do you think they will finish the too human trilogy?

No, you asked why wouldn't they create a trilogy did you not? I said if it flops in sales why would they make a trilogy. You asked, I answered.

darthogre

Why, because some systemwars people said it was a great game? Or are you believing the "my local Wal-Mart is out so it must be a million seller"? I'm not saying it's impossible for it to sell a million in ONE week but everytime I ask why people post that it's sold over a million it's always "I saw a guy post about 1 million preorders" or "my local store is all out....that means it's out nation wide!!!".

It's like the damage control on the game is the sales that no one can prove or disprove.

darthogre

[QUOTE="carljohnson3456"][QUOTE="musicalmac"][QUOTE="darthogre"]

[QUOTE="musicalmac"]Why not complete the trilogy?darthogre

Is that a serious question?

The easy answer is can their money be spent on something that will bring them more revenue. All scores aside, if the game doesn't make MS enough money they are not going to make a trilogy. That's like asking New Line to make a trilogy of the Golden Compass......it flopped in the US big time so why should they feel they need to complete the trilogy if it's not giong to make them money?

I would like to see the sales for that game. I wouldnt doubt it already being a million seller.

Why, because some systemwars people said it was a great game? Or are you believing the "my local Wal-Mart is out so it must be a million seller"? I'm not saying it's impossible for it to sell a million in ONE week but everytime I ask why people post that it's sold over a million it's always "I saw a guy post about 1 million preorders" or "my local store is all out....that means it's out nation wide!!!".

It's like the damage control on the game is the sales that no one can prove or disprove.

Uhhh.... what?

Only reason I said I wouldnt doubt it being a million seller is because it was a super hyped exclusive for the 360. I didnt say anything about some random system war poster saying it was great did I?

I didnt say it did sell over a million, just saying I wouldnt be surprised. You seem to be getting upset over this, or taking it personal. Trust me, I'm staying away from the game too, but I'm not going to jump on someone for saying they wouldnt doubt it selling a million already. :|

[QUOTE="darthogre"]

Honestly I would like you to explain this thought process please. What does the name of the game have anything to with whether or not they should invest in the trilogy? I'll ask you, why should they finish the trilogy.....because it's called Too Human? Is that all you got?

musicalmac

I guess because your question doesn't make sense (at least to me). Why make Too Human a trilogy.....you anwer is because it's Too Human. That's more of a statement rather than an answer.

but seriously it would help if I could understand your point. What does the title of a game have anything to do with whether or not MS should invest in a trilogy?

they should scrap it i mean the first game was flopzorzzz! but i bet all lemmings will come and say nooo teh sequelz will be teh better etc etc.

well i say to you. if killzone 1 flopped (better score than too human) then whats stopping the sequel being better?

think about that before you bash killzone 2 next time and try say too human 2 will be better than the first.

superjim42

This guy has a point and like GG i think SK should have a chance to redeem themselves. Iam a big shooter and action/rpg fan i would like to see what they can do with the sequel and hopefully this time implement 4 player-coop.

I hope they do..I really enjoyed the game. Other than getting overwhelmed in fights it was alot of fun. I enjoyed the setting and the story. Game play was fluent and easy to control with alot of different attacks and spells. I really liked the sentient weapon that was fun.

To all the people that say you can not like this game because it is garbage need to shut it. I enjoyed it. So bring on the other 2 games.

of course they will. a good amount of people bought it and loved it, i see this game breaking 1 million. i love it, 45 hours in with 3 characters, level 50, 25, 21.

I just hope they fix the combat a bit, 4 palyer coop, camera and more variety of levels and enemies. and make the story bigger, this game ended when the story gets interesting...

I guess because your question doesn't make sense (at least to me). Why make Too Human a trilogy.....you anwer is because it's Too Human. That's more of a statement rather than an answer.

but seriously it would help if I could understand your point. What does the title of a game have anything to do with whether or not MS should invest in a trilogy?

darthogre

[QUOTE="darthogre"]

No, you asked why wouldn't they create a trilogy did you not? I said if it flops in sales why would they make a trilogy. You asked, I answered.

musicalmac

Why, because some systemwars people said it was a great game? Or are you believing the "my local Wal-Mart is out so it must be a million seller"? I'm not saying it's impossible for it to sell a million in ONE week but everytime I ask why people post that it's sold over a million it's always "I saw a guy post about 1 million preorders" or "my local store is all out....that means it's out nation wide!!!".

It's like the damage control on the game is the sales that no one can prove or disprove.

darthogre

Actually I made a post about this yesterday, that's why I find it funny when people keep saying "it's already a million seller" type of statements. The reason why I posted was because no one can prove or disprove the sales......so saying it "probably" sold or "probably did not" is not factual in any way. I made no admission to anything....I said no one can prove or disprove the sales, yet you have a ton of people posting how it made such huge preorder sales or huge 1st week sales. These post seem to always be the anwer to the critics score. That's why I say it's damage control, because no one knows what it has sold.

