Do you think M$ should stop trying in Japan?

we all know M$ failed miserably in Japan with Xbox 1, and now with Xbox360 also. they tried to get japanese licenses such as Blue Dragon, Dead or Alive, Ridge Racer, etc.. and we all know that Japanese aren't particularly fond of Western shooters and RPG, which Xbox360 is abundant of.

so should M$ pull the plug out of Japan and focus on other more important markets like Europe, or try to spend more time and money on fixing the Ring of Death problems?

Not pull out but definitely lower focus there.

It's going to be a tough battle for them when Wii picks up its DQ title and PS3 gets FFXIII. 

M$ should stop with xbox.

M$ should stop with xbox.

Hir0_N

It sold better in Japan than the 360 does

If the 360 failed in Japan, what do you think about the PS3 ?

Take a look at the software sales last week for example.

http://www.vgchartz.com/japweekly.php

Japanese Chart for Week Ending 27th May 2007 

Software Totals: 

360 = 20,005  - Total =  1,310,161

PS3 = 5,404 - Total =   1,195,052 

[QUOTE="Hir0_N"]

M$ should stop with xbox.

HarlockJC

It sold better in Japan than the 360 does

Well ovbiously. But i was talking about the Xbox franchise as a whole.

If the 360 failed in Japan, what do you think about the PS3 ?

Take a look at the software sales last week for example.

 

http://www.vgchartz.com/japweekly.php

 

Japanese Chart for Week Ending 27th May 2007

Software Totals:

360 = 20,005 - Total = 1,310,161

PS3 = 5,404 - Total = 1,195,052

Forza_2

OUCH! 

[QUOTE="Forza_2"]

If the 360 failed in Japan, what do you think about the PS3 ?

Take a look at the software sales last week for example.

 

http://www.vgchartz.com/japweekly.php

 

Japanese Chart for Week Ending 27th May 2007

Software Totals:

360 = 20,005 - Total = 1,310,161

PS3 = 5,404 - Total = 1,195,052

DoctorBunny

OUCH! 

PS 3 isn't selling well too, but its not like Sony has tried to break into a market that nobody wants to support them...

I don't think Japan deserves to have Xbox anymore.

Let us enjoy competative online gaming and let them have their crap. 

If the 360 failed in Japan, what do you think about the PS3 ?

Take a look at the software sales last week for example.

 

http://www.vgchartz.com/japweekly.php

 

Japanese Chart for Week Ending 27th May 2007 

Software Totals: 

360 = 20,005  - Total =  1,310,161

PS3 = 5,404 - Total =   1,195,052 

Forza_2

That not a lot more software for being out for over a year longer, the PS3 has out sold the 360 in hardware by almost 3 to 1 in Japan.

PS 3 isn't selling well too, but its not like Sony has tried to break into a market that nobody wants to support them...

Game13a13y

So, you're basically saying that it's ok for Sony to sell like crap but when it's Microsoft they should stop trying ?

:| 

I want my JRPGs without having to rebuy a PS3. And no I will not buy Opoona.Vandalvideo

But how are you going to make it work on your 360 ? PS3 would be the ideal console to import games since it's region free.

Sadly, the way things are going in Japan I see all the games going to the Wii.. 

[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"]I want my JRPGs without having to rebuy a PS3. And no I will not buy Opoona.Forza_2

But how are you going to make it work on your 360 ? PS3 would be the ideal console to import games since it's region free.

Sadly, the way things are going in Japan I see all the games going to the Wii.. 

I want my JRPGs without having to rebuy a PS3. And no I will not buy Opoona.Vandalvideo

rebuy a PS3? did you have one and sell it and I can understand your love for JRPGs....Right now I am playing Baten Kaitos which is amazing

[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"]I want my JRPGs without having to rebuy a PS3. And no I will not buy Opoona.HarlockJC

rebuy a PS3? did you have one and sell it and I can understand your love for JRPGs....Right now I am playing Baten Kaitos which is amazing

Some of the 3rd party companies are upset because they say M$ is not even trying their....They want to see M$ put more into adds in JapanHarlockJC

It doesnt matter if you advertise there or not. I rarely see ads for the Wii yet its still sold out around here, there are far more ads for 360 games or PSP titles then there are Wii and PS3 ads. Obviously the 360 is failing because the Japanese doesnt like the fact that the 360 is a casual console with very few games for the hardcore audience, most people know that a lot of Japanese made games are the hardcore franchises like MGS, DMC, FF, DQ and a lot of Nintendo franchises. Just look at the 360 lineup of games present and in the near future, there is hardly anything that will appeal to the Japanese market, hence why the 360 is basically like a fish out of water, its quickly dieing out.

Not sure what you mean? The better the 360 sales in Japan, the more japanese developer support. The more japanese developer support, the larger the chance JRPGs will be translated and brought over.Vandalvideo

If there's an option to play with the original voices (like Blue Dragon) then that's fine.  

[QUOTE="DoctorBunny"][QUOTE="Forza_2"]

If the 360 failed in Japan, what do you think about the PS3 ?

Take a look at the software sales last week for example.

