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#1 reachrocksman
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Microsoft is already finalizing hardware (AMD Fusion) for the nextbox. I think its possible for them to release it holiday 2012.

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#3 soulitane
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Do you have a link for microsoft finalizing? It's possible but I'm hoping for 2013 or later.
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#4 waltefmoney
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Doubt it, they just released a hardware peripheral.

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if they ditch 360 soon that's stupid as hell, actually no developers have built graphics engines from scratch to take advantage of the console.

it's gonna be one of the most underused pieces of hardware ever.

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#6 soulitane
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if they ditch 360 soon that's stupid as hell, actually no developers have built graphics engines from scratch to take advantage of the console.

it's gonna be one of the most underused pieces of hardware ever.

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It's all to do with money when they make a new one not the hardware being peaked.
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#7 doom4dukenukem
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[QUOTE="doom4dukenukem"]

if they ditch 360 soon that's stupid as hell, actually no developers have built graphics engines from scratch to take advantage of the console.

it's gonna be one of the most underused pieces of hardware ever.

soulitane

It's all to do with money when they make a new one not the hardware being peaked.

They will lose money.

They need some quality exclusives built from scratch actually built to show what this **** can do.

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#8 doom4dukenukem
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If 360 doesnt recieve some exclusive's with actual engines built only for 360 i feel 360 was a waste of time to begin with.

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#9 doom4dukenukem
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you people see what im talking about?

UNCHARTED 1/2/3 same engine, but it was built only for use on ps3.

gears of war uses the unreal engine 3 which is a multiplatform engine not originally designed only for 360.

THIS IS THE SADEST **** EVER

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#10 reachrocksman
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[QUOTE="soulitane"][QUOTE="doom4dukenukem"]

if they ditch 360 soon that's stupid as hell, actually no developers have built graphics engines from scratch to take advantage of the console.

it's gonna be one of the most underused pieces of hardware ever.

doom4dukenukem

It's all to do with money when they make a new one not the hardware being peaked.

They will lose money.

They need some quality exclusives built from scratch actually built to show what this **** can do.

The console is 5 damn years old. Who cares what it can do at this point, Id rather see what the NEXT system can do.....
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#11 D1zzyCriminal
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Kinect will be compatable witht e next gen, but M$ are going to get the most out of this generation before they jump ship completely.

I think Nintendoa re going to make the first move, and the rest will follow.

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#12 doom4dukenukem
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[QUOTE="doom4dukenukem"]

[QUOTE="soulitane"] It's all to do with money when they make a new one not the hardware being peaked.reachrocksman

They will lose money.

They need some quality exclusives built from scratch actually built to show what this **** can do.

The console is 5 damn years old. Who cares what it can do at this point, Id rather see what the NEXT system can do.....

Ummm Nes lasted 10 years.

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#13 soulitane
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you people see what im talking about?

UNCHARTED 1/2/3 same engine, but it was built only for use on ps3.

gears of war uses the unreal engine 3 which is a multiplatform engine not originally designed only for 360.

THIS IS THE SADEST **** EVER

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I saw what you said the first time, there's no need to keep repeating yourself.
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HMM NES=1985....donkey kong country=1994 actually best graphics the console ever seen in a 2d platformer.

almost 10 years later lol.

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[QUOTE="doom4dukenukem"]

you people see what im talking about?

UNCHARTED 1/2/3 same engine, but it was built only for use on ps3.

gears of war uses the unreal engine 3 which is a multiplatform engine not originally designed only for 360.

THIS IS THE SADEST **** EVER

soulitane

I saw what you said the first time, there's no need to keep repeating yourself.

i do need to repeat myself because WHERE'S THE **** 360 GRAPHICS ENGINE'S? IT'S UNFAIR PS3 GAMERS GET CUSTOM TAILORED SOFTWARE AND 360 DOESNT.

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#16 reachrocksman
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HMM NES=1985....donkey kong country=1994 actually best graphics the console ever seen in a 2d platformer.

almost 10 years later lol.

doom4dukenukem
As if thats relevant to the 360....
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#17 doom4dukenukem
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[QUOTE="doom4dukenukem"]

HMM NES=1985....donkey kong country=1994 actually best graphics the console ever seen in a 2d platformer.

almost 10 years later lol.

reachrocksman

As if thats relevant to the 360....

it's pointless for next gen dude.

they havent even used the hardware in the current gen consoles.

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#18 reachrocksman
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[QUOTE="reachrocksman"][QUOTE="doom4dukenukem"]

HMM NES=1985....donkey kong country=1994 actually best graphics the console ever seen in a 2d platformer.

almost 10 years later lol.

doom4dukenukem

As if thats relevant to the 360....

it's pointless for next gen dude.

they havent even used the hardware in the current gen consoles.

Yes they have.

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#19 soulitane
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[QUOTE="soulitane"][QUOTE="doom4dukenukem"]

you people see what im talking about?

