Does blu-ray matter?

I'm sick and tired of hearing that " You need Blu-ray, It won't fit on one DVD!" or " It takes up 15 gigs, you can't use DVD9!!"

Mind blowingly, you can have More than 1 disc!

" but you need 3 discs!" So? Saying a game will flop becuase you have more than one disc is like saying a game will fail because it has an ugly box.

That is all

hd dvd or blu ray what ever wins out wont be taking over the popularity of dvd for a long time or in my time frame (6-8 years). the price to own a 1080p tv and blu ray player is a lot of money right now. so in 6-8 years it will probably be more maintstream because that technology wont cost as much.xbox360isgr8t

Actually the price for a 1080p TV is getting lower and lower every few months and so are Blu ray prices.  YOu also dont need 1080p to enjoy Blu ray or HD DVD.  And again your forgetting that DVDs launched in like 96or 98 and didnt beat VHS in rentals until three years after the launch of the PS2 so DVDs hardly took over right off the bat.

The truth of the matter is Cable is switching to HD, TVs are switching to HD, video games are switching to HD, and its obvious movies will as well.  And with Blu rays sales and support it will most likely be the victor and it will be easier because movie lovers dont have to replace their collection due to Blu ray players playing DVDs as well and upconverting them.

I think it will. Bigger games will need more space and games are only going to get bigger as the generation goes on. However the PS3's blue ray has the disadvantage of being slow and if games need to be installed to the Hdd then that's a problem too because 60 GB could get used up fast.

It matters to some people, but I don't personally know of a single person who has a Blu-ray player or an HD-DVD player.Darthmatt

Does it matter? I personally dont think so. I also dont think a majority of people out there even care about bluray or HD-DVD. Most people right now are fine with the quality of DVDs. I dont see anyone going crazy or even showing interest in these new formats.

The only people this matters to is lame audio/videophile people who MUST have the very best in media quality or they just cant go on living; and a majority of cows who just jumped on the bluray bandwagon because it has the Sony PS3 brand name behind it.

I'm sick and tired of hearing that " You need Blu-ray, It won't fit on one DVD!" or " It takes up 15 gigs, you can't use DVD9!!"

Mind blowingly, you can have More than 1 disc!

" but you need 3 discs!" So? Saying a game will flop becuase you have more than one disc is like saying a game will fail because it has an ugly box.

That is all

mathew952

 Some of the great games came out in multi-discs..

It matters to some people, but I don't personally know of a single person who has a Blu-ray player or an HD-DVD player.Darthmatt

At one point I was the first kids I new with a VHS and then I was the first kid I knew with a DVD player....Just because you don't know anyone that owns one does not mean that it not selling 

Does it matter? I personally dont think so. I also dont think a majority of people out there even care about bluray or HD-DVD. Most people right now are fine with the quality of DVDs. I dont see anyone going crazy or even showing interest in these new formats.

The only people this matters to is lame audio/videophile people who MUST have the very best in media quality or they just cant go on living; and a majority of cows who just jumped on the bluray bandwagon because it has the Sony PS3 brand name behind it.

Evo310whp

A number of people will start caring has they buy HD TV. I don't see the point in having a HD TV and watching a movie on a normal DVD. 

As HD media for 1080p video with 7.1 Surround? Yes.

For video games? No.
foxhound_fox

What he said. 

[QUOTE="Darthmatt"]It matters to some people, but I don't personally know of a single person who has a Blu-ray player or an HD-DVD player.HarlockJC

At one point I was the first kids I new with a VHS and then I was the first kid I knew with a DVD player....Just because you don't know anyone that owns one does not mean that it not selling

[QUOTE="HarlockJC"]

[QUOTE="Darthmatt"]It matters to some people, but I don't personally know of a single person who has a Blu-ray player or an HD-DVD player.Darthmatt

At one point I was the first kids I new with a VHS and then I was the first kid I knew with a DVD player....Just because you don't know anyone that owns one does not mean that it not selling

Then why did they even buy an HDTV?  Crap in, crap out. 

I think it matters, but it's not as important right now. Many of the original PS2 games shipped on CD...by the time God of War rolled around, DVD-9's were required (I believe the game is around 8gb itself). Clearly, within the span of a single generation, game sizes increased 10-fold.

I do agree to a certain extent that  changing DVDs isn't that big of a deal- certainly isn't for me. However,  games seems to be moving in a direction that requires a real world (ala GTA3), regardless if it makes any sense for the game. These games, however, can NOT be put on multiple discs in an sensible form. The only solution to this problem for DVD-9 really is to reuse textures/objects (ala Oblivion...most generic world ever). I'll also take Brian Hastings' word that games this generation are going to need the extra space, since he is a developer and we're not.

As far as movies go, if Blu Ray can become the undisputed "next-gen" movie format by this Christmas, I think having that with your system will help sales.

The only problem is that the benefits of Blu Ray can't be seen right now, and it's necessary for Sony (in this case) to justify Blu ray with its games. If Sony is showing beautiful, persistant (not the MMO type) gameworlds that take up 20+GB, then I think they've made a good case for including it into the PS3. If it's just going to be games that could easily be divided up into multiple DVDs, then I'll say it was a bad decision.

And I know it wasn't the intention of your post, but a game CAN fail because of ugly boxart! 

[QUOTE="foxhound_fox"]As HD media for 1080p video with 7.1 Surround? Yes.

For video games? No.
ramey70

What he said. 

What they said.

