Does anyone feel Kojima is praised a little too much...?

Just wondering where people stood on this topic...

before I get flamed to death let me say that, I like (not love) MGS series, I respect Kojima (as well as many others) for his ability to add to the hobby we all hold so dear and in no way was this thread created with any fanboyistic intentions and or malicious hatred towards a certain class of people... The fact that I have to even right a disclaimer is actually kind of funny...

I've just never gotten the whole aura of god thing some gamers have dubbed him... He's pretty good, nothing more, nothing less....

Nope...He derserves it...what other game even compares to his games?

Story? NOPE

Attention to detail? NOPE

Character creations? NOPE

Dialog? NOPE

MGS is in a league of its own..its deep, epic and can hit someone on emotional levels. Just because your the tpyical...average violence and shooter nut, that can't get by with alteast 10 cups of coffee a day, doesn't mean the MAN Kojimas overrated.

I love Metal Gear, but I do agree that Hideo Kojima does get too much praise. It puzzles me when people compare him to the likes of Miyamoto and Yu Suzuki.famicommander

I don't think he should be compared to them, but next to them as No. 3. Kojima is a genious no doubt.

Nope...He derserves it...what other game even compares to his games?

Story? NOPE

Attention to detail? NOPE

Character creations? NOPE

Dialog? NOPE

MGS is in a league of its own..its deep, epic and can hit someone on emotional levels. Just because your the tpyical...average violence and shooter nut, that can't get by with alteast 10 cups of coffee, doesn't mean the MAN Kojimas overrated.

Forensic-Klown

only thing that i see missing is great gameplay in his games

what other games has he worked on besides mg and the mgs series?blackice1983

You do realize that MGS isn't the only games Hideo has worked on right? He's a living legend IMO. He's the Hitori Hanzo of videogames.ColoradoKindBud

I just looked up his history on IMDB.com (extremely reputable mass entertainment site) I'd say over 90 percent of his life works are on Metal Gear games...

sorry can't link... www.imdb.com/name/nm0463620/

[QUOTE="Forensic-Klown"]

Nope...He derserves it...what other game even compares to his games?

Story? NOPE

Attention to detail? NOPE

Character creations? NOPE

Dialog? NOPE

MGS is in a league of its own..its deep, epic and can hit someone on emotional levels. Just because your the tpyical...average violence and shooter nut, that can't get by with alteast 10 cups of coffee, doesn't mean the MAN Kojimas overrated.

blackice1983

only thing that i see missing is great gameplay in his games

It's not that the gameplay isn't great. It just hasn't been the best (MGS3). MGS4 will most likely change that as far as for 3rd person shooting goes.

Nope...He derserves it...what other game even compares to his games?

Story? NOPE

Attention to detail? NOPE

Character creations? NOPE

Dialog? NOPE

MGS is in a league of its own..its deep, epic and can hit someone on emotional levels. Just because your the tpyical...average violence and shooter nut, that can't get by with alteast 10 cups of coffee a day, doesn't mean the MAN Kojimas overrated.

Forensic-Klown

GTA IV, prepares flame shield.

I love MGS, but i do believe that he gets way to much praise.

[QUOTE="Forensic-Klown"]

Nope...He derserves it...what other game even compares to his games?

Story? NOPE

Attention to detail? NOPE

Character creations? NOPE

Dialog? NOPE

MGS is in a league of its own..its deep, epic and can hit someone on emotional levels. Just because your the tpyical...average violence and shooter nut, that can't get by with alteast 10 cups of coffee, doesn't mean the MAN Kojimas overrated.

blackice1983

only thing that i see missing is great gameplay in his games

what other games has he worked on besides mg and the mgs series?blackice1983

[QUOTE="ColoradoKindBud"]You do realize that MGS isn't the only games Hideo has worked on right? He's a living legend IMO. He's the Hitori Hanzo of videogames.colmusterd28

I just looked up his history on IMDB.com (extremely reputable mass entertainment site) I'd say over 90 percent of his life works are on Metal Gear games...

sorry can't link... www.imdb.com/name/nm0463620/

Like I said, MGS isn't the only series he's worked on. The ZoE games are very cool.

