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[QUOTE="Alpha-Male22"][QUOTE="nervmeister"]Because it's better tool to help one decide what to buy. Sales mostly represent how well a game is advertised or marketed. It means virtually nothing in terms of quality. If that were the case, Mercenaries 2 would've been nominated for GOTY. Also, this may come as a shock to you, but games don't need to achieve Halo numbers or higher in order to profit. So try again.MizFitAwesome

Don't worry, he knows the rating is great for PS3 Exclusives lately so he falls back to the sales games. If the rating was bad, he'd be all over it. If The Rating Is Great, Attack the Sales, Despite Having No Relevance to the rating (which is what I've seen him do many times).

Yet I can see all of those high rated games collecting dust in videogame cabinets of most stores I shop. When all else fails, just blindly fallow, the cows credo...

Again, all you do is fall back to the sales when you can't argue the scores.

Referring to reviewers who have played the game doesnt make u a blind follower :lol: I'm not giving you my opinion, I'm showing u others. Sure, I may not have played every game with great reviews, but the fact that there are great reviews to begin with indicate that a game is well liked. I'm not a part of the "crowd", but the existence of a crowd that praises a game shows the quality of a game.

The irony of course is that you've used ratings to compare PS3 to 360 so don't start hiding behind sales and attacking what the crowd says when you yourself have referred to the crowd to prove your points in the past.

You seem to understand the rules of using scores to indicate the quality of a game/the quality of a hardware library here on SW... and you even use it to indicate that the PS3 is falling short against MS... yet when one tries to use scores to show that a PS3 game is actually receiving great reviews, you diregard it to judge a game on sales, and then quickly say its blind to go buy the crowd's opinions. Irony at its best.


When the scores succeed, just blindly hide behind sales, the Miz's credo..


Let's not even dive into the sales games to begin with. The PS3 lagging behind the 360 and little to no ads for games like Killzone 2 is what stops additional sales-- yet somehow you bash sales and use it to draw a poor correlation to the quality of a game. It's hard to draw that correlation when positive ratings are standing in the way, now isn't it? ;)

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#52 nervmeister
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[QUOTE="nervmeister"][QUOTE="MizFitAwesome"]

Actually renting is better, then again some of us prefer to use our own experiences with a game rather then rely on someone elses opinion to determine the games quality. Those of us that aren't blind followers...

MizFitAwesome

That works too. However you go about it, reviews and renting are far better means of determining quality than sales.

Nope, just renting. Unless I know the reviewer personally...

Sorry, but Aaron Greenburg and Bill Gates are busy people and thus won't always be there to give you their two cents. And my point still stands BTW.

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#53 ThePRAssassin
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but that was only because MS almost went bankrupt because they didn't have any AAAe's for the first 9 months of this year.

MizFitAwesome

That's it. I'm leaving this site until all these morons are banned. This comment is just...wow..:|..like really?

He was being sarcastic...

Is he? I'm pretty sure I've seen him post non-sarcastic comments just like this before. If I'm wrong, whatever.

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Ok whats the deal here.. the 360 has been getting killed this year in terms of AAAE and its as though they dont even care.. I mean it was like a MS executive had a board meeting with its shareholders and said "Ok my fellow executives, our goal for 2009 is to release Halo ODST, sell millions and go home" and the board members are voted yes to that plan. and Next year doesnt look so hot either.. I mean Games like MAG, Heavy Rain, God Of War 3 and Gran Turismo 5 all come out next year at the START of the year between Januarary and April while all of 360s semi good exclusives come out next fall... So is MS going to just sit back and let Sony just kill them the first half of next year with their killer line up and let PS3 take even more of a lead? I mean Where is Gears of war 3, thats the reason i bought my 360 3 years ago was because of Gears and Gears 3 is nowhere in sight.. Halo Reach? I dont want another Halo, give me variety MS not the same ole same ole.. So my question is, is MS just sitting back counting the money of all their Xbox live gold members paying them a yearly fee and forgetting about games? It just seems like MS gaming division morale is just down, i mean the previous years you would ALWAYS have PR from MS updating gamers with new games, coming out and atleast fighting back, this year its like they just plain ole dont care.. Yea they cut the price of the 360 but now the 360 is the same exact price as the PS3 for the first time and MS would have NEVER let that happen the last few years.Kennysolidsnake

Well, I would argue that MS's strategy this gen has ALWAYS been to throw out everything they've got right out of the gate and then hope it gains enough followers for them to coast the rest of the gen.

They rushed to market, they front loaded their launch library, and while it gained them a nice chunk in market share, they've been lackign the spotlight since the competition came out. First the Wii was getting all the glory. Now that the PS3 is $299 and is getting a consistent stream of quality titles that only appears to be gaining momentum next year...the 360 seems lacking in comparison. In the end they are back to square one...they are the shooter console that mainlyappeals to shooter fans and Sony haters.

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#55 Aku101
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I refuse to believe that anyone can think like this. It would simply wreck my sanity. Every single basic law of capitalism says that you are absolutely full of ****.pyromaniac223

Why can't a business care more about their customers than making money? It's a good thing Sony is pioneering this method of operating unlike Nintendo and MS. It can only mean good things for us gamers.

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#56 Stevie_Q
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The 360 dominates the past two years. Now it has one bad year and people assume that Microsoft is going to "give up?" Give me a break.

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#57 FunkyHeadHunter
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Wasnt long ago people were beating down the PS3 for not having any games. How has the 360 fallen? And "games worth playing" are based souly on each individual.