[QUOTE="Darthmatt"]It matters to some people, but I don't personally know of a single person who has a Blu-ray player or an HD-DVD player.ArisShadows

[QUOTE="ArisShadows"][QUOTE="Darthmatt"]It matters to some people, but I don't personally know of a single person who has a Blu-ray player or an HD-DVD player.Darthmatt

Huh?

[QUOTE="Evo310whp"]

Does it matter? I personally dont think so. I also dont think a majority of people out there even care about bluray or HD-DVD. Most people right now are fine with the quality of DVDs. I dont see anyone going crazy or even showing interest in these new formats.

The only people this matters to is lame audio/videophile people who MUST have the very best in media quality or they just cant go on living; and a majority of cows who just jumped on the bluray bandwagon because it has the Sony PS3 brand name behind it.

HarlockJC

A number of people will start caring has they buy HD TV. I don't see the point in having a HD TV and watching a movie on a normal DVD. 

That maybe true. I however have two LCD HDTVs and I am perfectly fine watching DVDs on them. Bluray or HD-DVD matters to maybe movies but as for videogames I say no. Again unless you are some audio/videophile who must have the very best media stuff and whos eyes cant stand watching the last gen quality of DVDs I dont see a majority of the public going crazy over either of these formats for awhile. DVDs are still number 1 in the public's eyes.

[QUOTE="Darthmatt"][QUOTE="HarlockJC"]

[QUOTE="Darthmatt"]It matters to some people, but I don't personally know of a single person who has a Blu-ray player or an HD-DVD player.ramey70

At one point I was the first kids I new with a VHS and then I was the first kid I knew with a DVD player....Just because you don't know anyone that owns one does not mean that it not selling

Then why did they even buy an HDTV? Crap in, crap out.

[QUOTE="Darthmatt"][QUOTE="ArisShadows"][QUOTE="Darthmatt"]It matters to some people, but I don't personally know of a single person who has a Blu-ray player or an HD-DVD player.ArisShadows

Huh?

[QUOTE="ramey70"][QUOTE="Darthmatt"][QUOTE="HarlockJC"]

[QUOTE="Darthmatt"]It matters to some people, but I don't personally know of a single person who has a Blu-ray player or an HD-DVD player.Darthmatt

At one point I was the first kids I new with a VHS and then I was the first kid I knew with a DVD player....Just because you don't know anyone that owns one does not mean that it not selling

Then why did they even buy an HDTV? Crap in, crap out.

That's exactly my point.  Would you rather watch TV broadcasts in HD or SD?  Same with media.  Would you rather watch DVD or HD-DVD/Bluray?  It's the exact same thing.   

In gaming? Not really. The worst that'll happen is that we'll have multi-disk games, and that's only in certain genres and when compression isn't maximised.

In entertainment? Not yet. Maybe never. Not enough people own the expensive HDTVs, and HD formats don't provide the same revolutionary leaps DVD did from VHS. You pay more to get less basically. I can't see that taking off for a while, if ever. 

[QUOTE="xbox360isgr8t"]hd dvd or blu ray what ever wins out wont be taking over the popularity of dvd for a long time or in my time frame (6-8 years). the price to own a 1080p tv and blu ray player is a lot of money right now. so in 6-8 years it will probably be more maintstream because that technology wont cost as much.Javy03

Actually the price for a 1080p TV is getting lower and lower every few months and so are Blu ray prices. YOu also dont need 1080p to enjoy Blu ray or HD DVD. And again your forgetting that DVDs launched in like 96or 98 and didnt beat VHS in rentals until three years after the launch of the PS2 so DVDs hardly took over right off the bat.

The truth of the matter is Cable is switching to HD, TVs are switching to HD, video games are switching to HD, and its obvious movies will as well. And with Blu rays sales and support it will most likely be the victor and it will be easier because movie lovers dont have to replace their collection due to Blu ray players playing DVDs as well and upconverting them.

[QUOTE="Darthmatt"][QUOTE="ramey70"][QUOTE="Darthmatt"][QUOTE="HarlockJC"]

[QUOTE="Darthmatt"]It matters to some people, but I don't personally know of a single person who has a Blu-ray player or an HD-DVD player.ramey70

At one point I was the first kids I new with a VHS and then I was the first kid I knew with a DVD player....Just because you don't know anyone that owns one does not mean that it not selling

Then why did they even buy an HDTV? Crap in, crap out.

That's exactly my point. Would you rather watch TV broadcasts in HD or SD? Same with media. Would you rather watch DVD or HD-DVD/Bluray? It's the exact same thing.

If I didn't already have a PS3, there is no way I would drop a ton of cash on a HD media player.... I would THINK about getting the HD-DVD drive for my 360, but I would not spend more than $200 on an HD player. Even though I own a 50" 1080P Samsung DLP set, I am fine with DVD on it.

[QUOTE="ramey70"][QUOTE="Darthmatt"][QUOTE="ramey70"][QUOTE="Darthmatt"][QUOTE="HarlockJC"]

[QUOTE="Darthmatt"]It matters to some people, but I don't personally know of a single person who has a Blu-ray player or an HD-DVD player.snyper1982

At one point I was the first kids I new with a VHS and then I was the first kid I knew with a DVD player....Just because you don't know anyone that owns one does not mean that it not selling

Then why did they even buy an HDTV? Crap in, crap out.

That's exactly my point. Would you rather watch TV broadcasts in HD or SD? Same with media. Would you rather watch DVD or HD-DVD/Bluray? It's the exact same thing.

