Does GTA IV deserves 10? Or 98 metascore?

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#1 Ravenchrome
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I don't think so.

I know there are tons of Rockstar fans here but I am sorry, I don't think GTA IV deserves scores that high.

I think it's a good game but not a masterpiece, not OoT.

The only game so far that I think deserves what it got is OoT.

I think GTA franchise is somehow overrated as well. Let's face it, westerners prefer violence nowadays, the reviewers even praise violence.

Hell, there is an emblem for violence in gamespot review.

Rockstar is lucky as Blizzard,ND or somebody else like Bioware or Valve don't make games in that genre, if not, they are probably in a great challenge now.

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#2 millerlight89
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I liked it a lot. Though I agree it doesn't. It deserves a 90 at best.
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#3 vashkey
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Ladies and gentlemen, welcome back to April 2008. At least it's not as often revisited as late 2007 with the constant Halo vs CoD threads.

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#4 Rhino53
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Noooooooooooooooooooo

Just no...

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#5 nintendo-4life
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How many times do we have to go through this? No it does not deserve those scores. But it's been two years now.. god.
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#6 Twin-Blade
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I'd struggle to justify giving it a 9.0.

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#7 AtlanticRock
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I think it does for the time it was released. But with RDR out now(which is a 10 in my book), I'd say a 9.0

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#8 N3xus9
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It deserves it as much as MGS4 does ... read that however you want

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#9 dercoo
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GTA4 is like the UMP from MW2.

I just don't get all the praise. Neither are that outstanding.

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#10 oldkingallant
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It deserves it as much as MGS4 does ... read that however you want

N3xus9
But not as much as Super Mario Galaxy 2 does :P. That's right we're making this another "Which AAAA is best?" debate. It'd be less cliche than this thread at least.
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#11 AmayaPapaya
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No, it doesn't. This is coming from someone who didn't even really hype GTA4. It was at most 8.5.

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#12 Parasomniac
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Rockstar is lucky as Blizzard,ND or somebody else like Bioware or Valve don't make games in that genreRavenchrome
Rockstar would still be better at it because they've done it way longer.
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#13 Ravenchrome
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[QUOTE="Ravenchrome"]Rockstar is lucky as Blizzard,ND or somebody else like Bioware or Valve don't make games in that genreParasomniac
Rockstar would still be better at it because they've done it way longer.

Just like how Mythic or Turbine been doing MMOs for longer but challenged by WoW, just like ID software has been doing FPS for longer but challenged by Valve,Bungie.

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#14 Parasomniac
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[QUOTE="Parasomniac"][QUOTE="Ravenchrome"]Rockstar is lucky as Blizzard,ND or somebody else like Bioware or Valve don't make games in that genreRavenchrome

Rockstar would still be better at it because they've done it way longer.

Just like how Mythic or Turbine been doing MMOs for longer but challenged by WoW, just like ID software has been doing FPS for longer but challenged by Valve,Bungie.

Making an open world game is probably the hardest kind of game to make for any developer. You see hundreds of FPS all the time but open world are few and far between. Most of them don't even attempt.
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#15 dkjestrup
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It deserves an 8, RDR deserves a 9. The actual gameplay needs A LOT of work.
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#16 Ravenchrome
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[QUOTE="Ravenchrome"]

[QUOTE="Parasomniac"] Rockstar would still be better at it because they've done it way longer.Parasomniac

Just like how Mythic or Turbine been doing MMOs for longer but challenged by WoW, just like ID software has been doing FPS for longer but challenged by Valve,Bungie.

Making an open world game is probably the hardest kind of game to make for any developer. You see hundreds of FPS all the time but open world are few and far between. Most of them don't even attempt.

MMO is harder.

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#17 AmayaPapaya
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I consider Rockstar very talented at what they do. I really doubt ND, Valve, or Bungie can make a sandbox game on the same level as RS considering the games they make aren't anything like SB games. ND did a SB thing with J&D, but in the end the game wasn't known for being a SB game.

