Does Nintendo still have gamers respect?.

Snake relies on camping, not aerials.

Without his infinites, Dedede would have to rely on his edgeuarding to kill, which plenty of characters do better than him.

poster

He's still a very good character without the infinites.

Falco's recovery still sucks.

poster

Worse in Melee.

Marth and Meta Knight are the biggest obstacles in the top-tier for most characters, and it's not like either are unstoppable. Both lack projectiles and are lightweight. About comparable to Marth and Shiek in Melee, not to mention that most low-tier characters are still much improved from the low tier in Melee. It's pretty close, I'd say.

poster

I'll give you being lightweight, but Metaknight can still camp effectively, he's one of the gayest ledgestallers in the game. Seriously, just give up, Melee is more balanced, plain and simple. And I'm getting tired of argueing, but one more thing before I go.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HNa11bpyN6s&feature=channel_page

I respect Nintendo a lot. Both for their past, and the present with the Wii. I also respect the other two companies, although not as much as Nintendo, because they're much newer than Nintendo. I laugh at people who hate Nintendo as much as you do. I'll let people have their own opinions, so I'll let it go if people say they don't like Nintendo, as long as they don't treat those opinions as facts, and take it as far as saying that people who do respect Nintendo should have their ass kicked. :|

Anyway, the Wii does something different. It's not for everybody. In fact, most of the great games (and yes, they are great) are niche games, not meant for everybody. Those niche games do a lot for this gen IMO, so that it goes great with my 360, and will go great with my future DS, PSP, and PS3. All those, IMO, do an amazing job at covering all my basic needs as a gamer (and that includes past experiences, with the consoles' BC, and the Wii's VC), and the Wii is very important for that great experience, allowing me to play very unique games like Trauma Center, de Blob, Mario Galaxy, and a number of other very good, and very fun games.

edit: I know that I didn't list many games there, and 2 of the games are 3rd party. Before anybody comments on that, it's more of a mixture of my laziness (I didn't want to list all the games I want and/or have for the Wii, and just listed my 3 favorites), stupidity (I really should have focused more on first party, since this is a thread about Nintendo), and wanting to show that Nintendo has both a great first party, and support of some very good 3rd party games (even if not everybody would agree with that). Anyway, the point still stands that I have a lot of respect for Nintendo, both as a console maker and a game maker.

Snake relies on camping, not aerials.

So he isn't going to put himself there. Knock him into the air, and don't let him come down for too long. I personally don't find Snake a problem, but then I'm a ROB main.

He's still a very good character without the infinites.

Not top-tier.

Worse in Melee.

No way that's true. Either way, it's still his weakness.

I'll give you being lightweight, but Metaknight can still camp effectively, he's one of the gayest ledgestallers in the game. Seriously, just give up, Melee is more balanced, plain and simple.

I find that hard to accept, as I mained Mewtwo back in Melee. But even if it is, you have to admit it's close.

Stabby2486

What makes a quality game?

Tsug_Ze_Wind

A game that excels at what it sets out to do.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HNa11bpyN6s&feature=channel_page

Stabby2486

[QUOTE="Tsug_Ze_Wind"]

What makes a quality game?

opex07

A game that excels at what it sets out to do.

[QUOTE="Tylendal"][QUOTE="Cloud_Insurance"]

The Wii is nothing like the NES. Not even close.

KingsofQueens

The BIGGEST difference is 20+ years ago, they were all about Zelda, Mario, Donkey Kong and (obtaining) 3rd party support.

NOW, Nintendo is all about Wii music, Wii play Wii sports, their disgusting E3 2008 Press conference and the non-gaming casuals.

Gamers 20 years ago learned the Hard Way in gaming. Contra anyone? Grab the NES control pad, and hope to God you make it though the levels WITHOUT that 30up Code. 8)

Today, these non-gaming casuals are learning the Easy Way in gaming. Wii Sports anyone? Just grab a Wiimote and swing away! Better yet grab a Wiiboard and dodge incoming soccer balls with your head :lol:

What you're talking about is Nintendo about 17 or 18 years ago, once the NES had become well established in North America.

Software sales = Quality in that case, as that is the ultimate goal.

Tsug_Ze_Wind

A game sets out to create an interactive experience through graphics, sound, story etc... that's its defining feature that's what makes a game a game, not sales.