If I didn't already have a PS3, there is no way I would drop a ton of cash on a HD media player.... I would THINK about getting the HD-DVD drive for my 360, but I would not spend more than $200 on an HD player. Even though I own a 50" 1080P Samsung DLP set, I am fine with DVD on it.

Are you fine with regular SD digital cable broadcasts too, which are the same resolution as DVD's (480i)? 

sony never claimed bluray would help gaming... only that it offered "true hd" in 1080p...:roll:

it was the fanboys who drew the line to "bigger games with never before seen graphics"...

[QUOTE="Darthmatt"][QUOTE="HarlockJC"]

[QUOTE="Darthmatt"]It matters to some people, but I don't personally know of a single person who has a Blu-ray player or an HD-DVD player.ramey70

At one point I was the first kids I new with a VHS and then I was the first kid I knew with a DVD player....Just because you don't know anyone that owns one does not mean that it not selling

Then why did they even buy an HDTV? Crap in, crap out.

[QUOTE="ramey70"][QUOTE="Darthmatt"][QUOTE="HarlockJC"]

[QUOTE="Darthmatt"]It matters to some people, but I don't personally know of a single person who has a Blu-ray player or an HD-DVD player.ROLFCHANK

At one point I was the first kids I new with a VHS and then I was the first kid I knew with a DVD player....Just because you don't know anyone that owns one does not mean that it not selling

Then why did they even buy an HDTV? Crap in, crap out.

DVD's will look exactly the same as digital SD broadcasts since they are the same resolution. 

ive been watching HD movies, shows sports etc for over a year now and to tell you the truth I love them, i just know i had to get the most out of my 60' DLP HDTV Sony and I love it. This may sound funny but it irritates me to watch non-hd movies etc.

 Blu Ray is a key to High Definition. High Definition gaming requires big disk spaces, yes Blu Ray may not be needed right now, as DVD9 still big enough but its not for so much space left. for me, Sony did the right thing adding the future format now. I dont have to worry about getting a expensive stand along blu ray player and it saves space on my set-up. plus HD at its finest.

[QUOTE="ROLFCHANK"][QUOTE="ramey70"][QUOTE="Darthmatt"][QUOTE="HarlockJC"]

[QUOTE="Darthmatt"]It matters to some people, but I don't personally know of a single person who has a Blu-ray player or an HD-DVD player.ramey70

At one point I was the first kids I new with a VHS and then I was the first kid I knew with a DVD player....Just because you don't know anyone that owns one does not mean that it not selling

Then why did they even buy an HDTV? Crap in, crap out.

DVD's will look exactly the same as digital SD broadcasts since they are the same resolution.

[QUOTE="ramey70"][QUOTE="ROLFCHANK"][QUOTE="ramey70"][QUOTE="Darthmatt"][QUOTE="HarlockJC"]

[QUOTE="Darthmatt"]It matters to some people, but I don't personally know of a single person who has a Blu-ray player or an HD-DVD player.ROLFCHANK

At one point I was the first kids I new with a VHS and then I was the first kid I knew with a DVD player....Just because you don't know anyone that owns one does not mean that it not selling

Then why did they even buy an HDTV? Crap in, crap out.

DVD's will look exactly the same as digital SD broadcasts since they are the same resolution.

Digital SD broadcasts are in 480p.  Analog broadcasts are in 480i. 

[QUOTE="ROLFCHANK"][QUOTE="ramey70"][QUOTE="ROLFCHANK"][QUOTE="ramey70"][QUOTE="Darthmatt"][QUOTE="HarlockJC"]

[QUOTE="Darthmatt"]It matters to some people, but I don't personally know of a single person who has a Blu-ray player or an HD-DVD player.ramey70

At one point I was the first kids I new with a VHS and then I was the first kid I knew with a DVD player....Just because you don't know anyone that owns one does not mean that it not selling

Then why did they even buy an HDTV? Crap in, crap out.

DVD's will look exactly the same as digital SD broadcasts since they are the same resolution.

Digital SD broadcasts are in 480p. Analog broadcasts are in 480i.

[QUOTE="snyper1982"][QUOTE="ramey70"][QUOTE="Darthmatt"][QUOTE="ramey70"][QUOTE="Darthmatt"][QUOTE="HarlockJC"]

[QUOTE="Darthmatt"]It matters to some people, but I don't personally know of a single person who has a Blu-ray player or an HD-DVD player.ramey70

At one point I was the first kids I new with a VHS and then I was the first kid I knew with a DVD player....Just because you don't know anyone that owns one does not mean that it not selling

Then why did they even buy an HDTV? Crap in, crap out.

That's exactly my point. Would you rather watch TV broadcasts in HD or SD? Same with media. Would you rather watch DVD or HD-DVD/Bluray? It's the exact same thing.

If I didn't already have a PS3, there is no way I would drop a ton of cash on a HD media player.... I would THINK about getting the HD-DVD drive for my 360, but I would not spend more than $200 on an HD player. Even though I own a 50" 1080P Samsung DLP set, I am fine with DVD on it.

Are you fine with regular SD digital cable broadcasts too, which are the same resolution as DVD's (480i)?

Yes. I am not paying the extra monthly fee for an HD package... 

[QUOTE="Javy03"]

[QUOTE="xbox360isgr8t"]hd dvd or blu ray what ever wins out wont be taking over the popularity of dvd for a long time or in my time frame (6-8 years). the price to own a 1080p tv and blu ray player is a lot of money right now. so in 6-8 years it will probably be more maintstream because that technology wont cost as much.snyper1982

Actually the price for a 1080p TV is getting lower and lower every few months and so are Blu ray prices. YOu also dont need 1080p to enjoy Blu ray or HD DVD. And again your forgetting that DVDs launched in like 96or 98 and didnt beat VHS in rentals until three years after the launch of the PS2 so DVDs hardly took over right off the bat.

