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#51 deactivated-63f6895020e66
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the post i quoted had two sections, one for games and the other one for Price/hardware value .... dun mix things up ..... not to mention the post i quoted is for a hardcore lemming who preferes x360 games ( which is ok, it's his preference) but when he talked about the price and the hardware he said " and the price is still better, with the recent reduction in the arcade and elite units" .. this is totally untrue, the PS3 at 300$ is better use for the money than 250$ X360.2mrw
Whatever the context, value is subjective, and arguable, for the reasons I already mentioned. Hardware and Software value will always be together, and value will always be judged individually based on both. That's the point I wastrying to made, which is related enough to the post you made.
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#52 2mrw
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[QUOTE="2mrw"][QUOTE="genaroll"] Huh?I don't get what your trying to say.genaroll
the new x360 is better value for the money than the old ones but the PS3 still beats it.

How so?

the BluRay, compitablity for alot of software and media files and soon 3DDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD :D.
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#53 Tigarian
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It's a conflict of interests for them. It seems that MS can't stand to keep a 360 title exclusive because it hurts their Windows side of the business. That's why I'm content to stick with a PS3 and play the vast majority of good 360 "exclusives" on the PC.

I'm also not a huge Halo fan which is usually the deciding factor for XBox fans. Sure it's fun, but FPSs are a dime a dozen these days and couldn't play through all of them if I wanted to. On top of that, I still much prefer FPSs with a keyboard and mouse anyway which is how I played the original Halo.

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#54 Sp4rtan_3
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[QUOTE="Sp4rtan_3"]Exclusives and 1st party games would be nice. Kinda sad when your "best of" game can also be played on the ps3 :lol:IronBass
Isn't the best 360 game (by Metacritic) ME2? And even if it were also on the PS3, that would be sad because... ? Unless I'm missed something, being multiplat does not make game worse.

Best of E3 (my bad for not typing that) and I think its sad that M$ bare bones conference was so poor that GS had to choose a multiplat as its "Best of 360" award.
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Best of E3 (my bad for not typing that) and I think its sad that M$ bare bones conference was so poor that GS had to choose a multiplat as its "Best of 360" award.Sp4rtan_3
Yes, MS's conference was pretty mediocre, but the games selected for each console had little to do with each company's presentation, to my understanding.
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#56 Sp4rtan_3
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[QUOTE="Sp4rtan_3"] Best of E3 (my bad for not typing that) and I think its sad that M$ bare bones conference was so poor that GS had to choose a multiplat as its "Best of 360" award.IronBass
Yes, MS's conference was pretty mediocre, but the games selected for each console had little to do with each company's presentation, to my understanding.

Dead space wasnt even shown at the 360 conference I think sony showed the rest of the demo. Just goes to show how uninteresting the M& lineup is for this year. If it wasnt for Halo: reach coming out I would of sold my 360 and canned my XBL subscription.
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#57 todd2r
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you have to look at it like this. Halo and Gears pretty much outsell anything on the ps3. nothing is going to outsell Mario, so they cant beat the Wii in terms of exclusives. However, most ps3 exclusives sell like crap (i said MOST, not all), so just Halo and Gears keeps the exclusive boat floating. the only game i can see outselling halo or gears is gran turismo, maybe. but they have halo coming before GT and Gears 3 coming in 2010. the rest of the ps3 exclusives, i dont think M$ cares, because they know they wont sell like GT

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Dead space wasnt even shown at the 360 conference I think sony showed the rest of the demo. Just goes to show how uninteresting the M& lineup is for this year. If it wasnt for Halo: reach coming out I would of sold my 360 and canned my XBL subscription.Sp4rtan_3
Well, Dead Space not being in the press conference kinda confirms my suspicion that the choice was not made based on the press-conference.
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#59 Sp4rtan_3
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[QUOTE="Sp4rtan_3"]Dead space wasnt even shown at the 360 conference I think sony showed the rest of the demo. Just goes to show how uninteresting the M& lineup is for this year. If it wasnt for Halo: reach coming out I would of sold my 360 and canned my XBL subscription.IronBass
Well, Dead Space not being in the press conference kinda confirms my suspicion that the choice was not made based on the press-conference.

Confirmed to me about how lackluster the M$ lineup is for 2010.
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#60 todd2r
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[QUOTE="genaroll"][QUOTE="2mrw"] the new x360 is better value for the money than the old ones but the PS3 still beats it.2mrw
How so?

the BluRay, compitablity for alot of software and media files and soon 3DDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD :D.