EDIT: If sales is what games set out to do then that way of thinking would not work for free games, such as flash games and others.

Their console is selling the most with the least amount of quality games.

Would you honestly give them respect for that?

SpinoRaptor24

[QUOTE="Tsug_Ze_Wind"]Software sales = Quality in that case, as that is the ultimate goal.

opex07

A game sets out to create an interactive experience through graphics, sound, story etc... that's its defining feature that's what makes a game a game, not sales.

Every game does this. But what makes a quality game?

[QUOTE="opex07"][QUOTE="Tsug_Ze_Wind"]Software sales = Quality in that case, as that is the ultimate goal.

Tsug_Ze_Wind

A game sets out to create an interactive experience through graphics, sound, story etc... that's its defining feature that's what makes a game a game, not sales.

Every game does this. But what makes a quality game?

[QUOTE="Tsug_Ze_Wind"][QUOTE="opex07"]A game sets out to create an interactive experience through graphics, sound, story etc... that's its defining feature that's what makes a game a game, not sales.

opex07

Every game does this. But what makes a quality game?

"Those things" being graphics, sound, and story?

I prioritize "fun to play" over all those things.

Man, I just don't understand why everyone acts like Nintendo isn't putting out hardcore games this generation...

2006: The Wii launches with a new Zelda title, Twilight Princess (AA).

2007: In the Wii's first year, Nintendo releases Metroid Prime 3 (AA) and Super Mario Galaxy (AAA and GotY).

2008: In the Wii's second year, Nintendo releases Super Smash Bros. Brawl (AAA) and Mario Kart Wii (AA).

With the exception of 2006, Nintendo has released two AA+ games that cater to hardcore gamers a year for a total of five AA+ games in two years. Oh yes, Nintendo is definitely not putting out hardcore games this generation. :roll:

Man, I just don't understand why everyone acts like Nintendo isn't putting out hardcore games this generation...

2006: The Wii launches with a new Zelda title, Twilight Princess (AA).

2007: In the Wii's first year, Nintendo releases Metroid Prime 3 (AA) and Super Mario Galaxy (AAA and GotY).

2008: In the Wii's second year, Nintendo releases Super Smash Bros. Brawl (AAA) and Mario Kart Wii (AA).

With the exception of 2006, Nintendo has released two AA+ games that cater to hardcore gamers a year for a total of five AA+ games in two years. Oh yes, Nintendo is definitely not putting out hardcore games this generation. :roll:

Man, I just don't understand why everyone acts like Nintendo isn't putting out hardcore games this generation...

2006: The Wii launches with a new Zelda title, Twilight Princess (AA).

2007: In the Wii's first year, Nintendo releases Metroid Prime 3 (AA) and Super Mario Galaxy (AAA and GotY).

2008: In the Wii's second year, Nintendo releases Super Smash Bros. Brawl (AAA) and Mario Kart Wii (AA).

With the exception of 2006, Nintendo has released two AA+ games that cater to hardcore gamers a year for a total of five AA+ games in two years. Oh yes, Nintendo is definitely not putting out hardcore games this generation. :roll:

TreyoftheDead

[QUOTE="TreyoftheDead"]

Man, I just don't understand why everyone acts like Nintendo isn't putting out hardcore games this generation...

2006: The Wii launches with a new Zelda title, Twilight Princess (AA).

2007: In the Wii's first year, Nintendo releases Metroid Prime 3 (AA) and Super Mario Galaxy (AAA and GotY).

2008: In the Wii's second year, Nintendo releases Super Smash Bros. Brawl (AAA) and Mario Kart Wii (AA).

With the exception of 2006, Nintendo has released two AA+ games that cater to hardcore gamers a year for a total of five AA+ games in two years. Oh yes, Nintendo is definitely not putting out hardcore games this generation. :roll:

Micropixel

Nintendo always had a special place in my heart. That sounds a bit dramatic:P (I know they're a buisness like so many others). But it's pretty much my childhood we're talking about, they're the ones that got me into gaming with the NES.

Heck, I owned almost every Nintendo home console up untill the Wii which I haven't bought..yet. I always expect great things from them. So far the Wii has delivered some gems and I will buy one when the next Zelda comes out. By that time I'll have a big back catalog of games to play.

*what's up with GS's text editor anyway? I want to start a new alinea when I hit Enter >.>

Nintendo is probably my most respected gaming company.