And I noticed you still have yet to explain why they should make the trilogy. Your answer was because it was Too Human, what does that have anything to do with it. By your response it seems you think it sold great, which is why you think they should make the trilogy, correct? If that's the case why not just STATE that and not play games. If you think it's going to sale well which would give them a reason to complete the trilogy, why play games and answer "because it's Too Human"? Is this another systemwars thing where people are afraid to give their opinion incase they are proven wrong?

And I noticed you still have yet to explain why they should make the trilogy. Your answer was because it was Too Human, what does that have anything to do with it. By your response it seems you think it sold great, which is why you think they should make the trilogy, correct? If that's the case why not just STATE that and not play games. If you think it's going to sale well which would give them a reason to complete the trilogy, why play games and answer "because it's Too Human"? Is this another systemwars thing where people are afraid to give their opinion incase they are proven wrong?

darthogre

I think they will (as someone else said, Microsoft said they are committed to it) and I am happy about that. I've been playing it for a good 12 hours (still not done with the game) and am getting more and more into it.

Call me a diehard fanboy who lies about it enjoying it, I couldn't care less. People need to realize that just because a game gets panned in the media, other people can still like it.

[QUOTE="darthogre"]

And I noticed you still have yet to explain why they should make the trilogy. Your answer was because it was Too Human, what does that have anything to do with it. By your response it seems you think it sold great, which is why you think they should make the trilogy, correct? If that's the case why not just STATE that and not play games. If you think it's going to sale well which would give them a reason to complete the trilogy, why play games and answer "because it's Too Human"? Is this another systemwars thing where people are afraid to give their opinion incase they are proven wrong?

musicalmac

:lol: I lol'd at this. Such short, sweet, and simple reply, yet so effective.

[QUOTE="darthogre"]

I guess because your question doesn't make sense (at least to me). Why make Too Human a trilogy.....you anwer is because it's Too Human. That's more of a statement rather than an answer.

but seriously it would help if I could understand your point. What does the title of a game have anything to do with whether or not MS should invest in a trilogy?

musicalmac

yes totally different game. But you would agree this is a business, wouldn't you? If the production costs and marketing do not give you a decent return on investment, why would MS invest in a trilogy? Because fans want them too?

Of course we don't know the amount of sales for Too Human yet but I find it funny how everyone is so sure this game is going to be a million seller (or more). All I'm saying is it's premature to say "It must have a trilogy" because you dont' know what it has or is going to sale. Whether or not Too Human is different from Advent Rising in gameplay, you judge success the same way. It has to succede inorder to get the trilogy I would think. maybe I'm wrong, MS will just do it for the fans........but that seems to be competely oppsite of what they have done prior.

In the END nobody knows if they will make a trilogy out of this game. Yes Micro said they are committed and SK said there planning already on TH 2 but a lot can change with in months or years al la Heavenly Sword so until it releases.

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Oh yea die hard TH fans the game really was not that good just deal with it just like Killzone 1 fans all were in the minority and we all know majority rules.

yes totally different game. But you would agree this is a business, wouldn't you? If the production costs and marketing do not give you a decent return on investment, why would MS invest in a trilogy? Because fans want them too?

Of course we don't know the amount of sales for Too Human yet but I find it funny how everyone is so sure this game is going to be a million seller (or more). All I'm saying is it's premature to say "It must have a trilogy" because you dont' know what it has or is going to sale. Whether or not Too Human is different from Advent Rising in gameplay, you judge success the same way. It has to succede inorder to get the trilogy I would think. maybe I'm wrong, MS will just do it for the fans........but that seems to be competely oppsite of what they have done prior.

darthogre

A question to be asked after we see the NPD numbers for the month,

Even though "we" as gamers may feel its not great, who is to say how it will do sales wise? If it bombs in sales I would imagine that creating a second one is not likely.

However just from going into EB's and Best Buys in the last few days (hardly a true sales acid test I know) they seem to have been moving copies fairly well.

[QUOTE="final_fortress"][QUOTE="Cyberfairy"]

[QUOTE="Ace132"]2 More Flops for Xbox,i think they should cancel the triology thing :|TreyoftheDead

sorry but no, this game is selling well enough for a sequel and the game has recieved fairly odd scores yes but there are far worse games out there. go to the too human board and you will see that lots of people are enjoying it.

i think youll just find a bunch of desperate people just trying to justify their purchase instead

Oh yeah, we are all just desperate people who are secretly upset we purchased trash, we can't honestly enjoy a game that scored poorly! :roll:

I dunno. I saw plenty of lair "lovers" after it flopped. Now adays no one will admit they liked it. Denial is pretty powerful.

