Do you think MS released the 360 too early? (poll)

A lot of people criticize the 360 being "rushed" to the market in 2005. But what should MS have done differently? How would waiting for 2006 benefited them?

5 years later, the main advantage the PS3 holds hardware wise over the 360 is the Blu-ray drive. And this is not an advantage for gaming. How many of you believe that MS should have waited for 4th quarter 2006 to release the 360 with a blu-ray drive for $600?

I'd like to know what systemwars thinks, please vote in the poll.

If they would have released it a few months later they probably could have eased the RROD problem a little bit. Then again it might have taken a whole year to fix the problem so who knows.

I think it is pretty obvious they made the right decision as the are ahead of the PS3 and their software is still selling better each month than the PS3 also. Sony is the one that should regret their move with blu-rayas it probably has put them in a solid 3rd place for the rest of the gen behind the 360 and the Wii. Now I will say that I do disagree with you about the blu-ray not having any advantages over DVD for gaming sinec that normally have to compress stuff to put games on the 360 which they don't have to do for PS3 games.

If anything, the PS3 was released too early. It cost them over $800 to produce it at launch, but Sony had no choice but to get it out since Microsoft (and Nintendo) put the pressure on them. Were it not for Microsoft's head-start, I can't help but think Sony would have happily waited until November 2007 to release their system.

In other words, Microsoft of course made the right move, got a healthy install base lead and made their competitor suffer for years.

Overheating, RROD, E74, CPU issues, you name it. Everything about this console is rushed. Keep in mind these are problems that STILL haven't been worked out in 5 years.

The PS3 isn't all that better. Charging 600 bucks for a game console is BS.

Overheating, RROD, E74, CPU issues, you name it. Everything about this console is rushed. Keep in mind these are problems that STILL haven't been worked out in 5 years.

tainted_lynx

all of issues you mentioned have been corrected by the 360 S I believe

I think it is pretty obvious they made the right decision as the are ahead of the PS3 and their software is still selling better each month than the PS3 also. Sony is the one that should regret their move with blu-rayas it probably has put them in a solid 3rd place for the rest of the gen behind the 360 and the Wii. Now I will say that I do disagree with you about the blu-ray not having any advantages over DVD for gaming sinec that normally have to compress stuff to put games on the 360 which they don't have to do for PS3 games.

3rdbass

[QUOTE="tainted_lynx"]

Overheating, RROD, E74, CPU issues, you name it. Everything about this console is rushed. Keep in mind these are problems that STILL haven't been worked out in 5 years.

ohthemanatee

all of issues you mentioned have been corrected by the 360 S I believe

[QUOTE="ohthemanatee"]

[QUOTE="tainted_lynx"]

Overheating, RROD, E74, CPU issues, you name it. Everything about this console is rushed. Keep in mind these are problems that STILL haven't been worked out in 5 years.

alexfla

all of issues you mentioned have been corrected by the 360 S I believe

I think that trying to fix a hardware malfunction from it's source is different then trying to fix it on new hardware while still trying to keep it fully compatible with 5 years of previous software

in short: no

[QUOTE="tainted_lynx"]

Overheating, RROD, E74, CPU issues, you name it. Everything about this console is rushed. Keep in mind these are problems that STILL haven't been worked out in 5 years.

ohthemanatee

all of issues you mentioned have been corrected by the 360 S I believe

http://gamersyndrome.com/2010/xbox-360/xbox-360-slim-overheating-issues-already-appearing/

^ You were saying..?

[QUOTE="ohthemanatee"]

[QUOTE="tainted_lynx"]

Overheating, RROD, E74, CPU issues, you name it. Everything about this console is rushed. Keep in mind these are problems that STILL haven't been worked out in 5 years.

tainted_lynx

all of issues you mentioned have been corrected by the 360 S I believe

http://gamersyndrome.com/2010/xbox-360/xbox-360-slim-overheating-issues-already-appearing/

^ You were saying..?

considering that even the article you posted wasn't sure if it's true I'd say that my point still stands

I would've liked MS to actually WAIT and not rush things. They cut the originalXBOX's life short just so they can rush a console which will fail on you.

Sony isn't innocent either. The YLOD is a pain.

[QUOTE="tainted_lynx"]

[QUOTE="ohthemanatee"]

all of issues you mentioned have been corrected by the 360 S I believe

ohthemanatee

http://gamersyndrome.com/2010/xbox-360/xbox-360-slim-overheating-issues-already-appearing/

^ You were saying..?

considering that even the article you posted wasn't sure if it's true I'd say that my point still stands

Did you even read it?

