Do you think Nintendo is doing enough for hardcore gamers. (poll)

[QUOTE="OreoMilkshake"]

[QUOTE="SMR-Venom"]Tact of Magic (New IP)

Dynamic Zan (New IP)

Cosmic Walker (New IP)

Monado (New IP)Lethalhazard

[QUOTE="Yandere"]

[QUOTE="Lethalhazard"] If they were high quality games (among the top ranked), then I think we've had at least heard of one of those. Plus none of those have even been released yet.

Lethalhazard

Funny, because the majority of quality games aren't well known.

The production value may be higher because of the dev being more popular, but that doesn't make the game good. If the game appeals to a big audience then it will get more hype/more known, if it's more niche then it won't.. A game being niche/underground doesn't make it any less then mainstream ones.

[QUOTE="Lethalhazard"]

[QUOTE="OreoMilkshake"]I love how everyone ignored this post and complained about no new IP's. But I guess they don't count because we've never heard of them.

OreoMilkshake

[QUOTE="OreoMilkshake"][QUOTE="Lethalhazard"] If they were high quality games (among the top ranked), then I think we've had at least heard of one of those. Plus none of those have even been released yet.

Lethalhazard

They're basically doing what they've always done.

They're giving us the quality first party game we like. The only difference is that they're also appealing to casuals at thesame time..

Shinobishyguy

You are absolutely correct.

[QUOTE="Lethalhazard"][QUOTE="Yandere"]

Funny, because the majority of quality games aren't well known.

Yandere

The production value may be higher because of the dev being more popular, but that doesn't make the game good. If the game appeals to a big audience then it will get more hype/more known, if it's more niche then it won't.. A game being niche/underground doesn't make it any less then mainstream ones.

[QUOTE="Lethalhazard"][QUOTE="OreoMilkshake"]That doesn't change the fact that they're new IP's. Nice try.OreoMilkshake

[QUOTE="Yandere"]

[QUOTE="Lethalhazard"] That's your opinion. That's not necessarily true, especially when it comes to something like production values and story. High quality games are generally well known, especially to a hardcore fanbase such as Gamespot.Lethalhazard

The production value may be higher because of the dev being more popular, but that doesn't make the game good. If the game appeals to a big audience then it will get more hype/more known, if it's more niche then it won't.. A game being niche/underground doesn't make it any less then mainstream ones.

God of War isn't anything that a mainstream audience wouldn't like.. If any mainstream dev made a high quality bullet hell game for their first game they wouldn't be known.. Because that genre is very niche and doesn't appeal to a mass audience.

[QUOTE="Lethalhazard"][QUOTE="Yandere"]

The production value may be higher because of the dev being more popular, but that doesn't make the game good. If the game appeals to a big audience then it will get more hype/more known, if it's more niche then it won't.. A game being niche/underground doesn't make it any less then mainstream ones.

Yandere

God of War isn't anything that a mainstream audience wouldn't like.. If any mainstream dev made a high quality bullet hell game for their first game they wouldn't be known.. Because that genre is very niche and doesn't appeal to a mass audience.

Yup, Sin and Punishment, Mario, Zelda and Metroid are enough to keep gamers satisifed.

[QUOTE="Yandere"]

[QUOTE="Lethalhazard"] Yeah but a developer usually gets "big" if they create a very good game. A good example would be Santa Monica, with God of War. It was relatively unknown when it was released, and created a huge boom. A good niche game to mention might be Xenosaga, I wish that was more popular. But it's pretty rare that something isn't well known if it's good, especially with video games.Lethalhazard

God of War isn't anything that a mainstream audience wouldn't like.. If any mainstream dev made a high quality bullet hell game for their first game they wouldn't be known.. Because that genre is very niche and doesn't appeal to a mass audience.

Castle of Shinkigami III (also on the 360), I'm not going to list them all though, just search by genre in..

http://www.play-asia.com/paOS-14-71-bs-49-en.html

[QUOTE="OreoMilkshake"][QUOTE="Lethalhazard"] If they were high quality games (among the top ranked), then I think we've had at least heard of one of those. Plus none of those have even been released yet.

Lethalhazard

That makes no sense to me. Third-party companies develop for any console/system they choose.

