Do you want X to be doomed? Why?

None of them should be doomed or whatever, Competition is good. It forces all 3 of them to stay on the edge and develop newer technologies which might have implications beyond gaming ( I read about Kinect being implemented in some new technology of something, cant remember what exactly)

And while I have a special place in my a$$ for Microsoft, I wouldnt want them to die as well.

EDIT - and not to mention all the people that would lose their jobs

[QUOTE="Shewgenja"]

I'd be okay with Microsoft going away. Their emphasis on pay-to-play online, meddling in the next-gen format war with HD-DVD, stringing gamers along with DLC, sub-par quality hardware, lack of exclusive studios (going so far as to actually shut first party studios down and SELLING OFF Bungie, I might add), flooding the media with ridiculous advertising budgets (cough Kinect) and overall emphasis on brogamerism has seriously screwed up gaming irreparably. This generation has sucked so hard between MS nickle and diming the hardcore gamer to death and the Wii tearing away the casual gamer.

Xbox is just a marketing juggernaut. As a gamer who has been around since the early 80s, I have never seen a company do more to piss me off. Not even Atari. I would happily buy a new Sega system or even an Apple product if it meant MS would gtfo.

WilliamRLBaker

wow your just...moronic. they SOLD off bungie? to who? last I checked Bungie said we would like to go do our own thing, Microsoft said okay and let them go, meddling in the format war? like Sony did by introducing a new format and making it a requirement? string gamers along with dlc? you mean like how sony has no dlc or has all dlc thats free? Advertising budgets? you mean like how Sony has no advertising? brogamerism? are you stupid Call of duty is the highest selling stuff on ps3 as well...god your stupid.

Non HDCP compliant hd dvd drive...are you stupid the Hd dvd addon was hdcp compliant...I owned one.

And failure rate as high? answer ps2.

all that was probably not worth it for a 2$ cheque from MS..

good luck with you ambassodoring or whatnot :P

A unified and modular platform where ______ acts as a successful 3rd party publisher with their talented studios is a win for us consumers. That, I'd like to see one day. But of course, it will have to go through an unfortunate announcement that _____ would have to exit the console hardware business, but if that means further sustainability in their involvement in their gaming business over pushing ______ hardware and going out in a blaze of glory, then I see no issues with it other than a loss of jobs in _______'s Public sector.

Anyone that wants _____ to exit the gaming business completely is clearly an idiot.

Because x faction are mean in the SW forum... :x :cry:Giancar

Inb4 "sony , cause there so arrogant"ultraking

I don't wish for any company to fail, I just wish Sony gets hit hard and they get humbled.

MirkoS77

Corporations don't become humbled. They become insolvent and bankrupt.

wow your just...moronic. they SOLD off bungie? to who? last I checked Bungie said we would like to go do our own thing, Microsoft said okay and let them go

WilliamRLBaker

Also, people saying they'd want or wouldn't mind MS leaving - what if no new competition emerged to fill their space? Can you really ignore the positive developments they've brought through competition, even if you're no fan of the company or its products?

Your PS3 wouldn't be what it is today with the 360. The reverse also applies. The 3DS wouldn't be what it is without the PSP. And so on. Competition produces new ideas and iterative refinement.

A unified and modular platform where ______ acts as a successful 3rd party publisher with their talented studios is a win for us consumers. That, I'd like to see one day. But of course, it will have to go through an unfortunate announcement that _____ would have to exit the console hardware business, but if that means further sustainability in their involvement in their gaming business over pushing ______ hardware and going out in a blaze of glory, then I see no issues with it other than a loss of jobs in _______'s Public sector.

Anyone that wants _____ to exit the gaming business completely is clearly an idiot.

illmatic87

Ugh, I've had it up to here with you damn _____ fanboys.

I like the idea of Nintendo dropping out of the hardware market because it would free them up to port their back catalogue to iOS/Android/WP and give them the chance to work with an already established online framework like XBL, but on the other hand they're the only manfacturer willing to really take a risk on hardware.

No i dont want them to be doomed i like microsoft.

Sony needs to go for the negative effect they've had on gaming, especially this gen. For their shameless trojan horse-ing of BD and Cell, their arrogance, and mostly just the fact they are out of touch with gaming and game devs in general. They would rather win a movie format war than produce a quality game system. For that, even the 360 with RROD and $50/yr. online charge took a dump on the PS3.