The truth of the matter is Cable is switching to HD, TVs are switching to HD, video games are switching to HD, and its obvious movies will as well. And with Blu rays sales and support it will most likely be the victor and it will be easier because movie lovers dont have to replace their collection due to Blu ray players playing DVDs as well and upconverting them.

But DVD didnt have the HD push that HDTVs, and cable are giving it.  Everyone wants an HDTV and they are becoming more and more affordable.  When a person spends more money on an HDTV you DONT think they might actually want to use it.  And by the time the scared people jump in it would be a minimal risk because Blu ray player upconvert DVD movies so you dont have to replace your old library.  Trust me, people who start buying HDTVs will wanna use it and Blu ray will be there.

I'm sick and tired of hearing that " You need Blu-ray, It won't fit on one DVD!" or " It takes up 15 gigs, you can't use DVD9!!"

Mind blowingly, you can have More than 1 disc!

" but you need 3 discs!" So? Saying a game will flop becuase you have more than one disc is like saying a game will fail because it has an ugly box.

That is all

mathew952

I think right now they dont need it, but in defense of the ps3, since it is the only next gen system that is using bluray to bring out its games on, I think this only gives freedom to the devs that want to make exclusive titles for the ps3. Just like Itagaki said, he was kind of dissappointed that MS didnt go with a next gen format. I think the good thing about bluray is that sony is just giving devs the freedom to throw whatever they want on there rather they want to or not, its just up to the devs. I also think that right now devs are use to compressing games soo much that they are used to using dvd's so yes it will take them a while before they start switching to bluray but all the first party games for the ps3 will take advantage of bluray and u can already see from a few games such as motorstorm and resistance fall of man. All im saying is that with bluray, devs now have the freedom to make worlds as large as they want, and dont have to cut out anything if they dont want to, they can keep it all on one disk, and that is a cool feature in my mind for a dev.

[QUOTE="snyper1982"][QUOTE="Javy03"]

[QUOTE="xbox360isgr8t"]hd dvd or blu ray what ever wins out wont be taking over the popularity of dvd for a long time or in my time frame (6-8 years). the price to own a 1080p tv and blu ray player is a lot of money right now. so in 6-8 years it will probably be more maintstream because that technology wont cost as much.Javy03

Actually the price for a 1080p TV is getting lower and lower every few months and so are Blu ray prices. YOu also dont need 1080p to enjoy Blu ray or HD DVD. And again your forgetting that DVDs launched in like 96or 98 and didnt beat VHS in rentals until three years after the launch of the PS2 so DVDs hardly took over right off the bat.

The truth of the matter is Cable is switching to HD, TVs are switching to HD, video games are switching to HD, and its obvious movies will as well. And with Blu rays sales and support it will most likely be the victor and it will be easier because movie lovers dont have to replace their collection due to Blu ray players playing DVDs as well and upconverting them.

But DVD didnt have the HD push that HDTVs, and cable are giving it.

[QUOTE="snyper1982"][QUOTE="Javy03"]

[QUOTE="xbox360isgr8t"]hd dvd or blu ray what ever wins out wont be taking over the popularity of dvd for a long time or in my time frame (6-8 years). the price to own a 1080p tv and blu ray player is a lot of money right now. so in 6-8 years it will probably be more maintstream because that technology wont cost as much.Javy03

Actually the price for a 1080p TV is getting lower and lower every few months and so are Blu ray prices. YOu also dont need 1080p to enjoy Blu ray or HD DVD. And again your forgetting that DVDs launched in like 96or 98 and didnt beat VHS in rentals until three years after the launch of the PS2 so DVDs hardly took over right off the bat.

The truth of the matter is Cable is switching to HD, TVs are switching to HD, video games are switching to HD, and its obvious movies will as well. And with Blu rays sales and support it will most likely be the victor and it will be easier because movie lovers dont have to replace their collection due to Blu ray players playing DVDs as well and upconverting them.

But DVD didnt have the HD push that HDTVs, and cable are giving it. Everyone wants an HDTV and they are becoming more and more affordable. When a person spends more money on an HDTV you DONT think they might actually want to use it. And by the time the scared people jump in it would be a minimal risk because Blu ray player upconvert DVD movies so you dont have to replace your old library. Trust me, people who start buying HDTVs will wanna use it and Blu ray will be there.

OK, I trust you.... HDTV's are still not in a majority of homes, and the fact that DVD didn't NEED a new tv should make the rates of adoption for an HD format even slower, as ALL sets are compatible with DVD, while HD media is only compatible with HDTV's. Not everyone want and HDTV, or else it woud be in a majority of homes, which it is not. The fact that ther is a format war going on will slow adoption rates further still. It is going to be at leat 5-6 years before we start seeing any significant adoption rate of an HD format.

[QUOTE="Javy03"][QUOTE="snyper1982"][QUOTE="Javy03"]

[QUOTE="xbox360isgr8t"]hd dvd or blu ray what ever wins out wont be taking over the popularity of dvd for a long time or in my time frame (6-8 years). the price to own a 1080p tv and blu ray player is a lot of money right now. so in 6-8 years it will probably be more maintstream because that technology wont cost as much.snyper1982

Actually the price for a 1080p TV is getting lower and lower every few months and so are Blu ray prices. YOu also dont need 1080p to enjoy Blu ray or HD DVD. And again your forgetting that DVDs launched in like 96or 98 and didnt beat VHS in rentals until three years after the launch of the PS2 so DVDs hardly took over right off the bat.