What has the PS3 come out with as of late that has beaten anything? Same for 360...what have any of them done lately that make you really excited and happy to be a gamer? What game has you thinking about it all day until you get home to play it?

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The 360 dominates the past two years. Now it has one bad year and people assume that Microsoft is going to "give up?" Give me a break.

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past two years? what r you talking about? ps3 beat 360 in 08 and destroyed it early of this year.

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#59 pyromaniac223
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[QUOTE="pyromaniac223"]

I refuse to believe that anyone can think like this. It would simply wreck my sanity. Every single basic law of capitalism says that you are absolutely full of ****.Aku101

Why can't a business care more about their customers than making money? It's a good thing Sony is pioneering this method of operating unlike Nintendo and MS. It can only mean good things for us gamers.

Because money is the only thing that keeps Sony going. That is the point of business. You don't form a business to help people, you form it to extract money from them. Sony could care less about you
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[QUOTE="Aku101"]

[QUOTE="pyromaniac223"]

I refuse to believe that anyone can think like this. It would simply wreck my sanity. Every single basic law of capitalism says that you are absolutely full of ****.pyromaniac223

Why can't a business care more about their customers than making money? It's a good thing Sony is pioneering this method of operating unlike Nintendo and MS. It can only mean good things for us gamers.

Because money is the only thing that keeps Sony going. That is the point of business. You don't form a business to help people, you form it to extract money from them. Sony could care less about you

Sony cares more about us than money.

Hence why Sony is pioneering in this area of being a business that has happy and satisfied customers while money being second thought. They care more about their customers than nintendo or MS and it's a good thing for ps3 owners. Hopefully one day 360 and wii owners can have the same experience if MS or nintendo learn from their ways.

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[QUOTE="Kennysolidsnake"]Ok whats the deal here.. the 360 has been getting killed this year in terms of AAAE and its as though they dont even care.. I mean it was like a MS executive had a board meeting with its shareholders and said "Ok my fellow executives, our goal for 2009 is to release Halo ODST, sell millions and go home" and the board members are voted yes to that plan. and Next year doesnt look so hot either.. I mean Games like MAG, Heavy Rain, God Of War 3 and Gran Turismo 5 all come out next year at the START of the year between Januarary and April while all of 360s semi good exclusives come out next fall... So is MS going to just sit back and let Sony just kill them the first half of next year with their killer line up and let PS3 take even more of a lead? I mean Where is Gears of war 3, thats the reason i bought my 360 3 years ago was because of Gears and Gears 3 is nowhere in sight.. Halo Reach? I dont want another Halo, give me variety MS not the same ole same ole.. So my question is, is MS just sitting back counting the money of all their Xbox live gold members paying them a yearly fee and forgetting about games? It just seems like MS gaming division morale is just down, i mean the previous years you would ALWAYS have PR from MS updating gamers with new games, coming out and atleast fighting back, this year its like they just plain ole dont care.. Yea they cut the price of the 360 but now the 360 is the same exact price as the PS3 for the first time and MS would have NEVER let that happen the last few years.ZIMdoom

Well, I would argue that MS's strategy this gen has ALWAYS been to throw out everything they've got right out of the gate and then hope it gains enough followers for them to coast the rest of the gen.

They rushed to market, they front loaded their launch library, and while it gained them a nice chunk in market share, they've been lackign the spotlight since the competition came out. First the Wii was getting all the glory. Now that the PS3 is $299 and is getting a consistent stream of quality titles that only appears to be gaining momentum next year...the 360 seems lacking in comparison. In the end they are back to square one...they are the shooter console that mainlyappeals to shooter fans and Sony haters.

"Lacking" ? Next year the 360 will be going toe to toe with the PS3 in terms of software... I actually look forward to a good fight between the two.. As for this year the 360 had a bunch of good/great titles that fanboys are choosing to ignore because they weren't AAAE.. (fair enough) But lets not forget that the PS3 went 18 months without an AAAE, did that make the PS3 a $600 paperweight for almost 2 years? Besides the 360 still has Forza and L4D2.. I personally would much rather play battlefeld or MW2.. those games look sic..
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[QUOTE="pyromaniac223"][QUOTE="Aku101"]

Why can't a business care more about their customers than making money? It's a good thing Sony is pioneering this method of operating unlike Nintendo and MS. It can only mean good things for us gamers.

Aku101

Because money is the only thing that keeps Sony going. That is the point of business. You don't form a business to help people, you form it to extract money from them. Sony could care less about you

Sony cares more about us than money.

Hence why Sony is pioneering in this area of being a business that has happy and satisfied customers while money being second thought. They care more about their customers than nintendo or MS and it's a good thing for ps3 owners. Hopefully one day 360 and wii owners can have the same experience if MS or nintendo learn from their ways.

Alright, I'm now sure that you are faking it. Either that, or you have never lived in a capitalist nation ever. Customer service is an area of business designed to satisfy customers and assure their future patronage. Never think for a second that sony actually cares about you. They don't want you to be happy. They want you to be content to give them money. If they wanted you to be happy, they would have gone out of business years ago.
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#63 SpiritOfFire117
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[QUOTE="ZoomZoom2490"]

[QUOTE="Stevie_Q"]

The 360 dominates the past two years. Now it has one bad year and people assume that Microsoft is going to "give up?" Give me a break.

past two years? what r you talking about? ps3 beat 360 in 08 and destroyed it early of this year.

How is it destroyed when it's still in use?
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[QUOTE="Aku101"]

[QUOTE="pyromaniac223"] Because money is the only thing that keeps Sony going. That is the point of business. You don't form a business to help people, you form it to extract money from them. Sony could care less about youpyromaniac223

Sony cares more about us than money.

