Do you think Sony has a better first party than Nintendo?

Not even close imo.

NiNtendo FTW

Not well said. Just take off the Nintendo rose colored glasses for a minute. Some gamers just are not into games with primary colors and cartoon characters anymore. I would much prefer a Uncharted or Infamous game than a Mario or Smash Bros game. I like the adult, realistic characters and story lines more than the one diminsional, cartoon Mario saves the princess again stories that are churned out year after year. But somehow my tastes are distorted.Videodogg

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[QUOTE="ActicEdge"]

That has nothing to do with what is better or not. I hate FPS games but that doesn't mean that I can go around saying Dora the explorer games are "BETTER" because I like colour and not mindless shooting. This isn't about taste, its about looking at something objectively and trying to remove your tastes from the equation. Also, there is nothing adult about anything Sony produces for the most part. Being adult is not something you strive for, you can't be an adult if you're concerned about being an adult.

"Critics who treat 'adult' as a term of approval, instead of as a merely descriptive term, cannot be adult themselves. To be concerned about being grown up, to admire the grown up because it is grown up, to blush at the suspicion of being childish; these things are the marks of childhood and adolescence. And in childhood and adolescence they are, in moderation, healthy symptoms. Young things ought to want to grow. But to carry on into middle life or even into early manhood this concern about being adult is a mark of really arrested development. When I was ten, I read fairy tales in secret and would have been ashamed if I had been found doing so. Now that I am fifty I read them openly. When I became a man I put away childish things, including the fear of childishness and the desire to be very grown up." ~ C. S. Lewis

I absolutely adore this quote. It is so hard to argue against it because of its truthfulness and it is so easy to use in System Wars arguments regarding "kiddy Nintendo"

Microsoft.

[QUOTE="Videodogg"]Not well said. Just take off the Nintendo rose colored glasses for a minute. Some gamers just are not into games with primary colors and cartoon characters anymore. I would much prefer a Uncharted or Infamous game than a Mario or Smash Bros game. I like the adult, realistic characters and story lines more than the one diminsional, cartoon Mario saves the princess again stories that are churned out year after year. But somehow my tastes are distorted.foxhound_fox

speaking of build quality.. Tell me a Playstation system that didn't have issues? Compare that to Nintendo consoles and you see who's boss. I'm on my second PS3 from faulty hardware.

[QUOTE="Pikminmaniac"]

[QUOTE="Nintendo_Ownes7"]I agree with that last part of the post.

"Critics who treat 'adult' as a term of approval, instead of as a merely descriptive term, cannot be adult themselves. To be concerned about being grown up, to admire the grown up because it is grown up, to blush at the suspicion of being childish; these things are the marks of childhood and adolescence. And in childhood and adolescence they are, in moderation, healthy symptoms. Young things ought to want to grow. But to carry on into middle life or even into early manhood this concern about being adult is a mark of really arrested development. When I was ten, I read fairy tales in secret and would have been ashamed if I had been found doing so. Now that I am fifty I read them openly. When I became a man I put away childish things, including the fear of childishness and the desire to be very grown up." ~ C. S. Lewis

gaming25

I absolutely adore this quote. It is so hard to argue against it because of its truthfulness and it is so easy to use in System Wars arguments regarding "kiddy Nintendo"

Please. Its the mark of self concious. He cares about primary colours and cartoony. This isn't about what you like and don't like. Its about who's good and who's better. I don't like Kobe Bryant but are you gonna sit here and tell me that like some player who averages like 5 points a game is better then him at basketball because he has a better personality when that is not at all related to the topic. I can objectively look at Sony and Nintendo, remove my love for Nintendo franchises and still see its painfully obvious that Nintendo makes better games then Sony. If you disgree let's have a mature debate about it but throwing around words like adult, kiddy, colourful, mature is just dodging the issue because you have nothing worthwhile to contribute.

I prefer Sony's first party in this generation, but Nintendo's is pretty damn epic.

Overall: Nintendo

This gen: Sony

NaveedLife

hmmm....i kinda disagree.

there's not much change of franchise for Ninty ever since the NES/SNES. they have stuck with the same franchises each gen.

Sony has franchises that differ from each gen. there are games from PS1, PS2, PS3, and PSP that are only exclusive to that system. on PS1 alone i can think of dozens of exclusives that are just found on it.