I didn't mention gameplay, because its very debatable...and obviously competition can alwasys question that...but concerning everything else. Theres NO mind like kojima's.

MGS games equal QUALITY.

[QUOTE="colmusterd28"]

[QUOTE="ColoradoKindBud"]You do realize that MGS isn't the only games Hideo has worked on right? He's a living legend IMO. He's the Hitori Hanzo of videogames.ColoradoKindBud

I just looked up his history on IMDB.com (extremely reputable mass entertainment site) I'd say over 90 percent of his life works are on Metal Gear games...

sorry can't link... www.imdb.com/name/nm0463620/

Like I said, MGS isn't the only series he's worked on. The ZoE games are very cool.

Lunar Knights on DS was amazing as well.

[QUOTE="ColoradoKindBud"][QUOTE="colmusterd28"]

[QUOTE="ColoradoKindBud"]You do realize that MGS isn't the only games Hideo has worked on right? He's a living legend IMO. He's the Hitori Hanzo of videogames.TREAL_Since

I just looked up his history on IMDB.com (extremely reputable mass entertainment site) I'd say over 90 percent of his life works are on Metal Gear games...

sorry can't link... www.imdb.com/name/nm0463620/

Like I said, MGS isn't the only series he's worked on. The ZoE games are very cool.

Lunar Knights on DS was amazing as well.

Damn, I forgot all about that one! Another gem! Good call man!

How is he praised too much? He only has made a game that has a story to be one of the greatest story telling games in gaming history. I would be praising him aswell since the story in my opinion is the most important thing in a game, but also the gameplay has to be enjoyable or people wont even bother. But Kojima is just a master at what he does and that is draw his fans in with his amazing story telling and that takes the game to a whole nother level because it makes u want to play the game through to see what happens next. Kojima=Perfectionist At It's Finest.clintos59

high production values... absolutly... great story... eh, debatable... Its got some good elements and some really skippable stuff. Sorry, its just my honest opinion. I would say games like KOTOR or even mass effect more currantly blow mgs storylines out of the water...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hideo_Kojima

Kojima is a great developer. And your poll is a little one sided.

[QUOTE="clintos59"]How is he praised too much? He only has made a game that has a story to be one of the greatest story telling games in gaming history. I would be praising him aswell since the story in my opinion is the most important thing in a game, but also the gameplay has to be enjoyable or people wont even bother. But Kojima is just a master at what he does and that is draw his fans in with his amazing story telling and that takes the game to a whole nother level because it makes u want to play the game through to see what happens next. Kojima=Perfectionist At It's Finest.colmusterd28

high production values... absolutly... great story... eh, debatable... Its got some good elements and some really skippable stuff. Sorry, its just my honest opinion. I would say games like KOTOR or even mass effect more currantly blow mgs storylines out of the water...

kotor is one of the best stories in the history of gaming. not only that but you understand the whole thing after playing one game not like mgs's silly but entertaining story

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hideo_Kojima

Kojima is a great developer. And your poll is a little one sided.

Couth_

huh?!? two positives... (choice 2 is the "Im a normal person" responce Choice 3 is an I'm blinded by his beauty responce)

One negative... Choice one...

One kinda funny... he does look a little fem...

[QUOTE="Couth_"]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hideo_Kojima

Kojima is a great developer. And your poll is a little one sided.

colmusterd28

huh?!? two positives... (choice 2 is the "Im a normal person" responce Choice 3 is an I'm blinded by his beauty responce)

One negative... Choice one...

One kinda funny... he does look a little fem...

