Do you think Sony will use the Cell architecture for the PS4?

The new cell is apparentley going to be 32 SPEs and 2 PPEs or even 32 SPEs and 4 PPEs.

Also if Sony were to use a new Cell, then it would make it 100% compatible to PS3 games.

Notice the 32 SPEs and 4 PPEs, 3.8GHz, 1TFLOP which is estimated to come around 2011.

I hope so. This will give advantage for xbox 720.

I hope so. This will give advantage for xbox 720.

crusadernm

what?

I'm sure I remember this being brought up around here before - from what I recall, Sony has said that Cell will not be implemented in next Sony console... there was news to that regard some time ago67gt500

ALL that money into cell a waste.

It would be rather silly not to. Theres tons of power in the current Cell that devs are just barely getting to, why take all that hard work and throw it away for a new architecture? Unless something incredibly awesome comes along i can see them using updated Cells for a few generations.nosmokingbandit

and for your answer, no. They used the emotion engine with the ps2, and the cell for the ps3. This is like saying last gen, "will sony stick with the emotion engine architecture for the ps3?" They will go with another specialized processor, and it will be hard to get into like this gen. The problem with the playstation machines is that, they focus too much on cpu power, and not gpu power. They have learned there mistake from the graphics synthesizer in the ps2, and the rsx in the ps3. Neither one were that great, but They had highly sophisticated cpu's to compensate. So ps4 = unique architecture + beastly gpu.

I think they should, but obviously better ones and more of them (I read that they work together really nicely). This would probably make BC really easy, and that's always good for those launch sales (I'd be much more inclined to adopt early).

That and like a lot more ram. I know the game console is much more specialized than a PC, and thus doesn't require anywhere near the same amount of ram to run a game smoothly, but it's so cheap that this should not be a limiting factor for devs.

Really fast BR drive, plus a fast HDD.

OS control options. What I mean is, stop letting devs dictate what button does what and what options they'll include. Have button mapping be part of the options in the OS, with like 20 different save spots for presets for different games. Full acceleration settings for stick should be included in that as well.

[QUOTE="67gt500"]I'm sure I remember this being brought up around here before - from what I recall, Sony has said that Cell will not be implemented in next Sony console... there was news to that regard some time agocrusadernm

ALL that money into cell a waste.

IBM stopped supporting R&D on it so no. That doesn't mean they'll use a conventional CPU though.hexashadow13

[QUOTE="hexashadow13"]IBM stopped supporting R&D on it so no. That doesn't mean they'll use a conventional CPU though.mystervj

[QUOTE="mystervj"][QUOTE="hexashadow13"]IBM stopped supporting R&D on it so no. That doesn't mean they'll use a conventional CPU though.Fightingfan

Developing and manufacturing are different stories.

They're still manufacturing. They stopped developing though AFAIK after they're #1 in the world supercomputer got beaten.

http://www.thesixthaxis.com/2009/11/23/ibm-halts-cell-processor-development/

Actually, maybe that's not true. Supposedly they denied pulling out.

http://www.itproportal.com/portal/news/article/2009/11/24/ibm-denies-pulling-out-cell-development/

I totally did not know that. Maybe they will use the Cell after all.

I'm sure I remember this being brought up around here before - from what I recall, Sony has said that Cell will not be implemented in next Sony console... there was news to that regard some time ago67gt500

no- its too complex for developers... just look at the multiplats for this generation...

I've heard they are going for a new design. Something like a 100-core CPU capable of real-time ray-tracing would be nice :P

I've heard they are going for a new design. Something like a 100-core CPU capable of real-time ray-tracing would be nice :P

nameless12345

and in 75 years developers can use those cores :P

hehe

but yeah, they need a new developer-friendly design

I have a feeling it will be something unusual. The only thing keeping PS2 and PS3 games from being emulated is the complex architecture.

It would be the best approach to use a buffed up Cell processor instead of relying on other manufacturers; considering they manufactured their own hardwares, which is significantly cheaper.

Whatever they use, they just really need to work with the developers better and have a better relationship this time around.

lets hope they stick two amd hexi cores in there so 12 cores x2 with HT :)Bladex2k

Planning on turning your PS4 into a full time simulator or something?

The Cell has proven to be a underwhelming general purpose processor (not to say it doesnt do its job fanboys, its just not amazing either) and the fact its difficult to develop for I doubt it.

I admittedly do not know much about the Cell, I'm going to go ahead and vote know. Last I knew SONY sold it's stake in the Cell processor. Can't imagine why they would go back and start using it again, it'd just end up costing them more money in royalty fees. ssj4_2004

I thought they already said they were going to use the Cell?

No just like every gen before it Sony will make a new cpu or something and make the developers throw out the book.

I've heard they are going for a new design. Something like a 100-core CPU capable of real-time ray-tracing would be nice :P

nameless12345

They already stated that they wouldn't, so no. They'll probably end up using PowerPC architecture as rumored.

more powerful Cell + powerful GPU is all we need. :)

although, graphics don't mean everything. i mean, look at Mario Galaxy 2. that thing is a perfect 10, even if it's not HD. :)

No just like every gen before it Sony will make a new cpu or something and make the developers throw out the book.

WilliamRLBaker

Are you kidding? Look at the PS1: It was so successful because and developers loved it. Developers loved the PS2 for the same reasons. The PS3 is the exception to the rule.

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No just like every gen before it Sony will make a new cpu or something and make the developers throw out the book.

Blade8Aus

Are you kidding? Look at the PS1: It was so successful because and developers loved it. Developers loved the PS2 for the same reasons. The PS3 is the exception to the rule.

I really hope so. Devs (especially Sony first party devs such as Naughty Dog) are now used to coding with the cell, so keeping with the cell seems a sound move. Though next gen I hope Sony don't skimp out on the GPU, creating a bottleneck like they have with the ps3, they need a GPU thats on the same level as the cell.

No just like every gen before it Sony will make a new cpu or something and make the developers throw out the book.

WilliamRLBaker

You think so?

I hope not, surely they've learnt their lesson this time around!!?? They must also be painfully aware that with MS's XNA, developers will have little to no trouble changing over to the next XBox platform. This is where MS really excels being primarily a software company.

http://www.pcworld.com/article/207285/cell_processor_development_hasnt_stalled_ibm_cto_says.html IBM is still in it but what will it be?

I believe it depends when the PS3 will launch. If we are talking soon say 2012 at the earliest to 2014then a cell structure will be use due to

1. Knowlege
   • Cell coding is being more understood
   • coders are now coding to the metal
   • more tools are being made and used
   • More engines are taking advantage ofcell ability
2. Ease of production and cost
   • cell is now at 45nm and will shrink again or will add the GPU to it
   • speed at which they can have the chip produced
   • cost to make the chip would be simular to now

The power will not be the exact same,andwill bebetween an PowerXcell 8i and a power7 chip. But something that I think will be easily backward compatable.

• say a 3 chip PowerXcellon a single chip (6 cells each or 8 cells each)
• in addition maybe each PowerXcell will have a GPU conected to each CPU
• OR an off chip GPU which is a lot more powerful.

In the end it would be cost effective if Sony is going to do it soon. BUT IF LATER I expect PS4 to not use the cell but a speciallized Power 8 chip. and PowerVR for the GPU. THUS Sony would have a lot of input and hands on with its development.

The PS4 will have 2 CELL processors and 14 SPUs. LOL

On a more serious note, I'm sure it'll be something totally new and different. Just as it was from PS2 to PS3.