Hence why Sony is pioneering in this area of being a business that has happy and satisfied customers while money being second thought. They care more about their customers than nintendo or MS and it's a good thing for ps3 owners. Hopefully one day 360 and wii owners can have the same experience if MS or nintendo learn from their ways.

Alright, I'm now sure that you are faking it. Either that, or you have never lived in a capitalist nation ever. Customer service is an area of business designed to satisfy customers and assure their future patronage. Never think for a second that sony actually cares about you. They don't want you to be happy. They want you to be content to give them money. If they wanted you to be happy, they would have gone out of business years ago.

I am happy with my ps3 because sony cares about me and sony is still in business. :S

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What M$ cares about and will always care about only is MONEY!

jakehouston88

How ignorant. The exact same applies for Sony and Nintendo

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#66 Stevie_Q
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[QUOTE="Stevie_Q"]

The 360 dominates the past two years. Now it has one bad year and people assume that Microsoft is going to "give up?" Give me a break.

ZoomZoom2490

past two years? what r you talking about? ps3 beat 360 in 08 and destroyed it early of this year.

I was hasty with domination, I suppose. '08 was close, more a matter of opinion. And yes, PS3 has destroyed the 360 this year. That's what I'm saying. Pre-08 however, the 360 destroyed the PS3. My point is, not too long ago we were making threads saying "Has Sony given up?"

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#67 pyromaniac223
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[QUOTE="pyromaniac223"][QUOTE="Aku101"]

Sony cares more about us than money.

Hence why Sony is pioneering in this area of being a business that has happy and satisfied customers while money being second thought. They care more about their customers than nintendo or MS and it's a good thing for ps3 owners. Hopefully one day 360 and wii owners can have the same experience if MS or nintendo learn from their ways.

Aku101

Alright, I'm now sure that you are faking it. Either that, or you have never lived in a capitalist nation ever. Customer service is an area of business designed to satisfy customers and assure their future patronage. Never think for a second that sony actually cares about you. They don't want you to be happy. They want you to be content to give them money. If they wanted you to be happy, they would have gone out of business years ago.

I am happy with my ps3 because sony cares about me and sony is still in business. :S

They're in business because they don't care about you. I have a piece of advice for you. Never go into any business-related profession. You'll get eaten alive.
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I am happy with my PS3 because sony cares about me and sony is still in business. :S

Aku101

yes i'm sure when sony told everyone to get two jobs so they could buy a PS3 they were really just looking out for your best interests

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[QUOTE="ZoomZoom2490"]

[QUOTE="Stevie_Q"]

The 360 dominates the past two years. Now it has one bad year and people assume that Microsoft is going to "give up?" Give me a break.

Stevie_Q

past two years? what r you talking about? ps3 beat 360 in 08 and destroyed it early of this year.

I was hasty with domination, I suppose. '08 was close, more a matter of opinion. And yes, PS3 has destroyed the 360 this year. That's what I'm saying. Pre-08 however, the 360 destroyed the PS3. My point is, not too long ago we were making threads saying "Has Sony given up?"

I agree as well that 08' is debatable.
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they dont care MS tries to spending less money as possible to get the most money as possible. Thats how they work and will always work.

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...I mean Games like MAG, Heavy Rain, God Of War 3 and Gran Turismo 5 all come out next year at the START of the year between Januarary and April while all of 360s semi good exclusives come out next fall...Kennysolidsnake
That's an opinion. Personally, I think MAG looks **** and couldn't give a toss about GT5. Heavy Rain looks interesting, and obviously GOW 3 will be ****ing amazing, but there are more games I want for the 360 next year than the PS3. Mass Effect 2, Alan Wake and Splinter Cell Conviction should all be out by Spring time next year, and I think those 3 games kill the 4 you mentioned...even if GOW 3 is one of them.
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[QUOTE="MizFitAwesome"]

[QUOTE="Alpha-Male22"] Don't worry, he knows the rating is great for PS3 Exclusives lately so he falls back to the sales games. If the rating was bad, he'd be all over it. If The Rating Is Great, Attack the Sales, Despite Having No Relevance to the rating (which is what I've seen him do many times).Alpha-Male22

Yet I can see all of those high rated games collecting dust in videogame cabinets of most stores I shop. When all else fails, just blindly fallow, the cows credo...

Again, all you do is fall back to the sales when you can't argue the scores.

Referring to reviewers who have played the game doesnt make u a blind follower :lol: I'm not giving you my opinion, I'm showing u others. Sure, I may not have played every game with great reviews, but the fact that there are great reviews to begin with indicate that a game is well liked. I'm not a part of the "crowd", but the existence of a crowd that praises a game shows the quality of a game.

The irony of course is that you've used ratings to compare PS3 to 360 so don't start hiding behind sales and attacking what the crowd says when you yourself have referred to the crowd to prove your points in the past.

You seem to understand the rules of using scores to indicate the quality of a game/the quality of a hardware library here on SW... and you even use it to indicate that the PS3 is falling short against MS... yet when one tries to use scores to show that a PS3 game is actually receiving great reviews, you diregard it to judge a game on sales, and then quickly say its blind to go buy the crowd's opinions. Irony at its best.


When the scores succeed, just blindly hide behind sales, the Miz's credo..