I think it was the perfect timing. The only thing i think that could have been better with more time was the realibility.

[QUOTE="3rdbass"]

I think it is pretty obvious they made the right decision as the are ahead of the PS3 and their software is still selling better each month than the PS3 also. Sony is the one that should regret their move with blu-rayas it probably has put them in a solid 3rd place for the rest of the gen behind the 360 and the Wii. Now I will say that I do disagree with you about the blu-ray not having any advantages over DVD for gaming sinec that normally have to compress stuff to put games on the 360 which they don't have to do for PS3 games.

alexfla

Even today nearly half of all Bluray players out there are PS3s... it's hard to say whether Sony made the right of wrong choice here, but if HDDVD had won it would have been an enormous setback for their company.

[QUOTE="ohthemanatee"]

[QUOTE="tainted_lynx"]

http://gamersyndrome.com/2010/xbox-360/xbox-360-slim-overheating-issues-already-appearing/

^ You were saying..?

tainted_lynx

considering that even the article you posted wasn't sure if it's true I'd say that my point still stands

Did you even read it?

"The Forum, NeoGaf has not confirmed whether or not the images are 100% real"

Forum...neogaf...not 100% real

my question is: Did YOU read the article?

Nah they're beating Sony monthly in the sales department and are constantly getting superior Multiplats. Plus Software is still selling better on the 360 then anything on the ps3.Sp4rtan_3

PS3 sold more software last year despite a smaller install base...

[QUOTE="ohthemanatee"]

[QUOTE="tainted_lynx"]

Overheating, RROD, E74, CPU issues, you name it. Everything about this console is rushed. Keep in mind these are problems that STILL haven't been worked out in 5 years.

tainted_lynx

all of issues you mentioned have been corrected by the 360 S I believe

http://gamersyndrome.com/2010/xbox-360/xbox-360-slim-overheating-issues-already-appearing/

^ You were saying..?

[QUOTE="Sp4rtan_3"]Nah they're beating Sony monthly in the sales department and are constantly getting superior Multiplats. Plus Software is still selling better on the 360 then anything on the ps3.santoron

PS3 sold more software last year despite a smaller install base...

hardware wise it came back to haunt them by launching so early sales wise it was the right thing to doohthemanatee

Completely agree. They may have rushed a bit which led to some hardware issues that bit them, but to be fair they owned up to it and put out the best warranty (by far) in the market. And that wasn't cheap.

Xbox needed a jump start this gen, and a full year as the only "Next Gen" system was just what the doctor ordered. They increased marketshare, and got the games division making money after an entire gen in the red. They really couldn't have asked for better results.

[QUOTE="tainted_lynx"]

[QUOTE="ohthemanatee"]

considering that even the article you posted wasn't sure if it's true I'd say that my point still stands

ohthemanatee

Did you even read it?

"The Forum, NeoGaf has not confirmed whether or not the images are 100% real"

Forum...neogaf...not 100% real

my question is: Did YOU read the article?

They aren't supposed to say. But others can.

"This is 100% real. I know so because this just happened to my xbox last night. I bought the Slim on August 7th. Ive worked for most of the week so i didnt play much but when i did i noticed how hot one area of the console was getting. It was almost too hot to touch so i knew everything wasn't working as intended."

Read the whole thing

[QUOTE="santoron"]

[QUOTE="Sp4rtan_3"]Nah they're beating Sony monthly in the sales department and are constantly getting superior Multiplats. Plus Software is still selling better on the 360 then anything on the ps3.navyguy21

PS3 sold more software last year despite a smaller install base...

No problem :P Link

Numbers are from last year's end of the fiscal year reports from each company. 115.6 million titles sold for PS3 and 103.1 for the 360.

[QUOTE="tainted_lynx"]

[QUOTE="ohthemanatee"]

all of issues you mentioned have been corrected by the 360 S I believe

navyguy21

http://gamersyndrome.com/2010/xbox-360/xbox-360-slim-overheating-issues-already-appearing/

^ You were saying..?

http://www.maxconsole.net/content.php?40684-Xbox-fanboy-experiences-360-Slim-overheating-warns-others

^ Oh yeah, all from the same guy. I can pull some more out because it's an issue that MS ignores. The PS3 slims are overheating as well.

[QUOTE="ohthemanatee"]

[QUOTE="tainted_lynx"]

Did you even read it?

tainted_lynx

"The Forum, NeoGaf has not confirmed whether or not the images are 100% real"

Forum...neogaf...not 100% real

my question is: Did YOU read the article?