A question to be asked after we see the NPD numbers for the month,

Even though "we" as gamers may feel its not great, who is to say how it will do sales wise? If it bombs in sales I would imagine that creating a second one is not likely.

However just from going into EB's and Best Buys in the last few days (hardly a true sales acid test I know) they seem to have been moving copies fairly well.

cosmostein77

The true test is come back in a week and see how many used copies are for sale.

I don't mind if they finish it as long as the second and third ones aren't garbage like the first one

but it deserves to fail, and if it's successful it'll prove to me that lemmings know as much about quality as the average wii owner

Too Human is going to do well as do most games with a halfway decent XBL coop feature do. The coop is a blast and I'm enjoying the single player..It reminds me of Marvel:UA which was another flawed, yet enjoyable coop game.

[QUOTE="darthogre"]

yes totally different game. But you would agree this is a business, wouldn't you? If the production costs and marketing do not give you a decent return on investment, why would MS invest in a trilogy? Because fans want them too?

Of course we don't know the amount of sales for Too Human yet but I find it funny how everyone is so sure this game is going to be a million seller (or more). All I'm saying is it's premature to say "It must have a trilogy" because you dont' know what it has or is going to sale. Whether or not Too Human is different from Advent Rising in gameplay, you judge success the same way. It has to succede inorder to get the trilogy I would think. maybe I'm wrong, MS will just do it for the fans........but that seems to be competely oppsite of what they have done prior.

musicalmac

Well, when the public largely regards your product as "bad" and these people bought your product, it would seem as though those people would not buy your game again? Stop me if i'm wrong. Also the whole Dyack interview where he says they were "too creative" rids most of the hardcore fans of the game of any hope of them actually improving it...If they would have admit their mistakes and taken responsibility for them, I think people would be more receptive to a trilogy. That's why they shouldn't make it.

or will it go the way of advent risingZeRo-ZeN

MS has spent 100 million for the games. So ya, they kind of have to.

[QUOTE="musicalmac"][QUOTE="darthogre"]

yes totally different game. But you would agree this is a business, wouldn't you? If the production costs and marketing do not give you a decent return on investment, why would MS invest in a trilogy? Because fans want them too?

Of course we don't know the amount of sales for Too Human yet but I find it funny how everyone is so sure this game is going to be a million seller (or more). All I'm saying is it's premature to say "It must have a trilogy" because you dont' know what it has or is going to sale. Whether or not Too Human is different from Advent Rising in gameplay, you judge success the same way. It has to succede inorder to get the trilogy I would think. maybe I'm wrong, MS will just do it for the fans........but that seems to be competely oppsite of what they have done prior.

luckystar23

Well, when the public largely regards your product as "bad" and these people bought your product, it would seem as though those people would not buy your game again? Stop me if i'm wrong. Also the whole Dyack interview where he says they were "too creative" rids most of the hardcore fans of the game of any hope of them actually improving it...If they would have admit their mistakes and taken responsibility for them, I think people would be more receptive to a trilogy. That's why they shouldn't make it.

[QUOTE="luckystar23"]

Well, when the public largely regards your product as "bad" and these people bought your product, it would seem as though those people would not buy your game again? Stop me if i'm wrong. Also the whole Dyack interview where he says they were "too creative" rids most of the hardcore fans of the game of any hope of them actually improving it...If they would have admit their mistakes and taken responsibility for them, I think people would be more receptive to a trilogy. That's why they shouldn't make it.

heretrix

[QUOTE="luckystar23"][QUOTE="musicalmac"][QUOTE="darthogre"]

yes totally different game. But you would agree this is a business, wouldn't you? If the production costs and marketing do not give you a decent return on investment, why would MS invest in a trilogy? Because fans want them too?

Of course we don't know the amount of sales for Too Human yet but I find it funny how everyone is so sure this game is going to be a million seller (or more). All I'm saying is it's premature to say "It must have a trilogy" because you dont' know what it has or is going to sale. Whether or not Too Human is different from Advent Rising in gameplay, you judge success the same way. It has to succede inorder to get the trilogy I would think. maybe I'm wrong, MS will just do it for the fans........but that seems to be competely oppsite of what they have done prior.

heretrix

Well, when the public largely regards your product as "bad" and these people bought your product, it would seem as though those people would not buy your game again? Stop me if i'm wrong. Also the whole Dyack interview where he says they were "too creative" rids most of the hardcore fans of the game of any hope of them actually improving it...If they would have admit their mistakes and taken responsibility for them, I think people would be more receptive to a trilogy. That's why they shouldn't make it.

