[QUOTE="palaric8"]both are a failure but I pick dreamcastIf the Gamecube was a failure what was the PS2 and the Xbox, considering Nintendo made more money on the GameCube then Sony or Microsoft did on their consoles?
[QUOTE="Zerostatic0"][QUOTE="palaric8"]both are a failure but I pick dreamcastIf the Gamecube was a failure what was the PS2 and the Xbox, considering Nintendo made more money on the GameCube then Sony or Microsoft did on their consoles? PS2 sold 115 millions since 2003,sony was making a profit on every ps2 sold in 2003 they were around 20-25 ps2 sold. ouch.
[QUOTE="Zerostatic0"][QUOTE="palaric8"]both are a failure but I pick dreamcastIf the Gamecube was a failure what was the PS2 and the Xbox, considering Nintendo made more money on the GameCube then Sony or Microsoft did on their consoles? WTF..did you just say Nintendo made more money with the GC than sony with the PS2?................
The Dreamcast's first 18 months on the market beats any console ever, but you simply can't compare it to the GameCube which had a 5 year lifespan to accumalate games. Bottom-line, according to gamerankings.com Dreamcast had 142 A+ titles (7.0 or higher) and the GameCube had 264 A+ titles. It's not close, the GameCube had a better library, had better graphics, and had a better crop of first-party games. I will say this though, if you are a diehard fighting game fan or if you like Arcade type games then the Dreamcast is the system for you.
Gamecube, and this is coming from the leader of a Sega union. Gamecube was just too awesome.SmashBrosLegend
what does gamecube have better that dreamcast dont? fighting games? rpg? adventure? you forgetting shenmue, DOA, all street fighters, grandia.. what kind of sega union leader are you :3.. if i was in your union i leave rightnow. i'm a sega fan all the way :D .
[QUOTE="qewrewq"][QUOTE="Zerostatic0"][QUOTE="palaric8"]both are a failure but I pick dreamcastIf the Gamecube was a failure what was the PS2 and the Xbox, considering Nintendo made more money on the GameCube then Sony or Microsoft did on their consoles? WTF..did you just say Nintendo made more money with the GC than sony with the PS2?................ Do you know how much money Nintendo usually makes on their consoles?
[QUOTE="qewrewq"][QUOTE="Zerostatic0"][QUOTE="palaric8"]both are a failure but I pick dreamcastIf the Gamecube was a failure what was the PS2 and the Xbox, considering Nintendo made more money on the GameCube then Sony or Microsoft did on their consoles? WTF..did you just say Nintendo made more money with the GC than sony with the PS2?................Yeah, Sony just started turning a profit on the Playstation 2 last year. Maybe they have passed the GameCube in the last year, but the GameCube was more profitable for the majority of the generation. It's not too hard to figure out why either, these companies make money off software, not hardware. Think about the best selling playstation games . . . Rockstar cashed in with Grand Theft Auto, Konami probably made some big bucks with Metal Gear Solid, Squaresoft makes a ton off of Final Fatnasy, EA makes a killing every year with Madden and all of it's big titles, etc. Now think about the best selling games on the GameCube. The top 10 best selling games on the GameCube were: # Super Smash Bros. Melee (6 million)[65] # Super Mario Sunshine (5.5 million)[66] # Mario Kart: Double Dash!! (3.5 million)[67] # The Legend of Zelda: The Wind Waker (3.07 million)[55] # Animal Crossing (2.22 million approximate, 1.58 million in US,[58] 641,000 in Japan)[68] # Luigi's Mansion (2.19 million in US)[58] # Mario Party 4 (2 million approximately, 1.10 million in US[58] and 900,000 in Japan)[68] # Mario Party 7 (1.86 million)[69] # Resident Evil 4 (1.6 million)[52] # Metroid Prime (1.49 million in US)[58] The only non Nintendo game was Resident Evil 4.