The truth of the matter is Cable is switching to HD, TVs are switching to HD, video games are switching to HD, and its obvious movies will as well. And with Blu rays sales and support it will most likely be the victor and it will be easier because movie lovers dont have to replace their collection due to Blu ray players playing DVDs as well and upconverting them.

But DVD didnt have the HD push that HDTVs, and cable are giving it. Everyone wants an HDTV and they are becoming more and more affordable. When a person spends more money on an HDTV you DONT think they might actually want to use it. And by the time the scared people jump in it would be a minimal risk because Blu ray player upconvert DVD movies so you dont have to replace your old library. Trust me, people who start buying HDTVs will wanna use it and Blu ray will be there.

OK, I trust you.... HDTV's are still not in a majority of homes, and the fact that DVD didn't NEED a new tv should make the rates of adoption for an HD format even slower, as ALL sets are compatible with DVD, while HD media is only compatible with HDTV's. Not everyone want and HDTV, or else it woud be in a majority of homes, which it is not. The fact that ther is a format war going on will slow adoption rates further still. It is going to be at leat 5-6 years before we start seeing any significant adoption rate of an HD format.

yes people do want hdtv's

[QUOTE="mathew952"]

I'm sick and tired of hearing that " You need Blu-ray, It won't fit on one DVD!" or " It takes up 15 gigs, you can't use DVD9!!"

Mind blowingly, you can have More than 1 disc!

" but you need 3 discs!" So? Saying a game will flop becuase you have more than one disc is like saying a game will fail because it has an ugly box.

That is all

squallff8_fan

I think right now they dont need it, but in defense of the ps3, since it is the only next gen system that is using bluray to bring out its games on, I think this only gives freedom to the devs that want to make exclusive titles for the ps3. Just like Itagaki said, he was kind of dissappointed that MS didnt go with a next gen format. I think the good thing about bluray is that sony is just giving devs the freedom to throw whatever they want on there rather they want to or not, its just up to the devs. I also think that right now devs are use to compressing games soo much that they are used to using dvd's so yes it will take them a while before they start switching to bluray but all the first party games for the ps3 will take advantage of bluray and u can already see from a few games such as motorstorm and resistance fall of man. All im saying is that with bluray, devs now have the freedom to make worlds as large as they want, and dont have to cut out anything if they dont want to, they can keep it all on one disk, and that is a cool feature in my mind for a dev.

The size of the world has almost no bearing on the amount of space used on the media.... The main factor in devoloping games regarding lenth and content will remain the same, $$$$. Bigger games cost more. Resistance and MS took up lots of space because they put multiple regions on the disk. There are benefits to BD, just not as far as a gamer should be concerned.

[QUOTE="snyper1982"][QUOTE="Javy03"][QUOTE="snyper1982"][QUOTE="Javy03"]

[QUOTE="xbox360isgr8t"]hd dvd or blu ray what ever wins out wont be taking over the popularity of dvd for a long time or in my time frame (6-8 years). the price to own a 1080p tv and blu ray player is a lot of money right now. so in 6-8 years it will probably be more maintstream because that technology wont cost as much.def_mode

Actually the price for a 1080p TV is getting lower and lower every few months and so are Blu ray prices. YOu also dont need 1080p to enjoy Blu ray or HD DVD. And again your forgetting that DVDs launched in like 96or 98 and didnt beat VHS in rentals until three years after the launch of the PS2 so DVDs hardly took over right off the bat.

The truth of the matter is Cable is switching to HD, TVs are switching to HD, video games are switching to HD, and its obvious movies will as well. And with Blu rays sales and support it will most likely be the victor and it will be easier because movie lovers dont have to replace their collection due to Blu ray players playing DVDs as well and upconverting them.

But DVD didnt have the HD push that HDTVs, and cable are giving it. Everyone wants an HDTV and they are becoming more and more affordable. When a person spends more money on an HDTV you DONT think they might actually want to use it. And by the time the scared people jump in it would be a minimal risk because Blu ray player upconvert DVD movies so you dont have to replace your old library. Trust me, people who start buying HDTVs will wanna use it and Blu ray will be there.

OK, I trust you.... HDTV's are still not in a majority of homes, and the fact that DVD didn't NEED a new tv should make the rates of adoption for an HD format even slower, as ALL sets are compatible with DVD, while HD media is only compatible with HDTV's. Not everyone want and HDTV, or else it woud be in a majority of homes, which it is not. The fact that ther is a format war going on will slow adoption rates further still. It is going to be at leat 5-6 years before we start seeing any significant adoption rate of an HD format.

yes people do want hdtv's

But aren't buying. People Want Ferrari's but how well do those sell? HDTV's are a luxury. Sure everyone wants one, but not everyone is getting one. I guess I should have phrased it, not everyone wants one bad enough to buy it. Are you happy?

[QUOTE="Javy03"][QUOTE="snyper1982"][QUOTE="Javy03"]

[QUOTE="xbox360isgr8t"]hd dvd or blu ray what ever wins out wont be taking over the popularity of dvd for a long time or in my time frame (6-8 years). the price to own a 1080p tv and blu ray player is a lot of money right now. so in 6-8 years it will probably be more maintstream because that technology wont cost as much.snyper1982

Actually the price for a 1080p TV is getting lower and lower every few months and so are Blu ray prices. YOu also dont need 1080p to enjoy Blu ray or HD DVD. And again your forgetting that DVDs launched in like 96or 98 and didnt beat VHS in rentals until three years after the launch of the PS2 so DVDs hardly took over right off the bat.

