Does Microsoft lose the NA market this time around, or will they retain it?

This is not a troll thread, but a serious question

I'm just wondering if Microsoft can still manage to retain their NA dominance, but from what I'm hearing a lot of Xbox fans have jumped ship. Or perhaps do you think it will be a really close fight here in NA? I think it's safe to assume the PS4 will outsell the Xbox One worldwide, but I'm more focused on NA sales. 

this is a troll thread

we all know the wii u will dominate north america

this is a troll thread

 

we all know the wii u will dominate north america

Sweenix

People are doing a pretty good job at convincing others that the internet is the devil.

So maybe.

[QUOTE="Sweenix"]

this is a troll thread

 

we all know the wii u will dominate north america

emgesp

we can wait

Probably not. Americans are smart enough to realize the power of the cloud. Foreigners are easily confused so its understandable why they'd go PS4. mems_1224

[QUOTE="I_can_haz"]

[QUOTE="mems_1224"]Probably not. Americans are smart enough to realize the power of the cloud. Foreigners are easily confused so its understandable why they'd go PS4. mems_1224

Microsoft isn't going to win NA this time around, but I still think the Xbox name has some clout to it. It will be close ,but overseas PS4 will win by a landslide. 

[QUOTE="mems_1224"][QUOTE="I_can_haz"]emgesp

M$ is gonna lose everything. New X1 will flop harder than the old X1.

[QUOTE="emgesp"][QUOTE="mems_1224"] Thanks for proving my point foreign filth. mems_1224

Hey guys, check out Amazon's top sellers page.  WOW!!!

 http://www.amazon.com/best-sellers-video-games/zgbs/videogames/ref=sv_vg_11

Probably not. Americans are smart enough to realize the power of the cloud. Foreigners are easily confused so its understandable why they'd go PS4. mems_1224

[QUOTE="mems_1224"][QUOTE="emgesp"] You really think The Cloud is going to push Xbox One units? Yeah, I think most customers look at price first before anything else. emgesp

[QUOTE="mems_1224"]Probably not. Americans are smart enough to realize the power of the cloud. Foreigners are easily confused so its understandable why they'd go PS4. Gaming-Planet

[QUOTE="I_can_haz"]

[QUOTE="mems_1224"]Probably not. Americans are smart enough to realize the power of the cloud. Foreigners are easily confused so its understandable why they'd go PS4. mems_1224

Hey guys, check out Amazon's top sellers page.  WOW!!!

 http://www.amazon.com/best-sellers-video-games/zgbs/videogames/ref=sv_vg_11

emgesp

:lol:

The PS4 bundles have invaded the list

The way they are building the media services, and limited international release give me the impression they are going US or bust.

Howeverm that poorly underestimates the international eneteranment market.

Hollywood does not focus a majority on the mainland for a reason anymore.

Its all about the international, and this is were I see Microsoft shooting themselves in the foot most.

Its no longer, get the US, get the world, its get the world to get the US.

Hey guys, check out Amazon's top sellers page.  WOW!!!

 http://www.amazon.com/best-sellers-video-games/zgbs/videogames/ref=sv_vg_11

emgesp

[QUOTE="mems_1224"][QUOTE="I_can_haz"]I_can_haz

The way they are building the media services, and limited international release give me the impression they are going US or bust.

Howeverm that poorly underestimates the international eneteranment market.

Hollywood does not focus a majority on the mainland for a reason anymore.

Its all about the international, and this is were I see Microsoft shooting themselves in the foot most.

Its no longer, get the US, get the world, its get the world to get the US.

dercoo

I honestly don't understand the logic behind this. If your competitor is doing a worldwide launch you're essentially giving them entire regions of the world. Sony is going to completely control the market in several notable countries. 

[QUOTE="emgesp"]

Hey guys, check out Amazon's top sellers page.  WOW!!!

 http://www.amazon.com/best-sellers-video-games/zgbs/videogames/ref=sv_vg_11

I_can_haz

I think we should start saying mems instead of lems seeing as he is the only one left and it rhymes :lol:

[QUOTE="I_can_haz"][QUOTE="emgesp"]

Hey guys, check out Amazon's top sellers page.  WOW!!!

 http://www.amazon.com/best-sellers-video-games/zgbs/videogames/ref=sv_vg_11

NathanDrakeSwag

I think we should start saying mems instead of lems seeing as he is the only one left and it rhymes :lol:

Some mainstream news sources started reporting that the Xbox One was against the military after some people started making a fuss about how it wouldn't work for them. That's one thing you don't do in America. For most people it doesn't matter what you think of the government so long as you don't specifically insult/act against the troops in any kind of way. In this situation it would be MS designing their system in a way that military personnel couldn't use it. While I don't think it's a big deal myself that's the one thing you don't do in America. If a mainstream news source is reporting that your product is anti-military you're pretty much ****ed.