[QUOTE="SmashBrosLegend"]Gamecube, and this is coming from the leader of a Sega union. Gamecube was just too awesome.beldugo
what does gamecube have better that dreamcast dont? fighting games? rpg? adventure? you forgetting shenmue, DOA, all street fighters, grandia.. what kind of sega union leader are you :3.. if i was in your union i leave rightnow. i'm a sega fan all the way :D .Well, the GC did developed better since the DC just made a full stop. Dreamcast just gathered the last breath that the Arcades had, which represents the kind of support it had. That's why there'll never be another console like the Saturn or Dreamcast.
[QUOTE="beldugo"][QUOTE="SmashBrosLegend"]Gamecube, and this is coming from the leader of a Sega union. Gamecube was just too awesome.Panzer_Zwei
what does gamecube have better that dreamcast dont? fighting games? rpg? adventure? you forgetting shenmue, DOA, all street fighters, grandia.. what kind of sega union leader are you :3.. if i was in your union i leave rightnow. i'm a sega fan all the way :D .Well, the GC did developed better since the DC just made a full stop. Dreamcast just gathered the last breath that the Arcades had, which represents the kind of support it had. That's why there'll never be another console like the Saturn or Dreamcast.Your the only person i like on here mostly, you like sega :)
[QUOTE="beldugo"][QUOTE="SmashBrosLegend"]Gamecube, and this is coming from the leader of a Sega union. Gamecube was just too awesome.Panzer_Zwei
what does gamecube have better that dreamcast dont? fighting games? rpg? adventure? you forgetting shenmue, DOA, all street fighters, grandia.. what kind of sega union leader are you :3.. if i was in your union i leave rightnow. i'm a sega fan all the way :D .Well, the GC did developed better since the DC just made a full stop. Dreamcast just gathered the last breath that the Arcades had, which represents the kind of support it had. That's why there'll never be another console like the Saturn or Dreamcast. but the question is which is better not which delevop better or who made more money. you said sega and i said sega so wasup? :P we are on the same page.
[QUOTE="Panzer_Zwei"][QUOTE="beldugo"][QUOTE="SmashBrosLegend"]Gamecube, and this is coming from the leader of a Sega union. Gamecube was just too awesome.beldugo
what does gamecube have better that dreamcast dont? fighting games? rpg? adventure? you forgetting shenmue, DOA, all street fighters, grandia.. what kind of sega union leader are you :3.. if i was in your union i leave rightnow. i'm a sega fan all the way :D .Well, the GC did developed better since the DC just made a full stop. Dreamcast just gathered the last breath that the Arcades had, which represents the kind of support it had. That's why there'll never be another console like the Saturn or Dreamcast. but the question is which is better not which delevop better or who made more money. you said sega and i said sega so wasup? :P we are on the same page.Which is better really depends on the type of gamer you are. I don't think you can say that the Dreamcast was without a doubt better than the GC because it stopped in 2002. And gaming in 2003/4/5/6/ was bought to you by the PS2/GC/Xbox.
The Dreamcast just didn't lived up to the Saturn because it just didn't had the time, but as it stands, the Saturn had much more than what the Dreamcast offered, that's why it was a disappointment for me.Â
[QUOTE="beldugo"][QUOTE="Panzer_Zwei"][QUOTE="beldugo"][QUOTE="SmashBrosLegend"]Gamecube, and this is coming from the leader of a Sega union. Gamecube was just too awesome.Panzer_Zwei
what does gamecube have better that dreamcast dont? fighting games? rpg? adventure? you forgetting shenmue, DOA, all street fighters, grandia.. what kind of sega union leader are you :3.. if i was in your union i leave rightnow. i'm a sega fan all the way :D .Well, the GC did developed better since the DC just made a full stop. Dreamcast just gathered the last breath that the Arcades had, which represents the kind of support it had. That's why there'll never be another console like the Saturn or Dreamcast. but the question is which is better not which delevop better or who made more money. you said sega and i said sega so wasup? :P we are on the same page.Which is better really depends on the type of gamer you are. I don't think you can say that the Dreamcast was without a doubt better than the GC because it stopped in 2002. And gaming in 2003/4/5/6/ was bought to you by the PS2/GC/Xbox. not really.. gaming for me on DC havent stop yet, i still play marvel vs capcom 2 and capcom vs snk 2. i just pop in my saturn 2 weeks ago. last time i turn on my GC was to try zelda and i only played 10mins of it so far, before that last game i beat was resident evil 4.. big big time frame without playing while i still keep playing my dreamcast. i dont agree on the type of gamer.. overall DC is better, out of all the genres i can think of adventure is the only one DC might get squish and not really actually. lets think a bit. fighting - dreamcast rpg - dreamcast action - i dont know sports - dreamcast shooter - dreamcast adventure- shenmue takes the cake whats left? wasup? only thing GC got is again zelda, metroid and mario + resident evil 4.