The truth of the matter is Cable is switching to HD, TVs are switching to HD, video games are switching to HD, and its obvious movies will as well. And with Blu rays sales and support it will most likely be the victor and it will be easier because movie lovers dont have to replace their collection due to Blu ray players playing DVDs as well and upconverting them.

But DVD didnt have the HD push that HDTVs, and cable are giving it. Everyone wants an HDTV and they are becoming more and more affordable. When a person spends more money on an HDTV you DONT think they might actually want to use it. And by the time the scared people jump in it would be a minimal risk because Blu ray player upconvert DVD movies so you dont have to replace your old library. Trust me, people who start buying HDTVs will wanna use it and Blu ray will be there.

OK, I trust you.... HDTV's are still not in a majority of homes, and the fact that DVD didn't NEED a new tv should make the rates of adoption for an HD format even slower, as ALL sets are compatible with DVD, while HD media is only compatible with HDTV's. Not everyone want and HDTV, or else it woud be in a majority of homes, which it is not. The fact that ther is a format war going on will slow adoption rates further still. It is going to be at leat 5-6 years before we start seeing any significant adoption rate of an HD format.

HDTVs dont have to be the majority of homes, it wasnt until last year that DVD players in peoples homes beat out VHS players yet that didnt hurt Bestbuy, SUncoast and many other companies that sell DVD movies for a living.  People will eventually have little choice in adopting HD since cable is switching and SDTVs are slowly phasing out.  You dont get it, Blu ray and HDTVs only need to penetrate the movie watching/buying market.  YOu look at video games sales and its HUGE but did you know only 40% of U.S. citizens play video games including handheld and PC.  HD and HDTVs is the future and prices and adoption rates are changing fast.  Before christmas HD DVD was slaughtering Blu ray and HDTVs were pretty expensive and then a huge price drop hit HDTVs and the adoption rate shot up and PS3 hit and Blu ray adoption rate shot up.  Its gonna be alot closer then that for Blu ray to make significant money with HDTV prices dropping and demand for them still high.

[QUOTE="def_mode"][QUOTE="snyper1982"][QUOTE="Javy03"][QUOTE="snyper1982"][QUOTE="Javy03"]

[QUOTE="xbox360isgr8t"]hd dvd or blu ray what ever wins out wont be taking over the popularity of dvd for a long time or in my time frame (6-8 years). the price to own a 1080p tv and blu ray player is a lot of money right now. so in 6-8 years it will probably be more maintstream because that technology wont cost as much.snyper1982

Actually the price for a 1080p TV is getting lower and lower every few months and so are Blu ray prices. YOu also dont need 1080p to enjoy Blu ray or HD DVD. And again your forgetting that DVDs launched in like 96or 98 and didnt beat VHS in rentals until three years after the launch of the PS2 so DVDs hardly took over right off the bat.

The truth of the matter is Cable is switching to HD, TVs are switching to HD, video games are switching to HD, and its obvious movies will as well. And with Blu rays sales and support it will most likely be the victor and it will be easier because movie lovers dont have to replace their collection due to Blu ray players playing DVDs as well and upconverting them.

But DVD didnt have the HD push that HDTVs, and cable are giving it. Everyone wants an HDTV and they are becoming more and more affordable. When a person spends more money on an HDTV you DONT think they might actually want to use it. And by the time the scared people jump in it would be a minimal risk because Blu ray player upconvert DVD movies so you dont have to replace your old library. Trust me, people who start buying HDTVs will wanna use it and Blu ray will be there.

OK, I trust you.... HDTV's are still not in a majority of homes, and the fact that DVD didn't NEED a new tv should make the rates of adoption for an HD format even slower, as ALL sets are compatible with DVD, while HD media is only compatible with HDTV's. Not everyone want and HDTV, or else it woud be in a majority of homes, which it is not. The fact that ther is a format war going on will slow adoption rates further still. It is going to be at leat 5-6 years before we start seeing any significant adoption rate of an HD format.

yes people do want hdtv's

But aren't buying. People Want Ferrari's but how well do those sell? HDTV's are a luxury. Sure everyone wants one, but not everyone is getting one. I guess I should have phrased it, not everyone wants one bad enough to buy it. Are you happy?

Ferrari's prices dont drop like HDTVs prices do nore is that brand of car ever gonna be the norm but HDTVs are.  That is a horrible analogy.

[QUOTE="Javy03"][QUOTE="snyper1982"][QUOTE="Javy03"]

[QUOTE="xbox360isgr8t"]hd dvd or blu ray what ever wins out wont be taking over the popularity of dvd for a long time or in my time frame (6-8 years). the price to own a 1080p tv and blu ray player is a lot of money right now. so in 6-8 years it will probably be more maintstream because that technology wont cost as much.snyper1982

Actually the price for a 1080p TV is getting lower and lower every few months and so are Blu ray prices. YOu also dont need 1080p to enjoy Blu ray or HD DVD. And again your forgetting that DVDs launched in like 96or 98 and didnt beat VHS in rentals until three years after the launch of the PS2 so DVDs hardly took over right off the bat.

The truth of the matter is Cable is switching to HD, TVs are switching to HD, video games are switching to HD, and its obvious movies will as well. And with Blu rays sales and support it will most likely be the victor and it will be easier because movie lovers dont have to replace their collection due to Blu ray players playing DVDs as well and upconverting them.