3D will be an epic fail for sony. count on it. no one is buying 3000 dollar 3D TV'S. Second, with Nintendo being able to do 3D technology without glasses, why would people waste their time with this? When they figure out 3D without glasses, then it might not fail

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#61 TehNubTuber
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[QUOTE="IronBass"][QUOTE="Sp4rtan_3"]Dead space wasnt even shown at the 360 conference I think sony showed the rest of the demo. Just goes to show how uninteresting the M& lineup is for this year. If it wasnt for Halo: reach coming out I would of sold my 360 and canned my XBL subscription.Sp4rtan_3
Well, Dead Space not being in the press conference kinda confirms my suspicion that the choice was not made based on the press-conference.

Confirmed to me about how lackluster the M$ lineup is for 2010.

It's a repeat of 2008, 2009 and a glimpse of what will be of 2011. MS has given up on being a force to be reckoned with in relation to core gamers, they clearly don't care anymore and it's proabbly because of the decent sales 360 fans like to brag about. Ironic they're actually bragging about the demise of core games for the 360.
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Confirmed to me about how lackluster the M$ lineup is for 2010.Sp4rtan_3
I'm not sure how it confirms that.
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#63 2mrw
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[QUOTE="2mrw"]the post i quoted had two sections, one for games and the other one for Price/hardware value .... dun mix things up ..... not to mention the post i quoted is for a hardcore lemming who preferes x360 games ( which is ok, it's his preference) but when he talked about the price and the hardware he said " and the price is still better, with the recent reduction in the arcade and elite units" .. this is totally untrue, the PS3 at 300$ is better use for the money than 250$ X360.IronBass
Whatever the context, value is subjective, and arguable, for the reasons I already mentioned. Hardware and Software value will always be together, and value will always be judged individually based on both. That's the point I wastrying to made, which is related enough to the post you made.

Cheer up man. i used pretty simple logic, what do you get for the money you pay when you purchase ur console ??? this is the value i am talking about, this is what most of us refer to when we talk about value. for 300$ you get PS3 with ........ bla, bla for 250$ you get x360 with ... basically nothing Games cost money, they dun come with the 300$, 250$ you pay for the PS3/X360 >>>> Games dun add to the value you pay with ur 300$/250$. i dun wanna another post, i wanna you to just understand what i was talking about from the begining.
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#64 2mrw
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[QUOTE="2mrw"][QUOTE="genaroll"] How so?todd2r

the BluRay, compitablity for alot of software and media files and soon 3DDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD :D.

3D will be an epic fail for sony. count on it. no one is buying 3000 dollar 3D TV'S. Second, with Nintendo being able to do 3D technology without glasses, why would people waste their time with this? When they figure out 3D without glasses, then it might not fail

i guess you are deviating to something clearly unrelated to our discussion .
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#65 deactivated-63f6895020e66
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MS has given up on being a force to be reckoned with in relation to core gamersTehNubTuber
Something tells me that true "core" gamers recognize the excellent library the 360 has, despite not all of it being exclusive. Unless I missed something, "core" gamers care about the games, not about "Only on this system" logos.
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[QUOTE="TehNubTuber"]MS has given up on being a force to be reckoned with in relation to core gamersIronBass
Something tells me that true "core" gamers recognize the excellent library the 360 has, despite not all of it being exclusive. Unless I missed something, "core" gamers care about the games, not about "Only on this system" logos.

Ya but what the point in gatting a system that a multiplatbox? And better yet what's the point in supporting a company in the console hardware business that doesn't bring anything worthwhile to the table? I mean their hardware was always had serious issues, and now they're letting up on core games too... I think that's sad honestly :(
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Cheer up man. i used pretty simple logic, what do you get for the money you pay when you purchase ur console ??? this is the value i am talking about, this is what most of us refer to when we talk about value. for 300$ you get PS3 with ........ bla, bla for 250$ you get x360 with ... basically nothing Games cost money, they dun come with the 300$, 250$ you pay for the PS3/X360 >>>> Games dun add to the value you pay with ur 300$/250$. i dun wanna another post, i wanna you to just understand what i was talking about from the begining.2mrw

I know where you coming from (that's why I put the PSP example).

It's a common misconception that value is determined by something other than personal judgement, I just wanted to clear that.