At the moment i'd say that I probably use my xbox the most, but Nintendo will always have my heart when it comes to gaming.

The DS and the Wii just make me respect them even more.

[QUOTE="Tsug_Ze_Wind"] So other people's opinion? It's time for these sources to stop having so much sway over people's opinions. Most of 'em are paid off anyway.

opex07

Those other peoples opinion are held to a higher regard than some random person, but it shouldn't really even matter, any reasonable person can see that the Wii doesn't have the same amount of quality games as the other systems due to the fact that it misses out on almost all of the multiplats, and blockbuster titles.

everyone who is old enough that they started gaming on the nes, has respect for nintendo.

those n00bs who are 7-10 and only play FPS with shiny graphics dont respect nintendo becouse they dont know what real gaming is.

1st. nintendo

sega is second

only respect it has from me, comes from my size 12 boot. Nintendo have lost it, nothing but casual shovelware and kids games....YUCK! Nintendo could have balanced it and pleased everyone but NOOOOOO. Stubborn SOB's. Eyezonmii

Nintendo have lost it, nothing but casual shovelware and kids games....YUCK! Nintendo could have balanced it and pleased everyone but NOOOOOO. Stubborn SOB's. Eyezonmii

[QUOTE="Eyezonmii"]Nintendo have lost it, nothing but casual shovelware and kids games....YUCK! Nintendo could have balanced it and pleased everyone but NOOOOOO. Stubborn SOB's. Rocky32189

Hmm...funny question. Am I mad at them for wanting to make tons of money and expand their audience ten-fold? No, no I'm not, and it's understandable for a company to do that. This is a business, after all, and let us not forget that the console still has great games for the "core" audience. No, they aren't the same Nintendo, but as long as I get my zelda, metroid, mario, *insert random nintendo franchise here*, etc every couple of years, I'll be happy. The in-between time gives me time to play my 360.

HOWEVER, I have lost respect for Nintendo. Why? For some reason, Nintendo feels the urge to suddenly "pull a sony" and pick on the little guy. Essentially, stomping on the little guys, to be more blunt. At least Lik-Sang was a fairly big website with lots of traffic though; Nintendo is threatening to shutdown Ghosteo.net, an extremely small website made up of an even smaller group of people. Nintendo wants to shut them down for creating the brawl skin hacks; the ones some of you might have seen on the internet as Dark Samus, Fierce Diety Link, Shadow the Hedgehog, etc. These were made through a Mod Chip Hacked Wii.

Nintendo's argument is that if they can hack character textures, what's stopping them from pirating games? And while I get it, I don't see the reasoning behind targeting a group of obviously dedicated FANS, while maybe they could instead be targeting the actual people who pirate games. Like Staindgrey mentioned over on the website Allisbrawl, let's take a look at Red VS. Blue. A group of dedicated fans, Rooster Teeth, started a machinima about a game they loved, and what happened? Bungie didn't sue them, but instead endorsed them. Red VS Blue ran for 5 seasons, with another one in the works currently, and Bungie even uses the popular characters from the series to promote new downloads via XboxLive. Rooster Teeth can even sell Merchandise using Halo's character designs. In turn, Halo gains essentially free advertisement to a rather wide-ranging audience: The internet.

As Staindgrey says at the end of his intriguing read, Nintendo, you suck. Stop picking on your fans; All they're doing is trying to make the game more enjoyable for other people who want their character to look different. Shutting down Ghosteo.net is like putting your child in a stranglehold.

(But I'm a tool and will still buy your games....-_-...)

the irony is that. when nintendo only made first party games for the N64 wich was 3 times better then the ps1 no one buyed the console.

and while ps2 had more shovelware then a whole toys"r"us store, no on seemed to care, so why care for wiis shovel ware?

the anwser is simpel. but the good games, and throw way the bad ones.

if you think about it. the wii is the new ps2.

stop been a sloopy doop

[QUOTE="Rocky32189"][QUOTE="Eyezonmii"]Nintendo have lost it, nothing but casual shovelware and kids games....YUCK! Nintendo could have balanced it and pleased everyone but NOOOOOO. Stubborn SOB's. Eyezonmii

Doesn't anyone else get ticked off by what I posted originally? It makes me seriously wonder if Nintendo is just.......