 

http://www.vgchartz.com/japweekly.php

 

Japanese Chart for Week Ending 27th May 2007

Software Totals:

360 = 20,005 - Total = 1,310,161

PS3 = 5,404 - Total = 1,195,052

Game13a13y

OUCH!

PS 3 isn't selling well too, but its not like Sony has tried to break into a market that nobody wants to support them...

Now why do you think the 360 gets no support in Japan? 

[QUOTE="HarlockJC"]Some of the 3rd party companies are upset because they say M$ is not even trying their....They want to see M$ put more into adds in JapanDSgamer64

It doesnt matter if you advertise there or not. I rarely see ads for the Wii yet its still sold out around here, there are far more ads for 360 games or PSP titles then there are Wii and PS3 ads. Obviously the 360 is failing because the Japanese doesnt like the fact that the 360 is a casual console with very few games for the hardcore audience, most people know that a lot of Japanese made games are the hardcore franchises like MGS, DMC, FF, DQ and a lot of Nintendo franchises. Just look at the 360 lineup of games present and in the near future, there is hardly anything that will appeal to the Japanese market, hence why the 360 is basically like a fish out of water, its quickly dieing out.

That a good point the 360 needs to get more IP's that are exclusive that are know than building on ones that are unknow "besides to people that keep up on gaming every day of the week." That also why I have never been a huge M$ fan because I like the IP I like and want to play more of them. So if they were able to get their own FF, DQ or many more than they may have a fighting chance but without it. Well I quess you get where they are now.

Who the hell cares about JRPGs?...Chloroformality

me

[QUOTE="Chloroformality"]Who the hell cares about JRPGs?...HarlockJC

me

[QUOTE="HarlockJC"]Some of the 3rd party companies are upset because they say M$ is not even trying their....They want to see M$ put more into adds in JapanDSgamer64

It doesnt matter if you advertise there or not. I rarely see ads for the Wii yet its still sold out around here, there are far more ads for 360 games or PSP titles then there are Wii and PS3 ads. Obviously the 360 is failing because the Japanese doesnt like the fact that the 360 is a casual console with very few games for the hardcore audience, most people know that a lot of Japanese made games are the hardcore franchises like MGS, DMC, FF, DQ and a lot of Nintendo franchises. Just look at the 360 lineup of games present and in the near future, there is hardly anything that will appeal to the Japanese market, hence why the 360 is basically like a fish out of water, its quickly dieing out.

You're using a lot of System Wars lingo to describe a reason why the 360 is where it's at in Japan 

You say the 360 doesn't sell there because it's too "casual"?  Do you even know the real world definition of the tern "casual game"?

I'll give you 10 minutes to find the answer for yourself. 

[QUOTE="HarlockJC"]

[QUOTE="Chloroformality"]Who the hell cares about JRPGs?...Vandalvideo

me

That's great, but what's that have to do with 360 sales in Japan?

If you guys are saying embracing JRPGs is the only way the 360 can get sales in Japan, that's freaking pathetic.

I hope to God I don't see MS lower their standards that much just to make a buck in Japan. 

[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"][QUOTE="HarlockJC"]

[QUOTE="Chloroformality"]Who the hell cares about JRPGs?...Chloroformality

me

That's great, but what's that have to do with 360 sales in Japan?

If you guys are saying embracing JRPGs is the only way the 360 can get sales in Japan, that's freaking pathetic.

I hope to God I don't see MS lower their standards that much just to make a buck in Japan. 

Now why do you think the 360 gets no support in Japan? 

Yellow_Rose

cause the sales number of Xbox360 is not that optimistic, so if the japanese cared about Xbox360, they will buy it and the japanese dev will support it subsequently.

but no, Xbox360 cycle is the other way around. M$ forced japanese devs to make games for it, thats not really called "supporting."

[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"][QUOTE="HarlockJC"]

[QUOTE="Chloroformality"]Who the hell cares about JRPGs?...Chloroformality

me

That's great, but what's that have to do with 360 sales in Japan?

If you guys are saying embracing JRPGs is the only way the 360 can get sales in Japan, that's freaking pathetic.

I hope to God I don't see MS lower their standards that much just to make a buck in Japan. 

Most JRPG are made on a much higher standards than most other games....I would say there is a lot more detail in a 20+ hour JRPG than in a 6 hour game of GOW. So I would say by having more JRPGs on the 360 it would be raising there standards which they did with Blue Dragon. But that was a start.

[QUOTE="Yellow_Rose"]

Now why do you think the 360 gets no support in Japan?

Game13a13y

cause the sales number of Xbox360 is not that optimistic, so if the japanese cared about Xbox360, they will buy it and the japanese dev will support it subsequently.

but no, Xbox360 cycle is the other way around. M$ forced japanese devs to make games for it, thats not really called "supporting."

How did MS "force" them to make games for the 360? 

[QUOTE="HarlockJC"]

[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"]I want my JRPGs without having to rebuy a PS3. And no I will not buy Opoona.Vandalvideo

rebuy a PS3? did you have one and sell it and I can understand your love for JRPGs....Right now I am playing Baten Kaitos which is amazing

[QUOTE="Game13a13y"][QUOTE="Yellow_Rose"]

Now why do you think the 360 gets no support in Japan?