But DVD didnt have the HD push that HDTVs, and cable are giving it. Everyone wants an HDTV and they are becoming more and more affordable. When a person spends more money on an HDTV you DONT think they might actually want to use it. And by the time the scared people jump in it would be a minimal risk because Blu ray player upconvert DVD movies so you dont have to replace your old library. Trust me, people who start buying HDTVs will wanna use it and Blu ray will be there.

OK, I trust you.... HDTV's are still not in a majority of homes, and the fact that DVD didn't NEED a new tv should make the rates of adoption for an HD format even slower, as ALL sets are compatible with DVD, while HD media is only compatible with HDTV's. Not everyone want and HDTV, or else it woud be in a majority of homes, which it is not. The fact that ther is a format war going on will slow adoption rates further still. It is going to be at leat 5-6 years before we start seeing any significant adoption rate of an HD format.

 A. y ou buy a Digital Reciver (if you dont want digital cable) or

 B. you go buy a TV with DTV built in. by the time the mandate takes effect, you will see a huge price drop for HDTVS. 

me if i didnt own a HDTV , i would go with buying a HDTV with DTV built in (which any HDTV built today has it)

[QUOTE="snyper1982"][QUOTE="Javy03"][QUOTE="snyper1982"][QUOTE="Javy03"]

[QUOTE="xbox360isgr8t"]hd dvd or blu ray what ever wins out wont be taking over the popularity of dvd for a long time or in my time frame (6-8 years). the price to own a 1080p tv and blu ray player is a lot of money right now. so in 6-8 years it will probably be more maintstream because that technology wont cost as much.Javy03

Actually the price for a 1080p TV is getting lower and lower every few months and so are Blu ray prices. YOu also dont need 1080p to enjoy Blu ray or HD DVD. And again your forgetting that DVDs launched in like 96or 98 and didnt beat VHS in rentals until three years after the launch of the PS2 so DVDs hardly took over right off the bat.

The truth of the matter is Cable is switching to HD, TVs are switching to HD, video games are switching to HD, and its obvious movies will as well. And with Blu rays sales and support it will most likely be the victor and it will be easier because movie lovers dont have to replace their collection due to Blu ray players playing DVDs as well and upconverting them.

But DVD didnt have the HD push that HDTVs, and cable are giving it. Everyone wants an HDTV and they are becoming more and more affordable. When a person spends more money on an HDTV you DONT think they might actually want to use it. And by the time the scared people jump in it would be a minimal risk because Blu ray player upconvert DVD movies so you dont have to replace your old library. Trust me, people who start buying HDTVs will wanna use it and Blu ray will be there.

OK, I trust you.... HDTV's are still not in a majority of homes, and the fact that DVD didn't NEED a new tv should make the rates of adoption for an HD format even slower, as ALL sets are compatible with DVD, while HD media is only compatible with HDTV's. Not everyone want and HDTV, or else it woud be in a majority of homes, which it is not. The fact that ther is a format war going on will slow adoption rates further still. It is going to be at leat 5-6 years before we start seeing any significant adoption rate of an HD format.

HDTVs dont have to be the majority of homes, it wasnt until last year that DVD players in peoples homes beat out VHS players yet that didnt hurt Bestbuy, SUncoast and many other companies that sell DVD movies for a living. People will eventually have little choice in adopting HD since cable is switching and SDTVs are slowly phasing out. You dont get it, Blu ray and HDTVs only need to penetrate the movie watching/buying market. YOu look at video games sales and its HUGE but did you know only 40% of U.S. citizens play video games including handheld and PC. HD and HDTVs is the future and prices and adoption rates are changing fast. Before christmas HD DVD was slaughtering Blu ray and HDTVs were pretty expensive and then a huge price drop hit HDTVs and the adoption rate shot up and PS3 hit and Blu ray adoption rate shot up. Its gonna be alot closer then that for Blu ray to make significant money with HDTV prices dropping and demand for them still high.

But both formats are only like 1% of the total movie sales. So sure blu ray is winning, but it is such a small amout of sales  on the whole as to be insignificant. You obviously don't get it. Cable and broadcast are switching to digital(in fact most cable companys are already using digital), NOT HD. They are not going to alienate the MAJORITY of their customers by switching to HD, and leaving SD customers out in the cold.... 

The fact that you don't get that people without HDTV's are never going to buy an HD format player, is rediculous. EVERYONE can use DVD, you have to have an HDTV to use an HD media player.  Look how long it took DVD to become overtake VHS, and it was compatible with ALL sets. HD players are selling to a smaller market. The fact that I am having to spoon feed this to you is really sad. I agree that the HDTV market and HD player market will continue to grow, but that is not the point. The point is it will be about 5-6 years before those sale start to surpass that of DVD.  

[QUOTE="snyper1982"][QUOTE="def_mode"][QUOTE="snyper1982"][QUOTE="Javy03"][QUOTE="snyper1982"][QUOTE="Javy03"]

[QUOTE="xbox360isgr8t"]hd dvd or blu ray what ever wins out wont be taking over the popularity of dvd for a long time or in my time frame (6-8 years). the price to own a 1080p tv and blu ray player is a lot of money right now. so in 6-8 years it will probably be more maintstream because that technology wont cost as much.Javy03

Actually the price for a 1080p TV is getting lower and lower every few months and so are Blu ray prices. YOu also dont need 1080p to enjoy Blu ray or HD DVD. And again your forgetting that DVDs launched in like 96or 98 and didnt beat VHS in rentals until three years after the launch of the PS2 so DVDs hardly took over right off the bat.

