Does Mafia and Mafia II still have the best storyline for a open world game?

I really enjoyed the story in the first Mafia game, but I wouldn't call it the best ever in an open world game

[QUOTE="blackace"]

[QUOTE="SNIPER4321"] TBH. majority of core PC gamers prefer mafia cuz it suit more. GTA are for Dumb console gamers who like dudbro games Mafia are for intelligent PC gamers who like mature games.SNIPER4321

You do realize that Mafia and Mafia 2 were on game consoles as well right? Most likely they sold better on game consoles. :roll:

Now do me a favor. Look in the mirror and say, "Dummy". :lol:

i thought mafia 2 was awesome. the only problems i have are that it's kind of short and the ending is too abrupt.

[QUOTE="SNIPER4321"][QUOTE="FreedomFreeLife"]

I love how people say "NO" without ever played any Mafia game.savagetwinkie

Maturity is all about "blood screen so real!", "50 shades of grey", and "emoshun."

Who are you to claim otherwise?! :P

well that racing mission suck and i just want it to complete and rush. but last mission was amazing. it was hard but very impressive and atmospheric shoot-out. SNIPER4321

Oh, yeah, it was hard, but the challenge didn't come from good game design... oh, no, it came right from the horrible clunkyness of game mechanics.

Gunplay is a mess, the movement and the camera is incredibly restrictive, I'd find it easier to park a damn truck in real life than to score a headshot in Mafia... and I pretty much suck behind the wheel! :P

[QUOTE="SNIPER4321"]well that racing mission suck and i just want it to complete and rush. but last mission was amazing. it was hard but very impressive and atmospheric shoot-out. Rocker6

Oh, yeah, it was hard, but the challenge didn't come from good game design... oh, no, it came right from the horrible clunkyness of game mechanics.

Gunplay is a mess, the movement and the camera is incredibly restrictive, I'd find it easier to park a damn truck in real life than to score a headshot in Mafia... and I pretty much suck behind the wheel! :P

the set pieces, atmosphere, and storytelling made it easy for me to overlook the controls.

[QUOTE="_Matt_"]

I loved Mafia and Mafia 2, great games, I would personally pick them over Grand TRheft Auto anyday, but I know I'm in the minority there.

SNIPER4321

Crime story? Maybe

Open world story? No. That would go to Red Dead Redemption and GTA5. Soon probably The Witcher 3 aswell.

[QUOTE="Rocker6"]

[QUOTE="SNIPER4321"]well that racing mission suck and i just want it to complete and rush. but last mission was amazing. it was hard but very impressive and atmospheric shoot-out. CaseyWegner

Oh, yeah, it was hard, but the challenge didn't come from good game design... oh, no, it came right from the horrible clunkyness of game mechanics.

Gunplay is a mess, the movement and the camera is incredibly restrictive, I'd find it easier to park a damn truck in real life than to score a headshot in Mafia... and I pretty much suck behind the wheel! :P

the set pieces, atmosphere, and storytelling made it easy for me to overlook the controls.

I understand, and I agree... despite my criticisms here, as a whole, I really enjoyed Mafia. The sequel was great too, it looked great and I really loved the atmosphere, especially in the snowy parts. My only big complaint was the rushed and abrupt ending, as well. Felt like they wrote themselves into a corner with a story a bit too complicated to resolve in a more sensible manner.

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And unrelated, ever played Ctulhu, Dark Corners of the Earth?

It's an older, Lovecraftian horror game that's clunky as hell, full of bugs, yet as a whole, I still found it quite charming.

[QUOTE="CaseyWegner"]

[QUOTE="SNIPER4321"] and those who play first Mafia on console say it suck. because it was horribly port. kinda remind me of when ppls say Half life 2 is overrated and suck when they play inferior port in 2007 on xbox 4 years after real game. mafia 2 work on console because they GTAised it. SNIPER4321

i thought mafia 2 was awesome. the only problems i have are that it's kind of short and the ending is too abrupt.

*sigh*

Of all things, you bash the gunplay and combat in Mafia 2, the department that recieved by far the biggest improvements compared to the original? :o

[QUOTE="Rocker6"]

[QUOTE="SNIPER4321"] They ruined Gunplay and shootouts (my fav part of mafia) by introducing stupid cover system so that console gamers can play with controllers. than there are long boring driving. meele is all about QTE. they just ruined it. i remember before mafia 2 release. all ppls were like hur hur its too linear!! why its not like GTA! why no Freeedomz!! than they dumbed it downSNIPER4321

*sigh*

Of all things, you bash the gunplay and combat in Mafia 2, the department that recieved by far the biggest improvements compared to the original? :o

What "skills" were removed, aside from having to wrestle with the damn game just to play it?