[QUOTE="gaming25"][QUOTE="Pikminmaniac"]

I absolutely adore this quote. It is so hard to argue against it because of its truthfulness and it is so easy to use in System Wars arguments regarding "kiddy Nintendo"

Please. Its the mark of self concious. He cares about primary colours and cartoony. This isn't about what you like and don't like. Its about who's good and who's better. I don't like Kobe Bryant but are you gonna sit here and tell me that like some player who averages like 5 points a game is better then him at basketball because he has a better personality when that is not at all related to the topic. I can objectively look at Sony and Nintendo, remove my love for Nintendo franchises and still see its painfully obvious that Nintendo makes better games then Sony. If you disgree let's have a mature debate about it but throwing around words like adult, kiddy, colourful, mature is just dodging the issue because you have nothing worthwhile to contribute.

[QUOTE="foxhound_fox"]The only people who would think otherwise are 1) people who have never played a non-Sony game, 2) people who think being "mature" involves playing "M-rated" games, or 3) Sony fanboys who have a distorted view on what makes a game "good." Nintendo's first party offerings are LEAPS AND BOUNDS greater than anything else out there. They input a level of detail and intricacy that other developers could only imagine having the talent to pull off. And their ability to polish games to near perfection and make them accessible yet challenging is something most game developers these days have no understanding about. I do think Retro Studios however, does have the edge over any other development studio within Nintendo right now. They have a team of dedicated individuals who know how to express their vision for a game in an astonishingly detailed manner. The amount of blood, sweat, tears and love they put into a game shows in how well it plays, and the absolutely INSANE amount of detail in the environments they build.rumbalumba

rrrriiiight. let's discredit some of the best games from PS1, PS2, PSP, and now PS3. i could list a ton of exclusives for each system that are excellent and superb games.

dont get me wrong (and i know youre a lem, doing anything to downplay Sony), i love Ninty and their games but the exclusives that Sony hsa pumped out all the way from PS1 to the PS3 differ from each other as opposed to Ninty's same franchises year-in and year-out.

from the PS1 alone, the Tekkens, the Metal Gears, the Resident Evils, the Silent Hills, the Crash Bandicoots, the Spyros, the Gran Turismos, the Final Fantasy's, the Twisted Metals, the Symphony of the Night, the Xenogears, the Dance Dance Revolutions, the Wipeouts, the Syphon Filters, the Tenchus, etc. of course, some of the games were ported but it was years after the first games were released.

and the PS2 had the Ico, Shadow of the Collosus, again the Metal Gears, Gran Turismos, the Final Fantasy's, the Jak and Daxters, the Ratchet and Clanks, the Socoms, the Kingdom Hearts, the God Of Wars, the Zone of the Enders, the Sly Coopers, etc.

tons of exclusives for Sony and just full-blown variety. there's a game for every gamer.

face palm.

80% of the games you listed are not first party. Do you even know what first party is?

rrrriiiight. let's discredit some of the best games from PS1, PS2, PSP, and now PS3. i could list a ton of exclusives for each system that are excellent and superb games.

dont get me wrong (and i know youre a lem, doing anything to downplay Sony), i love Ninty and their games but the exclusives that Sony hsa pumped out all the way from PS1 to the PS3 differ from each other as opposed to Ninty's same franchises year-in and year-out.

from the PS1 alone, the Tekkens, the Metal Gears, the Resident Evils, the Silent Hills, the Crash Bandicoots, the Spyros, the Gran Turismos, the Final Fantasy's, the Twisted Metals, the Symphony of the Night, the Xenogears, the Dance Dance Revolutions, the Wipeouts, the Syphon Filters, the Tenchus, etc. of course, some of the games were ported but it was years after the first games were released.

and the PS2 had the Ico, Shadow of the Collosus, again the Metal Gears, Gran Turismos, the Final Fantasy's, the Jak and Daxters, the Ratchet and Clanks, the Socoms, the Kingdom Hearts, the God Of Wars, the Zone of the Enders, the Sly Coopers, etc.

tons of exclusives for Sony and just full-blown variety. there's a game for every gamer.

rumbalumba

Red = not first party. Most of them aren't even exclusive to Sony anymore. I guess you just proved everyone how well Sony's first party stacks against Nintendo's. :|

[QUOTE="ActicEdge"]

[QUOTE="gaming25"] He never said that the games are only for kids. He said that it was cartoony and have a strong use of primary colors, both are true. gaming25

Please. Its the mark of self concious. He cares about primary colours and cartoony. This isn't about what you like and don't like. Its about who's good and who's better. I don't like Kobe Bryant but are you gonna sit here and tell me that like some player who averages like 5 points a game is better then him at basketball because he has a better personality when that is not at all related to the topic. I can objectively look at Sony and Nintendo, remove my love for Nintendo franchises and still see its painfully obvious that Nintendo makes better games then Sony. If you disgree let's have a mature debate about it but throwing around words like adult, kiddy, colourful, mature is just dodging the issue because you have nothing worthwhile to contribute.