PSV with the memory card BS. How disgraceful.

You watch, PS4 is gonna be a neutered, fake-ass, wanna-be apple product. They are so out of touch. Lucked out by selling media formats in their consoles. They've been nothing but crap after the PSX.

Don't hate me for telling the truth.

Sony needs to go for the negative effect they've had on gaming, especially this gen. For their shameless trojan horse-ing of BD and Cell, their arrogance, and mostly just the fact they are out of touch with gaming and game devs in general. They would rather win a movie format war than produce a quality game system. For that, even the 360 with RROD and $50/yr. online charge took a dump on the PS3.

PSV with the memory card BS. How disgraceful.

You watch, PS4 is gonna be a neutered, fake-ass, wanna-be apple product. They are so out of touch. Lucked out by selling media formats in their consoles. They've been nothing but crap after the PSX.

Don't hate me for telling the truth.

gamecubepad

and I dont know about you but having to change discs mid game is so 1998 :P

Sony needs to go for the negative effect they've had on gaming, especially this gen. For their shameless trojan horse-ing of BD and Cell, their arrogance, and mostly just the fact they are out of touch with gaming and game devs in general. They would rather win a movie format war than produce a quality game system. For that, even the 360 with RROD and $50/yr. online charge took a dump on the PS3.

PSV with the memory card BS. How disgraceful.

You watch, PS4 is gonna be a neutered, fake-ass, wanna-be apple product. They are so out of touch. Lucked out by selling media formats in their consoles. They've been nothing but crap after the PSX.

Don't hate me for telling the truth.

gamecubepad

and I dont know about you but having to change discs mid game is so 1998 :P

Well, they do own major movies studios and were crucial to developing blu ray, without the PS3 it could have lost the format war

and I dont know about you but having to change discs mid game is so 1998 :P

Zaibach

I'm just messing around:P. Sony sucked most of this gen, but from 2009 on, they've been great.

*fanboy system reboot*

Furthermore, they lack of rumble early in the gen, overly-complex hardware architecture, ridiculous pricepoint, and intentional misleading of their mindless fanbase are more examples of their shameless behavior.

But the real reason Sony needs to go, and I speak no lie, is for the reprehensible and repulsive fanbase they've created, which is nothing more than a mirror image of their putrid corporate culture. I swear, here and now, that if Sony goes down in flames, I'm having hamburgers for dinner.

I dont want to see anyone go, but if one has to go it would be MS, i loved them last generation more then i did my PS2, but this gen they completelly suck when it comes to delivering the games. But if Sony leaves the console race i will never buy another console in my life. Just stick with my good PC. Seriously if Sony leaves which i doubt it will i will be heart broken :oops: .

I dont want to see any of the big 3 disappear, competition is good for us as gamers and it forces the devs and companies to work harder to maintain their position.

Imagine a world with only 1 console maker, they could price it any way they like and we'd all have to pay it or go without, even the games would suffer because there would only be a single machine so no need to push the boundaries with anything leading to the lowest quality drivel because there's no one pushing them to make better.

3 consoles is good for everyone and if you think other wise your an idiot.

Don't want any companies to go under, but I would like Peter Monologue to retire and stop making games.

Gaming was best before Sony became a contender.

I blame Sony for a lot of the things that is wrong with the games industry today.

If Sony went away, not much would change in available games as developers could easily change platforms to X360 as proven by the many multiplays on both Xbox and Playstation.

3 consoles is good for everyone and if you think other wise your an idiot.l34052

No,because I'm not a crazy person.

No, competition is a great thing. That said I wish MS and Sony would relinquish some of their control over third party devs. It's awful.

Sony needs to go for the negative effect they've had on gaming, especially this gen. For their shameless trojan horse-ing of BD and Cell, their arrogance, and mostly just the fact they are out of touch with gaming and game devs in general. They would rather win a movie format war than produce a quality game system. For that, even the 360 with RROD and $50/yr. online charge took a dump on the PS3.

PSV with the memory card BS. How disgraceful.

You watch, PS4 is gonna be a neutered, fake-ass, wanna-be apple product. They are so out of touch. Lucked out by selling media formats in their consoles. They've been nothing but crap after the PSX.

Don't hate me for telling the truth.

gamecubepad

one of the stupidest posts I have ever read here on SW...quite a feat.

The ignorance and ridicliousness of this posts personally offends me.