[QUOTE="Zerostatic0"][QUOTE="qewrewq"][QUOTE="Zerostatic0"][QUOTE="palaric8"]both are a failure but I pick dreamcastIf the Gamecube was a failure what was the PS2 and the Xbox, considering Nintendo made more money on the GameCube then Sony or Microsoft did on their consoles? WTF..did you just say Nintendo made more money with the GC than sony with the PS2?................Yeah, Sony just started turning a profit on the Playstation 2 last year. no......no.stop .really. ps2: Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas (14 million) Grand Theft Auto: Vice City (13 million) Gran Turismo 3: A-Spec (11 million) Grand Theft Auto III (11 million) Metal Gear Solid 2: Sons of Liberty (7 million) Kingdom Hearts (5.6 million shipped) Final Fantasy X (5 million) Dragon Quest VIII: Journey of the Cursed King (3.48 million in Japan only, 1 million outside of Japan, approximately 4.48 million) Devil May Cry (4 million) Metal Gear Solid 3: Snake Eater (3.7 million Final Fantasy XII (2.38 million in Japan only, 1.3 million in US only, approximately 3.68 million) Madden NFL 2004 (3.5 million in US only) Kingdom Hearts II (3.5 million shipped) Jak and Daxter: The Precursor Legacy (3.2 million) Final Fantasy X-2 (3 million) WWE SmackDown! vs. RAW 2006 (2.9 million) Madden NFL 07 (2.8 million in US only Need for Speed: Underground (2.6 million in US only) Medal of Honor: Frontline (2.5 million in US only) Spider-Man: The Movie (2.1 million in US only) Tony Hawk's Pro Skater 3 (2.1 million in US only) Onimusha: Warlords (2.02 million) WWE SmackDown! vs. RAW (2 million) Resident Evil 4 (2 million) Onimusha 2: Samurai's Destiny (1.99 million) ATV Offroad Fury (1.7 million in US only) NBA Street (1.7 million in US only) Dragon Ball Z: Budokai (1.7 million in US only) ESPN NFL 2K5 (1.7 million in US only) Crash Bandicoot: The Wrath of Cortex (1.7 million in US only) Ace Combat 04: Shattered Skies (1.7 million in US only) Devil May Cry 2 (1.7 million) Dragon Quest V (1.61 million in Japan only) Max Payne (1.6 million in US only) The Simpsons Road Rage (1.6 million in US only) NBA Live 2005 (1.6 million in US only) Onimusha 3: Demon Siege (1.52 million) Midnight Club: Street Racing (1.5 million in US only) Star Wars: Battlefront (1.5 million in US only) James Bond 007: Agent Under Fire (1.5 million in US only) The Lord of the Rings: The Two Towers (1.5 million in US only True Crime: Streets of LA (1.5 million in US only) Resident Evil Outbreak (1.45 million) Tekken Tag Tournament (1.4 million in US only) Mortal Kombat: Deadly Alliance (1.4 million in US only) SOCOM: U.S. Navy SEALs (1.4 million in US only) Resident Evil Code: Veronica X (1.4 million) Guitar Hero II (1.3 million in US only) Devil May Cry 3: Dante's Awakening (1.3 million) Enter the Matrix (1.2 million in US only) Call of Duty: Finest Hour (1.2 million in US only) NCAA Football 06 (1.2 million in US only) Dino Crisis 2 (1.19 million) Spider-Man 2 (1.12 million in US only) Ratchet & Clank (1.1 million in US only) Hitman 2: Silent Assassin (1.1 million in US only) Tom Clancy's Ghost Recon (1.1 million in US only) The Sims (1.1 million in US only) WWE SmackDown! Shut Your Mouth (1.1 million in US only) Winning Eleven 10 (1.04 million in Japan only) God of War (1 million in US only) ESPN NBA 2K5 (1 million in US only) Pac-Man World 2 (1 million in US only) MVP Baseball 2005 (1 million in US only) Lego Star Wars: The Video Game (1 million in US only) The Getaway (1 million in US only) Tiger Woods PGA Tour 2004 (1 million in US only) NCAA Football '07 (1 million in US only) Bully (1 million)[ Grand Theft Auto: Liberty City Stories (1 million in US only)