[QUOTE="mems_1224"][QUOTE="I_can_haz"]So much tears and fail in your post.I_can_haz

Honestly, everyone is jumping ship. Almost all of the old Xbox fanboys on these forums have switched sides.

The Gamers Remember?

Some mainstream news sources started reporting that the Xbox One was against the military after some people started making a fuss about how it wouldn't work for them. That's one thing you don't do in America. For most people it doesn't matter what you think of the government so long as you don't specifically insult/act against the troops in any kind of way. In this situation it would be MS designing their system in a way that military personnel couldn't use it. While I don't think it's a big deal myself that's the one thing you don't do in America. If a mainstream news source is reporting that your product is anti-military you're pretty much ****ed.

whiskeystrike

[QUOTE="whiskeystrike"]

Some mainstream news sources started reporting that the Xbox One was against the military after some people started making a fuss about how it wouldn't work for them. That's one thing you don't do in America. For most people it doesn't matter what you think of the government so long as you don't specifically insult/act against the troops in any kind of way. In this situation it would be MS designing their system in a way that military personnel couldn't use it. While I don't think it's a big deal myself that's the one thing you don't do in America. If a mainstream news source is reporting that your product is anti-military you're pretty much ****ed.

I_can_haz

[QUOTE="emgesp"]

Hey guys, check out Amazon's top sellers page.  WOW!!!

 http://www.amazon.com/best-sellers-video-games/zgbs/videogames/ref=sv_vg_11

I_can_haz

[QUOTE="dercoo"]

The way they are building the media services, and limited international release give me the impression they are going US or bust.

Howeverm that poorly underestimates the international eneteranment market.

Hollywood does not focus a majority on the mainland for a reason anymore.

Its all about the international, and this is were I see Microsoft shooting themselves in the foot most.

Its no longer, get the US, get the world, its get the world to get the US.

UnknownSniper65

I honestly don't understand the logic behind this. If your competitor is doing a worldwide launch you're essentially giving them entire regions of the world. Sony is going to completely control the market in several notable countries. 

Worse yet, a pre E3 interview of Sony revealed the true negative of the always online/check in system.

In developing nations internet is unstable. Sony has and will continue to market products to poorer regions of South America, Africa, and Asia as part of their global effort.
The south american market as I recall was the reason for the PS2s continues sales for so long.

The reason they stated no intrest in online DRM policies was its alienation of these markets. This is were Microsoft's online DRM is going to trully bite them in the @$$. The US it may hurt sales some, but internationally it puts up a wall.

[QUOTE="UnknownSniper65"]

[QUOTE="dercoo"]

The way they are building the media services, and limited international release give me the impression they are going US or bust.

Howeverm that poorly underestimates the international eneteranment market.

Hollywood does not focus a majority on the mainland for a reason anymore.

Its all about the international, and this is were I see Microsoft shooting themselves in the foot most.

Its no longer, get the US, get the world, its get the world to get the US.

dercoo

I honestly don't understand the logic behind this. If your competitor is doing a worldwide launch you're essentially giving them entire regions of the world. Sony is going to completely control the market in several notable countries. 

Worse yet, a pre E3 interview of Sony revealed the true negative of the always online/check in system.

In developing nations internet is unstable. Sony has and will continue to market products to poorer regions of South America, Africa, and Asia as part of their global effort.
The south american market as I recall was the reason for the PS2s continues sales for so long.

The reason they stated no intrest in online DRM policies was its alienation of these markets. This is were Microsoft's online DRM is going to trully bite them in the @$$. The US it may hurt sales some, but internationally it puts up a wall.

A commenter on GT put it pretty well. In most places you can buy an HDTV if you save up ,but you can't save up for better internet if it doesn't exist.

My honest opinion is that the Xbox One will have a strong launch and maintain some momentum going into next year.  It's not the bad press that is going to kill the Xbox One so much as the people who are only buying it based on the fact that is is the next Xbox are going to start having some negative experiences with it (AKA: Johnny Uninformed).

Once the feedback on the machine starts to become negative, it will slow down.  I also think the PS4 will have better traction going into next year because the hardcore gamer has crowned it champion.  So, I predict that come E3 '14, we will see the second coming of Playstation in full swing.  For now, the dust just hasn't settled from all of this.

[QUOTE="whiskeystrike"]

Some mainstream news sources started reporting that the Xbox One was against the military after some people started making a fuss about how it wouldn't work for them. That's one thing you don't do in America. For most people it doesn't matter what you think of the government so long as you don't specifically insult/act against the troops in any kind of way. In this situation it would be MS designing their system in a way that military personnel couldn't use it. While I don't think it's a big deal myself that's the one thing you don't do in America. If a mainstream news source is reporting that your product is anti-military you're pretty much ****ed.

I_can_haz

Yeah that's the thing. If you live on post or deployed the military can straight up ban you from possessing certain things, Xbox One potentially being one of them if they feel it's dangerous enough. It sounds a bit ridiculous but that kind of PR could really muck up the Xbox One. A bunch of guys in my platoon as well as a lot of peeps I see on military forums have pretty much unaminously decided to say goodbye to Halo and grab a PS4.