They aren't supposed to say. But others can.

"This is 100% real. I know so because this just happened to my xbox last night. I bought the Slim on August 7th. Ive worked for most of the week so i didnt play much but when i did i noticed how hot one area of the console was getting. It was almost too hot to touch so i knew everything wasn't working as intended."

Read the whole thing

oh wow a comment, such a credible source :roll:

[QUOTE="navyguy21"][QUOTE="tainted_lynx"]

http://gamersyndrome.com/2010/xbox-360/xbox-360-slim-overheating-issues-already-appearing/

^ You were saying..?

tainted_lynx

http://www.maxconsole.net/content.php?40684-Xbox-fanboy-experiences-360-Slim-overheating-warns-others

^ Oh yeah, all from the same guy. I can pull some more out because it's an issue that MS ignores. The PS3 slims are overheating as well.

in the first second of the video you just posted:

any other argument or are you done prooving you don't read your own sources?

[QUOTE="tainted_lynx"]

[QUOTE="ohthemanatee"]

"The Forum, NeoGaf has not confirmed whether or not the images are 100% real"

Forum...neogaf...not 100% real

my question is: Did YOU read the article?

ohthemanatee

They aren't supposed to say. But others can.

"This is 100% real. I know so because this just happened to my xbox last night. I bought the Slim on August 7th. Ive worked for most of the week so i didnt play much but when i did i noticed how hot one area of the console was getting. It was almost too hot to touch so i knew everything wasn't working as intended."

Read the whole thing

oh wow a comment, such a credible source :roll:

"And it has already overheated….Wow… it's actually worse than the old 360… no words… Microsoft… just Wow…

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iu0mnpbFMt4

but you guys will take it with a smile, in fact you will defend this"

"Seriously, did anyone expect anything else? Its the same console, the same hardware placement, it just has a few more grills and an extra fan or so. Sure, they probably reduced things a notch, but that doesn't mean overheating is a thing of the past."

"As expected. The slim 360 has all the same issues as the old ones… which means it will continue to be the most defective electronic product in history.

But since you xtards defend them, they see no reason to fix this very verybad product.

I bet you guys are dumb enough to defend this as well:
http://www.destructoid.com/e3-10-new-xbox-same-old-disc-destroying-problems-176508.phtml"

Comments from real people actually. I can list more examples too.

[QUOTE="ohthemanatee"]

[QUOTE="tainted_lynx"]

They aren't supposed to say. But others can.

"This is 100% real. I know so because this just happened to my xbox last night. I bought the Slim on August 7th. Ive worked for most of the week so i didnt play much but when i did i noticed how hot one area of the console was getting. It was almost too hot to touch so i knew everything wasn't working as intended."

Read the whole thing

tainted_lynx

oh wow a comment, such a credible source :roll:

"And it has already overheated….Wow… it's actually worse than the old 360… no words… Microsoft… just Wow…

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iu0mnpbFMt4

but you guys will take it with a smile, in fact you will defend this"

"Seriously, did anyone expect anything else? Its the same console, the same hardware placement, it just has a few more grills and an extra fan or so. Sure, they probably reduced things a notch, but that doesn't mean overheating is a thing of the past."

"As expected. The slim 360 has all the same issues as the old ones… which means it will continue to be the most defective electronic product in history.

But since you xtards defend them, they see no reason to fix this very verybad product.

I bet you guys are dumb enough to defend this as well:
http://www.destructoid.com/e3-10-new-xbox-same-old-disc-destroying-problems-176508.phtml"

Comments from real people actually. I can list more examples too.

once again...comments nice credible source there :roll:

oh by the way here's something for you

[QUOTE="tainted_lynx"]

[QUOTE="navyguy21"] All the sites reporting this are from the same guy lol. And ONE console does not represent the entire production. So i suppose BR disc errors are common with PS3? My VERY FIRST PS3 had that problem, luckily i had just bought it and just exchanged it for a new one the same day. Yep, PS3's are terrible. :Pohthemanatee

http://www.maxconsole.net/content.php?40684-Xbox-fanboy-experiences-360-Slim-overheating-warns-others

^ Oh yeah, all from the same guy. I can pull some more out because it's an issue that MS ignores. The PS3 slims are overheating as well.

in the first second of the video you just posted:

any other argument or are you done prooving you don't read your own sources?

