Dragon Age: Best WRPG ever?

No way. It's a good WRPG, but Baldur's Gate 2 and Fallout 2 kick its butt.

I would say easily top 3,my personal fav will always be Morrowind

It was just combat slog, after combat slog, after combat slog, with bad, dragging level design, a weak, uninspired story, and a tiny gameworld with very little in the way of interesting locales to explore. I was bored out of my mind, for the most part.

jethrovegas

This pretty much sums up my feelings of the game, too. There are better dungeon crawlers out there, with more interesting stories, settings, dungeons and combat.

The production values are high and a few of the side characters were quite interesting, but the game itself felt like more than a chore to finish than an entertaining and grand adventure. Plus, there's a few million hours worth of dialogue in the game that I honestly couldn't care less about. Bioware should know better - throwing heaps of minute detail into a dull, cliche and lifeless setting doesn't make the setting any more enjoyable.

*edit* Oh, and pacing! The game completely failed at that with an inconsistent difficulty curve, dungeons that dragged on a few hours longer than they should have, and conversations that never seem to end.

:lol: Definitely not. The Witcher was considered to be a very over ambitious game. It received positive reviews, but nothing exceptional. It had pretensions of being the ultimate RPG for the hardcore gamer, extraordinarily complicated, but it fell on its face. I will be frank here, I have never played it, but if everything I've ever heard is to be believed about it, it's one of those games that due to overambition ends up extremely bland and unintuitive. ElTriforceo

Metacritic of 86 for the EE, 90 for the user reviews.

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If you actually play the game (probably a good idea before trying to act like an authority on what it wanted to accomplish) you would know that the world presented is anything but bland, instead show casing some incredible concepts and story elements.

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Basically you have no idea what your talking about.

My only problems with it so far with DA:O are.....You make something your main quest and it will not show up on the map most of the time. JUST LIKE OBLIVION. Makes the game a pain to play and honestly keeps me from having fun and progressing. 2ndly your character never talks? Why choose a voice if you cant talk? Other than those 2 things, Im fine with it.

I believe that it was!!! But its argueable

I loved Dragon Age, but to me, the best WRPG, for that matter just best RPG in any category, is hands down Mass Effect 2.

I loved Dragon Age, but to me, the best WRPG, for that matter just best RPG in any category, is hands down Mass Effect 2.

AdobeArtist

That's like saying Crash Bandicoot 3 is one of the greatest third person shooters in history :?

Mass Effect 2 might be a fantastic game, but what little RPG that there was in the original Mass Effect is all but gone in Mass Effect 2.

Even Fable 2 is technically a better RPG than Mass Effect 2.

It doesn't really matter though, Bioware have proven that they can make a pretty damn good shooter to rival the best. Epic and Gears of War, eat your heart out.

I enjoyed it, but...God, that thing's setting was just SO generic.

[QUOTE="AdobeArtist"]

I loved Dragon Age, but to me, the best WRPG, for that matter just best RPG in any category, is hands down Mass Effect 2.

FrozenLiquid

That's like saying Crash Bandicoot 3 is one of the greatest third person shooters in history :?

Mass Effect 2 might be a fantastic game, but what little RPG that there was in the original Mass Effect is all but gone in Mass Effect 2.

Even Fable 2 is technically a better RPG than Mass Effect 2.

It doesn't really matter though, Bioware have proven that they can make a pretty damn good shooter to rival the best. Epic and Gears of War, eat your heart out.

I'm guessing you're speaking of the games modified stats system. Many people say it was "dumbed down", but in reality, it was STREAMLINED. And there's a difference. They just looked at the stats in the 1st game, and trimmed away what really wasn't needed. Like Charm & Intimidate points that were just a redundancy of the Paragon & Renegade meter, and stripping away the weapon skills, assuming that a soldier is already skilled in them (and now only carrying what the cIass can actually use) and focusing on abilities. I agree that the cleaned up stats system is a more efficient improvement.

But all that aside, to me an RPG is about more than just stats and levels anyway. Far more important is the role playing experience itself, which all the Bioware games excel at. JRPGs have stats, but you are merely controlling pre-scripted characters in those games, but in WRPGs, you as the player are defining the character, which is what role playing is all about.

So I say again, Mass Effect 2 is the RPG of the generation. And yes you did have that genuine role playing experience in DAO (defining your own role) and it did have a much deeper stats and level system. But I give it to ME2 for the overall much more epic story, set in a more original universe with such a rich and unique history, coupled with the compelling characters.

[QUOTE="FrozenLiquid"]

[QUOTE="AdobeArtist"]

I loved Dragon Age, but to me, the best WRPG, for that matter just best RPG in any category, is hands down Mass Effect 2.

That's like saying Crash Bandicoot 3 is one of the greatest third person shooters in history :?

Mass Effect 2 might be a fantastic game, but what little RPG that there was in the original Mass Effect is all but gone in Mass Effect 2.

Even Fable 2 is technically a better RPG than Mass Effect 2.

