Do you think we'll start hearing some PS5 rumors come 2018?

PS5 is 100% coming out no later than 2020. 2019 is probably a 50% chance.

@lamprey263: We are talking 2 - 3 yrs until the PS5 comes out. Its not like the PS2 was selling like crap when the PS3 was announced in 2005 only 5 yrs after the PS2 launched.

2019 would put it 6 yrs after the OG PS4 and 3 yrs after the Pro or 7 yrs and 4 yrs respectfully if released in 2020.

No offense, but there are always guys like you every generation that say "way too early for new consoles" when a new console is right around the corner. You do realize the Pro and XB1X aren't true next-gen consoles right? Even Sony and Microsoft have said this countless times.

It doesn't Matter MS is never going to allow Sony to have the power Advantage again.

I don't know, let's take Crysis a game from 2007, that's 10 years ago. I don't laugh at those visuals. Hell, even Doom 3 still looks good and that game's from 2004.

You can't speak in definite terms unless you work for Sony.

Guess we'll see who is correct come 2020.....

So are we seeing Next gen Graphics right now on PC's??

PC's have cards and CPU's with close or better specs.

Don't tell me consoles are holding PC's back because that didn't stop Crysis from looking Next Gen during the 360/PS3 era.

I'd like to invest in a Playstation again. I want to hold off until E3 though and see what Sony has to show in terms of new hardware though. If not, then I'll probably pick up a Playstation 4 Pro later on down the line when God of War and Days Gone is released...

Nope. Not anytime soon. And I hope not. PS4 still has plenty of juice left. I bought a PS4 vanilla back in 2015, gave that away to a family member, then bought a Pro this past March. Releasing a PS5 next year or even mentioning it, would be a disservice to 70 million of PS4 owners, unless Sony accomplishes full B/C with PS4 games (and PS3, PS2, PS1).

I think that's what these mid-ben upgrades for....to prolong the generation.

2020-2021 would be my guess.

The way I see it, Ps4 came out, Pro was 3 years later which was a bit early and kind of a slap in the face for recent buyers. Releasing Ps5 within 3 years of the pro would be a disservice for fans who recently bought the brand new pro system. I wouldn't expect a PS5 release anytime before 2019-2020 which means they will announce it tomorrow (years in advance) and delay it until 2021.

Lol... that is the Sony way. We'll see a teaser trailer at E3 next year, then get follow up trailers at every gaming event for the next 4 years... with various panel discussions on stage hosted by Greg Miller every year.

Did they call you on the phone or send you an email telling you these words specifically or is it you just interpreting your own thoughts and feelings and making it your own reality?

Just would like to genuinely know....

2020 possible PS5 coming

@EG101:

Sorry, but consoles do hold back top of the line PC's at least in regards to multiplats are concerned. All top of the line PC's do is brute force for better resolution, FPS and some enhanced effects. Games on top of the line PC's aren't a full generation better because of this. You would need to build an exclusive game with top PC hardware in mind to get next-gen quality which hasn't happened since OG Crysis. Yes, I know Star Citizen is in development, but who knows when that game will ever get released.

PS5 exclusives will destroy the best looking games on the PC right now even if the PS5 only comes with a 10 Tflop GPU. There is a big difference between developing a game with 10 Tflops as your base line vs developing a game that has to work for both sub 2 Tflop consoles and high end PC's.

Mark Cerny has already stated that PS4 Pro isn't their next gen console and only meant to be another choice. Just like regular IPAD vs IPAD Pro.

So are you guys going to ignore the fact that both the OG PS4 and PS4 Pro were released the same year they were announced?

I absolutely agree. 10 Teraflops will probably be roughly the baseline for next gen game development across PlayStation, Xbox and PC for games coming out in late 2020+ --That's not to say PS5 and the next Xbox won't have more than 10 Tflops, they probably will, somewhat more.

For example, in mid 2012, Epic Games Tim Sweeney said of Unreal Engine 4 that the full feature set would need 1+ TFLOPs GPU.

https://www.geforce.com/whats-new/articles/stunning-videos-show-unreal-engine-4s-next-gen-gtx-680-powered-real-time-graphics?ClickID=bdssvkslezuk6kn6lm6gmde1k6nfesemdgyg

What is the target platform for UE4? What kind of hardware are gamers going to need to run UE4 based games?

Unreal Engine 4’s next-generation renderer targets DirectX 11 GPU’s and really starts to become interesting on hardware with 1+ TFLOPS of graphics performance, where it delivers some truly unprecedented capabilities. However, UE4 also includes a mainstream renderer targeting mass-market devices with a feature set that is appropriate there.

So the base console in 2013, Xbox One came in with 1.31 TFlops and PS4 1.84 TFlops and gaming PCs of that time could have 3-4+ TFlops (GTX 680, GTX 780). -- Fast forward now to 2020-2021, if PS5/ Xbox Next have 12+ TFlops with gaming PCs having even more, most games will be developed with that 10 Tflops baseline.

@airraidjet: Exactly, people need to understand there is a difference between developing a game with 10+ Tflops as your baseline vs developing a game that has to run on both a 1.3 Tflop console and 10+ Tflop high end PCs. Sure those high end PC rigs will take that game and run them at higher overall settings, but its not a next-generation improvement because its still a game that targets console hardware as a priority.