Microsoft to leave the gaming industry (I don't care what they do outside it) and Sega back in the console war. Not going to happen but that's what I would want to happen.FlamesOfGrey

The only reason anyone has for wanting to see a system go, regardless of the platform, is pretty much always the same. Insecurity coupled with ignorance of how the market works. It comes from people who take products with a sports team mentality, where competitors are seen as an "enemy" that threatens the security of their chosen patron.

There's also a sense of entitlement, that they knew better than anybody else what is the "correct" purchase to make, which follows that their money could only go to the one and only place to spend it. So other people spending their own money on something other than what the fanboy bought, is seen as an attack that challenges how the fanboy spent their money, so of course it must be defended, at all costs :lol:

The cows in this thread.. lol. This is why people are trolling you with all the Sony is doomed talk.

The only reason anyone has for wanting to see a system go, regardless of the platform, is pretty much always the same. Insecurity coupled with ignorance of how the market works. It comes from people who take products with a sports team mentality, where competitors are seen as an "enemy" that threatens the security of their chosen patron.

There's also a sense of entitlement, that they knew better than anybody else what is the "correct" purchase to make, which follows that their money could only go to the one and only place to spend it. So other people spending their own money on something other than what the fanboy bought, is seen as an attack that challenges how the fanboy spent their money, so of course it mustbe defended, at all costs :lol:

AdobeArtist

You are wrong about that you know!

It's not all about SW fanboy type non-sense with some people. Some people are actual gamers and can see if a company is having a negative effect on the industry with the agendas and practices they try to bring in and make standard...some are far worse than others.

[QUOTE="gamecubepad"]

Sony needs to go for the negative effect they've had on gaming, especially this gen. For their shameless trojan horse-ing of BD and Cell, their arrogance, and mostly just the fact they are out of touch with gaming and game devs in general. They would rather win a movie format war than produce a quality game system. For that, even the 360 with RROD and $50/yr. online charge took a dump on the PS3.

PSV with the memory card BS. How disgraceful.

You watch, PS4 is gonna be a neutered, fake-ass, wanna-be apple product. They are so out of touch. Lucked out by selling media formats in their consoles. They've been nothing but crap after the PSX.

Don't hate me for telling the truth.

Zaibach

and I dont know about you but having to change discs mid game is so 1998 :P

i may be below 10 but hey you gotta start somewhere, i'm sure you were below 10 at one point, anyway, their are actually some people on here who get hard ons when they see sony or microsoft or nintendo do bad, its sad

The only reason anyone has for wanting to see a system go, regardless of the platform, is pretty much always the same. Insecurity coupled with ignorance of how the market works. It comes from people who take products with a sports team mentality, where competitors are seen as an "enemy" that threatens the security of their chosen patron.

There's also a sense of entitlement, that they knew better than anybody else what is the "correct" purchase to make, which follows that their money could only go to the one and only place to spend it. So other people spending their own money on something other than what the fanboy bought, is seen as an attack that challenges how the fanboy spent their money, so of course it must be defended, at all costs :lol:

AdobeArtist

X > N > S ... N & S are doomed. :twisted:

[QUOTE="AdobeArtist"]

The only reason anyone has for wanting to see a system go, regardless of the platform, is pretty much always the same. Insecurity coupled with ignorance of how the market works. It comes from people who take products with a sports team mentality, where competitors are seen as an "enemy" that threatens the security of their chosen patron.

There's also a sense of entitlement, that they knew better than anybody else what is the "correct" purchase to make, which follows that their money could only go to the one and only place to spend it. So other people spending their own money on something other than what the fanboy bought, is seen as an attack that challenges how the fanboy spent their money, so of course it must be defended, at all costs :lol:

cainetao11

yyyyep, and just look at what got posted a couple spots before you :lol:

And the whole agenda argument is always based on double standards. It has nothing to do with what company commited what action. It's just what who they like which skews how relevant said "agendas" are.

yyyyep, and just look at what got posted a couple spots before you :lol:

And the whole agenda argument is always based on double standards. It has nothing to do with what company commited what action. It's just what who they like which skews how relevant said "agendas" are.

AdobeArtist

I don't want ANY company to go under, because my IQ isn't equivalent to my Gamespot Level.

[QUOTE="AdobeArtist"]

yyyyep, and just look at what got posted a couple spots before you :lol:

And the whole agenda argument is always based on double standards. It has nothing to do with what company commited what action. It's just what who they like which skews how relevant said "agendas" are.