It doesn't really matter though, Bioware have proven that they can make a pretty damn good shooter to rival the best. Epic and Gears of War, eat your heart out.

I'm guessing you're speaking of the games modified stats system. Many people say it was "dumbed down", but in reality, it was STREAMLINED. And there's a difference. They just looked at the stats in the 1st game, and trimmed away what really wasn't needed. Like Charm & Intimidate points that were just a redundancy of the Paragon & Renegade meter, and stripping away the weapon skills, assuming that a soldier is already skilled in them (and now only carrying what the cIass can actually use) and focusing on abilities. I agree that the cleaned up stats system is a more efficient improvement.

But all that aside, to me an RPG is about more than just stats and levels anyway. Far more important is the role playing experience itself, which all the Bioware games excel at. JRPGs have stats, but you are merely controlling pre-scripted characters in those games, but in WRPGs, you as the player are defining the character, which is what role playing is all about.

So I say again, Mass Effect 2 is the RPG of the generation. And yes you did have that genuine role playing experience in DAO (defining your own role) and it did have a much deeper stats and level system. But I give it to ME2 for the overall much more epic story, set in a more original universe with such a rich and unique history, coupled with the compelling characters.

[QUOTE="AdobeArtist"]

[QUOTE="FrozenLiquid"]

That's like saying Crash Bandicoot 3 is one of the greatest third person shooters in history :?

Mass Effect 2 might be a fantastic game, but what little RPG that there was in the original Mass Effect is all but gone in Mass Effect 2.

Even Fable 2 is technically a better RPG than Mass Effect 2.

It doesn't really matter though, Bioware have proven that they can make a pretty damn good shooter to rival the best. Epic and Gears of War, eat your heart out.

Jandurin

I'm guessing you're speaking of the games modified stats system. Many people say it was "dumbed down", but in reality, it was STREAMLINED. And there's a difference. They just looked at the stats in the 1st game, and trimmed away what really wasn't needed. Like Charm & Intimidate points that were just a redundancy of the Paragon & Renegade meter, and stripping away the weapon skills, assuming that a soldier is already skilled in them (and now only carrying what the cIass can actually use) and focusing on abilities. I agree that the cleaned up stats system is a more efficient improvement.

But all that aside, to me an RPG is about more than just stats and levels anyway. Far more important is the role playing experience itself, which all the Bioware games excel at. JRPGs have stats, but you are merely controlling pre-scripted characters in those games, but in WRPGs, you as the player are defining the character, which is what role playing is all about.

So I say again, Mass Effect 2 is the RPG of the generation. And yes you did have that genuine role playing experience in DAO (defining your own role) and it did have a much deeper stats and level system. But I give it to ME2 for the overall much more epic story, set in a more original universe with such a rich and unique history, coupled with the compelling characters.

And again, RPG is being looked at from the purely superficial aspect, the stats and levelling system. I'M talking about the depth of the player defining his character, which NO shooter game (not HL2, not Halo, not even Bioshock that was branded an FPS/RPG and was far lighter in the RPG aspects) replicates.

ME 2 is far more an RPG than any Square Enix game. It's not a shooter with light RPG elements, it's an RPG that uses a shooter mechanic for its combat in place of swords and archery.

And again, RPG is being looked at from the purely superficial aspect, the stats and levelling system. I'M talking about the depth of the player defining his character, which NO shooter game (not HL2, not Halo, not even Bioshock that was branded an FPS/RPG and was far lighter in the RPG aspects) replicates.

AdobeArtist

[QUOTE="AdobeArtist"]

And again, RPG is being looked at from the purely superficial aspect, the stats and levelling system. I'M talking about the depth of the player defining his character, which NO shooter game (not HL2, not Halo, not even Bioshock that was branded an FPS/RPG and was far lighter in the RPG aspects) replicates.

ME 2 is far more an RPG than any Square Enix game. It's not a shooter with light RPG elements, it's an RPG that uses a shooter mechanic for its combat in place of swords and archery.

Jandurin

And ME2 very much feels and plays as an RPG, where my choices and interactions with the people and world around me is what unfolds the story.

And ME2 very much feels and plays as an RPG, where my choices and interactions with the people and world around me is what unfolds the story.

AdobeArtist

[QUOTE="AdobeArtist"]

And ME2 very much feels and plays as an RPG, where my choices and interactions with the people and world around me is what unfolds the story.

Jandurin

Believe me, I'm not alone on this ;)

ok dragon age is one hell of a game, it is astonishing , breathtaking, epic.

also

dragon age > Mass effect 1 (which i loved SO much)

Dragon age is RPG whereas ME2 has this "mission complete" thing..

[QUOTE="Jandurin"][QUOTE="AdobeArtist"]

And ME2 very much feels and plays as an RPG, where my choices and interactions with the people and world around me is what unfolds the story.

Believe me, I'm not alone on this ;)

Its a damn good WRPG, and I loved it,but Bioware out did itself with Mass Effect 2. Much less RPG than Dragon Age, and more action/adventure, but the game is better polished, has better characters, and ultimately, the combat is more fun for me at least. And this is playing as a biotic, not as a soldier. Shooting mechanics were definitely good, but the biotic powers make it feel like no other game on the market.