Let's not even dive into the sales games to begin with. The PS3 lagging behind the 360 and little to no ads for games like Killzone 2 is what stops additional sales-- yet somehow you bash sales and use it to draw a poor correlation to the quality of a game. It's hard to draw that correlation when positive ratings are standing in the way, now isn't it? ;)

Best post in the thread so far. Way to own that kid.

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[QUOTE="Stevie_Q"]

[QUOTE="ZoomZoom2490"] past two years? what r you talking about? ps3 beat 360 in 08 and destroyed it early of this year.

nervmeister

I was hasty with domination, I suppose. '08 was close, more a matter of opinion. And yes, PS3 has destroyed the 360 this year. That's what I'm saying. Pre-08 however, the 360 destroyed the PS3. My point is, not too long ago we were making threads saying "Has Sony given up?"

I agree as well that 08' is debatable.

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there is no debate.

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Ok whats the deal here.. the 360 has been getting killed this year in terms of AAAE and its as though they dont even care.. I mean it was like a MS executive had a board meeting with its shareholders and said "Ok my fellow executives, our goal for 2009 is to release Halo ODST, sell millions and go home" and the board members are voted yes to that plan. and Next year doesnt look so hot either.. I mean Games like MAG, Heavy Rain, God Of War 3 and Gran Turismo 5 all come out next year at the START of the year between Januarary and April while all of 360s semi good exclusives come out next fall... So is MS going to just sit back and let Sony just kill them the first half of next year with their killer line up and let PS3 take even more of a lead? I mean Where is Gears of war 3, thats the reason i bought my 360 3 years ago was because of Gears and Gears 3 is nowhere in sight.. Halo Reach? I dont want another Halo, give me variety MS not the same ole same ole.. So my question is, is MS just sitting back counting the money of all their Xbox live gold members paying them a yearly fee and forgetting about games? It just seems like MS gaming division morale is just down, i mean the previous years you would ALWAYS have PR from MS updating gamers with new games, coming out and atleast fighting back, this year its like they just plain ole dont care.. Yea they cut the price of the 360 but now the 360 is the same exact price as the PS3 for the first time and MS would have NEVER let that happen the last few years.Kennysolidsnake
Games come out when their ready not because of system wars. Look at GT5 people were sure it would be this year and its not.

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[QUOTE="nervmeister"][QUOTE="Stevie_Q"]

I was hasty with domination, I suppose. '08 was close, more a matter of opinion. And yes, PS3 has destroyed the 360 this year. That's what I'm saying. Pre-08 however, the 360 destroyed the PS3. My point is, not too long ago we were making threads saying "Has Sony given up?"

ZoomZoom2490

I agree as well that 08' is debatable.

mgs4 - 10 - goty

there is no debate.

Everything is up for debate since it's all opinion. I thought both 360 and PS3 had mediocre years last year.
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Microsoft likes money. They couldn't care less for the customers.
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They outsold the PS3 for more than 8 months straight this year alone, maybe they thought not to bother at the moment.
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I didn't know you can only play exclusives on the 360?

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#79 SpiritOfFire117
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Microsoft likes money. They couldn't care less for the customers.chapnzaba
Ahh Sony. They're just for the little guy.:P
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[QUOTE="pyromaniac223"][QUOTE="jakehouston88"]

What M$ cares about and will always care about only is MONEY!

Aku101

So does every single corporation ever.

No. Sony willingly invested billions of dollars into the PS3 and was losing money on each console sold to please the gamers by releasing the best games this gen exclusively on the PS3 because it can only be done on the ps3.

They are not greedy at all, plus their hardware doesn't break down so they actually bothered to make a good hardware architecture to make sure we gamers get the best product available even at Sony's expense

MS and Nintendo are greedy not Sony.

You're pretty naive aren't you?

The sole purpose of every company is to make money, period. Not to please their customers, not to please the government, just make a profit, and that's it. Of course, if you don't please your customers you won't make any money, unless you have a monopoly and people are forced to buy from you, but the point is companies exist to make a profit, and EVERYTHING they do is with that goal in mind.

Sometimes companies will loose money on certain products because of business reasons, like wanting to crush the competition, gaining market share, etc., but the long-term goal is always the same, make money.

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[QUOTE="Aku101"]

[QUOTE="pyromaniac223"] Alright, I'm now sure that you are faking it. Either that, or you have never lived in a capitalist nation ever. Customer service is an area of business designed to satisfy customers and assure their future patronage. Never think for a second that sony actually cares about you. They don't want you to be happy. They want you to be content to give them money. If they wanted you to be happy, they would have gone out of business years ago.pyromaniac223

I am happy with my ps3 because sony cares about me and sony is still in business. :S

They're in business because they don't care about you. I have a piece of advice for you. Never go into any business-related profession. You'll get eaten alive.

How do they not care about me? They constantly release good games that please me and have created a superior product in comparison to the competition even at their own loss just to please me. If that doesn't show about caring then what does? Sony is not greedy.

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#82 Cyberfairy
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MS knows that multiplats, exclusive content, flagship-titles like Gears and Halo etc. is enough to make them money. it's kinda sad though because it means less exclusives, but MS are the ones doing the business.

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#83 mattacular
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[QUOTE="Aku101"]

[QUOTE="pyromaniac223"] So does every single corporation ever.nunovlopes

No. Sony willingly invested billions of dollars into the PS3 and was losing money on each console sold to please the gamers by releasing the best games this gen exclusively on the PS3 because it can only be done on the ps3.

They are not greedy at all, plus their hardware doesn't break down so they actually bothered to make a good hardware architecture to make sure we gamers get the best product available even at Sony's expense

MS and Nintendo are greedy not Sony.