Haha what? So instead of internet fanboys (which was a false assumption on your part as that is not what i meant) you replace it with the even smaller group of people that are on your friendslist? Is that a supposedly more accurate view of the game's worth? Anyways if the word public bothers you replace it with press.

Haha what? So instead of internet fanboys (which was a false assumption on your part as that is not what i meant) you replace it with the even smaller group of people that are on your friendslist? Is that a supposedly more accurate view of the game's worth? Anyways if the word public bothers you replace it with press.

luckystar23

[QUOTE="mistervengeance"]

[QUOTE="Jynxzor"]Microsoft has already stated they are comited to the trillogy.musicalmac

a trilogy of failure it shall be then.

no, because the first one is a terrible game.

[QUOTE="musicalmac"][QUOTE="mistervengeance"]

[QUOTE="Jynxzor"]Microsoft has already stated they are comited to the trillogy.mistervengeance

a trilogy of failure it shall be then.

no, because the first one is a terrible game.

Oh. So you've played the retail version of the game then?

no, because the first one is a terrible game.

mistervengeance

From what i've heard, Too Human is a game where you played it and think its straight (like how getting a low B or high C on a test isn't the end of the world, but its not anything to brag about either) or you chronicled blog sites and grew to hate it before the game was even released and you bashed it for what it wasn't rather than what it was.

But that is irrelevant. If the game sells well, it will get a sequel. Money is the only worthwhile way gamers can talk to developers and tell them what we like and don't like and actually see a result from it.

or will it go the way of advent risingZeRo-ZeN

Too Human is probably selling very well and will probably have a sequel, unlike Advent Rising. I'm not sure why Too Human is popular though.

i hope not .. anytime soon at least

i'd much rather have an Eternal Darkness trilogy, or new IPs

[QUOTE="mistervengeance"]

no, because the first one is a terrible game.

musicalmac

because of how bad the first game is, it's highly unlikely that it will be any good. it's the company's reputation now. dennis dyack will be laughed at by a lot of people the next time he comes out with a game.

same thing with haze. i looked forward to it at first because i enjoyed timesplitters, and now that i know that FR can make as bad a game as haze, i will re-evaluate buying their future games.

no, devil may cry 3 is not terrible simply because DMC2 was terrible. capcom had already proven their concept with DMC1, they just took it down the wrong road with DMC2 and realized that.

i also highly doubt killzone 2 will be any good because of how shallow and boring the first one was.

[QUOTE="mistervengeance"][QUOTE="musicalmac"][QUOTE="mistervengeance"]

[QUOTE="Jynxzor"]Microsoft has already stated they are comited to the trillogy.TreyoftheDead

a trilogy of failure it shall be then.

no, because the first one is a terrible game.

Oh. So you've played the retail version of the game then?

have you played the retail version of lair? i have. honestly, with this type of game, you can tell if it's going to be terrible from the demo. i thought the combat was boring and uninspired and could not possibly be deep, the story was nonexistant, and there were many glitches. that all turned out to be true for the retail game. sometimes, the opposite is true, but as long as the core gameplay is the same in retail as it is in the demo, i will never ever touch too human again.

Definately, it should be out within the next 20 years.

have you played the retail version of lair? i have. honestly, with this type of game, you can tell if it's going to be terrible from the demo. i thought the combat was boring and uninspired and could not possibly be deep, the story was nonexistant, and there were many glitches. that all turned out to be true for the retail game. sometimes, the opposite is true, but as long as the core gameplay is the same in retail as it is in the demo, i will never ever touch too human again.

mistervengeance

Yet it is acceptably deep. Quite a lot deeper than what's normal for a hack-n-slash of this kind.

I really hope they do. Too Human is sort of a diamond in the rough. The very, very rough. I think really well pressed coal would be a better description.

Incremental improvements to the game could easily make for an impressive, memorable game - so I really wish they do keep on with it.

Well, I bought Too Human after reading some pretty lackluster reviews :shock: AND even though the gamestore clerk strenuously advised me not to citing the [same] poor reviews of course, but, curiously, when I asked him if he'd played it he said " well no, I haven't... " :roll: ...( Dyack's " Social Experiment " AM CONFIRMED!1!! )

Basically, I went into this Too Human thing fully expecting it to be complete crap, and to my pleasant surprise, it actually isn't.

Too Human has some issues, to be sure, but it's quite a bit of fun once it gets rolling and you start figuring out what the game's trying to do...

It definately deserves a better score than the 5.5 point spanking that our esteemed hosts here at GS lauded on it - ok, maybe not a ****-load better, but better nonetheless...

So, I certainly hope that there is a trilogy and I hope that SK takes the criticism positively and improves upon each subsequent venture in the series...

Just keep Director Dyack away from the Internets next time, mmmkay?