Now, second and first party companies are owned by the head-company (i.e. Nintendo owns Retro Studios, Intelligent Systems, etc.), who would make IPs for the company. Unless, however, the head-company works with a third-party, then an IP can be born (i.e. Nintendo and Treasure creating Sin & Punishment).

[QUOTE="Lethalhazard"][QUOTE="Yandere"]

God of War isn't anything that a mainstream audience wouldn't like.. If any mainstream dev made a high quality bullet hell game for their first game they wouldn't be known.. Because that genre is very niche and doesn't appeal to a mass audience.

Yandere

Castle of Shinkigami III (also on the 360), I'm not going to list them all though, just search by genre in..

http://www.play-asia.com/paOS-14-71-bs-49-en.html

[QUOTE="Lethalhazard"][QUOTE="OreoMilkshake"]That doesn't change the fact that they're new IP's. Nice try.Wolblade

That makes no sense to me. Third-party companies develop for any console/system they choose.

Now, second and first party companies are owned by the head-company (i.e. Nintendo owns Retro Studios, Intelligent Systems, etc.), who would make IPs for the company. Unless, however, the head-company works with a third-party, then an IP can be born (i.e. Nintendo and Treasure creating Sin & Punishment).

They're basically doing what they've always done.

They're giving us the quality first party game we like. The only difference is that they're also appealing to casuals at thesame time..

Shinobishyguy

[QUOTE="Shinobishyguy"]

They're basically doing what they've always done.

They're giving us the quality first party game we like. The only difference is that they're also appealing to casuals at thesame time..

mitu123

[QUOTE="Wolblade"]

[QUOTE="Lethalhazard"] .................................................... If we're going to argue new IPs, that can easily be done, too. Especially in terms of quality experience. But yeah, I was speaking more on behalf of Nintendo's new IPs, since they don't have many third party developers. Where are the QUALITY new IPs :P.Lethalhazard

That makes no sense to me. Third-party companies develop for any console/system they choose.

Now, second and first party companies are owned by the head-company (i.e. Nintendo owns Retro Studios, Intelligent Systems, etc.), who would make IPs for the company. Unless, however, the head-company works with a third-party, then an IP can be born (i.e. Nintendo and Treasure creating Sin & Punishment).

It's just something Nintendo does. I'm hoping for an epic Zelda experience for the Wii.

[QUOTE="Lethalhazard"][QUOTE="Wolblade"]

That makes no sense to me. Third-party companies develop for any console/system they choose.

Now, second and first party companies are owned by the head-company (i.e. Nintendo owns Retro Studios, Intelligent Systems, etc.), who would make IPs for the company. Unless, however, the head-company works with a third-party, then an IP can be born (i.e. Nintendo and Treasure creating Sin & Punishment).

Wolblade

It's just something Nintendo does. I'm hoping for an epic Zelda experience for the Wii.

[QUOTE="mitu123"][QUOTE="Shinobishyguy"]

They're basically doing what they've always done.

They're giving us the quality first party game we like. The only difference is that they're also appealing to casuals at thesame time..

Lethalhazard

[QUOTE="Wolblade"]

[QUOTE="Lethalhazard"] Yeah, I know. It just seems like the main studio at Nintendo makes the best games compared to it's third party support, which is why I'm hoping the new Zelda will save the Wii for me for awhile :D.Lethalhazard

It's just something Nintendo does. I'm hoping for an epic Zelda experience for the Wii.

I LOVE platformers. My favorite genre by far.

And yes, I'm enjoying the game (Playing it on an N64). Although, I've been spoiled by Banjo-Tooie a bit too much, as I owned/played that game before I played BK. But, it takes me back to when I watched my friend play it long ago. Good times. ^-^

[QUOTE="Lethalhazard"][QUOTE="Wolblade"]

It's just something Nintendo does. I'm hoping for an epic Zelda experience for the Wii.

Wolblade

I LOVE platformers. My favorite genre by far.

And yes, I'm enjoying the game (Playing it on an N64). Although, I've been spoiled by Banjo-Tooie a bit too much, as I owned/played that game before I played BK. But, it takes me back to when I watched my friend play it long ago. Good times. ^-^

While most people will say no out of blind hatred I think Nintendo's been doing a great job with its first party requuirements, most of its games have been critically accalaimed and it has updated most of its franchises, including reviving old franchises.