[QUOTE="SNIPER4321"][QUOTE="Rocker6"]

*sigh*

Of all things, you bash the gunplay and combat in Mafia 2, the department that recieved by far the biggest improvements compared to the original? :o

Rocker6

What "skills" were removed, aside from having to wrestle with the damn game just to play it?

Mafia 1 plays perfectly fine with a mouse and keyboard. Chances are being very young, you played on the console.

[QUOTE="CaseyWegner"]

[QUOTE="Rocker6"]

Oh, yeah, it was hard, but the challenge didn't come from good game design... oh, no, it came right from the horrible clunkyness of game mechanics.

Gunplay is a mess, the movement and the camera is incredibly restrictive, I'd find it easier to park a damn truck in real life than to score a headshot in Mafia... and I pretty much suck behind the wheel! :P

Rocker6

the set pieces, atmosphere, and storytelling made it easy for me to overlook the controls.

I understand, and I agree... despite my criticisms here, as a whole, I really enjoyed Mafia. The sequel was great too, it looked great and I really loved the atmosphere, especially in the snowy parts. My only big complaint was the rushed and abrupt ending, as well. Felt like they wrote themselves into a corner with a story a bit too complicated to resolve in a more sensible manner.

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And unrelated, ever played Ctulhu, Dark Corners of the Earth?

It's an older, Lovecraftian horror game that's clunky as hell, full of bugs, yet as a whole, I still found it quite charming.

yeah. cool game too. i rented it several years ago.

[QUOTE="blackace"]

[QUOTE="SNIPER4321"] TBH. majority of core PC gamers prefer mafia cuz it suit more. GTA are for Dumb console gamers who like dudbro games Mafia are for intelligent PC gamers who like mature games.SNIPER4321

You do realize that Mafia and Mafia 2 were on game consoles as well right? Most likely they sold better on game consoles. :roll:

Now do me a favor. Look in the mirror and say, "Dummy". :lol:

half life 2 is overrated, and I played it on a PC, corridor shooter but lets your jump on desks during cutscenes, gravity gun was the height of that release.

[QUOTE="SNIPER4321"][QUOTE="blackace"]

You do realize that Mafia and Mafia 2 were on game consoles as well right? Most likely they sold better on game consoles. :roll:

Now do me a favor. Look in the mirror and say, "Dummy". :lol:

savagetwinkie

half life 2 is overrated, and I played it on a PC, corridor shooter but lets your jump on desks during cutscenes, gravity gun was the height of that release.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AXRo7ZTZAKg

Whenever someone claims Halflife is overrated, it's usually a good sign they don't know much about games.

[QUOTE="savagetwinkie"]

[QUOTE="SNIPER4321"] and those who play first Mafia on console say it suck. because it was horribly port. kinda remind me of when ppls say Half life 2 is overrated and suck when they play inferior port in 2007 on xbox 4 years after real game. mafia 2 work on console because they GTAised it. uninspiredcup

half life 2 is overrated, and I played it on a PC, corridor shooter but lets your jump on desks during cutscenes, gravity gun was the height of that release.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AXRo7ZTZAKg

Whenever someone claims Halflife is overrated, it's usually a good sign they don't know much about games.

Why show a video clip comparing CoD to Half life 2? That has nothing to do with what I said and doesn't even try to counter what I said. I gave the gravity gun a nod, it was fun but the game was still a corridor shooter 

[QUOTE="uninspiredcup"]

[QUOTE="savagetwinkie"]

half life 2 is overrated, and I played it on a PC, corridor shooter but lets your jump on desks during cutscenes, gravity gun was the height of that release.

savagetwinkie

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AXRo7ZTZAKg

Whenever someone claims Halflife is overrated, it's usually a good sign they don't know much about games.

Why show a video clip comparing CoD to Half life 2? That has nothing to do with what I said and doesn't even try to counter what I said. I gave the gravity gun a nod, it was fun but the game was still a corridor shooter 

Half Life 2.... was a corridor shooter.... idiot.

[QUOTE="uninspiredcup"]

[QUOTE="savagetwinkie"]

half life 2 is overrated, and I played it on a PC, corridor shooter but lets your jump on desks during cutscenes, gravity gun was the height of that release.

savagetwinkie

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AXRo7ZTZAKg

Whenever someone claims Halflife is overrated, it's usually a good sign they don't know much about games.