JLF1MarkII

That has to do with developer and/or publisher practices. We're talking about people with a desire for an entire platform to simply vanish.

You know what, I'll just sum up how people want which company to be doomed:

Cows will say Microsoft and Nintendo

Lemmings will say Sony and Nintendo

Sheep will say Microsoft and Sony

Hermits will say all

You know what, I'll just sum up how people want which company to be doomed:

Cows will say Microsoft and Nintendo

Lemmings will say Sony and Nintendo

Sheep will say Microsoft and Sony

Hermits will say all

sonic1564

That is not true. If this thread is anything to go by, the only people dumb enough to want a company to disappear are cows.

That has to do with specific games. We're talking about people with a desire for an entire platform to simply vanish.

AdobeArtist

That is not true. If this thread is anything to go by, the only people dumb enough to want a company to disappear are cows.

waltefmoney

[QUOTE="waltefmoney"]

That is not true. If this thread is anything to go by, the only people dumb enough to want a company to disappear are cows.

JLF1MarkII

Oh yeah. Those are funny.

[QUOTE="sonic1564"]

You know what, I'll just sum up how people want which company to be doomed:

Cows will say Microsoft and Nintendo

Lemmings will say Sony and Nintendo

Sheep will say Microsoft and Sony

Hermits will say all

waltefmoney

That is not true. If this thread is anything to go by, the only people dumb enough to want a company to disappear are cows.

Well so far yes, but we'll see when LoosingENDS comes by. The only thing that I want to be doomed is the practices of fanboyism.

That is not true. If this thread is anything to go by, the only people dumb enough to want a company to disappear are cows.

waltefmoney

The posters I've seen gleeful in threads about Sony's impending demise haven't posted ITT. Nor the dozens of low-level alts, who granted could all be one sad individual I guess.

[QUOTE="Zaibach"]

[QUOTE="gamecubepad"]

Sony needs to go for the negative effect they've had on gaming, especially this gen. For their shameless trojan horse-ing of BD and Cell, their arrogance, and mostly just the fact they are out of touch with gaming and game devs in general. They would rather win a movie format war than produce a quality game system. For that, even the 360 with RROD and $50/yr. online charge took a dump on the PS3.

PSV with the memory card BS. How disgraceful.

You watch, PS4 is gonna be a neutered, fake-ass, wanna-be apple product. They are so out of touch. Lucked out by selling media formats in their consoles. They've been nothing but crap after the PSX.

Don't hate me for telling the truth.

cainetao11

and I dont know about you but having to change discs mid game is so 1998 :P

Not really, its called moving with the times, I am a fit and healthy twenty-something year old, former 100 metres sprinter.

Blu ray tech is just more convenient and better :P

[QUOTE="waltefmoney"]

That is not true. If this thread is anything to go by, the only people dumb enough to want a company to disappear are cows.

shinrabanshou

The posters I've seen gleeful in threads about Sony's impending demise haven't posted ITT. Nor the dozens of low-level alts, who granted could all be one sad individual I guess.

You mean the trolls?

But yeah, you've got a point - the only people who want a company todisappear are bottom of the barrel cows like casharmy.

[QUOTE="cainetao11"][QUOTE="Zaibach"]Well, they do own major movies studios and were crucial to developing blu ray, without the PS3 it could have lost the format war

and I dont know about you but having to change discs mid game is so 1998 :P

Zaibach

Not really, its called moving with the times, I am a fit and healthy twenty-something year old, former 100 metres sprinter.

Blu ray tech is just more convenient and better :P

For storage, sure Blu Ray has an advantage. But for drive speeds, Blu Ray is at a severe disadvantage to DVD, which has impacted performance to the point that game installs have become mandatory to compensate.

[QUOTE="shinrabanshou"]

[QUOTE="waltefmoney"]

That is not true. If this thread is anything to go by, the only people dumb enough to want a company to disappear are cows.

waltefmoney

The posters I've seen gleeful in threads about Sony's impending demise haven't posted ITT. Nor the dozens of low-level alts, who granted could all be one sad individual I guess.

You mean the trolls?

But yeah, you've got a point - the only people who want a company todisappear are bottom of the barrel cows like casharmy.

Don't put words in my mouth you xbot zealot, I never said that.