Yeah, me and Foxhound don't agree on many things but if you read this thread we have had the exact same stance on his posts which are . . they are completely dodging the issue at hand. I don't care if he didn't respond to me, I'm calling out something that I am finding waaaaay off base. That's just how its gonna be sorry.

Games like U2 and DS are good games, no one is denying they are, I haven't, Foxhound hasn't no one has so please, do not put your spin on what this is actually about. The thread while still subjective (which I have pretty much already said it is) still has to be grounded in the topic at hand which isn't about me liking cartoony more then realistic or vice versa. Its about the quality of the games and the aspects that are going to make them "better". That's where the debate is subjective, primary colors and notions of being mature are just crap that is meant to put a whim of superiority and not address the real issue. Sorry/

Depends on taste. I'm more of a Uncharted/GoW/MGS/Team ICO/Killzone/Infamous guy than a mario/zelda/metriod guy at the moment.

I don't like most Ips of Nintendo and the one I liked the most, Kirby, got screwed this gen IMO. There's only one first party Nintendo title I cared enough to finish: Paper Mario. And I did play some Mario Kart from time to time. Rest was rather bad IMO. Sony on the other hand delivered this gen, I enjoy most of Sonys games, yo I go with Sony

Barcelona is to Manchester united as Sony is to Nintendo

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Sony, they seem to be more foward looking and willing to try new things. Nintendo seems to be too comfortable with their past line of sucessful franchises.

khoofia_pika

I don't think anyone will remember Sony's exclusives 10 years down the line like for Nintendo's exclusives.

rrrriiiight. let's discredit some of the best games from PS1, PS2, PSP, and now PS3. i could list a ton of exclusives for each system that are excellent and superb games.

dont get me wrong (and i know youre a lem, doing anything to downplay Sony), i love Ninty and their games but the exclusives that Sony hsa pumped out all the way from PS1 to the PS3 differ from each other as opposed to Ninty's same franchises year-in and year-out.

from the PS1 alone, the Tekkens,the Metal Gears,the Resident Evils, the Silent Hills, the Crash Bandicoots, the Spyros, the Gran Turismos, the Final Fantasy's, the Twisted Metals, the Symphony of the Night, the Xenogears, the Dance Dance Revolutions, the Wipeouts, the Syphon Filters, the Tenchus, etc. of course, some of the games were ported but it was years after the first games were released.

and the PS2 had the Ico, Shadow of the Collosus, again the Metal Gears, Gran Turismos, the Final Fantasy's, the Jak and Daxters, the Ratchet and Clanks, the Socoms, the Kingdom Hearts, the God Of Wars, the Zone of the Enders, the Sly Coopers, etc.

tons of exclusives for Sony and just full-blown variety. there's a game for every gamer.rumbalumba

LMAO! Those games I have highlighted in bold doesn't even belong to Sony, & like waltefmoney said, they're not exclusive to Sony's platforms anymore. And neither Crash Bandicoot or Spyro are exclusive to PS systems anymore & have went to other platforms since the PS2/GC/Xbox era.

rrrriiiight. let's discredit some of the best games from PS1, PS2, PSP, and now PS3. i could list a ton of exclusives for each system that are excellent and superb games.

dont get me wrong (and i know youre a lem, doing anything to downplay Sony), i love Ninty and their games but the exclusives that Sony hsa pumped out all the way from PS1 to the PS3 differ from each other as opposed to Ninty's same franchises year-in and year-out.

from the PS1 alone, the Tekkens, the Metal Gears, the Resident Evils, the Silent Hills, the Crash Bandicoots, the Spyros, the Gran Turismos, the Final Fantasy's, the Twisted Metals, the Symphony of the Night, the Xenogears, the Dance Dance Revolutions, the Wipeouts, the Syphon Filters, the Tenchus, etc. of course, some of the games were ported but it was years after the first games were released.

and the PS2 had the Ico, Shadow of the Collosus, again the Metal Gears, Gran Turismos, the Final Fantasy's, the Jak and Daxters, the Ratchet and Clanks, the Socoms, the Kingdom Hearts, the God Of Wars, the Zone of the Enders, the Sly Coopers, etc.

tons of exclusives for Sony and just full-blown variety. there's a game for every gamer.

rumbalumba

You know the bolded franchises aren't first party, right?