You're pretty naive aren't you?

The sole purpose of every company is to make money, period. Not to please their customers, not to please the government, just make a profit, and that's it. Of course, if you don't please your customers you won't make any money, unless you have a monopoly and people are forced to buy from you, but the point is companies exist to make a profit, and EVERYTHING they do is with that goal in mind.

Sometimes companies will loose money on certain products because of business reasons, like wanting to crush the competition, gaining market share, etc., but the long-term goal is always the same, make money.

Ha ha Aku you really have no clue what so ever, i'm surprised you can even string together a coherent sentence. Sony lost money on every console sold for one reason and one reason only and that was blu ray. From the moment the PS3 was conceived it was all about pushing blu ray into as many homes as possible so that blu ray would become the standard HD format. It had nothing to do with pleasing the gamers, Sony even stated prior to launch that people would buy it even if it had no games. The only reason you see more games coming out recently is because Sony underestimated the amount of people that would simply buy a different console. As a company they have had plenty of shady practices from exploding laptop batteries to the rootkit fiasco and let's not forget the PS2 was built like a piece of ****

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#84 ujjval16
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Speaking of Halo, what was the point of Bungie splitting (sort of) from MS because they wanted make more than just Halo games? I haven't heard about a new IP from them yet.

nervmeister

No, Bungie split from MS because they wanted to become independent. So if the ever wanted to make a game for the PS3 or Wii, they could.

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#85 FunkyHeadHunter
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[QUOTE="nervmeister"]

Speaking of Halo, what was the point of Bungie splitting (sort of) from MS because they wanted make more than just Halo games? I haven't heard about a new IP from them yet.

ujjval16

No, Bungie split from MS because they wanted to become independent. So if the ever wanted to make a game for the PS3 or Wii, they could.

Doesnt MS have rights to HALO though? Not sure just thought I read that before?

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#86 pyromaniac223
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[QUOTE="pyromaniac223"][QUOTE="Aku101"]

I am happy with my ps3 because sony cares about me and sony is still in business. :S

Aku101

They're in business because they don't care about you. I have a piece of advice for you. Never go into any business-related profession. You'll get eaten alive.

How do they not care about me? They constantly release good games that please me and have created a superior product in comparison to the competition even at their own loss just to please me. If that doesn't show about caring then what does? Sony is not greedy.

You keep thinking that they do that stuff to please you. One of these days, you're going to get an email from a nigerian prince, and your trusting, naive nature is going to murder you.
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#87 Next-Gen-Tec
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Stopped reading at the AAAE part. Already have an idea on what you said.
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#88 93soccer
Member since 2009 • 4602 Posts

What M$ cares about and will always care about only is MONEY!

jakehouston88
Just like every other company in ANY business!
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You keep thinking that they do that stuff to please you. One of these days, you're going to get an email from a nigerian prince, and your trusting, naive nature is going to murder you.pyromaniac223

LOL

Again, all you do is fall back to the sales when you can't argue the scores.

Referring to reviewers who have played the game doesnt make u a blind follower :lol: I'm not giving you my opinion, I'm showing u others. Sure, I may not have played every game with great reviews, but the fact that there are great reviews to begin with indicate that a game is well liked. I'm not a part of the "crowd", but the existence of a crowd that praises a game shows the quality of a game.

The irony of course is that you've used ratings to compare PS3 to 360 so don't start hiding behind sales and attacking what the crowd says when you yourself have referred to the crowd to prove your points in the past.

You seem to understand the rules of using scores to indicate the quality of a game/the quality of a hardware library here on SW... and you even use it to indicate that the PS3 is falling short against MS... yet when one tries to use scores to show that a PS3 game is actually receiving great reviews, you diregard it to judge a game on sales, and then quickly say its blind to go buy the crowd's opinions. Irony at its best.


When the scores succeed, just blindly hide behind sales, the Miz's credo..


Let's not even dive into the sales games to begin with. The PS3 lagging behind the 360 and little to no ads for games like Killzone 2 is what stops additional sales-- yet somehow you bash sales and use it to draw a poor correlation to the quality of a game. It's hard to draw that correlation when positive ratings are standing in the way, now isn't it? ;)

Alpha-Male22

Wow. A Powerstone/Dreamcast fan and you make epic posts like this? You sir have just been tracked.

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[QUOTE="spinecaton"]

Nope they don't care, after this year they are only going to have Natal and a pool of money from all the people paying to play Halo 3.

Kennysolidsnake

Exactly! Ive been saying it the last few years that MS long term strategy is to come out with 2 stellar online exclusive shooters (Gears and Halo) and have gamers keep paying the Xbox live renewal fee year after year just so they can keep playing those games online and let MS collect the billions in xbox live membership fees over the years, its easy money for MS and is making them complacent.

True thats why their coming out with ODST and halo reach, Left for dead 2. then they might come out with Halo 4 which will sell like 10 million the first week.

Bill gates is a money making Machine.

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[QUOTE="pyromaniac223"]You keep thinking that they do that stuff to please you. One of these days, you're going to get an email from a nigerian prince, and your trusting, naive nature is going to murder you.boredy-Mcbored

LOL

Again, all you do is fall back to the sales when you can't argue the scores

Alpha-Male22

Wow. A Powerstone/Dreamcast fan and you make epic posts like this? You sir have just been tracked.

Hey now, what's that supposed to mean? Lol, thanks for the compliment, but what's wrong with being a Power Stone/Dreamcast fan XD
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[QUOTE="Kennysolidsnake"][QUOTE="spinecaton"]

Nope they don't care, after this year they are only going to have Natal and a pool of money from all the people paying to play Halo 3.