UNCHARTED 1/2/3 same engine, but it was built only for use on ps3.

gears of war uses the unreal engine 3 which is a multiplatform engine not originally designed only for 360.

THIS IS THE SADEST **** EVER

doom4dukenukem

I saw what you said the first time, there's no need to keep repeating yourself.

i do need to repeat myself because WHERE'S THE **** 360 GRAPHICS ENGINE'S? IT'S UNFAIR PS3 GAMERS GET CUSTOM TAILORED SOFTWARE AND 360 DOESNT.

Saying all this on system wars will not help anything, it's not like Microsoft reads these posts. Also it's not unfair, it's business, Microsoft and Sony approach this business different ways.
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#20 doom4dukenukem
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[QUOTE="doom4dukenukem"]

[QUOTE="reachrocksman"] As if thats relevant to the 360....reachrocksman

it's pointless for next gen dude.

they havent even used the hardware in the current gen consoles.

Yes they have.

no, xbox360 can do much better graphics than what it's done already it's just no games have graphics engines to use it's hardware.

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#22 reachrocksman
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[QUOTE="reachrocksman"]

[QUOTE="doom4dukenukem"]

it's pointless for next gen dude.

they havent even used the hardware in the current gen consoles.

doom4dukenukem

Yes they have.

no, xbox360 can do much better graphics than what it's done already it's just no games have graphics engines to use it's hardware.

This tech is 5 years old. Its dated and its showing, and we have to move on. With new hardware, MUCH better games can be made with improvements to Ai, physics, graphics, 1080p native games, etc... We need to move on to better tech.

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#23 doom4dukenukem
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unreal engine 3=2004 tech xbox360 hardware=2005 tech.

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#24 doom4dukenukem
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unreal engine 3 was completed before xbox360's hardware was even finalized.

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#25 soulitane
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unreal engine 3 was completed before xbox360's hardware was even finalized.

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And it's been updated ever since, could you please stop spamming this thread.
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#26 doom4dukenukem
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unreal engine 3 when first shown on 360 prototype dev's kits didnt even support multicore, the multicore threading in ue3.0 is tacked on.

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#27 doom4dukenukem
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[QUOTE="doom4dukenukem"]

unreal engine 3 was completed before xbox360's hardware was even finalized.

soulitane

And it's been updated ever since, could you please stop spamming this thread.

updating=not same as designed originally for something not as good.

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#28 doom4dukenukem
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hows unreal engine 3 designed for 360 when the engine was originally designed for single core processors?

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#29 doom4dukenukem
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When gears of war was first shown on 360 final dev kit's it was running at about 15 fps, then they added multicore support and updated the framerate.

but still LOL engine's so old it's just tacked on bs it doesnt use every hardware feature in 360.

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maybe wil2
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#31 alextherussian
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hows unreal engine 3 designed for 360 when the engine was originally designed for single core processors?

doom4dukenukem
How is this relevant or not to a new console being released? When a console is released is based on profits made and to be made. Its not about graphics, or sound, its just about money..
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#32 waltefmoney
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Dude, enough triple posting.

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#33 soulitane
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Dude, enough triple posting.

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He'll reach his post limit soon.
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#34 doom4dukenukem
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[QUOTE="doom4dukenukem"]

hows unreal engine 3 designed for 360 when the engine was originally designed for single core processors?

alextherussian

How is this relevant or not to a new console being released? When a console is released is based on profits made and to be made. Its not about graphics, or sound, its just about money..

xbox360 could do way better graphics or physics if the engines were designed to use all of 360's hardware features.

unreal engine 3 has tacked on multicore support and it's missing alot of stuff to use 360's other hardware features they didnt look at all the hardware features and add support before making engine, they's just adding support as they go along.

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#35 alextherussian
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xbox360 could do way better graphics or physics if the engines were designed to use all of 360's hardware features.

unreal engine 3 has tacked on multicore support and it's missing alot of stuff to use 360's other hardware features they didnt look at all the hardware features and add support before making engine, they's just adding support as they go along.

doom4dukenukem

Your not answering the question. So one more time: "How is this relevant or not to a new console being released? When a console is released is based on profits made and to be made. Its not about graphics, or sound, its just about money.."

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[QUOTE="doom4dukenukem"]xbox360 could do way better graphics or physics if the engines were designed to use all of 360's hardware features.

unreal engine 3 has tacked on multicore support and it's missing alot of stuff to use 360's other hardware features they didnt look at all the hardware features and add support before making engine, they's just adding support as they go along.

alextherussian

Your not answering the question. So one more time: "How is this relevant or not to a new console being released? When a console is released is based on profits made and to be made. Its not about graphics, or sound, its just about money.."

only reason people want a new xbox is BETTER GRAPHICS.

when xbox360 could do better graphics if they made engines actually to use it's hardware.

unreal engine 3=designed for support for general stuff, it's not designed for the specific stuff in 360.

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#38 doom4dukenukem
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unreal engine 3=basic direct x 9c engine

microsoft even said xbox360's more of a direct x 9 c + meaning it exceeds dc9x stand features.