[QUOTE="Panzer_Zwei"][QUOTE="beldugo"][QUOTE="Panzer_Zwei"][QUOTE="beldugo"][QUOTE="SmashBrosLegend"]Gamecube, and this is coming from the leader of a Sega union. Gamecube was just too awesome.beldugo
what does gamecube have better that dreamcast dont? fighting games? rpg? adventure? you forgetting shenmue, DOA, all street fighters, grandia.. what kind of sega union leader are you :3.. if i was in your union i leave rightnow. i'm a sega fan all the way :D .Well, the GC did developed better since the DC just made a full stop. Dreamcast just gathered the last breath that the Arcades had, which represents the kind of support it had. That's why there'll never be another console like the Saturn or Dreamcast. but the question is which is better not which delevop better or who made more money. you said sega and i said sega so wasup? :P we are on the same page.Which is better really depends on the type of gamer you are. I don't think you can say that the Dreamcast was without a doubt better than the GC because it stopped in 2002. And gaming in 2003/4/5/6/ was bought to you by the PS2/GC/Xbox. not really.. gaming for me on DC havent stop yet, i still play marvel vs capcom 2 and capcom vs snk 2. i just pop in my saturn 2 weeks ago. last time i turn on my GC was to try zelda and i only played 10mins of it so far, before that last game i beat was resident evil 4.. big big time frame without playing while i still keep playing my dreamcast.
i dont agree on the type of gamer.. overall DC is better, out of all the genres i can think of adventure is the only one DC might get squish and not really actually. lets think a bit.
fighting - dreamcast rpg - dreamcast action - i dont know sports - dreamcast shooter - dreamcast adventure- shenmue takes the cake
whats left? wasup? only thing GC got is again zelda, metroid and mario + resident evil 4.Gaming is carried on by new games. On the Dreamcast you had nothing to look up after 2002. And not to mention a lot of DC games were ported to other consoles mainly due to lack of sales. All the good games of the Dreamcast could've been released the same day for all that matters since there wasn't going to be anything more. The DC didnt offered anything new beyond 2002, and so people just had to focus in buying existing games. that's the main flaw in judging the DC towards other contemporany systems.
The GameCube was the much better console. Despite Sega's best efforts and indeed some of the greatest games of all time gracing the console (Shenmue; Soul Calibur; Skies of Arcadia; Ikaruga), its life was cut short far too early. To me, the GameCube offered just as high quality titles, but at least had the ability to sustain gamers for a whole generation.
Plus although the Dreamcast was innovative feature-wise (online internet support; visual memory units), I think the console was too under-powered. In comparison with even the PS2, the Dreamcast wouldn't have been able to survive for the whole 2000-present generation. It was a dream in the three years it lasted, but anything beyond that would be irrelevant when measured up to other consoles.