[QUOTE="Wolblade"]

[QUOTE="Lethalhazard"] Oooo, I see you're playing Banjo-Kazooie in your signature. Do you like it? It's one of my favorite platformers of all time :P.Lethalhazard

I LOVE platformers. My favorite genre by far.

And yes, I'm enjoying the game (Playing it on an N64). Although, I've been spoiled by Banjo-Tooie a bit too much, as I owned/played that game before I played BK. But, it takes me back to when I watched my friend play it long ago. Good times. ^-^

You'd be surprised how much one relies on the Grip-Grab ability from Tooie, only to play Kazooie and NOT have it. It leads to many facepalms and backtracking.

I own two working ones. But, EBAY is the place to go. I'm trying to collect the different colored ones. Of course, that may take a while as I'm but a poor college student.

In that other thread "Your top 5 developers currently"...Nintendo is in like 7/10 posts...here, they are being crapped upon, irony.SMR-Venom

This is SW. That's not ironic, that's just normal. If the threads were consistant this place would be boring.

[QUOTE="SMR-Venom"]In that other thread "Your top 5 developers currently"...Nintendo is in like 7/10 posts...here, they are being crapped upon, irony.ActicEdge

This is SW. That's not ironic, that's just normal. If the threads were consistant this place would be boring.

[QUOTE="SMR-Venom"]In that other thread "Your top 5 developers currently"...Nintendo is in like 7/10 posts...here, they are being crapped upon, irony.ActicEdge

This is SW. That's not ironic, that's just normal. If the threads were consistant this place would be boring.

But isn't being consistently inconsistent in itself making this place consistent!? :o

[QUOTE="ActicEdge"]

[QUOTE="SMR-Venom"]In that other thread "Your top 5 developers currently"...Nintendo is in like 7/10 posts...here, they are being crapped upon, irony.Technoweirdo

This is SW. That's not ironic, that's just normal. If the threads were consistant this place would be boring.

But isn't being consistently inconsistent in itself making this place consistent!? :o

[QUOTE="ActicEdge"]

[QUOTE="SMR-Venom"]In that other thread "Your top 5 developers currently"...Nintendo is in like 7/10 posts...here, they are being crapped upon, irony.Technoweirdo

This is SW. That's not ironic, that's just normal. If the threads were consistant this place would be boring.

But isn't being consistently inconsistent in itself making this place consistent!? :o

No, the consistency is never consistent. All I know is that inconsistency is normal but what that inconsitency is is inconsitent thus this place always feels fresh :P

[QUOTE="ActicEdge"]

[QUOTE="SMR-Venom"]In that other thread "Your top 5 developers currently"...Nintendo is in like 7/10 posts...here, they are being crapped upon, irony.SMR-Venom

This is SW. That's not ironic, that's just normal. If the threads were consistant this place would be boring.

I agree. An inconsistant smartass :P

[QUOTE="Technoweirdo"]

[QUOTE="ActicEdge"]

This is SW. That's not ironic, that's just normal. If the threads were consistant this place would be boring.

ActicEdge

But isn't being consistently inconsistent in itself making this place consistent!? :o

No, the consistency is never consistent. All I know is that inconsistency is normal but what that inconsitency is is inconsitent thus this place always feels fresh :P

All of this consistent inconsistency is consistently confusing me. :?

That is deep IMO. Also, nice sig, I want that game looks sexy.mitu123

And you have a very nice avatar.

No, the consistency is never consistent. All I know is that inconsistency is normal but what that inconsitency is is inconsitent thus this place always feels fresh :P

ActicEdge

But wait! The inconsistency being inconsistent is in itself consistent making...Paradox...Snake...Brawl...

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...Thus making it impossible for this place to always feel fresh!

[QUOTE="mitu123"]That is deep IMO. Also, nice sig, I want that game looks sexy.Technoweirdo

And you have a very nice avatar.