I don't give a damn about MS as a company, I only care about the effect their practices and agenda have had on the console game industry...They could go full PC gaming and I would be all for that. I have never really cared for anything MS has done outside of console gaming so kill the drama.

I'd like to see the fanboys (note, i'm only talking about the deadly serious maniacs - the poster above being a good example of what i mean :roll: ) go away but no, losing one of the 3 console manufacturers would only hurt the industry atm. Competition is good for the consumer.

Don't put words in my mouth you xbot zealot, I never said that.

I don't give a damn about MS as a company, I only care about the effect their practices and agenda have had on the console game industry...They could go full PC gaming and I would be all for that. I have never really cared for anything MS has done outside of console gaming so kill the drama.

casharmy

:cool:

[QUOTE="Zaibach"]

[QUOTE="cainetao11"] oh please, not wanting to get up for a second screams BLUBBERGUT!!AdobeArtist

Not really, its called moving with the times, I am a fit and healthy twenty-something year old, former 100 metres sprinter.

Blu ray tech is just more convenient and better :P

For storage, sure Blu Ray has an advantage. But for drive speeds, Blu Ray is at a severe disadvantage to DVD, which has impacted performance to the point that game installs have become mandatory to compensate.

BUT your point is noted, rest assured:)

In the most recent podcast of the 1UP Yours show Tim Sweeney and Mark Rein from Epic Games (Gears of War, Unreal Tournament) sat down and talked about Xbox Live Marketplace and a host of other topics. But the quote that stuck in people's heads was when Tim Sweeney implied Epic would like to give Gears of War maps away for free on Xbox Marketplace (like they did the original maps), but Microsoft won't let them.

Sweeney said, "We already released two [maps] and we have four more maps that we've built. We've been wanting to give them away for a long time but actually Microsoft has been pushing back on us for that. They're trying to build this business model around selling additional content for games and that's a valid idea, but definitely we would like to release more stuff for free, and we haven't been able to do so -- yet. Which is unfortunate, there's a lot of good business reasons for releasing free content for a game."

This naturally sparked some heavy debate on the Evil Avatar forums. Joystiq spoke with Mark Rein over the weekend and he laughed at how out of context the conversation was taken. He asked people to listen to the podcast before they weighed in. He says there are simple business philosophies separating Epic and Microsoft.

Rein says both Epic and Microsoft want to make money, they just have different philosophies on how to do it. Epic believes in giving content away for free, building the user base of their product by adding value after initial purchase. A model they've learned extremely well from being involved in the PC market for years. Microsoft believes in charging up front, and in the case of Xbox Marketplace, they have a store to run and infrastructure to pay for

http://www.joystiq.com/2007/04/09/microsoft-forcing-fees-marketplace-phil-101-with-epic-and-microsoft/

Crash Course is being offered for free on the PC, but Microsoft is charging 560 Microsoft Points for it via Xbox Live. This left many gamers, including L4D fans, a little miffed that content that is free elsewhere requires payment from the Xbox Live Marketplace. Valve has been known as a developer who does not like to charge for additional content for their products that people have already purchased, but it seems that the decision to charge for the Crash Course DLC was out of their hands.

"We own our platform, Steam. Microsoft owns their platform. They wanted to make sure there's an economy of value there," Faliszek told Eurogamer. He continued to explain why he felt the first DLC was available for free while the upcoming pack is not. "Well, they helped us get the first one out for free. We had the one DLC out for free. And I think... they have to look and say, wow, we're kind of being unfair to everybody else if these guys can do that."

http://www.planetxbox360.com/article_7760/Valve_Microsoft_Forced_Us_to_Charge_for_Left_4_Dead_DLC

A report that suggests Microsoft has some pretty strict policies on publishing Xbox 360 and Xbox Live Arcade games has come under attack by a Sony Playstation executive. Several days ago, Eurogamer reported that Microsoft's policies could allow them to refuse to release a game on its Xbox Live Arcade downloadable service if it appears first on Sony's Playstation Network. Microsoft also strongly suggests that multi-platform retail games have the same content across all of the game's version. If a PS3 game has any extra content, Microsoft reserves the right to not publish an Xbox 360 version of that game.

http://www.neowin.net/news/microsoft-slammed-by-sony-for-xbox-360-publishing-rules

Like I said Xdrones....agendas and practices. anti-competition, anti-consumer friendly, anti-development freedom.All companies are not the same in how they want to do business as has been shown: Lookin @ you AdobeArtist