[QUOTE="clintos59"]How is he praised too much? He only has made a game that has a story to be one of the greatest story telling games in gaming history. I would be praising him aswell since the story in my opinion is the most important thing in a game, but also the gameplay has to be enjoyable or people wont even bother. But Kojima is just a master at what he does and that is draw his fans in with his amazing story telling and that takes the game to a whole nother level because it makes u want to play the game through to see what happens next. Kojima=Perfectionist At It's Finest.colmusterd28

high production values... absolutly... great story... eh, debatable... Its got some good elements and some really skippable stuff. Sorry, its just my honest opinion. I would say games like KOTOR or even mass effect more currantly blow mgs storylines out of the water...

no way. Are you joking me? Mass effect was nothing to MSG2. Story wise, emotio wise, and gameplay wise. DOn't fool yourself.

[QUOTE="colmusterd28"]

[QUOTE="clintos59"]How is he praised too much? He only has made a game that has a story to be one of the greatest story telling games in gaming history. I would be praising him aswell since the story in my opinion is the most important thing in a game, but also the gameplay has to be enjoyable or people wont even bother. But Kojima is just a master at what he does and that is draw his fans in with his amazing story telling and that takes the game to a whole nother level because it makes u want to play the game through to see what happens next. Kojima=Perfectionist At It's Finest.blackice1983

high production values... absolutly... great story... eh, debatable... Its got some good elements and some really skippable stuff. Sorry, its just my honest opinion. I would say games like KOTOR or even mass effect more currantly blow mgs storylines out of the water...

kotor is one of the best stories in the history of gaming. not only that but you understand the whole thing after playing one game not like mgs's silly but entertaining story

I can't argue... I think he did the whole 2 hours cutscenes at the end of MGS2 as a joke to see how many people claimed to understand it... Its like giving someone a glass of grape juice and telling them its wine just to see if they act drunk.

[QUOTE="colmusterd28"][QUOTE="Couth_"]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hideo_Kojima

Kojima is a great developer. And your poll is a little one sided.

Couth_

huh?!? two positives... (choice 2 is the "Im a normal person" responce Choice 3 is an I'm blinded by his beauty responce)

One negative... Choice one...

One kinda funny... he does look a little fem...

huh?!? why... the choice centers around my original post. Its saying, " I respect the man, he makes great games, he's not a god amungst men" its very positive...

[QUOTE="colmusterd28"]

[QUOTE="clintos59"]How is he praised too much? He only has made a game that has a story to be one of the greatest story telling games in gaming history. I would be praising him aswell since the story in my opinion is the most important thing in a game, but also the gameplay has to be enjoyable or people wont even bother. But Kojima is just a master at what he does and that is draw his fans in with his amazing story telling and that takes the game to a whole nother level because it makes u want to play the game through to see what happens next. Kojima=Perfectionist At It's Finest.Soulkiller225

high production values... absolutly... great story... eh, debatable... Its got some good elements and some really skippable stuff. Sorry, its just my honest opinion. I would say games like KOTOR or even mass effect more currantly blow mgs storylines out of the water...

no way. Are you joking me? Mass effect was nothing to MSG2. Story wise, emotio wise, and gameplay wise. DOn't fool yourself.

what? a story that you dont influence is better than oone you can

[QUOTE="blackice1983"][QUOTE="colmusterd28"]

[QUOTE="clintos59"]How is he praised too much? He only has made a game that has a story to be one of the greatest story telling games in gaming history. I would be praising him aswell since the story in my opinion is the most important thing in a game, but also the gameplay has to be enjoyable or people wont even bother. But Kojima is just a master at what he does and that is draw his fans in with his amazing story telling and that takes the game to a whole nother level because it makes u want to play the game through to see what happens next. Kojima=Perfectionist At It's Finest.colmusterd28

high production values... absolutly... great story... eh, debatable... Its got some good elements and some really skippable stuff. Sorry, its just my honest opinion. I would say games like KOTOR or even mass effect more currantly blow mgs storylines out of the water...

kotor is one of the best stories in the history of gaming. not only that but you understand the whole thing after playing one game not like mgs's silly but entertaining story

I can't argue... I think he did the whole 2 hours cutscenes at the end of MGS2 as a joke to see how many people claimed to understand it... Its like giving someone a glass of grape juice and telling them its wine just to see if they act drunk.

i did that to one of my friends and they pretended to be drunk. everybody looked at him funny and told him it was just apple juice.lol

Oh absolutely. He seems to be praised more of qualities he shows glimpses of or that only manifest themselves ever so slightly in his games, rather than on the substance of what comes across in the final products which aren't really amazingly genius at all.