Why show a video clip comparing CoD to Half life 2?

To show you know nothing about games. It worked.

[QUOTE="Rocker6"]

[QUOTE="SNIPER4321"] I love these type of improvements where they remove all skills and replace with Cover systemuninspiredcup

What "skills" were removed, aside from having to wrestle with the damn game just to play it?

Mafia 1 plays perfectly fine with a mouse and keyboard. Chances are being very young, you played on the console.

I love when you project your own self onto others

[QUOTE="Rocker6"]

[QUOTE="SNIPER4321"] I love these type of improvements where they remove all skills and replace with Cover systemuninspiredcup

What "skills" were removed, aside from having to wrestle with the damn game just to play it?

Mafia 1 plays perfectly fine with a mouse and keyboard. Chances are being very young, you played on the console.

I don't think you have any right to use the "youth" argument, remember this:

When I was young like you fellows, I remember getting rainbow 6 - Vegas for Christmas. It was so exciting. Then I played it and something seemed off.

"what the hell is this" my little child like brain attempted to process.uninspiredcup

Link

If you admit being a child in 2006, you can't really be an old man by now, I'm afraid... :(

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And as usual, you assumption is way off the mark... being a PC-only gamer for most my gaming years and hearing Mafia on consoles was a pretty bad port, what reason would I have to play it there?

[QUOTE="savagetwinkie"][QUOTE="SNIPER4321"] some console gamers turn off my orignal mafia because it was too complex for them yet they complain about controlls. if u expect GTA type unserious, immature game with useless walking and pizza deliverym half nake girls and stript clubs than its not for you. but if u want mature theme game with serious story and art of writing and amazing atmosphere than Mafia is for you. the choice is yours

Rocker6

Maturity is all about "blood screen so real!", "50 shades of grey", and "emoshun."

Who are you to claim otherwise?! :P

maturity, 

if your talking about content, gta 5 is meant for adults

if your talking about it as a product, its a finished product 

For the game, its a mature game in both the ways talking, content and product lifecycle, 

Now the gamers on the otherhand... well thats debatable. But a mature player can understand the difference between reality and fake. A good portion of being a mature is knowing where/when to act certain ways, you can play a game like this and be mature, because its a fantasy world where you get to play as a criminal. 

Mature players keep fantasy in the fantasy, its all about being a criminal, but the game basically is as offensive, and violent as it can be. Mature players aren't going to go kill a hooker because GTA allows them to do it, they'll pay her and tip her well obviously like any good human beings should treat a hooker.

I'm going to go out on a limb and say no

And unrelated, ever played Ctulhu, Dark Corners of the Earth?

It's an older, Lovecraftian horror game that's clunky as hell, full of bugs, yet as a whole, I still found it quite charming.

Rocker6

I clearly remember playing it a couple of years ago, and though the game has its problems, it's in no way, shape or form clunky as hell. As for bugs, i think the PC version is bug free by now.

[QUOTE="Rocker6"]

And unrelated, ever played Ctulhu, Dark Corners of the Earth?

It's an older, Lovecraftian horror game that's clunky as hell, full of bugs, yet as a whole, I still found it quite charming.

Lucianu

I clearly remember playing it a couple of years ago, and though the game has its problems, it's in no way, shape or form clunky as hell. As for bugs, i think the PC version is bug free by now.

I played it earlier this year, and I still think it's clunky as all hell, it's painfully slow, the shooting is all over the place, and all the time, it just feels... odd.

As for bugs, ran into some really problematic technical issues where I got through the crashes by pure luck, had consistent crashing in one spot, couldn't fix it in any way, but ultimately, got through by luck, game simply decided to let me through after 20 crashes or so. And yes, I was using that unofficial patch.

[QUOTE="uninspiredcup"]

[QUOTE="Rocker6"]

What "skills" were removed, aside from having to wrestle with the damn game just to play it?

Rocker6

Mafia 1 plays perfectly fine with a mouse and keyboard. Chances are being very young, you played on the console.

I don't think you have any right to use the "youth" argument, remember this:

When I was young like you fellows, I remember getting rainbow 6 - Vegas for Christmas. It was so exciting. Then I played it and something seemed off.

"what the hell is this" my little child like brain attempted to process.uninspiredcup

Link

If you admit being a child in 2006, you can't really be an old man by now, I'm afraid... :(

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And as usual, you assumption is way off the mark... being a PC-only gamer for most my gaming years and hearing Mafia on consoles was a pretty bad port, what reason would I have to play it there?