The truth of the matter is Cable is switching to HD, TVs are switching to HD, video games are switching to HD, and its obvious movies will as well. And with Blu rays sales and support it will most likely be the victor and it will be easier because movie lovers dont have to replace their collection due to Blu ray players playing DVDs as well and upconverting them.

But DVD didnt have the HD push that HDTVs, and cable are giving it. Everyone wants an HDTV and they are becoming more and more affordable. When a person spends more money on an HDTV you DONT think they might actually want to use it. And by the time the scared people jump in it would be a minimal risk because Blu ray player upconvert DVD movies so you dont have to replace your old library. Trust me, people who start buying HDTVs will wanna use it and Blu ray will be there.

OK, I trust you.... HDTV's are still not in a majority of homes, and the fact that DVD didn't NEED a new tv should make the rates of adoption for an HD format even slower, as ALL sets are compatible with DVD, while HD media is only compatible with HDTV's. Not everyone want and HDTV, or else it woud be in a majority of homes, which it is not. The fact that ther is a format war going on will slow adoption rates further still. It is going to be at leat 5-6 years before we start seeing any significant adoption rate of an HD format.

yes people do want hdtv's

But aren't buying. People Want Ferrari's but how well do those sell? HDTV's are a luxury. Sure everyone wants one, but not everyone is getting one. I guess I should have phrased it, not everyone wants one bad enough to buy it. Are you happy?

Ferrari's prices dont drop like HDTVs prices do nore is that brand of car ever gonna be the norm but HDTVs are. That is a horrible analogy.

Do you honestly not get what I was saying?  Of course the adoption rate of HDTV's will grow, I never stated othewise. I am simply saying it will take at LEAST 5-6 year before a nex gen format takes over DVD. That is all. I agree it wasn't the best anaolgy, but I it was the first one that popped into my head. I still believe it was sufficient to get my point accross, that not everyone is buying one even though they want one.

[QUOTE="ramey70"][QUOTE="snyper1982"][QUOTE="ramey70"][QUOTE="Darthmatt"][QUOTE="ramey70"][QUOTE="Darthmatt"][QUOTE="HarlockJC"]

[QUOTE="Darthmatt"]It matters to some people, but I don't personally know of a single person who has a Blu-ray player or an HD-DVD player.snyper1982

At one point I was the first kids I new with a VHS and then I was the first kid I knew with a DVD player....Just because you don't know anyone that owns one does not mean that it not selling

Then why did they even buy an HDTV? Crap in, crap out.

That's exactly my point. Would you rather watch TV broadcasts in HD or SD? Same with media. Would you rather watch DVD or HD-DVD/Bluray? It's the exact same thing.

If I didn't already have a PS3, there is no way I would drop a ton of cash on a HD media player.... I would THINK about getting the HD-DVD drive for my 360, but I would not spend more than $200 on an HD player. Even though I own a 50" 1080P Samsung DLP set, I am fine with DVD on it.

Are you fine with regular SD digital cable broadcasts too, which are the same resolution as DVD's (480i)?

Yes. I am not paying the extra monthly fee for an HD package...

Then what is the point of owning and HDTV?  I'm baffled as to why you would do that.  It's like buying a 360 and ONLY playing original Xbox games on it. 

[QUOTE="snyper1982"][QUOTE="Javy03"][QUOTE="snyper1982"][QUOTE="Javy03"]

[QUOTE="xbox360isgr8t"]hd dvd or blu ray what ever wins out wont be taking over the popularity of dvd for a long time or in my time frame (6-8 years). the price to own a 1080p tv and blu ray player is a lot of money right now. so in 6-8 years it will probably be more maintstream because that technology wont cost as much.alfy13

Actually the price for a 1080p TV is getting lower and lower every few months and so are Blu ray prices. YOu also dont need 1080p to enjoy Blu ray or HD DVD. And again your forgetting that DVDs launched in like 96or 98 and didnt beat VHS in rentals until three years after the launch of the PS2 so DVDs hardly took over right off the bat.

The truth of the matter is Cable is switching to HD, TVs are switching to HD, video games are switching to HD, and its obvious movies will as well. And with Blu rays sales and support it will most likely be the victor and it will be easier because movie lovers dont have to replace their collection due to Blu ray players playing DVDs as well and upconverting them.

But DVD didnt have the HD push that HDTVs, and cable are giving it. Everyone wants an HDTV and they are becoming more and more affordable. When a person spends more money on an HDTV you DONT think they might actually want to use it. And by the time the scared people jump in it would be a minimal risk because Blu ray player upconvert DVD movies so you dont have to replace your old library. Trust me, people who start buying HDTVs will wanna use it and Blu ray will be there.

OK, I trust you.... HDTV's are still not in a majority of homes, and the fact that DVD didn't NEED a new tv should make the rates of adoption for an HD format even slower, as ALL sets are compatible with DVD, while HD media is only compatible with HDTV's. Not everyone want and HDTV, or else it woud be in a majority of homes, which it is not. The fact that ther is a format war going on will slow adoption rates further still. It is going to be at leat 5-6 years before we start seeing any significant adoption rate of an HD format.

A. y ou buy a Digital Reciver (if you dont want digital cable) or

B. you go buy a TV with DTV built in. by the time the mandate takes effect, you will see a huge price drop for HDTVS.

me if i didnt own a HDTV , i would go with buying a HDTV with DTV built in (which any HDTV built today has it)

I have seen the mandate, but that mandate is for broadcasts only. Sattelite, and lots(if not most) cable companies are already digital.