Do you think Doom 4 will be dumbed down?

Yes, but not at the level of console classics such as The Order and Ryse.

Like most games this gen then yes.

I am afraid but yes. I think it'll suffer from some bad modern design choices normally found in military shooters. I hope I'm wrong but I'm not so much hopeful. If Doom 4 is strictly old school and a big success then it may help end this modern military crap. I'm also looking forward to Serious Sam 4 and Shadow Warrior 2 (hopefully).

how can a Doom game get any simpler or dumbed down?

Considering the PC community will buy more copies of Doom 4, than all consoles combined. I think PC casual tastes have the most effect.

Shadow Warrior 2? Is that happening? Oh baby!

Errr... it's not confirmed. That's why I said "hopefully". But there is no reason why it won't happen because first one was success and they also released DX11/64bit version of it recently too.

All the mazes did was pad the games out with filler. I wouldn't consider making them a bit smaller dumbing down.

..none of which you can play. j/s

none of which i'd ever want to play.

If the question is "Will Doom 4 have as complex map designs as Doom 1 & 2", the answer would be "no". I think it might be better than Doom 3, though. Dumbed down in map design comparing it to the old games, smarted up compared to Doom 3. :P

i dont think so. apart from Rage ID has not made any bad game.

Quackcon preview indicate its not dumbed down instead its same old school fast paced game.

I hope it is like this:

-No health regen.

-No shields that regen.

-Mostly action, but can have some very scary moments peppered in.

-Big maps where you can get lost, almost no linearity. People should get lost.

-Terrifying enemies, not just in visuals but difficulty.

-Carry as many guns as you want.

-I don't mind grenades with their own throw button.

Rage is the only game they've made in 10 years.

Last year at Quakecon, people who saw the demo said that there was no Auto regen health. They saw player picking up armors. There is no weapon carrying limit. Gore system is inspired by Brutal Doom mod. Gameplay was fast paced. We'll see if that is still the case in this year's build and what about level design? That's another question. The bad thing was,,, they were playing with a controller.

I'd normally say yes, but Wolfenstein TNO shows that Bethesda isn't completly afraid of doing a non standart FPS.

I mean, ok, TNO isn't THAT different. But i does have non-recharging health, with an overdrive system, open level design with tons of pick ups, no need for ADS, leaning around corners, dual weilding, no multiplayer, etc.

I think Bethesda might surprise with DOOM4 feeling oldschool. It WILL have some degree of modern mechanics, like ADS (optional, probably), but Wolf leaves me hope.

As long as ID stays with the old school DOOM formula, then I don't see why DOOM 4 would be dumbed down.

it'll be a hollow shell

long hallways

back tracking

no intelligence needed very linear,

I think if it wasn't dumbed down it wouldn't sell. The pop crowd doesn't like to learn new things. It will also be designed around the controller which means the mouse hand will be bored alot.

See, none of this makes any sense to me. To fear Doom 4 is going to be dumbed down provides the implication that it is a series with complex gameplay. It's not. While both Doom I and II sported those sprawling maps, the level progression was still pretty linear at the end, consisting of nothing other than killing monsters, getting keys and pressing buttons or switches. There were also plenty of levels which were pretty narrow in design and just had a focal point on shooting shit.

So to believe that the series is going to be dumbed down when it's already pretty dumb is very funny, to say the least. And if Doom 3 is implied anything, if the game sucks it likely won't be because of console restrictions.

Only if you knew exactly what to do.

Which you didn't unless you cheated.

What you said also applies to every game in existance, no matter how non-linear.

They will insult our intelligence, yes. In exchange to please console plebs.

Well duh. The idea is to make the experience varied enough to not make it feel like you're just going from point A to point B, which is where Doom kinda stumbles at. You go from one room to the next doing the exact same shit as you did the last level and the level before that, and upon playing Doom II again very recently a lot of the levels tended to be needlessly big. The reason the game works is because of the action, the weapons and the overall chaos.

This is all besides the point at any case. If Doom IV is dumbed down, consoles aren't the blame. The developers are for making the design choices they decided to make.

Probably, but PC gamers will embrace it.

And with that, the death of gaming.

Woe.

Ah yes, the highly tactical Doom series is gonna get dumbed down next...

I'm loving the insults to console players you guys are dishing out. Actually it seems all PC gamers are savvy about is RPG elements. Hence why they like to call Bloodborne the worst souls game because it's not as robust as an RPG as the others. Yet it easily has the best melee combat, level design, and boss battles. But the latter elements were all bread with console games so none of you would actually have a clue what your talking about unless it's a gritty 90's FPS game.

