "marketing ploy" on my 56" 1080p HDTV.
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#13 Fr3357YL3
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Graphics aren't everything. I'm playing my PS3 & 360 on my Sony sdtv and am enjoying the hell out of both of them.
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[QUOTE="karicha9"]People that feel that you need HD to truly experience "next gen" are falling for the marketing ploy.ramey70
You'd have hard time convincing my eyes that they are seeing a "marketing ploy" on my 56" 1080p HDTV.

Yet most games are 720p, correct?

I mean, really, the small difference you observe is not really that important to a game.
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#15 The_Game21x
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"Next gen" is just a phrase made to describe a new batch of consoles. It's not a hardware or gameplay standard that a console has to live up to.

Read up and enjoy. :)

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[QUOTE="ramey70"][QUOTE="karicha9"]People that feel that you need HD to truly experience "next gen" are falling for the marketing ploy.karicha9
You'd have hard time convincing my eyes that they are seeing a "marketing ploy" on my 56" 1080p HDTV.

Yet most games are 720p, correct?

I mean, really, the small difference you observe is not really that important to a game.

Again I disagree. The first time I played Resistance, which was an average at best shooter, was on an SDTV. When I purchased my HDTV I popped in Resistance just to see the difference. I ended up spending all weekend playing it from start to finish all over again just to enjoy the HD visuals. Quite simply, it was like a whole new game and I thoroughly enjoyed it more the second time around.
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#17 MikeE21286
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I don't know....I've played 360 and PS3 both with and w/o HDTV and I can say I enjoy them much much more on HDTV.
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#18 BuryMe
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i'm very happy without HD
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#19 michaelareb0001
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I feel gaming should incorperate every technology that is available. Since consoles only come out every 5 years or so, they can't possibly utilize everything.

In 1994, 3D graphics were possible and secondly CDs were the standard for media.

In 2000, DVDs were rapidly becoming the standard and media playback capablities were expected in consoles.

In 2002, online was rapidly becoming more and more important to gaming

In 2005, HD was set to become the next big thing in home entertainment.

As always some consoles chose to neglect certain trends for others, but you have to admit, CDs killed the cartridge. DVD's played a huge roll in the sucess of the PS2. Online help the xbox build a fan base. And just about everything is going HD now. Seems to me, a next gen console should have HD capabilities. Wether or not it has advanced shaders, HDR capabilites, anext gen movie discdrive, or a motion sensing control is not really that important when you get down to it. But I think anything less than 720p is old news.  

I have a hard time playing 480i games after spending so much time with HD progressive signals. It makes my eyes hurt, and sometimes I get a little nauseous.

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#20 Grodus5
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Darn, misread the question, voted no.  I get a very nice next gen feeling playing my Wii that, oh, is completly unique.  Unlike your graphic dependent systems.
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#22 Nagidar
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Hmm, good question, I have 5 HDTV's so its hard to answer this question, I played my 360 on a SDTV once and it wasn't that bad, there is a BIG difference in clarity between SD and HD though.
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#23 mofaxfosho
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lol@people without hdtvs
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#24 DA_B0MB
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IMO no. For reasons I do not feel like elaborating on.
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#25 hellzhitman
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[QUOTE="ramey70"]Again I disagree. The first time I played Resistance, which was an average at best shooter, was on an SDTV. When I purchased my HDTV I popped in Resistance just to see the difference. I ended up spending all weekend playing it from start to finish all over again just to enjoy the HD visuals. Quite simply, it was like a whole new game and I thoroughly enjoyed it more the second time around.karicha9
Then you are simply a graphics whore and you might as well just watch a movie.

That is not true at ALL. The experience can be a lot worse if you can't stand the low resolution and it just makes thinks hard to see.
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#26 TNT_Slug
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lol@people without hdtvsmofaxfosho
They're a luxury item. I want my gaming to be as inexpensive as possible and not depend on luxuries, thank you.
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#27 Nagidar
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[QUOTE="mofaxfosho"]lol@people without hdtvsTNT_Slug
They're a luxury item. I want my gaming to be as inexpensive as possible and not depend on luxuries, thank you.

 They won't be luxury anymore when HD becomes the "standard", besides, some decent HDTV's can be found fairly cheap.

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I had a LAN Party recently, people brought TVs some HD some SD. I have a 42" 1080p LCD and before that a 36" 1080i. So I haven't played the 360 in SD at all.

All I can say is that you DON'T experience a BIG PART of "next gen" on a SDTV. The diffrence in GeOW in 1080p and 480i is STAGGERING!