Don't get mad cause the console still has problems. Just look it up

[QUOTE="tainted_lynx"]

[QUOTE="ohthemanatee"]

oh wow a comment, such a credible source :roll:

ohthemanatee

"And it has already overheated….Wow… it's actually worse than the old 360… no words… Microsoft… just Wow…

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iu0mnpbFMt4

but you guys will take it with a smile, in fact you will defend this"

"Seriously, did anyone expect anything else? Its the same console, the same hardware placement, it just has a few more grills and an extra fan or so. Sure, they probably reduced things a notch, but that doesn't mean overheating is a thing of the past."

"As expected. The slim 360 has all the same issues as the old ones… which means it will continue to be the most defective electronic product in history.

But since you xtards defend them, they see no reason to fix this very verybad product.

I bet you guys are dumb enough to defend this as well:
http://www.destructoid.com/e3-10-new-xbox-same-old-disc-destroying-problems-176508.phtml"

Comments from real people actually. I can list more examples too.

once again...comments nice credible source there :roll:

oh by the way here's something for you

Once again, you're wrong. and great job getting a source from a fanboy. Nice.

[QUOTE="ohthemanatee"]

[QUOTE="tainted_lynx"]

http://www.maxconsole.net/content.php?40684-Xbox-fanboy-experiences-360-Slim-overheating-warns-others

^ Oh yeah, all from the same guy. I can pull some more out because it's an issue that MS ignores. The PS3 slims are overheating as well.

tainted_lynx

in the first second of the video you just posted:

any other argument or are you done prooving you don't read your own sources?

Don't get mad cause the console still has problems. Just look it up

it has problems? well yes, it destroys discs you move it while it is running

but other than that it has had no problems

[QUOTE="navyguy21"][QUOTE="santoron"]

PS3 sold more software last year despite a smaller install base...

santoron

No problem :P Link

Numbers are from last year's end of the fiscal year reports from each company. 115.6 million titles sold for PS3 and 103.1 for the 360.

[QUOTE="ohthemanatee"]

[QUOTE="tainted_lynx"]

"And it has already overheated….Wow… it's actually worse than the old 360… no words… Microsoft… just Wow…

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iu0mnpbFMt4

but you guys will take it with a smile, in fact you will defend this"

"Seriously, did anyone expect anything else? Its the same console, the same hardware placement, it just has a few more grills and an extra fan or so. Sure, they probably reduced things a notch, but that doesn't mean overheating is a thing of the past."

"As expected. The slim 360 has all the same issues as the old ones… which means it will continue to be the most defective electronic product in history.

But since you xtards defend them, they see no reason to fix this very verybad product.

I bet you guys are dumb enough to defend this as well:
http://www.destructoid.com/e3-10-new-xbox-same-old-disc-destroying-problems-176508.phtml"

Comments from real people actually. I can list more examples too.

tainted_lynx

once again...comments nice credible source there :roll:

oh by the way here's something for you

Once again, you're wrong. and great job getting a source from a fanboy. Nice.

find me a credible source then

[QUOTE="tainted_lynx"]

[QUOTE="ohthemanatee"]

once again...comments nice credible source there :roll:

oh by the way here's something for you

ohthemanatee

Once again, you're wrong. and great job getting a source from a fanboy. Nice.

find me a credible source then

I believe I showed you plenty of links. Just google it. It's all over.

[QUOTE="tainted_lynx"]

[QUOTE="ohthemanatee"]

in the first second of the video you just posted:

any other argument or are you done prooving you don't read your own sources?

ohthemanatee

Don't get mad cause the console still has problems. Just look it up

it has problems? well yes, it destroys discs you move it while it is running

but other than that it has had no problems

It scratches a disc even if you touch it. It would gnarl up your disc and ruin it. It's a serious problem.

[QUOTE="ohthemanatee"]

[QUOTE="tainted_lynx"]

Once again, you're wrong. and great job getting a source from a fanboy. Nice.

tainted_lynx

find me a credible source then

I believe I showed you plenty of links. Just google it. It's all over.

yes one link in which the actuall article writer said that it wasn't confirmed

and a second link in which the actualy guy who posted the problem said that the console was actually working fine

good show, all you did was prove that the 360 S is actually pretty reliable, so yeah... thank you for helping my argument

It scratches a disc even if you touch it. It would gnarl up your disc and ruin it. It's a serious problem.

tainted_lynx

it would be if what you said was true

[QUOTE="tainted_lynx"]

[QUOTE="ohthemanatee"]

find me a credible source then

ohthemanatee

I believe I showed you plenty of links. Just google it. It's all over.