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#18 LegatoSkyheart
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GTA IV was no...IS the biggest let down of the Generation.

I had really high hopes for it but they stripped the series WAY down.

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#19 dkjestrup
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[QUOTE="Parasomniac"][QUOTE="Ravenchrome"] Just like how Mythic or Turbine been doing MMOs for longer but challenged by WoW, just like ID software has been doing FPS for longer but challenged by Valve,Bungie.

Ravenchrome

Making an open world game is probably the hardest kind of game to make for any developer. You see hundreds of FPS all the time but open world are few and far between. Most of them don't even attempt.

MMO is harder.

Open world is overrated anyways. A Dragon Age/Borderlands/FF12 type set-up is usually better, because the levels are more polished and you don't feel overwhelmed. The problem with games like DA/Borderlands though is that they tend to spoil the world, by making every location a part of the main quest. FF12 did that a lot better with plenty left to explore. Personally they need to work on adding more fun things to do in these games. Also, GTA games should take note of games like Fallout 3 and TES4 when it comes to side quests and factions.
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#20 narog84
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how do you make a game worst than the predecessor? well probably cos the GTA SA guys are not the same . the game have some of the most boring missions in this generation

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#21 popopatrol
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Then is GTA IV the "most undeserving of a 10/10 King?" or how about the "game that was really good, but not exactly perfect King?"

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#22 travisstaggs
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No, at best it should of got a 8.0 or 8.5.

I only gave the game a 7.0 though, since I'm not a huge GTA fan.

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#23 dakan45
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If anything gta sa was 100000 times better with mores stuff and better missions and gameplay. So no, it was average at best with too damn borring missions.
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#24 Parasomniac
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Then is GTA IV the "most undeserving of a 10/10 King?" or how about the "game that was really good, but not exactly perfect King?"

popopatrol
It's more about 2008 having no games. There was nothing except MGS4 and GTA IV, both got 10/10
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#25 Magik85
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8.5 :P
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#26 7ojistix
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Nope. Most overrated game ever. Plus it has horrible framerate issues and its controls are wonky.

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#27 TheShadowLord07
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[QUOTE="popopatrol"]

Then is GTA IV the "most undeserving of a 10/10 King?" or how about the "game that was really good, but not exactly perfect King?"

Parasomniac

It's more about 2008 having no games. There was nothing except MGS4 and GTA IV, both got 10/10

what? 2008 had games though?

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#28 LongZhiZi
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I think it does. I look at the other 10/10 games here and wonder how they managed it, but not with GTAIV.
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#29 SapSacPrime
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People have given some of the best games ever made a 1.0 in the user review so I don't really take any reviews too seriously even if they are "professional". GTA IV was a pretty good game imo, I enjoyed the fact it was less arcadey and the relationships with the npc's but as far as open world games go Oblivion destroys it.

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#30 deactivated-635601fd996cc
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I'd struggle to justify giving it a 9.0.

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Yeah that score is waaaayyyy too low imo
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#31 Elutheria
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GTA4 was a great game, the DLC alone is better than most full priced games. If anything it is underrated now due to the massive backlash against the high scores it received. It may have been slightly overrated at the time, but I can see why reviewers got excited by it, there had never been such a detailed, living world created in a game before, to this day no-one has matched it. It did have problems with pacing, some control issues etc, but it remains a remarkable achievement.
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#32 dog_dirt
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why are you sorry. it just your opinion and its wrong

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#33 GeneralShowzer
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What makes the SW people qualified to judge how much a game should be rated on Metacritic? The critics, people who are getting payed to give scores, and who's opinion holds much more weight than yours have spoken, GTA IV is one of the best games this generation, if not the best. Nobody cares about your nerd internet rage.
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#34 popopatrol
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[QUOTE="Parasomniac"][QUOTE="popopatrol"]

Then is GTA IV the "most undeserving of a 10/10 King?" or how about the "game that was really good, but not exactly perfect King?"