I will admit that gameplay/physics/AI are other a BIGGER PARTs of "next gen" as well, that's why I have a Wii and it's just as "next gen" as the 360 even in 480p.

So yes you are missing part of the next gen experience on SDTV, but it's only part not everything AND there are other more important things to spend money on in life than HDTVs for gaming!
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All I can say is... My $1,400 purchase was well worth it. I can even use it as a massive PC monitor. :P

Killing 2 birds with 1 stone is nice.

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I don't own a HDtv, the only thing I would use an HDtv for is to watch Hockey in HD, because in HD for that sport it helps alot more to see stuff but you don't need an HDtv for anything else.
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#31 karicha9
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That is not true at ALL. The experience can be a lot worse if you can't stand the low resolution and it just makes thinks hard to see.hellzhitman
I suggest you stop playing on your 13" TV, then.  Seriously, you must be kidding me.  We didn't need HD before this gen, so we certainly don't "need" it now to see what's going on.
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#32 TNT_Slug
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[QUOTE="TNT_Slug"][QUOTE="mofaxfosho"]lol@people without hdtvsNagidar

They're a luxury item. I want my gaming to be as inexpensive as possible and not depend on luxuries, thank you.

 They won't be luxury anymore when HD becomes the "standard", besides, some decent HDTV's can be found fairly cheap.

And how many years will be until that? Did you know that the number of DVD players just surpassed the number of VHS players in the U.S. only very recently? Yes, HDTV will become the new standard someday... But until then, I'll pass on it.
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[QUOTE="Nagidar"]

[QUOTE="TNT_Slug"][QUOTE="mofaxfosho"]lol@people without hdtvsTNT_Slug

They're a luxury item. I want my gaming to be as inexpensive as possible and not depend on luxuries, thank you.

 They won't be luxury anymore when HD becomes the "standard", besides, some decent HDTV's can be found fairly cheap.

And how many years will be until that? Did you know that the number of DVD players just surpassed the number of VHS players in the U.S. very recently? Yes, HDTV will become the new standard someday... Until then, I'll pass on it.

 Hey man, I was just making a point, its your loss, not mine, have fun.

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#34 hellzhitman
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[QUOTE="hellzhitman"]That is not true at ALL. The experience can be a lot worse if you can't stand the low resolution and it just makes thinks hard to see.karicha9
I suggest you stop playing on your 13" TV, then. Seriously, you must be kidding me. We didn't need HD before this gen, so we certainly don't "need" it now to see what's going on.

My 13 inch tv? I play on a 30'' panasonic and a 20 inch monitor for my 360 games. Once you're a PC gamer and use to high definition, you can't get over it.
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#35 Kronos6
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I personally feel that the HD movement is a bit late....

Seriously its kind of pathetic that we are still playing games at 300-400 lines of resolution while the pc has been doing hi-res since the 80's.  It took a long time for television to catch up.  Playing a ps3/360 game in HD is the equivalent to PC gamers playing quake 3 many years ago on hi-res.  Anyone against the HD movement is against progression.
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[QUOTE="karicha9"][QUOTE="hellzhitman"]That is not true at ALL. The experience can be a lot worse if you can't stand the low resolution and it just makes thinks hard to see.hellzhitman
I suggest you stop playing on your 13" TV, then. Seriously, you must be kidding me. We didn't need HD before this gen, so we certainly don't "need" it now to see what's going on.

My 13 inch tv? I play on a 30'' panasonic and a 20 inch monitor for my 360 games. Once you're a PC gamer and use to high definition, you can't get over it.



thank you....

Once your used to playing games at high -res its kinda pathetic to look at a console on a tv screen on low res...especially after so many years of Pc gaming @ hi -res
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[QUOTE="karicha9"][QUOTE="hellzhitman"]That is not true at ALL. The experience can be a lot worse if you can't stand the low resolution and it just makes thinks hard to see.hellzhitman
I suggest you stop playing on your 13" TV, then. Seriously, you must be kidding me. We didn't need HD before this gen, so we certainly don't "need" it now to see what's going on.

My 13 inch tv? I play on a 30'' panasonic and a 20 inch monitor for my 360 games. Once you're a PC gamer and use to high definition, you can't get over it.

Which again just points to graphics whoreitis.  I'd prefer a big screen to HD anyday.  I have no problem seeing things in SD and never have.  You people act like HD is some kind of savior to your eyes.  Let's face it, though.  Hitch on HD is still....well...Hitch.
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#38 hellzhitman
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[QUOTE="hellzhitman"][QUOTE="karicha9"][QUOTE="hellzhitman"]That is not true at ALL. The experience can be a lot worse if you can't stand the low resolution and it just makes thinks hard to see.Kronos6
I suggest you stop playing on your 13" TV, then. Seriously, you must be kidding me. We didn't need HD before this gen, so we certainly don't "need" it now to see what's going on.