Sadly, being unable to comprehend and take literally indicates even more i'm a grown up who drinks coffee and drives a car and stuff.

Sadly, being unable to comprehend and take literally indicates even more i'm a grown up who drinks coffee and drives a car and stuff.

uninspiredcup

That's exactly how a kid would describe a grown up.

[QUOTE="savagetwinkie"]

[QUOTE="uninspiredcup"]

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AXRo7ZTZAKg

 

Whenever someone claims Halflife is overrated, it's usually a good sign they don't know much about games.

Lumpy311

Why show a video clip comparing CoD to Half life 2? That has nothing to do with what I said and doesn't even try to counter what I said. I gave the gravity gun a nod, it was fun but the game was still a corridor shooter 

Half Life 2.... was a corridor shooter.... idiot.

[QUOTE="wis3boi"]

[QUOTE="uninspiredcup"]

 

Mafia 1 plays perfectly fine with a mouse and keyboard. Chances are being very young, you played on the console.

SNIPER4321

I love when you project your own self onto others

says the same dunce who complimented my other anime sig.  Don't you have better things to do,  like bang rocks together?

I played it earlier this year, and I still think it's clunky as all hell, it's painfully slow, the shooting is all over the place, and all the time, it just feels... odd.

As for bugs, ran into some really problematic technical issues where I got through the crashes by pure luck, had consistent crashing in one spot, couldn't fix it in any way, but ultimately, got through by luck, game simply decided to let me through after 20 crashes or so. And yes, I was using that unofficial patch.

Rocker6

I know the gunplay is pretty horrible, maybe you're referring to that, aswell as the weird jerky motion the hands/gun have (dunno how to explain better than that). But the controls are not clunky. Just standard first person m/kb combo.

If the game ditched the shooting aspect, which sucks, and focused on some more situational action (like how you have you run wile locking the doors in a certain situation) and storytelling, basically making it a adventure game, it would have been awesome.

Damn, that would have been awesome.

[QUOTE="SNIPER4321"][QUOTE="wis3boi"]

I love when you project your own self onto others

wis3boi

says the same dunce who complimented my other anime sig.  Don't you have better things to do,  like bang rocks together?

I think it's probably more to do with the fact it appears to be a little girl dressed... inappropriately.

Ask him not me but i'm pretty sure thats what he was talking about.

[QUOTE="wis3boi"]

[QUOTE="SNIPER4321"] look at your sig and u are not in position to criticize other usersuninspiredcup

says the same dunce who complimented my other anime sig.  Don't you have better things to do,  like bang rocks together?

I think it's probably more to do with the fact it appears to be a little girl dressed... inappropriately.

Ask him not me but i'm pretty sure thats what he was talking about.

and you're both trolls so your silly opinions don't matter

[QUOTE="Rocker6"]

I played it earlier this year, and I still think it's clunky as all hell, it's painfully slow, the shooting is all over the place, and all the time, it just feels... odd.

As for bugs, ran into some really problematic technical issues where I got through the crashes by pure luck, had consistent crashing in one spot, couldn't fix it in any way, but ultimately, got through by luck, game simply decided to let me through after 20 crashes or so. And yes, I was using that unofficial patch.

Lucianu

I know the gunplay is pretty horrible, maybe you're referring to that, aswell as the weird jerky motion the hands/gun have (dunno how to explain better than that). But the controls are not clunky. Just standard first person m/kb combo.

If the game ditched the shooting aspect, which sucks, and focused on some more situational action (like how you have you run wile locking the doors in a certain situation) and storytelling, basically making it a adventure game, it would have been awesome.

Damn, that would have been awesome.

Yeah... I guess it would be more accurate to call the controls unresponsive, standard stuff, but pushing buttons doesn't transfer well to the in-game actions. And true, would've been better with no shooting, hitting an enemy was pure luck, sometimes, the bullets just went through. And that fight near the end with those flying... polyps, or whatever the game called them, was a nightmare.

Still, it was an oddly good game, and if we ever got a sequel, I'm sure it would've ended up awesome.

[QUOTE="jg4xchamp"]F*ck Mafia 2sukraj

got get mafia 2 not bad innit but to rubbish what say bossman.

What the f*ck did you just say?

[QUOTE="sukraj"]

[QUOTE="jg4xchamp"]F*ck Mafia 2Clock-w0rk

got get mafia 2 not bad innit but to rubbish what say bossman.

What the f*ck did you just say?