And that's the crazy thing about this backfire on MS. It's not just GameSpot or Neogaf or Reddit. It's everywhere. Facebook, Twitter, Youtube, people talking about it in real life and now even news sources calling your product anti-military? MS has a lot of work to do and Sony only needs to not muck up and continue to push their "for the gamers" label.

This is not a troll thread, but a serious question

I'm just wondering if Microsoft can still manage to retain their NA dominance, but from what I'm hearing a lot of Xbox fans have jumped ship. Or perhaps do you think it will be a really close fight here in NA? I think it's safe to assume the PS4 will outsell the Xbox One worldwide, but I'm more focused on NA sales. 

emgesp

My honest opinion is that the Xbox One will have a strong launch and maintain some momentum going into next year.  It's not the bad press that is going to kill the Xbox One so much as the people who are only buying it based on the fact that is is the next Xbox are going to start having some negative experiences with it.

 

Once the feedback on the machine starts to become negative, it will slow down.  I also think the PS4 will have better traction going into next year because the hardcore gamer has crowned it champion.  So, I predict that come E3 '14, we will see the second coming of Playstation in full swing.  For now, the dust just hasn't settled from all of this.

Shewgenja

Both consoles will sell out of pre-orders eventually ,but I feel like this is going to be the real blow to microsoft. Once people who buy the console are faced with the DRM restrictions and the negative feedback starts things will go from bad to worse. If you have a PS4 you can lend games to your friends without any restrictions. Thats going to be a very noticable difference between the two consoles when people start playing on both of them.

Probably not. Americans are smart enough to realize the power of the cloud. Foreigners are easily confused so its understandable why they'd go PS4. mems_1224

To specifically answer this question, I'm unsure in the long run, but launch year its going to lose NA unless Sony simply runs out of stock.

People may not care about DRM as much as we think(though the effects of the shoutings of those that do care should not be underestimated), but the real reason I see it losing NA is price.

Their is a huge gap, and when parents go to buy a console they will go for the cheaper unit.

People say core gamers are not important, but core gamers are the ones that would pay 500$ for a system,

but they don't give a rat's @$$ about kninect besides its added cost.

Will it still sell though, if you have not seen X Amazon thread, yes it will sale decently at launch, but the odds of a majority are slim unless Microsoft makes severa radical changes(subscription plan, drop fored kinect bundle, slashing of price, ect ect)

[QUOTE="mems_1224"]Probably not. Americans are smart enough to realize the power of the cloud. Foreigners are easily confused so its understandable why they'd go PS4. Benny_Blakk

[QUOTE="I_can_haz"][QUOTE="whiskeystrike"]

Some mainstream news sources started reporting that the Xbox One was against the military after some people started making a fuss about how it wouldn't work for them. That's one thing you don't do in America. For most people it doesn't matter what you think of the government so long as you don't specifically insult/act against the troops in any kind of way. In this situation it would be MS designing their system in a way that military personnel couldn't use it. While I don't think it's a big deal myself that's the one thing you don't do in America. If a mainstream news source is reporting that your product is anti-military you're pretty much ****ed.

whiskeystrike

Yeah that's the thing. If you live on post or deployed the military can straight up ban you from possessing certain things, Xbox One potentially being one of them if they feel it's dangerous enough. It sounds a bit ridiculous but that kind of PR could really muck up the Xbox One. A bunch of guys in my platoon as well as a lot of peeps I see on military forums have pretty much unaminously decided to say goodbye to Halo and grab a PS4.

And that's the crazy thing about this backfire on MS. It's not just GameSpot or Neogaf or Reddit. It's everywhere. Facebook, Twitter, Youtube, people talking about it in real life and now even news sources calling your product anti-military? MS has a lot of work to do and Sony only needs to not muck up and continue to push their "for the gamers" label.

[QUOTE="emgesp"][QUOTE="mems_1224"] Thanks for proving my point foreign filth. mems_1224

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-face-off-gaikai-vs-onlive

[QUOTE="Shewgenja"]

My honest opinion is that the Xbox One will have a strong launch and maintain some momentum going into next year.  It's not the bad press that is going to kill the Xbox One so much as the people who are only buying it based on the fact that is is the next Xbox are going to start having some negative experiences with it.

 

Once the feedback on the machine starts to become negative, it will slow down.  I also think the PS4 will have better traction going into next year because the hardcore gamer has crowned it champion.  So, I predict that come E3 '14, we will see the second coming of Playstation in full swing.  For now, the dust just hasn't settled from all of this.

UnknownSniper65

Both consoles will sell out of pre-orders eventually ,but I feel like this is going to be the real blow to microsoft. Once people who buy the console are faced with the DRM restrictions and the negative feedback starts things will go from bad to worse. If you have a PS4 you can lend games to your friends without any restrictions. Thats going to be a very noticable difference between the two consoles when people start playing on both of them.