I hear a lot of MGS fanboys (and they inevitably will now) focus far too much on how clever something is when the end effect on the player is slight at best and boils down to in many cases simply being fanservice.

[QUOTE="Couth_"][QUOTE="colmusterd28"][QUOTE="Couth_"]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hideo_Kojima

Kojima is a great developer. And your poll is a little one sided.

colmusterd28

huh?!? two positives... (choice 2 is the "Im a normal person" responce Choice 3 is an I'm blinded by his beauty responce)

One negative... Choice one...

One kinda funny... he does look a little fem...

huh?!? why... the choice centers around my original post. Its saying, " I respect the man, he makes great games, he's not a god amungst men" its very positive...

Have you played any of his games besides MGS?

[QUOTE="Soulkiller225"]

no way. Are you joking me? Mass effect was nothing to MSG2. Story wise, emotio wise, and gameplay wise. DOn't fool yourself.

blackice1983

what? a story that you dont influence is better than oone you can

Edit: you can also leave those pictures to systemwars.com, they're pretty annoying.

[QUOTE="blackice1983"][QUOTE="Soulkiller225"]

no way. Are you joking me? Mass effect was nothing to MSG2. Story wise, emotio wise, and gameplay wise. DOn't fool yourself.

white_sox

what? a story that you dont influence is better than oone you can

Edit: you can also leave those pictures to systemwars.com, they're pretty annoying.

video games are not movies though. the idea is controling your character and influencing the world around it so if a game has a great story that you can influence its going to better the a predetermined great story that you cant

i like bringing them with me when i come over here.

Where is the part of the Poll where I say, I dissagree with you and find your poll to be poorly worded. May I suggest a proper poll?

1.Yes I agree with you

2.No I do not agree with you.

3.I love the gears made of metal for the one is the la li lu le lo bananajama *because you feel the need for a humorous vote on your poll*

Nope...He derserves it...what other game even compares to his games?

Story? NOPE

Attention to detail? NOPE

Character creations? NOPE

Dialog? NOPE

MGS is in a league of its own..its deep, epic and can hit someone on emotional levels. Just because your the tpyical...average violence and shooter nut, that can't get by with alteast 10 cups of coffee a day, doesn't mean the MAN Kojimas overrated.

Forensic-Klown

this ain't hollywood

video games are not movies though. the idea is controling your character and influencing the world around it so if a game has a great story that you can influence its going to better the a predetermined great story that you cant

i like bringing them with me when i come over here.

blackice1983

He created and nearly perfected the stealth action genre. He also created the amazing Zone of the Enders series (please make a third :( ) and a few other gems. He deserves all the recognition and praise he receives.Not-A-Stalker

Get your facts right-Thief came at around the same time as Metal Gear Solid and did far more than the Metal Gear series has ever done. The rest, though, is quite true, except the last sentence; I feel that people like Warren Spector and Dennis Dyack, though they receive less praise, are more worthy of the adulation received by Kojima due to their status as visionaries rather than simply stellar developers. Like Stanley Kubrick and Orson Welles versus Tim Burton, they are the ones who have and continue to move the medium forward, while Kojima simply strives for excellence in the preexisting confines of gaming development. They are all excellent in their own rights, but the latter does not deserve to be considered above the former, thus making, in my eyes, the praise for Kojima unwarranted until it is reduced to the level given to the aforementioned men, or the praise for them is raised to the level of it granted to Kojima.

I like how ever option in your poll is condensending. beinss

That's why I didn't vote.

Kojima is the man. Plain and simple.

Yeah but it's nothing compared to the unwarranted praise Miyamoto gets.Lazy_Boy88