I know that you meant that the PS3 offers more features than the 360, I just wanted specify that that's not necessarily what people find value in.

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Ya but what the point in gatting a system that a multiplatbox? And better yet what's the point in supporting a company in the console hardware business that doesn't bring anything worthwhile to the table? I mean their hardware was always had serious issues, and now they're letting up on core games too... I think that's sad honestly :(TehNubTuber
For the same reason every system exists: its games. Exclusives or not, the 360 has a terrific library, arguable better than any other console this gen, exclusive or not. And we better don't get into the hardware issues topic, because that's something that Sony suffered from the past two gens.
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#69 2mrw
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[QUOTE="2mrw"]Cheer up man. i used pretty simple logic, what do you get for the money you pay when you purchase ur console ??? this is the value i am talking about, this is what most of us refer to when we talk about value. for 300$ you get PS3 with ........ bla, bla for 250$ you get x360 with ... basically nothing Games cost money, they dun come with the 300$, 250$ you pay for the PS3/X360 >>>> Games dun add to the value you pay with ur 300$/250$. i dun wanna another post, i wanna you to just understand what i was talking about from the begining.IronBass

I know where you coming from (that's why I put the PSP example).

It's a common misconception that value is determined by something other than personal judgement, I just wanted to clear that.

I know that you meant that the PS3 offers more features than the 360, I just wanted specify that that's not necessarily what people find value in.

i see ... what did you mean by " i know where you coming from" ?
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i see ... what did you mean by " i know where you coming from" ? 2mrw

It's a way of saying "Iunderstand yourargument/view".

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#71 XboximusPrime
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Yes x10. MS is relying WAY too much on third party support. to the point where if third party devs ever start vering away fromXBOX development in the future, MS is probaly screwed because they left there first party so vulnerable and miniscule. Of course, this will probaly never happen, but still, its not that great of a idea to rely so much on third party.

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#72 2mrw
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[QUOTE="TehNubTuber"]Ya but what the point in gatting a system that a multiplatbox? And better yet what's the point in supporting a company in the console hardware business that doesn't bring anything worthwhile to the table? I mean their hardware was always had serious issues, and now they're letting up on core games too... I think that's sad honestly :(IronBass
For the same reason every system exists: its games. Exclusives or not, the 360 has a terrific library, arguable better than any other console this gen, exclusive or not. And we better don't get into the hardware issues topic, because that's something that Sony suffered from the past two gens.

Sony suffered hardware trouble the last generation !!! i wouldn't ever know, my 8 years old PS2 failed me once in these 8 years, but why are we talking last generation now?
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[QUOTE="todd2r"]

[QUOTE="2mrw"] the BluRay, compitablity for alot of software and media files and soon 3DDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD :D. 2mrw

3D will be an epic fail for sony. count on it. no one is buying 3000 dollar 3D TV'S. Second, with Nintendo being able to do 3D technology without glasses, why would people waste their time with this? When they figure out 3D without glasses, then it might not fail

i guess you are deviating to something clearly unrelated to our discussion .

not true. if you would have read some earlier posts, you would have seen that i did add a post that related to this discussion. after i posted my thoughts on the topic, i decided to post a comment relating to your ranting and raving on something you have yet to experience.

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but why are we talking last generation now?2mrw
Just adressing his question: "And better yet what's the point in supporting a company in the console hardware business that doesn't bring anything worthwhile to the table? I mean their hardware was always had serious issues, and now they're letting up on core games too..." Just to point out that having hardware problems is something that can happen to every company, but that does no necessarily mean that they don't do something good for the industry.
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#75 93soccer
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[QUOTE="racing1750"]

[QUOTE="TehNubTuber"]

I think so, if you don't like Halo theres no reason to get a 360 over a PC or a PS3. MS needs to build a stronger backbone. And don't quote me and link me to a spreadsheet with tons of games from 2005-2007 that are old and only excluisve because when they were made/annouced when there were no other conosles. Today they'd all be multiplat practically. MS failed big time this gen imo.

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The bolded part is utter nonsense!

I disagree I think it makes sense, if you don't love Halo your better off getting a PS3 or PCand trying some of their big guns. + you get all the multiplats too.