TheShadowLord07

It's more about 2008 having no games. There was nothing except MGS4 and GTA IV, both got 10/10

what? 2008 had games though?

but we need to establish another king

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#35 markop2003
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No. The whole i dea of a perfect score is idiotic and whilst GTA4 was a great game i wouldn't say it's the best there is.
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#36 markop2003
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I think it does for the time it was released. But with RDR out now(which is a 10 in my book), I'd say a 9.0

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eh? You can't change a rating because something new comes out. Ratings should be completely objective not relative to hat else is out at the time. Also a perfect 10 means absolutely perfect in every way, not a single error, naturally then every other game released after it would attempt to copy it as the more similar the game is the higher the score.
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#37 racing1750
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No it doesn't. Maybe a 9.0/10 though.
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#38 Master_ShakeXXX
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It deserves it as much as MGS4 does ... read that however you want

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Incorrect statement because MGS4 actually deserved it.

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#39 Metalscarz
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What makes the SW people qualified to judge how much a game should be rated on Metacritic? The critics, people who are getting payed to give scores, and who's opinion holds much more weight than yours have spoken, GTA IV is one of the best games this generation, if not the best. Nobody cares about your nerd internet rage.GeneralShowzer

Werd Up.

This is how I feel as well.

NOTE: Go ahead and disagree with the metascore or GS 10. I couldn't care less. Fact is, the ratings are what they are. There is no over or under, just what is. To argue otherwise is nothing more then an inflated ego butthurt over opinions.

I'd give GTA 4 a solid 9.5 at release. A 9.0 by itself today and a a 10 overall if you include the Episodes. GTA4 improved EVERYTHING. The controls in SA are ASS. The story is INANE. The map is to big, with filler missions and BS diversions like eating and exercising.

GTA used to be a kids cartoon. Now it's a crime drama. ;)

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#40 Grawse
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It would have been criminal for GTA IV to get anything but a 10.

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#41 MiddleFingerU
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Does any game deserve a 10? Probably not. I loved GTA4 though, and my only complaint about it is the lack of things to do after you beat the main story.
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#42 johny300
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Dude you make 10 threads a day, and no it doesn't deserve a 10 or a 98 at metacritic.
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#43 GulliversTravel
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This again, anyways, EFLC was far superior, didnt stop it from only averaging around 90. Clearly the reviewers realised their mistake.
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#44 _R34LiTY_
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a 90/9.0 would be hard to justify alone for this game, let a lone a 10

oh well

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#45 N3xus9
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[QUOTE="N3xus9"]

It deserves it as much as MGS4 does ... read that however you want

Master_ShakeXXX

Incorrect statement because MGS4 actually deserved it.

played both and neither does

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#46 Eltormo
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No is the living proof that this industry play more hype than games,it was a good game but a 10 no way and this come from some one who finish GTA SA like 3 times.

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#47 foxhound_fox
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Funny. I thought Majora's Mask was a far greater "masterpiece" than Ocarina of Time. And many other games far more deserving of a 10.

GTAIV on the other hand; while well-made, is no more than a 7.5 game to me. There was a lot of content, just none of it interesting.

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#48 mitu123
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How many times do we have to go through this? nintendo-4life
Do you see what high rated games do to people?

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#49 lbjkurono23
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Funny. I thought Majora's Mask was a far greater "masterpiece" than Ocarina of Time. And many other games far more deserving of a 10.

GTAIV on the other hand; while well-made, is no more than a 7.5 game to me. There was a lot of content, just none of it interesting.

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100% agreed... don't see how it didn't get the same score smh...

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#50 lbjkurono23
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[QUOTE="Master_ShakeXXX"]

[QUOTE="N3xus9"]

It deserves it as much as MGS4 does ... read that however you want

N3xus9

Incorrect statement because MGS4 actually deserved it.

played both and neither does

Played both and MGS4 deserves it... now where does that leave us?... yeah, opinions are nice. Just don't try to pass yours as a fact :)