That's why PC exclusives never really have good combat, and console exclusives like Bayonetta and Souls games define the medium with such things. As much as you like to shit on console games, in history, they have done a **** ton more for the industry than PC games ever did. You all like to act like PC is the reason for everything and is somehow why the industry is so strong. Yet without the PS4 and Xbox One, CDPR wouldn't have even funded a game on the scale of your beloved The Witcher 3.

You're all quick to judge consoles for being weaksauce and everything, but they are very much the reason for 99.9% of AAA games in existence good or bad.

Doom 1 and 2's level design isn't particularly good. The overhead maps make the levels look far more complex than they really are. Often they are just a maze that doesn't allow the action to flow well.

It's old and dated. The gameplay is also very simple. You can't even control the camera on the Y axis and have to rely on auto aiming. Nostalgia and elitism are the only things that drive people's memories of Doom.

The young people and the Mountain Dew critics (powered by Dorito Powder) praise Darksouls for it's dungeon design, but they are quick to forget Quake done this (and done it better) long before they existed.

Some people actually think games like Doom and Quake are primitive, which tells us they haven't played them, or they have played two levels on easy - proclaimed to have experienced it.

Real gamers, with muscles and fortitude like a tank from DnD, have played these games all the way through on the second most difficult setting - experiencing first hand, masterpieces.

DOOM was never a series that relied on twitch shooting nor one that needed the utmost precision to be fun. I don't think them using a controller is a big deal if the other stuff you said is true.

HP regen, limited weapons, linear maps, auto-aim, QTEs. See: Modern console shooters.

True, but it was pretty fast paced and hectic after the first few levels....more than what would be acceptable on a console. But not by much.

wasn't this just locked for being a troll thread that was wasting everyone's time?

Very annoying both emotionally, physically and spiritually when people attempt to equate "big" levels like Far Cry 4 with ID's early games. These games, while large, do not have the complex craftsmanship of ID's height.

In having attempting to emulate that style of gameplay, ID betrayed and ignored one of there core strengths in order to appease a modern audience.

That first map cup linked was pretty awesome, that brought back some good ole gaming memories.

You haven't played them, as you're not a real gamer, so how can you come from an informed opinion?

We'll just have to wait and see...........

Do you think TC will ever stop making bad threads?

were Doom games ever made for the sophisticated players? Because from my point of view this series has always been classic dudebro games.

doom 1 and 2 were hardcore as fk unless you were using cheats or something

i remember being scared and getting lost all the time in those games

i don't think i get lost at all during the current crop of FPS games not once i feel fine playing those

doom was like holy crap where do i go what key do i need its super hardcore its super uncasual friendly unlike todays shooters

so it sounds like Doom isn't your kind of game

nope. jankarop/sniper/uninspiredcup will keep doing the same shit. Wish mods would take action.

@ProtossX: I beat Doom 1 and 2 on my iPod Touch. They were simple enough that you only needed 5 total controls to play the whole game.

Games are both pretty simple and casual by today's standards.

The original Doom's gameplay is simple, and it's levels are dreadfully boring repetitive mazes. If the "every game made in the past 10 [sometimes 20] years is SHIT" crowd want, they can replay old Doom games. I hope the new one has improved level design. I'm not wandering endless identical looking corridors anymore. Life's too short.

How the F do you "dumb down" Doom?

I just hope they don't dumb the story: marine kills stuff till he runs out of stuff to kill. The End.

Reduce the player to two weapons, remove resource management (weapon priority), slow the speed down, reduce enemy count, give the player a direction indicator, implement quick time events, implement invisible walls, implement checkpoints, allow the player to re-spawn, implement chest high walls, remove exploration elements such as secrets items and secret levels.

Remove the possibility a player could be confused, removed key hunting, use flashy "go here" indicators. Have the player walk in a straight line for 4 hours so he can get the multiplayer quicker, in order to sell cheaply made DLC.

Speaking as a hardcore pc gamer and former professional Quake 3 player, even Serous Sam, a game which essentially consists of very large maps and enemy spawns, it's more engaging than console built FPS. On the hardest difficulty (mental) the player must prioritize over overwhelming odds.

Being engaged creates fun. Sadly, it also impedes sales. Serous Sam is a niche game for hardcore people who have gamed for many years, bitter at what gaming has become, a place of solace in which our kind can commune.

I think it will most likely follow the example of Wolfenstein New Order.