Soo what about Gears of War, Crackdown, Alan Wake, Forza or Fable?
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#76 2mrw
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[QUOTE="todd2r"]

[QUOTE="2mrw"][QUOTE="todd2r"]

3D will be an epic fail for sony. count on it. no one is buying 3000 dollar 3D TV'S. Second, with Nintendo being able to do 3D technology without glasses, why would people waste their time with this? When they figure out 3D without glasses, then it might not fail

i guess you are deviating to something clearly unrelated to our discussion .

not true. if you would have read some earlier posts, you would have seen that i did add a post that related to this discussion. after i posted my thoughts on the topic, i decided to post a comment relating to your ranting and raving on something you have yet to experience.

i was merely mentioning it, look at ur post afterwards bashing the 3D just for being expensive without obviously experiencing it either .... alot of Movies are using this technique with more and more applications to it everyday, even Nintendo couldn't resist ..... i dun find glasses bothering to me, c'mon, half of the planet use glasses everyday ...... i may understanf ur hate from ur prespective but 3D could be the next big thing, and prices do get cheaper btw :P .
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for sure xbox 360 has alot of great exclusive titles like gears or alan wake or halo.

but when you look at other companies and the way they support their oweners in terms of "exclusives" you see that M$ is not the best.

(I have to mention that by support I don't mean number of games.I'm talking about quality of games.so please don't start to count

down exclusives on each platform.)

owening:wii and 360

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Sorry, but i cant agree, i like Fable, Mass Effect, Gears, Alan Wake, Rare games, Lost Odyssey as much as Demon Soul on PS3 I dont think MS needs more, since they already have more than enough for me, and definatly not lower than the competition Also what do you mean by quality ? Scores do not reflect quality, only your individual preferences and actual fun you have do For exmaple for me Alan Wake, Demon Soul and Lost Odyssey were much higher quality than 99% of the AAA-AAAA scored games this generation I just dont consider every overhyped and overscored game to be a "quality" title, that is all
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#78 Tyrant156
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[QUOTE="2mrw"][QUOTE="IronBass"] Value is one of the most subjective things, therefore it is one of the most arguable, too.genaroll
hmmm, buit in Wifi, Bluray, backward compitability for alot of programmes and software, credible hardware ...etc are you kidding urself or me ?? these are facts, what does x360's hardwrae offer to worth 250$ ????

360 has built in harddrive 250gb,built in wifi better than the ps3,backword compatibility and ps3 lost it's bc.Really the only thing the ps3 does better for hardware than the 360 is blu ray.

lol Yeah it has those things now...but 40 mill x-box users don't have those features. All PS3s have blu ray, upgradeable drives and hdmi ports
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Microsoft Game Studios are dropping lots of exclusives this holiday.

Kinectimals

Kinect Sports

Kinect Adventures

to name a few.

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Microsoft Game Studios are dropping lots of exclusives this holiday.

Kinectimals

Kinect Sports

Kinect Adventures

to name a few.

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Lol good one.
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#81 Malta_1980
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Surely when it comes to exclusives, there is not much for 360... Exclusives are what pushes gamers to pick a system over the other..

Lets not be hypocrites and admit that a large no. of gamers got a 360 not for the multiplats but for the Halo, Geow, Forza & or the 360/PC only titles if they couldnt afford a PC..

360 owners dont have to defend MS at all costs, here nobody can deny 360 has a great games library but at the same time nobody can deny MS didnt offer much in terms of exclusives specially in the past 2 yrs...If exclusives didnt matter so much why did 360 fan & fanboys focus on discussing mainly about Halo:Reach & Geow3 game vids at last E3??? oohh right those are the 2 exclusives titles :)

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Surely when it comes to exclusives, there is not much for 360... Exclusives are what pushes gamers to pick a system over the other..

Lets not be hypocrites and admit that a large no. of gamers got a 360 not for the multiplats but for the Halo, Geow, Forza & or the 360/PC only titles if they couldnt afford a PC..

360 owners dont have to defend MS at all costs, here nobody can deny 360 has a great games library but at the same time nobody can deny MS didnt offer much in terms of exclusives specially in the past 2 yrs...If exclusives didnt matter so much why did 360 fan & fanboys focus on discussing mainly about Halo:Reach & Geow3 game vids at last E3??? oohh right those are the 2 exclusives titles :)

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Strange, because i game on 360 more than on Wii and about same as on PS3, mostly with exclusives, some of which indeed i dont want to buy a new PC to play and prefer the pad controls

Mass Effect, Fable, Alan Wake, Lost odyssey, Blue Dragon, Limbo, Dust, Project Kingdoms, Gears, Rare games, Tales of Vesperia, Kingdom Under Fire 2, Milo, Grey Matter, Metro, Too Human, Splinter Cell Conviction, Magna Carta 2, Risen, Divinity 2, Last Remnant, Kameo, Ninja Blade, Kinect titles, Halo Wars, Halo, Project Gotham Racing etc

So, xbox 360 is doing fine, i only bought 3 PC games in years now, so why would i ever care for PC gaming, when 360 is around and cheap and easy to use too ?