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only reason people want a new xbox is BETTER GRAPHICS.

when xbox360 could do better graphics if they made engines actually to use it's hardware.

unreal engine 3=designed for support for general stuff, it's not designed for the specific stuff in 360.

doom4dukenukem

Dont be naive or generalize consumer purchasing behaviours. The approximate 80 Million HD Console owners were not motivated in their purchase by only one factor. Throw in that a new Xbox would deliver better graphics, on average, overall, not specific to one or two games.

..

So in relation to your argument of "Graphics are the only reason" a new xbox would supply that. In terms of a decision by MS, it would depend on Market Forecasts and demand. Aspects that involve many variables. Given that quite a number of years have passed its quite possible the market is ready for a new console.

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#40 ghjdtyhfdvgrgud
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xbox360 has it's own specific API it's not direct x 9 c or direct x 10 or dx11. xbox360 gpu has it's own custom direct x so engines need to be designed specifically for it.
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#41 ghjdtyhfdvgrgud
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[QUOTE="doom4dukenukem"]only reason people want a new xbox is BETTER GRAPHICS.

when xbox360 could do better graphics if they made engines actually to use it's hardware.

unreal engine 3=designed for support for general stuff, it's not designed for the specific stuff in 360.

alextherussian

Dont be naive or generalize consumer purchasing behaviours. The approximate 80 Million HD Console owners were not motivated in their purchase by only one factor. Throw in that a new Xbox would deliver better graphics, on average, overall, not specific to one or two games.

..

So in relation to your argument of "Graphics are the only reason" a new xbox would supply that. In terms of a decision by MS, it would depend on Market Forecasts and demand. Aspects that involve many variables. Given that quite a number of years have passed its quite possible the market is ready for a new console.

tell me when u want another xbox other than better graphics? u know im right only reason people want wii 2 is for better graphics.
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#42 ghjdtyhfdvgrgud
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xbox360 has it's own specific API it's not direct x 9 c or direct x 10 or dx11. xbox360 gpu has it's own custom direct x so engines need to be designed specifically for it. GEARS OF WAR 3=NOT CLOSE TO THE BEST GRAPHICS XBOX360 CAN DO.
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#43 ghjdtyhfdvgrgud
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We have direct x 11 video cards, but no game's built to use all of dx11 features. same deal's happening with xbox360. dx9 engines with tacked on dx11 support arent using dx11 to it's best extent. dx9 engines with tacked on xbox360 gpu custom api isnt using it to it's best extent
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#45 Ilikemyname420
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Don't see why not, that's when the world ends so they really have nothing to lose.... :P

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#46 ghjdtyhfdvgrgud
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Yep bad company 2,dirt 2 and alien vs predator is the best direct x 11 can do...it's time to move onto direct x 12 baby. yea let's do that considering those are dx9 designed games with tacked on dx11 effects like better shadows or lighting YAY.
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#47 iano-87
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HMM NES=1985....donkey kong country=1994 actually best graphics the console ever seen in a 2d platformer.

almost 10 years later lol.

doom4dukenukem

donkey kong country was a SNES game for your information. And you just need to say something once, not three or four times.

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#48 ghjdtyhfdvgrgud
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direct x 11 is maxed out see http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-uavLefzDuQ That's really worth buying a direct x 11 card for if u own a dx10 card isnt it?
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#49 ghjdtyhfdvgrgud
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[QUOTE="doom4dukenukem"]

HMM NES=1985....donkey kong country=1994 actually best graphics the console ever seen in a 2d platformer.

almost 10 years later lol.

iano-87

donkey kong country was a SNES game for your information. And you just need to say something once, not three or four times.

i know i forgot LOLZ.
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[QUOTE="alextherussian"]

[QUOTE="doom4dukenukem"]only reason people want a new xbox is BETTER GRAPHICS.

when xbox360 could do better graphics if they made engines actually to use it's hardware.

unreal engine 3=designed for support for general stuff, it's not designed for the specific stuff in 360.

ghjdtyhfdvgrgud

Dont be naive or generalize consumer purchasing behaviours. The approximate 80 Million HD Console owners were not motivated in their purchase by only one factor. Throw in that a new Xbox would deliver better graphics, on average, overall, not specific to one or two games.

..

So in relation to your argument of "Graphics are the only reason" a new xbox would supply that. In terms of a decision by MS, it would depend on Market Forecasts and demand. Aspects that involve many variables. Given that quite a number of years have passed its quite possible the market is ready for a new console.

tell me when u want another xbox other than better graphics? u know im right only reason people want wii 2 is for better graphics.

Gamers like you are sad, it's all about the graphics for you.

Most people want new consoles for way more than graphics.

I for one am looking forward to the Wii2 to see how Nintendo makes the Wiimote + Nunchuk more compact and accurate, to see their online service, and most importantly the games that will be on it (F-Zero! StarFox!).