[QUOTE="palaric8"][QUOTE="Zerostatic0"][QUOTE="qewrewq"][QUOTE="Zerostatic0"][QUOTE="palaric8"]both are a failure but I pick dreamcastIf the Gamecube was a failure what was the PS2 and the Xbox, considering Nintendo made more money on the GameCube then Sony or Microsoft did on their consoles? WTF..did you just say Nintendo made more money with the GC than sony with the PS2?................Yeah, Sony just started turning a profit on the Playstation 2 last year. no......no.stop .really. ps2: Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas (14 million) Grand Theft Auto: Vice City (13 million) Gran Turismo 3: A-Spec (11 million) Grand Theft Auto III (11 million) Metal Gear Solid 2: Sons of Liberty (7 million) Kingdom Hearts (5.6 million shipped) Final Fantasy X (5 million) Dragon Quest VIII: Journey of the Cursed King (3.48 million in Japan only, 1 million outside of Japan, approximately 4.48 million) Devil May Cry (4 million) Metal Gear Solid 3: Snake Eater (3.7 million Final Fantasy XII (2.38 million in Japan only, 1.3 million in US only, approximately 3.68 million) Madden NFL 2004 (3.5 million in US only) Kingdom Hearts II (3.5 million shipped) Jak and Daxter: The Precursor Legacy (3.2 million) Final Fantasy X-2 (3 million) WWE SmackDown! vs. RAW 2006 (2.9 million) Madden NFL 07 (2.8 million in US only Need for Speed: Underground (2.6 million in US only) Medal of Honor: Frontline (2.5 million in US only) Spider-Man: The Movie (2.1 million in US only) Tony Hawk's Pro Skater 3 (2.1 million in US only) Onimusha: Warlords (2.02 million) WWE SmackDown! vs. RAW (2 million) Resident Evil 4 (2 million) Onimusha 2: Samurai's Destiny (1.99 million) ATV Offroad Fury (1.7 million in US only) NBA Street (1.7 million in US only) Dragon Ball Z: Budokai (1.7 million in US only) ESPN NFL 2K5 (1.7 million in US only) Crash Bandicoot: The Wrath of Cortex (1.7 million in US only) Ace Combat 04: Shattered Skies (1.7 million in US only) Devil May Cry 2 (1.7 million) Dragon Quest V (1.61 million in Japan only) Max Payne (1.6 million in US only) The Simpsons Road Rage (1.6 million in US only) NBA Live 2005 (1.6 million in US only) Onimusha 3: Demon Siege (1.52 million) Midnight Club: Street Racing (1.5 million in US only) Star Wars: Battlefront (1.5 million in US only) James Bond 007: Agent Under Fire (1.5 million in US only) The Lord of the Rings: The Two Towers (1.5 million in US only True Crime: Streets of LA (1.5 million in US only) Resident Evil Outbreak (1.45 million) Tekken Tag Tournament (1.4 million in US only) Mortal Kombat: Deadly Alliance (1.4 million in US only) SOCOM: U.S. Navy SEALs (1.4 million in US only) Resident Evil Code: Veronica X (1.4 million) Guitar Hero II (1.3 million in US only) Devil May Cry 3: Dante's Awakening (1.3 million) Enter the Matrix (1.2 million in US only) Call of Duty: Finest Hour (1.2 million in US only) NCAA Football 06 (1.2 million in US only) Dino Crisis 2 (1.19 million) Spider-Man 2 (1.12 million in US only) Ratchet & Clank (1.1 million in US only) Hitman 2: Silent Assassin (1.1 million in US only) Tom Clancy's Ghost Recon (1.1 million in US only) The Sims (1.1 million in US only) WWE SmackDown! Shut Your Mouth (1.1 million in US only) Winning Eleven 10 (1.04 million in Japan only) God of War (1 million in US only) ESPN NBA 2K5 (1 million in US only) Pac-Man World 2 (1 million in US only) MVP Baseball 2005 (1 million in US only) Lego Star Wars: The Video Game (1 million in US only) The Getaway (1 million in US only) Tiger Woods PGA Tour 2004 (1 million in US only) NCAA Football '07 (1 million in US only) Bully (1 million)[ Grand Theft Auto: Liberty City Stories (1 million in US only)All you showed me is that Rockstar, EA, Capcom, and Square-Enix made tons of money. Do you even understand the concept of 3rd party titles? Sony makes some money off of licensing titles, but most of those games were not made by Sony. Why is that so hard for you to understand. While the vast majority of the best selling GameCube titles were all made by Nintendo. That means all of the profits go stra8 into Nintendo's pockets.