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#83 dommeus
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If the xbox 360 fan base keep acting like exclusives don't matter, Then M$isn't going to lift a finger to do anything more.

If they can make money off multiplats they won't riska single penny to put money into a project that might actually lose money, that's how M$ works.

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Lol what? The '360 fanbase'? You mean on System Wars, right? In real life, the majority of 360 owners probably don't give a **** about what games they can play that no one else can. They care about the yearly updates of Madden, Fifa, COD etc, and if you own an Xbox then Halo and Gears. You think the majority of 360 owners care that ME2 is on PC, or that Alan Wake isn't?
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#84 Malta_1980
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[QUOTE="Malta_1980"]

Surely when it comes to exclusives, there is not much for 360... Exclusives are what pushes gamers to pick a system over the other..

Lets not be hypocrites and admit that a large no. of gamers got a 360 not for the multiplats but for the Halo, Geow, Forza & or the 360/PC only titles if they couldnt afford a PC..

360 owners dont have to defend MS at all costs, here nobody can deny 360 has a great games library but at the same time nobody can deny MS didnt offer much in terms of exclusives specially in the past 2 yrs...If exclusives didnt matter so much why did 360 fan & fanboys focus on discussing mainly about Halo:Reach & Geow3 game vids at last E3??? oohh right those are the 2 exclusives titles :)

a_simple_gamer

Strange, because i game on 360 more than on Wii and about same as on PS3, mostly with exclusives, some of which indeed i dont want to buy a new PC to play and prefer the pad controls

Mass Effect, Fable, Alan Wake, Lost odyssey, Blue Dragon, Limbo, Dust, Project Kingdoms, Gears, Rare games, Tales of Vesperia, Kingdom Under Fire 2, Milo, Grey Matter, Metro, Too Human, Splinter Cell Conviction, Magna Carta 2, Risen, Divinity 2, Last Remnant, Kameo, Ninja Blade, Kinect titles, Halo Wars, Halo, Project Gotham Racing etc

So, xbox 360 is doing fine, i only bought 3 PC games in years now, so why would i ever care for PC gaming, when 360 is around and cheap and easy to use too ?

so you listed all the 360 or 360/PC exclusives.... and what??? you just confirmed my point, people are more concerned about exclusives games..

I dont care on which system people game more, sometimes there are weeks which i also game more on my 360, many others dont... my point is when you take out the many games which are / will be available for PC not much is left for 360.. its the Forza, Halo, Geow games that attract gamers to 360 not the many titles you mentioned most of which the majority have no idea on what they are and when they'll be released..

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#85 a_simple_gamer
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[QUOTE="a_simple_gamer"]

[QUOTE="Malta_1980"]

Surely when it comes to exclusives, there is not much for 360... Exclusives are what pushes gamers to pick a system over the other..

Lets not be hypocrites and admit that a large no. of gamers got a 360 not for the multiplats but for the Halo, Geow, Forza & or the 360/PC only titles if they couldnt afford a PC..

360 owners dont have to defend MS at all costs, here nobody can deny 360 has a great games library but at the same time nobody can deny MS didnt offer much in terms of exclusives specially in the past 2 yrs...If exclusives didnt matter so much why did 360 fan & fanboys focus on discussing mainly about Halo:Reach & Geow3 game vids at last E3??? oohh right those are the 2 exclusives titles :)

Malta_1980

Strange, because i game on 360 more than on Wii and about same as on PS3, mostly with exclusives, some of which indeed i dont want to buy a new PC to play and prefer the pad controls

Mass Effect, Fable, Alan Wake, Lost odyssey, Blue Dragon, Limbo, Dust, Project Kingdoms, Gears, Rare games, Tales of Vesperia, Kingdom Under Fire 2, Milo, Grey Matter, Metro, Too Human, Splinter Cell Conviction, Magna Carta 2, Risen, Divinity 2, Last Remnant, Kameo, Ninja Blade, Kinect titles, Halo Wars, Halo, Project Gotham Racing etc

So, xbox 360 is doing fine, i only bought 3 PC games in years now, so why would i ever care for PC gaming, when 360 is around and cheap and easy to use too ?

so you listed all the 360 or 360/PC exclusives.... and what??? you just confirmed my point, people are more concerned about exclusives games..