[QUOTE="gaming25"][QUOTE="ActicEdge"]

Please. Its the mark of self concious. He cares about primary colours and cartoony. This isn't about what you like and don't like. Its about who's good and who's better. I don't like Kobe Bryant but are you gonna sit here and tell me that like some player who averages like 5 points a game is better then him at basketball because he has a better personality when that is not at all related to the topic. I can objectively look at Sony and Nintendo, remove my love for Nintendo franchises and still see its painfully obvious that Nintendo makes better games then Sony. If you disgree let's have a mature debate about it but throwing around words like adult, kiddy, colourful, mature is just dodging the issue because you have nothing worthwhile to contribute.

ActicEdge

Yeah, me and Foxhound don't agree on many things but if you read this thread we have had the exact same stance on his posts which are . . they are completely dodging the issue at hand. I don't care if he didn't respond to me, I'm calling out something that I am finding waaaaay off base. That's just how its gonna be sorry.

Games like U2 and DS are good games, no one is denying they are, I haven't, Foxhound hasn't no one has so please, do not put your spin on what this is actually about. The thread while still subjective (which I have pretty much already said it is) still has to be grounded in the topic at hand which isn't about me liking cartoony more then realistic or vice versa. Its about the quality of the games and the aspects that are going to make them "better". That's where the debate is subjective, primary colors and notions of being mature are just crap that is meant to put a whim of superiority and not address the real issue. Sorry/

So if he said, "oh yeah, they are more quality" it would be ok? Whether you like it or not ithas a lot to do with preference, which is exactly what he gave.

for me yes sony is better, for everyone else idc i don't have to play the games they like.

technically N is prolly the best franchise creator.

The question was "Do you think Sony has better first party games than Nintendo?"

My answer is yes, along with many others. But you cant accept that answer or at least my reasons for what i like and dont like.

Somehow you think Nintendo games sit on some pedestal above all others because of some mystical gameplay genius or polish, If anyone disagrees you dismiss them as gamers with distorted values. Those are your words.

My distorted values include games with adult characters who actually speak, involving story lines, modern graphics and include polished gameplay such as what series like Uncharted, Infamous, God of War provide. Even the Killzone series is much preferable to me over any Nintendo first party game, because they can provide thrills and action and multiplayer far above what a Mario or Smash Bros game can provide to me.

Oh, and i do enjoy the Little Big Planet series more than Mario games too, just to let you know i can appreciate a non graphic, porno ridden game that you seem to categorizewith the word adult or mature.

[QUOTE="ActicEdge"]

[QUOTE="gaming25"] First of all, he never responded to you, he responded to another user's comment that said that people who think that Sonys first party is better is because they never played a non Sony game and think that its cool to like grown up games. And no, this is still a subjective debate. Games like UC2 and Demon Souls are top of the line games just like nintendo's games. Although I think that Nintendo might have a better first party, Sony to me has a much more diverse first party lineup.gaming25

Yeah, me and Foxhound don't agree on many things but if you read this thread we have had the exact same stance on his posts which are . . they are completely dodging the issue at hand. I don't care if he didn't respond to me, I'm calling out something that I am finding waaaaay off base. That's just how its gonna be sorry.

Games like U2 and DS are good games, no one is denying they are, I haven't, Foxhound hasn't no one has so please, do not put your spin on what this is actually about. The thread while still subjective (which I have pretty much already said it is) still has to be grounded in the topic at hand which isn't about me liking cartoony more then realistic or vice versa. Its about the quality of the games and the aspects that are going to make them "better". That's where the debate is subjective, primary colors and notions of being mature are just crap that is meant to put a whim of superiority and not address the real issue. Sorry/

So if he said, "oh yeah, they are more quality" it would be ok? Whether you like it or not ithas a lot to do with preference, which is exactly what he gave.

It really shouldn't has much to do with preference. It should be searching for more objective accepted principles to base your opinion on but anywa. This is going no where fast.

The question was "Do you think Sony has better first party games than Nintendo?"

My answer is yes, along with many others. But you cant accept that answer or at least my reasons for what i like and dont like.

Somehow you think Nintendo games sit on some pedestal above all others because of some mystical gameplay genius or polish, If anyone disagrees you dismiss them as gamers with distorted values. Those are your words.