Munasha

Exactly! Ive been saying it the last few years that MS long term strategy is to come out with 2 stellar online exclusive shooters (Gears and Halo) and have gamers keep paying the Xbox live renewal fee year after year just so they can keep playing those games online and let MS collect the billions in xbox live membership fees over the years, its easy money for MS and is making them complacent.

True thats why their coming out with ODST and halo reach, Left for dead 2. then they might come out with Halo 4 which will sell like 10 million the first week.

Bill gates is a money making Machine.

Bill Gates is no longer associated with Microsoft
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[QUOTE="Alpha-Male22"][QUOTE="nervmeister"]Because it's better tool to help one decide what to buy. Sales mostly represent how well a game is advertised or marketed. It means virtually nothing in terms of quality. If that were the case, Mercenaries 2 would've been nominated for GOTY. Also, this may come as a shock to you, but games don't need to achieve Halo numbers or higher in order to profit. So try again.MizFitAwesome

Don't worry, he knows the rating is great for PS3 Exclusives lately so he falls back to the sales games. If the rating was bad, he'd be all over it. If The Rating Is Great, Attack the Sales, Despite Having No Relevance to the rating (which is what I've seen him do many times).

Yet I can see all of those high rated games collecting dust in videogame cabinets of most stores I shop. When all else fails, just blindly fallow, the cows credo...

Thats like the pot calling the kettle black.. .you bash the ps3 and sony every chance you get...blindly follwoing other hardcore lemmings on this site when they do the same. Why not look at your self bud... seriously! The word "LEMMING" and the game Lemmings is for exactly that: "just blindly fallow"(ing) the crowd... like with halo.. Those AAA+ games on ps3 are fantastic! I own around 50 ps3 disc games and am having a blast. I always go back to my old games.
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[QUOTE="pyromaniac223"]

I refuse to believe that anyone can think like this. It would simply wreck my sanity. Every single basic law of capitalism says that you are absolutely full of ****.Aku101

Why can't a business care more about their customers than making money? It's a good thing Sony is pioneering this method of operating unlike Nintendo and MS. It can only mean good things for us gamers.

Actaully this is a very good business model, and the rewards it brings comes out in the "long term" not the short term. My boss made us read a marketing book about just this, its what are business is based off of. Pleasing the customer above all else, going beyond the norm.. Loyalty brings word of mouth which spreads like wild fire...viral marketing... The company i am apart of is so successful because of this philosopy we don't have to advertise at all.
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The #1 reason why the use of ratings is fail and why the cows follow along and can't form their own opinions. The review is made by a total stranger, that no one really knows the reviewers personal tastes as it pertains to his own. Using the same logic which movie is better Slumdog Millionaire or Dark Knight? Cows will tell you Slumdog Millionaire because more critics loved it, yet the movie isn't that great. Face reality cows, using the scores is the worst way to determine success because it's a total strangers opinion of the game. Renting is the best way because then you can tell if you like it and sales come in a distent 2nd. Trying to say Sony is somehow winning because the game is scoring high yet not selling is blind loyalty in its purest form. "I just bought the game because some total stranger told me so and I love it because the total stranger told me so.'

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#96 MizFitAwesome
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[QUOTE="Aku101"]

[QUOTE="pyromaniac223"]

I refuse to believe that anyone can think like this. It would simply wreck my sanity. Every single basic law of capitalism says that you are absolutely full of ****.Midnightshade29

Why can't a business care more about their customers than making money? It's a good thing Sony is pioneering this method of operating unlike Nintendo and MS. It can only mean good things for us gamers.

Actaully this is a very good business model, and the rewards it brings comes out in the "long term" not the short term. My boss made us read a marketing book about just this, its what are business is based off of. Pleasing the customer above all else, going beyond the norm.. Loyalty brings word of mouth which spreads like wild fire...viral marketing... The company i am apart of is so successful because of this philosopy we don't have to advertise at all.

So how does this apply to Sony when most word of mouth I here outside of here says avoid the system?

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The #1 reason why the use of ratings is fail and why the cows follow along and can't form their own opinions. The review is made by a total stranger, that no one really knows the reviewers personal tastes as it pertains to his own. Using the same logic which movie is better Slumdog Millionaire or Dark Knight? Cows will tell you Slumdog Millionaire because more critics loved it, yet the movie isn't that great. Face reality cows, using the scores is the worst way to determine success because it's a total strangers opinion of the game. Renting is the best way because then you can tell if you like it and sales come in a distent 2nd. Trying to say Sony is somehow winning because the game is scoring high yet not selling is blind loyalty in its purest form. "I just bought the game because some total stranger told me so and I love it because the total stranger told me so.'

MizFitAwesome

Why are you saying stuff we already know to prove a point that doesn't exist?

We know the review is made by a total stranger. We don't have to know a reviewers personal tastes-- we can see how he feels about a game through the rating/review he gives it. And this isn't one reviewer we are talking about. When people look at ratings, they look at a mass average based on numerous scores. When there is a consistently good rating, one can point out REGARDLESS if an individual has personally played the game himself, that the game has redeeming attributes that many adhere to.

Why does a person have to know a reviewer personally anyway? And why look at one reviewer? Like I said, games are judged by an overall rating-- many people here care about GS because this is SW but everybody goes to many other sites to look at other ratings.