I dont care on which system people game more, sometimes there are weeks which i also game more on my 360, many others dont... my point is when you take out the many games which are / will be available for PC not much is left for 360.. its the Forza, Halo, Geow games that attract gamers to 360 not the many titles you mentioned most of which the majority have no idea on what they are and when they'll be released..

I dont get your logic

That would only affect a very few gamers that have a gaming PC

Any other real gamer, would definatly love to have all those PC/360 games for cheap on 360

Also if you consider gamers that dont know much about all 360 games, casuals that is, then 360 has Kinect for them, again that would atract huge numbers of them

All games matter in the end imo, some more, some less, some to certain crowd and other to another, it is not as simple as you make it seem

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#86 Malta_1980
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[QUOTE="Malta_1980"]

[QUOTE="a_simple_gamer"]

Strange, because i game on 360 more than on Wii and about same as on PS3, mostly with exclusives, some of which indeed i dont want to buy a new PC to play and prefer the pad controls

Mass Effect, Fable, Alan Wake, Lost odyssey, Blue Dragon, Limbo, Dust, Project Kingdoms, Gears, Rare games, Tales of Vesperia, Kingdom Under Fire 2, Milo, Grey Matter, Metro, Too Human, Splinter Cell Conviction, Magna Carta 2, Risen, Divinity 2, Last Remnant, Kameo, Ninja Blade, Kinect titles, Halo Wars, Halo, Project Gotham Racing etc

So, xbox 360 is doing fine, i only bought 3 PC games in years now, so why would i ever care for PC gaming, when 360 is around and cheap and easy to use too ?

a_simple_gamer

so you listed all the 360 or 360/PC exclusives.... and what??? you just confirmed my point, people are more concerned about exclusives games..

I dont care on which system people game more, sometimes there are weeks which i also game more on my 360, many others dont... my point is when you take out the many games which are / will be available for PC not much is left for 360.. its the Forza, Halo, Geow games that attract gamers to 360 not the many titles you mentioned most of which the majority have no idea on what they are and when they'll be released..

I dont get your logic

That would only affect a very few gamers that have a gaming PC

Any other real gamer, would definatly love to have all those PC/360 games for cheap on 360

Also if you consider gamers that dont know much about all 360 games, casuals that is, then 360 has Kinect for them, again that would atract huge numbers of them

All games matter in the end imo, some more, some less, some to certain crowd and other to another, it is not as simple as you make it seem

sure all games matter, but exclusives determine which console you want to buy FIRST... that is my point... so 360 fan(boys) mainly, need to stop making it look like as long as there are multiplats it doesnt matter if they're not getting much in terms of exclusives titles... Multiplats are essential for a console to survive since those consist of the majority of its games library, but exclusives distinguish one console from the other making its library 'unique'...

am only looking forward to Reach & Geow3 for 360 in terms of exclusives, is that bad? NO... would i be happier if there were more exclusives i'd like? YES..

do you think people rush to buy a 360 saying 'yeah i want to play X & Y multiplats' or else its possible you see them get 'Halo, Forza, Geow, Fable etc etc'.. why do sales spike when a really good exclusive comes out for a console but nothing usually happens when a great multiplat comes out ?

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#87 a_simple_gamer
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[QUOTE="a_simple_gamer"]

[QUOTE="Malta_1980"]

so you listed all the 360 or 360/PC exclusives.... and what??? you just confirmed my point, people are more concerned about exclusives games..

I dont care on which system people game more, sometimes there are weeks which i also game more on my 360, many others dont... my point is when you take out the many games which are / will be available for PC not much is left for 360.. its the Forza, Halo, Geow games that attract gamers to 360 not the many titles you mentioned most of which the majority have no idea on what they are and when they'll be released..