Its really really close in my eyes. But the way I know ME2 is better (IMO) is that I would not hesitate to play through ME2 again to try another character class, where DAO I have no desire to.

[QUOTE="dc337"]Then there's the lack of fast travel which was pretty annoying.Parasomniac

I thought it sucked, 5/10 from Edge was spot on.

I thought it sucked, 5/10 from Edge was spot on.

bahamut-zero

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I thought it sucked, 5/10 from Edge was spot on.

Arach666

As much as I loved the PS3 version, and played the hell out of it, it was a buggy mess in terms of framerate, the combat system was more difficult because you couldn't get an overall field view, and the there was a massive step between the Easy and Normal difficulties. Either your enemies were pushovers, or overly difficult in spots.

So it's easy to see where people could take issue with the game.

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[QUOTE="Jandurin"] to you, i guessJandurin

Believe me, I'm not alone on this ;)

I believe the only saving grace in the RPG department of ME is the dialogue system. You can make your own story so to say and that's pretty cool.

[QUOTE="Parasomniac"][QUOTE="dc337"]Then there's the lack of fast travel which was pretty annoying.dc337

Its really good but there are several the stand higher in my mind. Vampires the Masquerade, while very buggy, really needs more love in these kind of threads. The world, the environment, the story, the characters were all just amazing. The combat could be annoying at times but when your dodging bullets and bleeding goons to death its hard to care...alextherussian

[QUOTE="dc337"]

There is only fast travel with a mod. Maybe you are thinking of transport travel.

There is no fast travel in Morrowind: it is not possible to freely travel instantaneously in real time between any two known exterior locations. There are also no horses. Therefore, you'll potentially spend more time walking in Morrowind.
http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Morrowind:Morrowind_for_Oblivion_Players

Im_single

Hard to say anything is the best ever. I would say it's one of the best games I played. It also the lone outstanding rpg this gen for me. I thought this gen was terrible up until DAO. Nothing else this gen has come close.

[QUOTE="AdobeArtist"]

[QUOTE="Jandurin"] to you, i guessJandurin

Believe me, I'm not alone on this ;)

[QUOTE="Im_single"]

[QUOTE="dc337"]

There is only fast travel with a mod. Maybe you are thinking of transport travel.

There is no fast travel in Morrowind: it is not possible to freely travel instantaneously in real time between any two known exterior locations. There are also no horses. Therefore, you'll potentially spend more time walking in Morrowind.
http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Morrowind:Morrowind_for_Oblivion_Players

dc337

What? It's semantics, fast travel/transport who gives a care what you call it? Anybody who's played Morrowind knows you can travel fast using Silt Striders (Fast travel Hur hur hur) and you seemed to think there was none...

Im_single

http://planetelderscrolls.gamespy.com/View.php?id=2989&view=OblivionMods.Detail

http://mrhalbert.blogspot.com/2009/10/oblivion-fast-travel.html

[QUOTE="Im_single"] What? It's semantics, fast travel/transport who gives a care what you call it? Anybody who's played Morrowind knows you can travel fast using Silt Striders (Fast travel Hur hur hur) and you seemed to think there was none...

dc337

http://planetelderscrolls.gamespy.com/View.php?id=2989&view=OblivionMods.Detail

http://mrhalbert.blogspot.com/2009/10/oblivion-fast-travel.html

Maybe in a top 20. Planescape: Torment will probably forever lay claim to the throne of WRPG greatness.

[QUOTE="dc337"]

I said there was no fast travel which is also what the guide states that I linked to.

It's only semantics when we consider your definition which isn't used by Oblivion/Morrowind guides.

Maybe you should assume that the people who wrote those guides haven't played it either. You should also probably email the guy who made the Morrowind fast travel mod and tell him that it isn't needed.

http://planetelderscrolls.gamespy.com/View.php?id=2989&view=OblivionMods.Detail

http://mrhalbert.blogspot.com/2009/10/oblivion-fast-travel.html

Im_single

I thought the Witcher was better. I'd say DA:O is in my top 5 this gen, but it certainly isn't my fav of all time. Fallout, Fallout 2, Planescape Torment, Demons Souls, KOTOR, KOTOR 2 and even Jade Empire I preferred to DA. The world was a bit cliched I think, and some of it was a bit silly.

I am going to say yes as we are talking about WRPGs, It is the best one for me, followed closely by ME2.

I thought the Witcher was better. I'd say DA:O is in my top 5 this gen, but it certainly isn't my fav of all time. Fallout, Fallout 2, Planescape Torment, Demons Souls, KOTOR, KOTOR 2 and even Jade Empire I preferred to DA. The world was a bit cliched I think, and some of it was a bit silly.

dommeus

Definitely top 5 for me. Then again I haven't played many WRPGs :P

My two favorites are Mass Effect and Fallout 3. Trying to get into some of the older ones though.

It's not even better than the Witcher. and you think it's the best WRPG of all time?jg4xchamp