yes one link in which the actuall article writer said that it wasn't confirmed

and a second link in which the actualy guy who posted the problem said that the console was actually working fine

good show, all you did was prove that the 360 S is actually pretty reliable, so yeah... thank you for helping my argument

Did you even read ANY of the articles posted? haha

[QUOTE="ohthemanatee"]

[QUOTE="tainted_lynx"]

I believe I showed you plenty of links. Just google it. It's all over.

tainted_lynx

yes one link in which the actuall article writer said that it wasn't confirmed

and a second link in which the actualy guy who posted the problem said that the console was actually working fine

good show, all you did was prove that the 360 S is actually pretty reliable, so yeah... thank you for helping my argument

Did you even read ANY of the articles posted? haha

I did:

"The Forum, NeoGaf has not confirmed whether or not the images are 100% real"

did you?

[QUOTE="ohthemanatee"]

[QUOTE="tainted_lynx"]

Overheating, RROD, E74, CPU issues, you name it. Everything about this console is rushed. Keep in mind these are problems that STILL haven't been worked out in 5 years.

tainted_lynx

all of issues you mentioned have been corrected by the 360 S I believe

http://gamersyndrome.com/2010/xbox-360/xbox-360-slim-overheating-issues-already-appearing/

^ You were saying..?

[QUOTE="ohthemanatee"]

[QUOTE="tainted_lynx"]

http://gamersyndrome.com/2010/xbox-360/xbox-360-slim-overheating-issues-already-appearing/

^ You were saying..?

tainted_lynx

considering that even the article you posted wasn't sure if it's true I'd say that my point still stands

Did you even read it?

[QUOTE="tainted_lynx"]

[QUOTE="ohthemanatee"]

yes one link in which the actuall article writer said that it wasn't confirmed

and a second link in which the actualy guy who posted the problem said that the console was actually working fine

good show, all you did was prove that the 360 S is actually pretty reliable, so yeah... thank you for helping my argument

ohthemanatee

Did you even read ANY of the articles posted? haha

I did:

"The Forum, NeoGaf has not confirmed whether or not the images are 100% real"

did you?

I did: "This is 100% real. I know so because this just happened to my xbox last night. I bought the Slim on August 7th. Ive worked for most of the week so i didnt play much but when i did i noticed how hot one area of the console was getting. It was almost too hot to touch so i knew everything wasn't working as intended. Last nite i finally sat down and played RDR for about 2 hours and then it happened."

Did you?

It's not even this link in particular. If you look it up there are tons of articles about overheating issues.

[QUOTE="santoron"]

[QUOTE="navyguy21"] Link for that? Not that i dont believe you, i just want to see :Pnavyguy21

No problem :P Link

Numbers are from last year's end of the fiscal year reports from each company. 115.6 million titles sold for PS3 and 103.1 for the 360.

Definitely was a good year for games on the PS3. But it still surprised me to see.

[QUOTE="tainted_lynx"]

[QUOTE="ohthemanatee"]

all of issues you mentioned have been corrected by the 360 S I believe

clone01

http://gamersyndrome.com/2010/xbox-360/xbox-360-slim-overheating-issues-already-appearing/

^ You were saying..?

Usually those pics were uploaded from a camera. I'd say it's pretty reliable. Why wouldn't it be?

[QUOTE="ohthemanatee"]

[QUOTE="tainted_lynx"]

Once again, you're wrong. and great job getting a source from a fanboy. Nice.

tainted_lynx

find me a credible source then

I believe I showed you plenty of links. Just google it. It's all over.

[QUOTE="clone01"][QUOTE="tainted_lynx"]

http://gamersyndrome.com/2010/xbox-360/xbox-360-slim-overheating-issues-already-appearing/

^ You were saying..?

tainted_lynx

Usually those pics were uploaded from a camera. I'd say it's pretty reliable. Why wouldn't it be?

[QUOTE="ohthemanatee"]

[QUOTE="tainted_lynx"]

Did you even read ANY of the articles posted? haha

tainted_lynx

I did:

"The Forum, NeoGaf has not confirmed whether or not the images are 100% real"

did you?

I did: "This is 100% real. I know so because this just happened to my xbox last night. I bought the Slim on August 7th. Ive worked for most of the week so i didnt play much but when i did i noticed how hot one area of the console was getting. It was almost too hot to touch so i knew everything wasn't working as intended. Last nite i finally sat down and played RDR for about 2 hours and then it happened."

Did you?

It's not even this link in particular. If you look it up there are tons of articles about overheating issues.

you'll have to find something better then a comment