Malta_1980

I dont get your logic

That would only affect a very few gamers that have a gaming PC

Any other real gamer, would definatly love to have all those PC/360 games for cheap on 360

Also if you consider gamers that dont know much about all 360 games, casuals that is, then 360 has Kinect for them, again that would atract huge numbers of them

All games matter in the end imo, some more, some less, some to certain crowd and other to another, it is not as simple as you make it seem

sure all games matter, but exclusives determine which console you want to buy FIRST... that is my point... so 360 fan(boys) mainly, need to stop making it look like as long as there are multiplats it doesnt matter if they're not getting much in terms of exclusives titles... Multiplats are essential for a console to survive since those consist of the majority of its games library, but exclusives distinguish one console from the other making its library 'unique'...

am only looking forward to Reach & Geow3 for 360 in terms of exclusives, is that bad? NO... would i be happier if there were more exclusives i'd like? YES..

do you think people rush to buy a 360 saying 'yeah i want to play X & Y multiplats' or else its possible you see them get 'Halo, Forza, Geow, Fable etc etc'.. why do sales spike when a really good exclusive comes out for a console but nothing usually happens when a great multiplat comes out ?

So, if you dont have a gaming PC, Fable 2-3, Mass Effect 1-2-3 etc wont matter at all for buying a 360 first ?

Again, your logic is based on the non fact that eveyone owns a perfect gaming PC, which is far from reality

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I'm going to say "Yes."

If they're looking to the long term they should be interested in having a stable of solid first party development studios, like Sony and Nintendo have.

IMO, those studios and their exclusive's are part of why Nintendo and Sony survived their falls from first to third place during the N64/PSX generation and this current generation respectively.

Gamers go where the games are and without a differentiating advantage there's no incentive to invest in the hardware.

Every gen is a new can of worms where anything can happen. Microsoft can't base their future strategy on the premise that Sony will fail.

If Sony's learned anything this gen it should be:

Don't launch too much later and if possible launch earlier.
Don't launch at a considerably higher price.
Don't create an architecture that's too dissimilar from the PC.

And if they've learned those lessons then it will come down to first parties to provide the games that will be the differentiating incentive.

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First of all, the vast majority of gamers are console gamers, so excluding PC multiplats is just doing so to accomplish an agenda. Sure, games that are ONLY on 360 are few, but you cannot discount 360/PC games as if they somehow mean less. As stated before, even the majority of people that only own a PS3 dont have PCs capable of running PC games AT LEAST to the level of consoles..............at a decent framerate. Simply having a PC doesnt automatically qualify you to play PC games. I think thats the problem here. If MS thought that PC games were holding them back, they wouldnt be releasing Fable on PC, they would be securing a lot more. Fact is, PC games count in the 360s overall library, and if it doesnt bother 360 owners or MS, why does it matter so much to you? If you continue to exclude them, you will never understand why 360 owners are defending MS. They are currently playing games that cows are trying to discredit.............but they are still playing them. System Wars is getting rather shallow and petty these days, i can tell its summer :P
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I don't care as much because my only HD console is the 360. I think they need to improve their first party studios though to make some awesome games though.
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Threads like these are pointless because not many gamers understand how the industry works. I already see people posting "if they want to succeed" and " the games get ported". Clearly the gaming business doesnt work from the gamers perspective, but rather is about money. Money here and now is always better than money later to any corporation. Time exclusivity works, regardless of how fanboys feel about it. Sony did it ALL last get and was able to stay ahead of both Ninty and MS. Gamers in general dont want to wait for an anticipated game no longer than they have to, and timed exclusivity just may be enough to persuade them. Also, just because a game is on PC doesnt mean it counts any less. This is the spin system wars has put on the industry. In the real world, MS is excellent with little first party. It seems they cant win with some people. They dont have many first party devs, yet if they buy timed games, its "teh only way they can compete, teh evils", and if they dont, well then we get threads like these asking why. MS will invest in first party devs when they NEED to, not when fanboys think they should. They have stockholders to answer to, not live up to some image created by fanboys on a forum.navyguy21
Wow! This post is genius.
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#92 TBoogy
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First of all, the vast majority of gamers are console gamers, so excluding PC multiplats is just doing so to accomplish an agenda. Sure, games that are ONLY on 360 are few, but you cannot discount 360/PC games as if they somehow mean less. As stated before, even the majority of people that only own a PS3 dont have PCs capable of running PC games AT LEAST to the level of consoles..............at a decent framerate. Simply having a PC doesnt automatically qualify you to play PC games. I think thats the problem here. If MS thought that PC games were holding them back, they wouldnt be releasing Fable on PC, they would be securing a lot more. Fact is, PC games count in the 360s overall library, and if it doesnt bother 360 owners or MS, why does it matter so much to you? If you continue to exclude them, you will never understand why 360 owners are defending MS. They are currently playing games that cows are trying to discredit.............but they are still playing them. System Wars is getting rather shallow and petty these days, i can tell its summer :Pnavyguy21
Another great post...
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Microsoft Game Studios are dropping lots of exclusives this holiday.