There is absolutely NO reason to attack just cows. EVERYBODY here uses scores to justify the greatness of a game. When someone is telling me about how great something like Gears of War is, do you really think I want to hear that it has great sales!? I mean seriously now MizFit-- I'd expect someone to tell me the game has received a great amount of critical acclaim. If a game like Okami were being recommended, do you really think that telling me it sold poorly is going to tell me ANYTHING about how the game is? Stating Okami's numerous great scores (NOT the score of one reviewer as you try to push in your little theory) is what's going to convince me that there is a good amount of people who enjoyed the game.


Sales is a pathetic thing to fall back to when trying to find out the quality of a game-- especially since reviews are a much more efficient, detailed, and informed way.


I don't understand your Slumdog/Knights comparison.

Cows aren't going to TELL you that--- wait let me stop right there. Cows are going to tell me Slumdog is great? Let's just attack people in general instead of attacking the cows. I know you have beef with them (get it?), but let's make sense of this without any hidden agendas.

If Slumdog gets great reviews by a whole bunch of people, I am going to think it's likely going to be great. And where does this leave Dark Knight by the way? That movie is great, dont you think? It's gotten a lot of great reviews, so by that, I am going to say that Dark Knight sounds great too... Where exactly are you going with this Slumdog/Dark Knight comparison again?

Let's set up a better example my friend:

Meet the Spartans is a horrid movie. It's gotten a lot of hateful reviews and it's been widely acknowledged as a total disgrace. It was #1 In Box Office. Am I to understand by your "Sales indicates quality" argument that this movie was GREAT!??

Really, now? Sure, great games do tend to have great sales-- but this isn't the movies, which has a much larger appeal to the average American by the way. When it comes to games like PS3 exclusives, you are trying to put down the game knowing full well that the console has the lowest sales this gen and the poorest advertising for its game (before the new "It Only Does Everything" ads).

No one said Sony is "winning" anything-- what do you even mean by that? It's such a vague statement and you seem defensive and insecure about cows being able to brag about the AAAE games more than anything else. Its scoring great games, and by statistical analysis, it is getting the most highest rated exclusives this year.


You know that is a fact, and you try to knock down sales despite the fact (like I have proven ealier) that you yourself have used ratings to point out the PS3 is falling behind the 360.

The fact that you use scores to draw a conclusion between comparing 360 software to PS3 software shows that you blindly go by numbers and reviews. You must obviously trust them to use them. By your own admittance, you are a blind fanboy who says games are great based on reviews.

I personally have no problem stating just that. I don't give personal experience but direct you to the personal experience of numerous others who have enjoyed the game.

Once again, sales prove nothing to the quality of a game-- only that it has a lot of sales. I'm sure you don't think Wii Fit is better than a host of games like Okami. At least I hope not.

Also, your pretty vague when describing sales. You stated earlier that you see PS3 games collecting dust in stores. First of all, I'm surprised you can notice the dust whe your standing in front of the cashier register... you must look pretty silly squinting at the dust collected on those PS3 games... anyways, you try to claim that sales indicate success of a game. It does-- but it doesn't state anything about quality. Assuming that sales matter to quality, why do you make the vague implication that Sony has bad sales? I know it doesn't have as much as something like Halo 3, but what games are you referring to that aren't "successful" due to sales? I'd like to really know. I know Valkryia Chronicles can be considered one, but I wonder if YOU have played it yourself, since your so keen on personally playing a game. Of course, since you like to use sales, this must mean a game like VC is an "unsuccesful" game, right?

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#98 MizFitAwesome
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[QUOTE="MizFitAwesome"]

The #1 reason why the use of ratings is fail and why the cows follow along and can't form their own opinions. The review is made by a total stranger, that no one really knows the reviewers personal tastes as it pertains to his own. Using the same logic which movie is better Slumdog Millionaire or Dark Knight? Cows will tell you Slumdog Millionaire because more critics loved it, yet the movie isn't that great. Face reality cows, using the scores is the worst way to determine success because it's a total strangers opinion of the game. Renting is the best way because then you can tell if you like it and sales come in a distent 2nd. Trying to say Sony is somehow winning because the game is scoring high yet not selling is blind loyalty in its purest form. "I just bought the game because some total stranger told me so and I love it because the total stranger told me so.'

Alpha-Male22

Why are you saying stuff we already know to prove a point that doesn't exist?

We know the review is made by a total stranger. We don't have to know a reviewers personal tastes-- we can see how he feels about a game through the rating/review he gives it. And this isn't one reviewer we are talking about. When people look at ratings, they look at a mass average based on numerous scores. When there is a consistently good rating, one can point out REGARDLESS if an individual has personally played the game himself, that the game has redeeming attributes that many adhere to.

Why does a person have to know a reviewer personally anyway? And why look at one reviewer? Like I said, games are judged by an overall rating-- many people here care about GS because this is SW but everybody goes to many other sites to look at other ratings.

There is absolutely NO reason to attack just cows. EVERYBODY here uses scores to justify the greatness of a game. When someone is telling me about how great something like Gears of War is, do you really think I want to hear that it has great sales!? I mean seriously now MizFit-- I'd expect someone to tell me the game has received a great amount of critical acclaim. If a game like Okami were being recommended, do you really think that telling me it sold poorly is going to tell me ANYTHING about how the game is? Stating Okami's numerous great scores (NOT the score of one reviewer as you try to push in your little theory) is what's going to convince me that there is a good amount of people who enjoyed the game.


Sales is a pathetic thing to fall back to when trying to find out the quality of a game-- especially since reviews are a much more efficient, detailed, and informed way.


I don't understand your Slumdog/Knights comparison.