My distorted values include games with adult characters who actually speak, involving story lines, modern graphics and include polished gameplay such as what series like Uncharted, Infamous, God of War provide. Even the Killzone series is much preferable to me over any Nintendo first party game, because they can provide thrills and action and multiplayer far above what a Mario or Smash Bros game can provide to me.

Oh, and i do enjoy the Little Big Planet series more than Mario games too, just to let you know i can appreciate a non graphic, porno ridden game that you seem to categorizewith the word adult or mature.

Videodogg

Wow, TC said nothing of the sort. Those quite literally are your words, not his.

Also lol, Uncharted, Infamous and GoW are totally not top of their class in any sense of the words. Followers, not leaders, all they are, all they ever will be, follewers with lots of money thrown at them. There is nothing wrong with the preference of story, older characters you can relate too and shiny graphics but please, if that's what you want you can dooooo muuuuuuuuch better then what Sony has made this gen. If you want something as polished in gameplay as SMG, or level design as DKCR, or as cuddly and inviting as Kirby's Epic Yarn, something as in your face awesome as Sin and Punishment 2, something as time sink worthy as Pokemon, Nintendo games are consistently top of the class and they do it without money thrown at making them great. Remove the stupid amount of money thrown at Sony games this gen and for the most part you're left with nothing special.

But hey R2 got a 9 here, its not like the community despised the game or anything. LBP 1 & 2 got 9s, not like the platforming community is still waiting for a piece of competent platforming glory to suck us in. Etc, etc. I have no problem with liking Sony more I very much enjoyed games like U2 and Heavenly Sword but you need more then what "I" like to fuel this kind of debate.

(and i know youre a lem, doing anything to downplay Sony)rumbalumba

[QUOTE="rumbalumba"](and i know youre a lem, doing anything to downplay Sony)foxhound_fox

Don't you despise MP# just as a side note. Seems everyone but me really didn't like the game at all. I thought it was really well done and a good change of pace for the series.

depends on what you favor

good games -> sony

the best games -> nintendo

[QUOTE="Videodogg"]Not well said. Just take off the Nintendo rose colored glasses for a minute. Some gamers just are not into games with primary colors and cartoon characters anymore. I would much prefer a Uncharted or Infamous game than a Mario or Smash Bros game. I like the adult, realistic characters and story lines more than the one diminsional, cartoon Mario saves the princess again stories that are churned out year after year. But somehow my tastes are distorted.foxhound_fox

Sony make more games I dont despise ... So yeah. Go Sony.

No.

In terms of design? No.

In terms of polish? No.

In terms of making games that last? No.

In terms of being at the head of their genre? No.

You can count the number of developers that come close to Nintendo's first party studios on one hand. And the only Sony studio that might be on that list -mind you, might - is Team Ico.

Nintendo simply for The whole Zelda series. I love my sony games though especially uncharted 2. But zeldas been holding me down since i was like 3

Don't you despise MP# just as a side note. Seems everyone but me really didn't like the game at all. I thought it was really well done and a good change of pace for the series.ActicEdge

Nah Nintendo rocks in 1st party.

Gotta say, I think Mario, Zelda, and Metroid have outscored almost all sony first party games consistently... so no, Ninty still tops sony.

I think Nintendo clearly has the better lineup. I mean, nothing competes against the likes of Zelda, Mario, Metroid, Super Smash, Pokemon. But cows all over the world will argue that Sony has better first part franchises. I mean, only Uncharted and God of War, according to me, will ever be capable of recieving the prestige and acclaim that, say, Zelda or Mario do.

So, I know it's blasphemous to even ask questions lke these, but this as been a topic of discussion on SW before. So... who has a beter first party- Sony or Nintendo?

EDIT: Sorry about the typo in the title! It's been edited.

khoofia_pika

Considering people buys Nintendo's systems knowing only the first party titles will be good, I think they definitely are.

I would say that Nintendo has more mascots then Sony so yeah they do.

Then again Sony has Nathan Drake, Lara Croft (PS1 days), Rachet and Cole.

[QUOTE="ActicEdge"]Don't you despise MP# just as a side note. Seems everyone but me really didn't like the game at all. I thought it was really well done and a good change of pace for the series.foxhound_fox

I never understood the Corruption hate. I like all three games almost equally, but Corruption was a slight notch above the others imo. It was a really well made game and probably the best example of proper motion controls I've experienced.

On topic, Sony has a great first party and I like that they continue to grow, but Nintendos 1st party is unbeatable. I suppose I could flesh out an argument, but is this really worth debating?