Kinectimals

Kinect Sports

Kinect Adventures

to name a few.

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Considering how such petty things can become a big deal in SW, this is a very good post. Very good...
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First of all, the vast majority of gamers are console gamers, so excluding PC multiplats is just doing so to accomplish an agenda. Sure, games that are ONLY on 360 are few, but you cannot discount 360/PC games as if they somehow mean less. As stated before, even the majority of people that only own a PS3 dont have PCs capable of running PC games AT LEAST to the level of consoles..............at a decent framerate. Simply having a PC doesnt automatically qualify you to play PC games. I think thats the problem here. If MS thought that PC games were holding them back, they wouldnt be releasing Fable on PC, they would be securing a lot more. Fact is, PC games count in the 360s overall library, and if it doesnt bother 360 owners or MS, why does it matter so much to you? If you continue to exclude them, you will never understand why 360 owners are defending MS. They are currently playing games that cows are trying to discredit.............but they are still playing them. System Wars is getting rather shallow and petty these days, i can tell its summer :Pnavyguy21

agreed.after buying a new platform most of ppl don't think about buying another platform at least for a while or they can't affor it at all.unless they are economically capable of buying all platforms in a short period of time.(proof is most of the times ppl say "oh i'm gonna sell my 360 to buy a ps3" or "i wish i had a ps3 just to play this one" in their comments).and this kind of ppl don't even care about this discussions couse anyway the own all plats.

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Personally I think they do, I bought a 360 for it's exclusives so the more quality exclusives released the better for me.

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#96 KittenWishes
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Xbox 360 exclusives being released this month:

- N3: Ninety-Nine Nights 2

- Crackdown 2

XBLA exclusives being released this month:

- Hydro Thunder Hurricane
- Castlevania: Harmony of Despair
- Monday Night Combat
- Limbo
- Dead Rising 2: CASE ZERO

What exclusives are being released on the PS3, Cows?

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Xbox 360 exclusives being released this month:

- N3: Ninety-Nine Nights 2

- Crackdown 2

XBLA exclusives being released this month:

- Hydro Thunder Hurricane
- Castlevania: Harmony of Despair
- Monday Night Combat
- Limbo
- Dead Rising 2: CASE ZERO

What exclusives are being released on the PS3, Cows?

KittenWishes

Ya those exclusives are really weak and some of the most hyped 360 games like crackdown. MS has to step its game up BIG time imo.

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[QUOTE="KittenWishes"]

Xbox 360 exclusives being released this month:

- N3: Ninety-Nine Nights 2

- Crackdown 2

XBLA exclusives being released this month:

- Hydro Thunder Hurricane
- Castlevania: Harmony of Despair
- Monday Night Combat
- Limbo
- Dead Rising 2: CASE ZERO

What exclusives are being released on the PS3, Cows?

TehNubTuber

Ya those exclusives are really weak and some of the most hyped 360 games like crackdown. MS has to step its game up BIG time imo.



Please, if ANY of those games were exclusive to the P$3 you'd be hyping them into oblivion.

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I already have plenty of games to last me years.

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#100 TehNubTuber
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[QUOTE="TehNubTuber"]

[QUOTE="KittenWishes"]

Xbox 360 exclusives being released this month:

- N3: Ninety-Nine Nights 2

- Crackdown 2

XBLA exclusives being released this month:

- Hydro Thunder Hurricane
- Castlevania: Harmony of Despair
- Monday Night Combat
- Limbo
- Dead Rising 2: CASE ZERO

What exclusives are being released on the PS3, Cows?

KittenWishes

Ya those exclusives are really weak and some of the most hyped 360 games like crackdown. MS has to step its game up BIG time imo.



Please, if ANY of those games were exclusive to the P$3 you'd be hyping them into oblivion.

I only hype games that look 8.5+ Those look like at beast 7.0 games. So no. I wouldn't.