Yellow_Rose

cause the sales number of Xbox360 is not that optimistic, so if the japanese cared about Xbox360, they will buy it and the japanese dev will support it subsequently.

but no, Xbox360 cycle is the other way around. M$ forced japanese devs to make games for it, thats not really called "supporting."

How did MS "force" them to make games for the 360? 

well, like paying them more money, giving them more benefits, etc.. etc... may be bribing is a better term.

How did MS "force" them to make games for the 360? Yellow_Rose

What a silly question. 

Because they are EVILE of course. Don't worry, though. Sony (who's in just because they care about people) will take care of M$ ! 

[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"][QUOTE="HarlockJC"]

[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"]I want my JRPGs without having to rebuy a PS3. And no I will not buy Opoona.jg4xchamp

rebuy a PS3? did you have one and sell it and I can understand your love for JRPGs....Right now I am playing Baten Kaitos which is amazing

[QUOTE="Yellow_Rose"][QUOTE="Game13a13y"][QUOTE="Yellow_Rose"]

Now why do you think the 360 gets no support in Japan?

Game13a13y

cause the sales number of Xbox360 is not that optimistic, so if the japanese cared about Xbox360, they will buy it and the japanese dev will support it subsequently.

but no, Xbox360 cycle is the other way around. M$ forced japanese devs to make games for it, thats not really called "supporting."

How did MS "force" them to make games for the 360?

well, like paying them more money, giving them more benefits, etc.. etc... may be bribing is a better term.

They didn't have to take MS's money. 

I don't think Japan deserves to have Xbox anymore.

 

Let us enjoy competative online gaming and let them have their crap.

Chloroformality

[QUOTE="Chloroformality"][QUOTE="Vandalvideo"][QUOTE="HarlockJC"]

[QUOTE="Chloroformality"]Who the hell cares about JRPGs?...HarlockJC

me

That's great, but what's that have to do with 360 sales in Japan?

If you guys are saying embracing JRPGs is the only way the 360 can get sales in Japan, that's freaking pathetic.

I hope to God I don't see MS lower their standards that much just to make a buck in Japan.

Most JRPG are made on a much higher standards than most other games....I would say there is a lot more detail in a 20+ hour JRPG than in a 6 hour game of GOW. So I would say by having more JRPGs on the 360 it would be raising there standards which they did with Blue Dragon. But that was a start.

JRPGs follow no rules, therefore what some consider "detail," others know it as a ball of crap - mooshed together to make something "creative."

The fact that those crappy, eclectic Japanese RPGs have lasted so long seem insulting to the human race - why people still buy that crap.

The fact that there are only a couple on the 360 makes me feel much better about being Western.

[QUOTE="Yellow_Rose"]How did MS "force" them to make games for the 360? Forza_2

What a silly question.

Because they are EVILE of course. Don't worry, though. Sony (who's in just because they care about people) will take care of M$ !

Of course.  How dare "M$" give people the option to buy extra stuff they may not need or want, when if they actually cared about the consumer they would just shove all that stuff down our throats ;) 

JRPGs follow no rules, therefore what some consider "detail," others know it as a ball of crap - mooshed together to make something "creative."

The fact that those crappy, eclectic Japanese RPGs have lasted so long seem insulting to the human race - why people still buy that crap.

The fact that there are only a couple on the 360 makes me feel much better about being Western.

Chloroformality

What you called mooshed together, I call a great storyline. I understand that some people have a hard time following JRPGs the stories are on a much higher level than most western games. So if they seemed moosher together has you call it than a guess there stories are so well done that they go well over your head.

Most Japanness games are based on the end of the world and have some kind of political meaning behide them not just hey why don't we just shoot everybody or wait there is evil aliens to shoot or wait hell is opening up we have to shoot them or I know lets do another WW2 game were we shoot Germans. Notice a pattern

[QUOTE="Chloroformality"]

JRPGs follow no rules, therefore what some consider "detail," others know it as a ball of crap - mooshed together to make something "creative."

The fact that those crappy, eclectic Japanese RPGs have lasted so long seem insulting to the human race - why people still buy that crap.

The fact that there are only a couple on the 360 makes me feel much better about being Western.

HarlockJC

What you called mooshed together, I call a great storyline. I understand that some people have a hard time following JRPGs the stories are on a much higher level than most western games. So if they seemed moosher together has you call it than a guess there stories are so well done that they go well over your head.

Most Japanness games are based on the end of the world and have some kind of political meaning behide them not just hey why don't we just shoot everybody or wait there is evil aliens to shoot or wait hell is opening up we have to shoot them or I know lets do another WW2 game were we shoot Germans. Notice a pattern

The fact that JRPGs are overly-substanced does not make them on a higher level than Western RPG stories.

If someone painted a canvas with 500 colors, every color having it's own meaning, every meaning being linked to every other color on the canvas (blah blah), would you consider that painting better than a perfectly rendered picture of a hand flipping the bird?

Because I wouldn't.

All I see Japanese storyline as: a five year old kid, fingerpainting, thinking that the more colors he uses the better the picture will be.