[QUOTE="beldugo"][QUOTE="Panzer_Zwei"][QUOTE="beldugo"][QUOTE="SmashBrosLegend"]Gamecube, and this is coming from the leader of a Sega union. Gamecube was just too awesome.Panzer_Zwei
what does gamecube have better that dreamcast dont? fighting games? rpg? adventure? you forgetting shenmue, DOA, all street fighters, grandia.. what kind of sega union leader are you :3.. if i was in your union i leave rightnow. i'm a sega fan all the way :D .Well, the GC did developed better since the DC just made a full stop. Dreamcast just gathered the last breath that the Arcades had, which represents the kind of support it had. That's why there'll never be another console like the Saturn or Dreamcast. but the question is which is better not which delevop better or who made more money. you said sega and i said sega so wasup? :P we are on the same page.Which is better really depends on the type of gamer you are. I don't think you can say that the Dreamcast was without a doubt better than the GC because it stopped in 2002. And gaming in 2003/4/5/6/ was bought to you by the PS2/GC/Xbox.
The Dreamcast just didn't lived up to the Saturn because it just didn't had the time, but as it stands, the Saturn had much more than what the Dreamcast offered, that's why it was a disappointment for me.
What are you talking about Dreamcast destroyed the Saturn. And yeah GC is better.
[QUOTE="beldugo"][QUOTE="Panzer_Zwei"][QUOTE="beldugo"][QUOTE="SmashBrosLegend"]Gamecube, and this is coming from the leader of a Sega union. Gamecube was just too awesome.Riviera_Phantom
what does gamecube have better that dreamcast dont? fighting games? rpg? adventure? you forgetting shenmue, DOA, all street fighters, grandia.. what kind of sega union leader are you :3.. if i was in your union i leave rightnow. i'm a sega fan all the way :D .Well, the GC did developed better since the DC just made a full stop. Dreamcast just gathered the last breath that the Arcades had, which represents the kind of support it had. That's why there'll never be another console like the Saturn or Dreamcast. but the question is which is better not which delevop better or who made more money. you said sega and i said sega so wasup? :P we are on the same page.Which is better really depends on the type of gamer you are. I don't think you can say that the Dreamcast was without a doubt better than the GC because it stopped in 2002. And gaming in 2003/4/5/6/ was bought to you by the PS2/GC/Xbox.
The Dreamcast just didn't lived up to the Saturn because it just didn't had the time, but as it stands, the Saturn had much more than what the Dreamcast offered, that's why it was a disappointment for me.
What are you talking about Dreamcast destroyed the Saturn.
And yeah GC is better.I don't think you know what games the Saturn had to begin with to support your statement.
The Saturn had more quality games than the Dreamcast in every area.
If only they had combined forces, could you imagine it? The dreamcast looks amazingly cool, and had wonderful games and online stuff, and the gamecube had really sweet graphics and nintendo first party games.. such a waste.
Gamecube obviously. It lasted much longer then the Dreamcast. Sure, the DC was a good console, but it didn't have what it took to survive last gen. Well, that was actually Sega's fault, but whatever.
I love the Dreamcast because it has a bunch of really creative games (Jet Grind Radio, Space Channel 5, Chu Chu Rocket, etc) and a bunch of fun SHMUPS (Ikaruga, Under Defeat, Rez, etc), but there are just way, way too many great games I loved on the GameCube for the Dreamcast to win that match up.
Gamecube obviously. It lasted much longer then the Dreamcast. Sure, the DC was a good console, but it didn't have what it took to survive last gen. Well, that was actually Sega's fault, but whatever.glitchgeeman
Honestly you can't blame SEGA for that. The world is plagued with pseudo-gamers that parasite the industry with piracy. You could say that SEGA underestimated the cunning of these vandals, but then again didn't Microsoft too with the Xbox or Sony with the PSP? You can only do so much after all.
I'm not really one to give moral sermons, but it just really beats me how can anyone say they're fans of X console with a straight face if they go and hurt it, and in the case of the Dreamcast with a mortal wound.
Seriously, how much of those 10 million systems were sold because of piracy, for people that didn't bought original software? That so many Dreamcast titles were ported to other consoles was mainly due to poor sales than because of their quality, although it surely wasn't lacking.
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