Turning into the old Sony. :|

Nintendo definitly still has my respect, they just aren't getting any of my money. Nintendo's new direction is a genius move to be honest. Games as a medium got huge this generation, it hit mainstream attention in a big way and got alot of people playing games that never did. This industry needed a company to fill the Disney-like void that videogames was missing. Think about it, a company that focuses on making products the whole family can enjoy. They have something similar in TV, Music, and Movies. Who would've thought videogames would be no different.

My stance is the games they are making now are not aimed for me. I don't play games with my family and i'm certainly no longer a child. If I enjoy some of the products that they do put out, good for me, but it isn't Nintendo's fault if alot of the stuff they put out isn't enjoyed by me because it wasn't aimed at me. As a gamer, my overall tastes in games and things I look for in them has matured, and no that doesn't mean it has to have a bloodbath in it. It means I have grown to like things in games that Nintendo just doesn't do, nor should they because again their games aren't aimed at me.

I don't see why they should, they have completely abandoned their fanbase in order to make money. Anyone who defends their actions needs an ass kicking. Even worse they are having a negative effect on gaming. Gimmicks like Wii fit and casual games that took 6 months to make like Mario Kart Wii, regularly outselling games like MGS and Gears, developers will begin to question why should they make next gen games pushing hardware to the limit when they can make a game the whole family will play and it will sell 3 times better.Ohyeas

No respect from me. Going into gamespot near me, they have all the wii and ds games near the front of the store and the rest in the back. Whenever I go there on the weekend you will see parents with swarms of kids circling around them , and they all go togeather. I couldn't beleive it, there were around 20 people in gamestop but only 3 people were making the purchases. It feels really backwards...sony bought gaming out of the kid zone with ps1 and nintendo is trying to bring it back. It almost feels like there should be a curtian in the store with a sign: Adults only for the playstion - xbox stuff in the rest of the store. What you are seeing in these stores is vast difference in demographics....wii= kids, you kids, grandma, and teens without a job. PS3/360/ps2/psp = hardcore gamers, Gamers who are fanatical about the quailty of there games and this group takes it seriously.world69star69

Nintendo definitly still has my respect, they just aren't getting any of my money. Nintendo's new direction is a genius move to be honest. Games as a medium got huge this generation, it hit mainstream attention in a big way and got alot of people playing games that never did. This industry needed a company to fill the Disney-like void that videogames was missing. Think about it, a company that focuses on making products the whole family can enjoy. They have something similar in TV, Music, and Movies. Who would've thought videogames would be no different.

My stance is the games they are making now are not aimed for me. I don't play games with my family and i'm certainly no longer a child. If I enjoy some of the products that they do put out, good for me, but it isn't Nintendo's fault if alot of the stuff they put out isn't enjoyed by me because it wasn't aimed at me. As a gamer, my overall tastes in games and things I look for in them has matured, and no that doesn't mean it has to have a bloodbath in it. It means I have grown to like things in games that Nintendo just doesn't do, nor should they because again their games aren't aimed at me.

Shensolidus

[QUOTE="opex07"][QUOTE="Tsug_Ze_Wind"] So other people's opinion? It's time for these sources to stop having so much sway over people's opinions. Most of 'em are paid off anyway.

fbigent34

Those other peoples opinion are held to a higher regard than some random person, but it shouldn't really even matter, any reasonable person can see that the Wii doesn't have the same amount of quality games as the other systems due to the fact that it misses out on almost all of the multiplats, and blockbuster titles.

It's all they have left...

Why shouldn't they? They have removed so many barries and niché when it comes to gaming, and it's not their fault that the 3rd party hardware is nothing but cash ins. Only a handful of games was made with care and acceptance of the system.

Anyway when you really look at Nintendo and nothing else they haven't stopped maked great games. No scratch that. They still make some of the best games in the bussiness. Super Mario Galaxy is a prime example of that. Maybe the system don't appeal to me and perhaps they've taken sight on a new generation of gamers, but I'm not left out since I still can enjoy my 360 and PC and root for Nintendo at the same time.

[QUOTE="Rocky32189"][QUOTE="Eyezonmii"]Nintendo have lost it, nothing but casual shovelware and kids games....YUCK! Nintendo could have balanced it and pleased everyone but NOOOOOO. Stubborn SOB's. Eyezonmii