Cows aren't going to TELL you that--- wait let me stop right there. Cows are going to tell me Slumdog is great? Let's just attack people in general instead of attacking the cows. I know you have beef with them (get it?), but let's make sense of this without any hidden agendas.

If Slumdog gets great reviews by a whole bunch of people, I am going to think it's likely going to be great. And where does this leave Dark Knight by the way? That movie is great, dont you think? It's gotten a lot of great reviews, so by that, I am going to say that Dark Knight sounds great too... Where exactly are you going with this Slumdog/Dark Knight comparison again?

Let's set up a better example my friend:

Meet the Spartans is a horrid movie. It's gotten a lot of hateful reviews and it's been widely acknowledged as a total disgrace. It was #1 In Box Office. Am I to understand by your "Sales indicates quality" argument that this movie was GREAT!??

Really, now? Sure, great games do tend to have great sales-- but this isn't the movies, which has a much larger appeal to the average American by the way. When it comes to games like PS3 exclusives, you are trying to put down the game knowing full well that the console has the lowest sales this gen and the poorest advertising for its game (before the new "It Only Does Everything" ads).

No one said Sony is "winning" anything-- what do you even mean by that? It's such a vague statement and you seem defensive and insecure about cows being able to brag about the AAAE games more than anything else. Its scoring great games, and by statistical analysis, it is getting the most highest rated exclusives this year.


You know that is a fact, and you try to knock down sales despite the fact (like I have proven ealier) that you yourself have used ratings to point out the PS3 is falling behind the 360.

The fact that you use scores to draw a conclusion between comparing 360 software to PS3 software shows that you blindly go by numbers and reviews. You must obviously trust them to use them. By your own admittance, you are a blind fanboy who says games are great based on reviews.

I personally have no problem stating just that. I don't give personal experience but direct you to the personal experience of numerous others who have enjoyed the game.

Once again, sales prove nothing to the quality of a game-- only that it has a lot of sales. I'm sure you don't think Wii Fit is better than a host of games like Okami. At least I hope not.

Also, your pretty vague when describing sales. You stated earlier that you see PS3 games collecting dust in stores. First of all, I'm surprised you can notice the dust whe your standing in front of the cashier register... you must look pretty silly squinting at the dust collected on those PS3 games... anyways, you try to claim that sales indicate success of a game. It does-- but it doesn't state anything about quality. Assuming that sales matter to quality, why do you make the vague implication that Sony has bad sales? I know it doesn't have as much as something like Halo 3, but what games are you referring to that aren't "successful" due to sales? I'd like to really know. I know Valkryia Chronicles can be considered one, but I wonder if YOU have played it yourself, since your so keen on personally playing a game. Of course, since you like to use sales, this must mean a game like VC is an "unsuccesful" game, right?

Nope renting is still the #1 way to determine game quality because the person renting can determine if the game is quality based on his tastes, not blindly following what a reviewer tells him, which is what you cows keep shoving down everyones throats.Your continued poor attempts at spin are humourous at best...

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#99 Alpha-Male22
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[QUOTE="Alpha-Male22"]

[QUOTE="MizFitAwesome"]

The #1 reason why the use of ratings is fail and why the cows follow along and can't form their own opinions. The review is made by a total stranger, that no one really knows the reviewers personal tastes as it pertains to his own. Using the same logic which movie is better Slumdog Millionaire or Dark Knight? Cows will tell you Slumdog Millionaire because more critics loved it, yet the movie isn't that great. Face reality cows, using the scores is the worst way to determine success because it's a total strangers opinion of the game. Renting is the best way because then you can tell if you like it and sales come in a distent 2nd. Trying to say Sony is somehow winning because the game is scoring high yet not selling is blind loyalty in its purest form. "I just bought the game because some total stranger told me so and I love it because the total stranger told me so.'

MizFitAwesome

Why are you saying stuff we already know to prove a point that doesn't exist?

Nope renting is still the #1 way to determine game quality because the person renting can determine if the game is quality based on his tastes, not blindly following what a reviewer tells him, which is what you cows keep shoving down everyones throats.Your continued poor attempts at spin are humourous at best...

Not only did you not read what I said, but you totally ignored it, offered no response, and chose to stubbornly close your ears and keep shouting "Renting is best, cows are the worst!"

The only thing humorous is how you avoid my response.


I said nothing about renting a game being in any way bad-- personal experience is best, but I clearly stated that not having personal experience doesn't devoid the numerous positive experiences the many reviewers have put up :lol:

And it's not like any other group in System Wars uses scores to justify a game, oh no! It's always the cows :lol:

Here is what you have said in the past:


"

Actually Sony is 8 AAA behind 360

http://www.metacritic.com/games/xbox360/scores/

http://www.metacritic.com/games/ps3/scores/ "

"Don't worry this is just a sad joke thread that I debunked a few responses ago. TC is only using GR because it gives him a mathematical advantage and then trying to rewrite SW rules. Metacritic states 360 has 22 AAA and PS3 only has 14, but we wouldn't dare use that..."

"So the Gameranking scores are factual but the Metacritic scores aren't?"

It's clear you don't mind appealing to a popular source whenever it supports your point, but when someone tries to show that a game is qualitatively respected through the samesources, they are suddenly blind "cows".

And the irony is still that you yourself have used reviews to prove a point. Since your not interested in actually discussing the issue, I have nothing more to add. If your not going to attempt a healthy discussion, and if you are going to keep stating the same things I have already responded to, there is no point in talking to you.

Of course, I expected nothing less.

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Did you know buisness are based around making money?