My 13 inch tv? I play on a 30'' panasonic and a 20 inch monitor for my 360 games. Once you're a PC gamer and use to high definition, you can't get over it.



thank you....

Once your used to playing games at high -res its kinda pathetic to look at a console on a tv screen on low res...especially after so many years of Pc gaming @ hi -res

Exactly my point, and why many Nintendo fans( no offense) who are only Nintendo gamers won't understand. It's ignorance not fanboyism. You can't want something you have never had or experienced.
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[QUOTE="hellzhitman"][QUOTE="karicha9"][QUOTE="hellzhitman"]That is not true at ALL. The experience can be a lot worse if you can't stand the low resolution and it just makes thinks hard to see.karicha9
I suggest you stop playing on your 13" TV, then. Seriously, you must be kidding me. We didn't need HD before this gen, so we certainly don't "need" it now to see what's going on.

My 13 inch tv? I play on a 30'' panasonic and a 20 inch monitor for my 360 games. Once you're a PC gamer and use to high definition, you can't get over it.

Which again just points to graphics whoreitis. I'd prefer a big screen to HD anyday. I have no problem seeing things in SD and never have. You people act like HD is some kind of savior to your eyes. Let's face it, though. Hitch on HD is still....well...Hitch.

Did I say that. Let me ask you? Do you own anything besides a Nintendo console? Just because I don't like looking at 10 year old resolution I don't want to go back to it.
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Did I say that. Let me ask you? Do you own anything besides a Nintendo console? Just because I don't like looking at 10 year old resolution I don't want to go back to it.hellzhitman
I thought you "needed" HD because you couldn't see things?  Now we see it's all about things looking prettier.
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#41 Kronos6
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[QUOTE="hellzhitman"][QUOTE="karicha9"][QUOTE="hellzhitman"]That is not true at ALL. The experience can be a lot worse if you can't stand the low resolution and it just makes thinks hard to see.karicha9
I suggest you stop playing on your 13" TV, then. Seriously, you must be kidding me. We didn't need HD before this gen, so we certainly don't "need" it now to see what's going on.

My 13 inch tv? I play on a 30'' panasonic and a 20 inch monitor for my 360 games. Once you're a PC gamer and use to high definition, you can't get over it.

Which again just points to graphics whoreitis. I'd prefer a big screen to HD anyday. I have no problem seeing things in SD and never have. You people act like HD is some kind of savior to your eyes. Let's face it, though. Hitch on HD is still....well...Hitch.



HD has more of an impact on gaming then it does to Movies

So comparing Hitch on SD and Hitch on HD is irrelevant to gaming.  There is a big difference.  Higher resolution means more accuracy available in control which is very important for FPS games.  It also allows more background detail.  In SD i cant tell if theres an enemy running in the distance as easily as i can in HD because of the available pixels to render the object from far away, also take into account that when games run in HD you see more of the available horizon so your field of vision is better.  I cant even go back to playing games in fullscreen...it pisses me off.  Even movies in fullscreen piss me off cause i can see the Pan and Scan at work.  I prefer to see things in the full version they were created for.
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#42 TNT_Slug
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I believe the precedent tells us that people in general don't care for graphics too much, and there was no need for this poll... The PS1 beat the N64 The PS2 beat the GC and Xbox The DS beat the PSP. What do all these consoles have in common? Worse graphics than the competition. I simply don't think the introduction of HDTVs change that, specially since they're a redundant feature (I already have a TV).
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#43 hellzhitman
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[QUOTE="hellzhitman"]Did I say that. Let me ask you? Do you own anything besides a Nintendo console? Just because I don't like looking at 10 year old resolution I don't want to go back to it.karicha9
I thought you "needed" HD because you couldn't see things? Now we see it's all about things looking prettier.

No, thats not what I said. You must be some die-hard Nintendo fan because I'm getting pissed off. Hd makes games better in the sense that they're more immersive and everything doesn't look like a 3 inch wide pixel on your screen. It's like a pair of good headphones. Once you try it, you notice things you never noticed before( this is for games that are made the right way). Besides, if you are a Nintendo fan I'd like to tell you there was no reason Nintendo couldn't have made it's resolution scalable like the Xbox and PS2 did...
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I believe the precedent tells us that people in general don't care for graphics too much, and there was no need for this poll...