No, the consistency is never consistent. All I know is that inconsistency is normal but what that inconsitency is is inconsitent thus this place always feels fresh :P

ActicEdge

But wait! The inconsistency being inconsistent is in itself consistent making...Paradox...Snake...Brawl...

...

...Thus making it impossible for this place to always feel fresh!

Nintendo is doing more for the hardcore than sony and MS combined.. it simply lacks 3rd party support.

I hate that Nintendo is constantly blamed for this

In that other thread "Your top 5 developers currently"...Nintendo is in like 7/10 posts...here, they are being crapped upon, irony.SMR-Venom

Everyone loves Nintendo but they dont like the casual games they make.

[QUOTE="mitu123"]That is deep IMO. Also, nice sig, I want that game looks sexy.Technoweirdo

And you have a very nice avatar.

No, the consistency is never consistent. All I know is that inconsistency is normal but what that inconsitency is is inconsitent thus this place always feels fresh :P

ActicEdge

But wait! The inconsistency being inconsistent is in itself consistent making...Paradox...Snake...Brawl...

...

...Thus making it impossible for this place to always feel fresh!

To much inconsitency. . . . cannot comprehend!!!1 . . . . What happeing to me?@14#%6!

[QUOTE="Lethalhazard"]

[QUOTE="OreoMilkshake"]I love how everyone ignored this post and complained about no new IP's. But I guess they don't count because we've never heard of them.

Yandere

Funny, because the majority of quality games aren't well known.

Exactly, and that is why I am going to get Little King's story at a discounted price. Hahahahahaha :twisted::P

[QUOTE="Technoweirdo"]

[QUOTE="mitu123"]

And you have a very nice avatar.

[QUOTE="ActicEdge"]

No, the consistency is never consistent. All I know is that inconsistency is normal but what that inconsitency is is inconsitent thus this place always feels fresh :P

ActicEdge

But wait! The inconsistency being inconsistent is in itself consistent making...Paradox...Snake...Brawl...

...

...Thus making it impossible for this place to always feel fresh!

To much inconsitency. . . . cannot comprehend!!!1 . . . . What happeing to me?@14#%6!

You'll forgive me when I can't take anyone who actually voted no seriously.

Nintendo is doing a lot for hardcore. More than any other developer for wii. However, it just doesn't feel enough. Instead of yet another "Wii" Series game. Why not Star Fox, or F Zero?

You'll forgive me when I can't take anyone who actually voted no seriously.

TaMuK711

You could've done a lot better with that post.. So I'm not taking you seriously.

The best move Nintendo should make is to provide support to Third Party developers and entice them to put established franchises on the Wii. Square Enix has already announced Dragon Quest X for the Wii, so Nintendo should be working hard to get the lsame level of support from them that the DS sees. Nintendo needs to take a more active role and offer the Wii as a viable platform for Final Fantasy remakes, Kingdom Hearts III, and other Square Enix franchises.

Snake's appearance in Brawl should be taken advantage of by getting Kojima on the phone and seeing if he wants to do a Twin Snakes style remake of the two MSX Metal Gear titles on the Wii.

Let Sega take another crack at F-Zero and even let Namco have another shot at Star Fox(provided they keep it closer to Star Fox 64)

What the Wii needs now are established first and third-party franchises that can assist in attracting hardcore gamers. The Wii needs to be postioned as the console version of the DS. A cheap platform that requires fewer risks than development on the 360 and PS3.

It has the user base to support a transition towards more hardcore offerings. What Nintendo needs to do is offer third-party developers incentives to move away from party and mini games.

What have they done? There hasn't been a new franchise for over a decade, except for wii fit of course.

What have they done? There hasn't been a new franchise for over a decade, except for wii fit of course.

PSdual_wielder

Considering I only own two Wii games, ten GC games, ten N64 games and ten SNES games... obviously not.

*pics*

You'll forgive me when I can't take anyone who actually voted no seriously.

TaMuK711

Considering I only own two Wii games, ten GC games, ten N64 games and ten SNES games... obviously not.

[QUOTE="TaMuK711"]*pics*

You'll forgive me when I can't take anyone who actually voted no seriously.

foxhound_fox

Drastically differend and new =/= quality. If the logic your using is the case, every FPS, WRPG, and JRPG on the PS3/360 is crap.