The PS1 beat the N64 The PS2 beat the GC and Xbox The DS beat the PSP. What do all these consoles have in common? Worse graphics than the competition. I simply don't think the introduction of HDTVs change that, specially since they're a redundant feature (I already have a TV).TNT_Slug

The PS1 beat the N64 - Nintendo beat the N64, cartridges were not only more expensive than CD's, they held less information, bad move by Nintendo.

The PS2 beat the GC and Xbox - PS2 had no competition for over a year, it had a head start, the PS2's head start won last gen.

The DS beat the PSP. - The PSP was a portable PS2 instead of just a stand-alone handheld, it was pushed by SONY to be a multimedia handheld that backfired, UMD movies went to crap, that is what beat the PSP.

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Which again just points to graphics whoreitis.  I'd prefer a big screen to HD anyday.  I have no problem seeing things in SD and never have.  You people act like HD is some kind of savior to your eyes.  Let's face it, though.  Hitch on HD is still....well...Hitch.
karicha9

Well, it all boils down to this.

Which would you rather eat?

This?

Or this?

Essentially that's all SD and HD is, with the first one being SD and the second HD. They're basically the same thing (cheeseburgers) but the second looks (and probably tastes) a hell of a lot better.

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[QUOTE="TNT_Slug"]I believe the precedent tells us that people in general don't care for graphics too much, and there was no need for this poll...

The PS1 beat the N64 The PS2 beat the GC and Xbox The DS beat the PSP. What do all these consoles have in common? Worse graphics than the competition. I simply don't think the introduction of HDTVs change that, specially since they're a redundant feature (I already have a TV).Nagidar

The PS1 beat the N64 - Nintendo beat the N64, cartridges were not only more expensive than CD's, they held less information, bad move by Nintendo.

The PS2 beat the GC and Xbox - PS2 had no competition for over a year, it had a head start, the PS2's head start won last gen.

The DS beat the PSP. - The PSP was a portable PS2 instead of just a stand-alone handheld, it was pushed by SONY to be a multimedia handheld that backfired, UMD movies went to crap, that is what beat the PSP.

Are you supporting or rebutting my points? You just proved that the factors to decide a console war are not the graphics, which was my original point.
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Do you really need HD to enjoy your console?

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No, thats not what I said. You must be some die-hard Nintendo fan because I'm getting pissed off. Hd makes games better in the sense that they're more immersive and everything doesn't look like a 3 inch wide pixel on your screen. It's like a pair of good headphones. Once you try it, you notice things you never noticed before( this is for games that are made the right way). Besides, if you are a Nintendo fan I'd like to tell you there was no reason Nintendo couldn't have made it's resolution scalable like the Xbox and PS2 did...hellzhitman

Wait, so you didn't say this:
[QUOTE="hellzhitman"]That is not true at ALL. The experience can be a lot worse if you can't stand the low resolution and it just makes thinks hard to see.



Now it's not about things being hard to see?  You're still just talking about aesthetics.  I also find it interesting that you want to make this into a console issue.  Whatever console you like, you shouldn't be head over heels with HD.  It's not that big of a deal when it comes to gaming.
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Essentially that's all SD and HD is, with the first one being SD and the second HD. They're basically the same thing (cheeseburgers) but the second looks (and probably tastes) a hell of a lot better.

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Hyperbole much?

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[QUOTE="Nagidar"]

[QUOTE="TNT_Slug"]I believe the precedent tells us that people in general don't care for graphics too much, and there was no need for this poll...

The PS1 beat the N64 The PS2 beat the GC and Xbox The DS beat the PSP. What do all these consoles have in common? Worse graphics than the competition. I simply don't think the introduction of HDTVs change that, specially since they're a redundant feature (I already have a TV).TNT_Slug

The PS1 beat the N64 - Nintendo beat the N64, cartridges were not only more expensive than CD's, they held less information, bad move by Nintendo.

The PS2 beat the GC and Xbox - PS2 had no competition for over a year, it had a head start, the PS2's head start won last gen.

The DS beat the PSP. - The PSP was a portable PS2 instead of just a stand-alone handheld, it was pushed by SONY to be a multimedia handheld that backfired, UMD movies went to crap, that is what beat the PSP.

Are you supporting or rebutting my points? You just proved that the factors to decide a console war are not the graphics, which was my original point.

 No, what I'm saying is, there are other factors involved, if the Xbox was released along side the PS2 do you think the PS2 would have dominated? (Well, by that much anyways, we will never know what would have happened)